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The Jays finish their 10 game road trip tonight in Dee-troit, a 6.05 start, making up for an earlier rain out. The Jays then get 6 at home (Pirates, Halladay's) and 7 on the road (Red Sox, Cleveland's) before the All-Star Break. Let's ruminate.




The Jays are guaranteed at least a .500 record on their National League + Detroit jaunt, a decidedly reasonable proposition given the quality of the opposition. Still, it's hard not to be a little frustrated as a Jays fan, as they didn't gain any ground in the AL East and sit 7 games back. The club allowed only 23 runs in their 9 games, pitched 2 shut outs, and allowed 2 runs or fewer in five of those nine games... yet they stand 5-4 at the moment because they only scored 26 runs in those 9 games, which if my math is correct is not a lot of runs per game. It's official - the offense is slumping.

I don't want to say I told you so, so I won't, but the Jays offensive value for much of the season has been entirely tied up in Jose Bautista hitting like Babe Ruth on steroids, and to a slightly lesser extent, Adam Lind hitting like Babe Ruth the pitcher. Yunel Escobar has helped a bunch, as have J.P. Arencibia and Patterson before they fell off cliffs (Arencibia is on an 8/54 stretch, and though this is a completely baseless hypothesis, perhaps more off-days wouldn't hurt; more on Patterson in a bit.) Anyway, as I'm sure you've realized by watching, Jose Bautista is playing like a "only" a really good player at the moment, and not like the Greek God of Home Runs. In June he has managed "just" a .247/.390/.383 line, which is a pretty good slump but a ways off what we've come to (unrealistically) expect. So, it shouldn't be too surprising the Jays are struggling, given they are getting sub-.650 OPS from 4 positions (2B, 3B, CF, LF) - it was going to happen eventually. Brett Lawrie was the big plan to fix things in the interim but it now looks like he could be out until August, and Travis Snider is both injured and not entirely convincing in his rehab (more walks and fewer strikes, but a hugely high BABIP and unconvincing power), so the club is tinkering in other ways.

After the Atlanta series, in which the Jays scored 3 runs in 4 games, they decided to move Jose Bautista back to 3rd base and call up Eric Thames. As a general matter of course, I am in favour of part of this move. Thames is very likely a better hitter than McCoy (who was demoted), and now seems as good time as any to figure out whether Thames can play in the bigs, as opposed to continuing to conclusively prove that Jayson Nix can't. The club also seems to have decided to stop batting Corey Patterson 2nd, which can only be construed as a positive at this juncture. Patterson was actually one of the team's better hitters for much of the early part of the year, and on May 29th his slash line stood at .301/.333/.477. Since then, not so much - he's hitting just .191/.230./.245. He's neither that good nor that bad, but he definitely ranges more towards the later and not the former - he's got a career OPS below .700, which would be alright if you were a whizzo defensive CF, which Patterson is, uh, not. Eric Thames hit second in the first game of the Cardinals series, and Aaron Hill had the honours the next two games. I would prefer Thames to Hill there, I think, as Thames has shown greater on base skills and has a better ZIPS for the rest of the year. I don't think there are any other obvious candidates, as the Jays really have only 3.5 players that can hit at all - Escobar, Bautista, Lind and J.P. Arencibia, and Arencibia has been dropped in the lineup because of his recent woes. I can understand, if not fully support this move. If it were up to me at this juncture, I would go with something like:

Escobar SS
Thames LF
Bautista 3B
Lind 1B
Arencibia C
Encarnacion DH
Hill 2B
Rivera/Patterson RF
Davis CF

Leaving aside the specific ordering of the lineup for the moment, I have a hard time seeing how moving Bautista to 3rd dramatically changes anything for the team. If they kept Bautista in RF and brought Thames up to play LF, we would keep the revolving third base platoonish thing going, and Rivera and Patterson could split DH duties with spot outfield starts. In moving Bautista to 3B they end the platoon of suckitude, but Bautista goes from a defensive position where he is slightly below average overall, say, (great arm, mediocre other stuff) to a position he hasn't played in a game in over a year, where the numbers indicate he has been pretty bad (albeit with all kinds of sample size caveats.) Plus, Thames plays one corner outfield spot, and Rivera/Patterson another, and E5 DHs. I don't know if this is exactly how it goes down, but it seems logical, and it keeps almost all the same hitters in the lineup as would a Bautista and Thames both in the outfield configuration, though with substantially less risk of John McDonald and Jayson Nix playing 3B.

I think I would have still brought up Thames, but left Bautista in RF, (where if you have seen some of the interviews and read his comments in the spring, it seems like he much prefers to play), kept Rivera and Patterson DHing and let Encarnacion play 3B. Giving Thames at bats that will mostly come at the expense of Nix, McDonald and McCoy is I think going to be worth a bit over the course of the season, but I don't think one defensive alignment is definitely superior to the other, and in that case I would favour the status quo. The one advantage I guess is that when/if Snider comes back, he or Thames don't have to DH, they can take the two corner outfield spots, whereas if Bautista was still in right one of them would have to be DH. But given that it's seemingly well established that Bautista will go back to RF when Lawrie is healthy and rehabbed, I don't think that this is a particularly important consideration. Anyway,  much of this is picking nits. I just hope Thames plays - he didn't the last two games of the Cards series.

Pitching wise, the club is turning it on. Ricky Romero is pretty much in Ace mode at this point. He's gone at least 7 innings in nine straight starts, during which time he's allowed 0, 1, 1, 2, 5, 3, 1, 2, and 0 runs. He's also walked 23 against 53 strikeouts, while allowing 5 home runs, in 69.1 innings (although one was to Tim Hudson, sigh.) That'll do. I'm still not a Jo-Jo Reyes fan, but I think it's fair to say he's stabilized at a, if not good, then at least acceptable level of performance. Given that Zep is consigned to the bullpen and Kyle Drabek is getting lit up in AAA, I don't think there are 5 better starters than him in the organization at the moment. I don't really know what to say about Brandon Morrow at this point, other than he is outperforming his peripherals from last year, is second in the majors in K/9 IP amongst starters, and has somehow underperformed his FIP/xFIP by at least a run this year and last. Blah blah blah mental toughness blah? If Reyes is stabilized, Carlos Villanueva is Mr. Stable. In his 7 starts he's gone between 5 and 7 innings, and allowed between 2 and 4 runs (well, 6 in one). He also walks very few and strikes out enough. He's been the club's second best starter this year, at least if one is results oriented. Score another one for the GM. The 5th starter spot is currently occupied by Zach Stewart, who goes to the mound tonight against Detroit. Stewart has been pretty good and pretty bad in his two starts, so tonight could be especially interesting. It doesn't seem like his is entirely ready, but then most young pitchers aren't.

The pen also seems to have stabilized lately. In their last 27 innings the pen has allowed 5 earned runs and has a 28/5 K/BB ratio. So, that's good.

What does this all mean? Well, I don't know. If I did I would have a lot more money than I currently do. But fundamentally this is a decent ballclub with a few glaring holes. Their schedule before the All-Star game is tough but not impossible, as they play perhaps the best teams from each league, plus the surprisingly frisky Pirates and Cleveland's. If they could manage to go something like 9-5 it would make writing about the team during the All-Star break and beyond all the more interesting, but if they fall further off the pace their already slim hopes can probably be written off. I know which I'm rooting for!

Also, at this moment Roy Halladay is scheduled to pitch on Saturday, and he better, because I just booked a Canada Day Barbeque and really want to be there, dammit.

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TamRa - Monday, June 27 2011 @ 03:42 PM EDT (#237602) #
I don't really have time to give this whole thing the consideration it deserves but one point I wanted to get out there.

there are two things going on with JP (at least) and probably three. You mentioned the third - potential fatigue, and Wakamatsu has made similar comments.

But there's a couple of other things. someone mentioned, and parkes re-tweeted, on twitter that the number of - one certain pitch, I'm pretty sure it was sliders but i might be wrong - that JP has seen and apparently isn't handling well has dramatically increased in June. that is, the book is forming on him and it's past time for him to adjust to the adjustment and figure out what he needs to lay off of.

the other things is the twice-njured thumb. We as fans can't be precisely sure how much the thumb is an issue but I wish they would take advantage of it. As the break approaches, but the guy who's hardly hitting on the DL where you have the 4 days of the break available to leverage so he misses less game time. do it now, also, while Molina is still hitting reasonably well. Let the blasted thumb heal up some, let him get some rest, give them a chance to review some tapes and figure out the proper adjustment at the plate - and if all goes well you have your ROY candidate back after the break.

I'm mystified that they are seemingly not planning this.


uglyone - Monday, June 27 2011 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#237607) #
Great summary, and I agree with the overall take for the most part. Lots of stuff to talk about, but just a couple of points I want to make right now:

1) Joey has yet to leave RF, and is in RF again today (nix is playing 3B). Not sure what that means, but EE looks aight last series at the hot corner.

2) I think Litsch should not be forgotten - he looked very good before his injury this year, has looked good in rehab, and should be back soon. IMO, as unspectacular as they may be, I think the Litsch/Villy/Reyes trio has earned their way to the 3/4/5 slots in the rotation for the time being, and have been much better than the (only slightly) younger Cecil/Drabek/Stewart trio. I know many hate Litsch, and I know I've thrown plenty of stones at JoJo, but these guys have given us stable starting performance and the (only slightly) younger prospects have not even come close to that.

Villy (27): 7gs, 5.9ip/gs, 5.0k/9, 3.3k/bb, 1.16whip, 4.14era, 3.43fip, 4.01xfip
Litsch (26): 8gs, 5.8ip/gs, 7.0k/9, 2.0k/bb, 1.42whip, 4.66era, 4.44fip, 3.85xfip
Reyes (26): 15gs, 5.7ip/gs, 5.7k/9, 2.0k/bb, 1.46whip, 4.34era, 4.37fip, 4.45xfip

Stewart (24): 2gs, 5.3ip/gs, 5.1k/9, 1.5k/bb, 1.97whip, 5.91era, 5.67fip, 4.63xfip
Cecil (24): 4gs, 5.3ip/gs, 6.4k/9, 1.4k/bb, 1.67whip, 6.86era, 5.57fip, 4.67xfip
Drabek (23): 14gs, 5.2ip/gs, 5.9k/9, 0.9k/bb, 1.79whip, 5.70era, 5.43fip, 4.97xfip

I'd be going with the 3 (only slightly) older "vets" for now, and letting the 3 (only slightly) younger "kids" earn their stripes in AAA, and earn their way onto this team. I'd rather not see any of Drabek, Cecil, or Stewart again until they're dominating AAA (and I don't care if it's Vegas - if Brad Mills can dominate in Vegas, then our top prospects should be able to as well).
Kasi - Monday, June 27 2011 @ 04:27 PM EDT (#237609) #
I think we've done as well as we could hope to do, schedule and injuries considered. Farrell though continues to puzzle me. In the lineup today he has Davis in CF, Patterson at DH and Nix at third. The whole point is to get better bats in our lineup, and then he pulls crap like this?
China fan - Monday, June 27 2011 @ 04:31 PM EDT (#237610) #
Uglyone, I'm basically in agreement with your point that the Jays should stick with the veterans (Villanueva, Reyes) ahead of the youngsters (Drabek, Stewart) for now.  My only quibble might be your suggestion of Litsch ahead of Cecil for the last slot in the rotation.  It could be argued that Litsch should have a bit more rehab time in the minors to build up his strength, and it could be argued that Cecil might be more ready for a call-up soon.  Cecil's velocity seems to be back where it was.  There are excellent comments from scouts about his latest outings (according to second-hand reports, of course).  And statistically, three of his past five starts have been very impressive, including a complete-game shut-out and a complete-game one-run affair.  Of course he also had a couple of bad outings in his last five.  But I'd be inclined to give him a shot soon, unless Stewart is unexpectedly very good in his next couple of games.
Kasi - Monday, June 27 2011 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#237612) #
Ahh, apparently EE strained his back yesterday and is DtD. Still would rather have Rivera in there instead of Patterson, but if Bautista is not ready for third I guess they have to put Nix out there.
China fan - Monday, June 27 2011 @ 04:39 PM EDT (#237614) #

Patterson's OPS:  .693.

Rivera's OPS:  .694.

Literally not much to choose between those two at this stage of the season.  Patterson is faster, but more prone to base-running blunders.  Toss-up.

uglyone - Monday, June 27 2011 @ 04:47 PM EDT (#237619) #
June:

Rivera: .733ops
Patterson: .498ops

Last 7:

Rivera: .973ops
Patterson: .435ops
China fan - Monday, June 27 2011 @ 04:52 PM EDT (#237621) #
Apologies for preferring the larger sample size.  Although I suppose then you'll start tossing around the career numbers....
Lylemcr - Monday, June 27 2011 @ 04:59 PM EDT (#237623) #

I loved the batting lineup on Friday when I saw Thames batting second.  I just love the way he hacks up there.  Kind of Lloyd Moseby like.

But, I didn't see him Saturday and Sunday. 

Patterson and Rivera have no trade value and no future with the Jays.  I don't see why they are regulated to the bench and Thames is given the starting job. 

Even if they think they could win this year, they are more likely to win with Thames than the other two...

 

jester00 - Monday, June 27 2011 @ 05:07 PM EDT (#237624) #

With respect to Patterson vs Rivera, while I agree with CF on the larger sample size being the best way to evaluate you have to admit that Patterson has been slumping and Rivera has been surging recently.  I'd be more inclined myself to have Rivera and a bit of a hot bat in there again.

But then again really, we are talking about Corey Patterson and Juan Rivera.  Ugh...........

cybercavalier - Monday, June 27 2011 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#237625) #
good write-up.

For the proposed lineup, I would take:

Escobar SS
Bautista RF
Lind DH
Arencibia C
Thames LF
Encarnacion 3B
Hill 2B
Patterson CF
Rivera 1B

Mylegacy - Monday, June 27 2011 @ 05:22 PM EDT (#237626) #
Chill fellow beasties: Post All Star break, bats being presently being taken by Rivera, EE, Davis, Patterson and Nix (all righties) will be being taken by Thames, Lawrie, Snider and Loewen (three of whom are lefties). The youngsters will turn the tide - no question. I STRONGLY suspect that Snider will replace Rajai in CF - with Rajai becoming the back up outfielder.

Escobar (R ) SS
Thames (L) LF
Bautista (R ) RF
Lind (L) 1st
Lawrie (R ) 3rd
Snider (L) CF
JPA (R ) C
Loewen (L) DH
Hill (R) 2nd

Also consider this - as of today...

Hill
Frasor
Francisco
Camp
Rauch
Villanueva
Dotel
Janssen

ARE ALL TYPE B Free Agents after the season. Fancy 1 First Round pick and 8 Supplemental First Round picks in 2012 (if it's still allowed). Won't AA's team have fun playing with those cards come Draft Day!

Kelekin - Monday, June 27 2011 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#237628) #
I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself there Mylegacy.  Also, Villanueva and Janssen are not free agents, they both have one remaining year of arbitration. :P

Snider replacing Davis in Center Fielder?  I'll admit he's had a couple of fluke injuries, but he hasn't been a highly durable player in his career thus far and I rather see him in a corner.  He doesn't have the speed to play CF.
92-93 - Monday, June 27 2011 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#237630) #
Farrell's bullpen usage continues to irritate me. Why leave Rzepczynski in for Ordonez if you're going to pull him and have Camp face Peralta? And if you're going to pull Camp when a LHB comes up, why go to him in the first place, as opposed to your RP who is toughest on righties, Dotel? (Personally I'd have given Rzepczynski the 8th inning and let him get through it instead of using 3 relievers to get 3 outs like it's the ALCS.)

There's also been a disturbing lack of hustle from too many of the Blue Jays in terms of getting out of the box and down to first base, especially on DP GBs. It's one thing coming from Yunel Escobar where we have to learn to live with it, but seeing Juan Rivera tailing off down the line in the 9th inning was disappointing.

It sure would be nice to have the roster constructed in such a way that there's a decent LHB on the bench to use in PH spots late in the game.
The_Game - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 11:11 AM EDT (#237639) #

Agreed with 92-93 on the odd bullpen usage in the 8th. I actually don't know why he didn't just use Rzep in the 7th against all of those lefties and then Frasor in the 8th.

Also, judging by Bautista's comments to the media and his delay in changing positions, he's not as ready and willing to move to 3B as everyone was saying last week. I'm still not quite sure why the team is pulling him out of his better/preferred position during a 5.1 WAR season to make room for more Rivera/Patterson/Davis.

The_Game - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 11:20 AM EDT (#237640) #

Cecil's back and starting on Thursday (looks like we may have Romero vs. Halladay after all). About time. He's a major league pitcher.

Stewart's back to NH, though, after a decent showing up here. I'd hope he'll be back once they trade JoJo Reyes (as I assume AA will try to do) or move Villanueva back to the pen.

 

 

 

BlueJayWay - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#237641) #
Love Cecil coming back.  But Jays twitter says he goes Thursday, Carlos V goes on Saturday.
The_Game - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 11:43 AM EDT (#237642) #
Oh well. At least Cecil's back. You can make the argument he's the organization's 3rd best starter.
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 12:16 PM EDT (#237644) #
I am glad Cecil's back.  Slowly but surely, the roster is taking shape. 
Kelekin - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 12:27 PM EDT (#237645) #
I don't believe Stewart had a bad start, he had a lot of really poor luck on some ground balls and deflections.

I really don't like that we sent him down and kept Villanueva in the rotation.  Villanueva is a quality bullpen arm.
MatO - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 12:32 PM EDT (#237646) #
Let's see if I've got this right.  They call up Stewart even though he's been pretty mediocre in AA this year.  He then pitches about as well as I'd have expected him to and he's sent back down to AA?  In the process he's burned an option?
China fan - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#237647) #

To be slightly more optimistic about it:  the major-league experience should help in Stewart's development, and the loss of an option won't be a big issue if he transitions to full-time major-league status within the next couple years. 

I agree with the Jays that Stewart needed to be sent down when Cecil was ready.  His numbers last night were okay, but it could have been a lot worse. He was lucky to escape from the first three innings with only two runs against -- he allowed 7 hits (plus a walk) in the 2nd and 3rd innings alone.  Dustin Parkes notes that opposition hitters were making contact with 94% of their swings against Stewart in his three starts -- the highest rate on the team -- and he allowed 26 hits from the 75 batters that he faced.  He needs more time in the minors, but he could still have a bright future.

The_Game - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 12:52 PM EDT (#237648) #

Stewart really doesn't need any more time in the minors succeeding at AA. He was always going to be a contact guy as a starter, not a strikeout guy.  But he can pitch at this level right now as he showed in his three starts. 

AA remains committed to JoJo Reyes, though. I'm still not sure if that's because he believes he's a long-term rotation guy (I certainly don't) or because he wants to build up his value for a trade (hopefully).

Maldoff - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 12:56 PM EDT (#237649) #
For this roster really to take shape, one of the 8 men in the bullpen needs to go. If Farrell isn't going to use Dotel in the 8th last night, he is just taking up a roster spot. Having another bat on the bench would be very helpful for this team. I would personally advocate Snider (once he's healthy) or Cooper as options to platoon DH with Rivera.
Kasi - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#237650) #
Stewart needs to get a bit stronger. The guy is still pretty slight, and I think with some work he could have an uptick in velocity similar to how Romero has this year. His sinker will be stronger if he can add 1-2 MPH to his repratoire.
Zao - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 12:59 PM EDT (#237651) #
Wouldn't it makes more sense to have Cecil and Romero both pitch in the Philly series against a lefty-heavy lineup?
China fan - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 01:01 PM EDT (#237652) #

Although I think Stewart needs more time in the minors, I do agree that it's curious that he's being sent back to AA rather than AAA.  The Jays have some criteria for deciding which pitchers should play at AA and which at AAA but the system eludes me.   Why were Cecil and Mills and Drabek placed at AAA while Stewart is at AA?  There's a methodology at work, but darned if I know what it is.  If Stewart is on the verge of the majors, why not challenge him at AAA?  The Jays have openly said that Drabek, for example, was put at AAA (after his demotion) so that he could be properly challenged.  Same thing, presumably, with Cecil.  So if top prospects like Drabek and Cecil need to be challenged with PCL competition, why not Stewart?  Was it, in fact, perhaps detrimental to Drabek's development when he was skipped over the AAA level and sent directly to the majors?  If there's any possibility of that, why not send Stewart to Las Vegas so that he can get the toughest challenge in the minors? 

John Northey - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 01:10 PM EDT (#237654) #
I think sending Stewart back down is a good idea as he was doing a high-wire act.

14 Hits per 9 IP
2.7 Walks per 9 IP
5.4 Strikeouts per 9 IP
1.86 WHIP

That is very, very risky. His 84 ERA+ should've been a lot worse. That WHIP is very close to Dana Eveland's from last year (1.88).

If he was K'ing 8 or so per 9 IP, or walking under 2 then I'd say keep him up. But so far he hasn't shown anywhere near enough to stay on the roster. The time up has shown him that he can play here, but that he needs to work harder on stuff if he wants to stay. Often a first call-up is a wake-up call for prospects, lets hope it works out that way and Stewart goes down and dominates AA and forces a call-up.
Anders - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 01:39 PM EDT (#237656) #
Stewart made 3 starts, I think it's pretty much pointless to try to divine too much from them. For example, in yesterday's game he gave up about 5 cheap hits. Just off the top of my head, he gave up a weak single up the middle, a swinging bunt that died a foot fair of third base, a shallow pop up that fell into the Bermuda Triangle between 1st, 2nd and RF, and a (potentially) inning ending infield single that wasn't hit especially hard but deflected off him then past Hill in what could be termed bad luck. He gave up only 2 extra base hits.

I don't know that he's necessarily ready to stick, and Cecil is probably the better option of the two, but I wouldn't draw too much from Stewart's 3 starts.

smcs - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 02:05 PM EDT (#237661) #
Stewart was also saved by 2 really, really good defensive plays by Hill, the liner over Hill's head where he doubled off the runner at second, and the scoop-toss to Lind where the ump made possibly the worst call I've ever seen. If you are going to make a bad call, own that bad call and stand by it. Be defiant in the face of evidence to the contrary. I think the call-up of Stewart was partly to assuage his fears that he was never going to get a fair shot in the Jays system. There were rumors before the call-up that he was getting upset and complacent, so calling him up, throwing him to the wolves and then sending him back down will hopefully give him a clear idea of what he still needs to work on if he wants to be a major league starter long-term. I'm happy Cecil is back and I hope he throws down an F-You performance against the Pirates. In years past, I guarantee someone would have made the joke that pitching against the Pirates is easier than pitching in the Pacific Coast League, but not so much this year.
Gerry - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#237663) #

In my opinion ground ball pitchers stay in AA, fly ball pitchers can go to AAA.  Mills and Cecil are fly ball pitchers, Stewart a ground ball pitcher.

Another ground ball pitcher is Rey Gonzalez, who is now in AAA.  His performance reinforces my point, Las Vegas can kill a ground ball pitcher's numbers.

Mike Green - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 02:27 PM EDT (#237666) #
Maybe.  As far as I can tell, the PCL is murder equally on ground-ball pitchers and fly-ball pitchers.  It's really kind to pitchers who strike out tons, induce pop-ups and don't walk anybody.  These guys have a tendency to not stay long there though.

I am wondering whether there is an ace reliever development plan out there.  You would think that Stewart might be a candidate for it. 

Kasi - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#237669) #
The problem with ground balls is very specific to Vegas. The place is extremely dry and any ground balls get out of that infield very fast. It's really not that bad a home run park, since I think the stadium is fairly big. It is that the infield might as well be concrete once it hits summer.
uglyone - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 02:55 PM EDT (#237671) #
I agree with John Northey, Stewart was every bit as likely to get lit up going forward as not.

I like some of what I saw from Stewart - and I can see why scouts like him - plenty of poise to go along with his good (but not great) stuff, but it's the right move to send him down. Of course, I'd rather he get bumped to AAA rather than stay in AA, even if it is Vegas.

Hopefully Cecil is back together again, and if he is, that's a nice upgrade to our starting staff.

Mike Green - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 03:33 PM EDT (#237672) #
Kasi, the problem with Las Vegas for fly-ball pitchers is that the dimensions in Cashman Field are so large and the ball travels farther.  You don't get extra homers, but you get a lot of extra balls off the track and wall.  That is why the 51s lead the league in doubles by a country mile.

You can check out the hit locations on Gameday in one of those 16-8 games.
BalzacChieftain - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 03:47 PM EDT (#237673) #

If you check out this link, it will show the park factors in Vegas with LH/RH splits. What you're saying seems to hold some water for left-handed batters as they hit home runs less than average comapred to right handers (97 v. 116 - think OPS+) but end up mashing tons more doubles (130 v. 109).

I'm wondering if an analysis of these park factors would be a decent tool to start trying to understand just how effective our hitters are in Vegas and where their true production lies. At first glance I thought of the power that right handers such as Lawrie and Arencibia have shown there, but Thames, Cooper, and Snider haven't put too many out of the yard in relative terms.

BalzacChieftain - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 03:49 PM EDT (#237674) #
China fan - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#237677) #
Today's lineup is interesting.  Bautista has finally switched to 3rd, Encarnacion is the DH, and Nix is thankfully benched.  In the outfield, it's the dreaded Patterson-Rivera-Thames combo.  It seems to be a lineup that emphasizes offence at the expense of defence.  We'll see what happens.
China fan - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#237678) #
In his pre-game comments today, Bautista says he is happy to play 3B, but he also notes that the Jays could come up with a lineup that features the exact same 9 hitters and keep him in RF where he prefers to be.  I guess that would involve Encarnacion at 3B and Rivera or Thames at DH.  Which is a bit of a gamble, given EE's disastrous performance at 3B in several games this year.  I suppose it all depends on how much faith you have in Encarnacion to play an adequate game at 3B.  It does seem to sometimes happen -- but it's a gamble for sure.  On the other hand, putting Bautista at 3B could also be a bit of gamble.
Anders - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#237680) #
In his pre-game comments today, Bautista says he is happy to play 3B, but he also notes that the Jays could come up with a lineup that features the exact same 9 hitters and keep him in RF where he prefers to be.  I guess that would involve Encarnacion at 3B and Rivera or Thames at DH.  Which is a bit of a gamble, given EE's disastrous performance at 3B in several games this year.  I suppose it all depends on how much faith you have in Encarnacion to play an adequate game at 3B.  It does seem to sometimes happen -- but it's a gamble for sure.  On the other hand, putting Bautista at 3B could also be a bit of gamble.

I think this is first and foremost the point I was trying to make - there are going to be the exact same 9 guys in the lineup most of the time, whether Bautista is at 3rd or RF. It's not immediately clear that the defensive alignment will be any better with Bautista at 3B either. Colour me flummoxed.
Kasi - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 04:58 PM EDT (#237683) #
If their goal is to call up Snider anytime soon, than that makes sense. If they can get rid of one of their DH types by then they could have Snider in right, Thames in left, Davis/Patterson in center.

But its true right now we're not getting much net gain. We get JBau in the infield, EE at DH and Rivera in the OF instead of EE at third, Rivera at DH and Bautista in the OF. Same three batters, just different spots. The equation only changes if we add Snider to the picture.
China fan - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#237684) #

Here's the other odd news today:  Farrell says Snider will play at CF in Las Vegas when he comes back from his concussion.  Kudos to the Bauxites who had earlier suggested that the Jays might consider this -- they seem to be right in their prediction.  But it's a somewhat strange development, and I can speculate about a couple of pessimistic interpretations of what it might mean:  1) the Jays think Snider might never hit well enough to be a corner outfielder and his bat might play better at CF;   2) the Jays are regretting their decision to give a two-year contract to Davis and they don't want him as anything except a bench player next season.   Pure speculation on my part, but one or both of those theories might be true.

92-93 - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#237685) #
You're overthinking it. Snider to CF means there's currently no CF in Vegas who needs to play there and there's currently no every day answer at the MLB level, so why not see if he can handle the position? The offensive expectations are certainly diminished out there (although CF is handily outhitting LF in the AL this year - LF is the WORST offensive position.) I also wouldn't say they regret the Davis deal - he was signed as a bench player, the 4th OF to the impending OF of Snider/Wells/Bautista. The 2.5m and 2.75m he was guaranteed was the amount of money he was going to make in arbitration this year and next year anyway, and the Blue Jays picked up an option on top of that which holds value should he prove to be an effective 4th OF / backup CF. If the Jays do indeed want Davis as a bench player for next year you can't really say they regret their decision - it's only if he's deemed worthless that it was a mistake, and even then it was a worthwhile risk to take considering it's only 2.75m.
Alex Obal - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 05:22 PM EDT (#237686) #
I had assumed when the Jays initially traded for Davis they saw him as a primo fourth outfielder. They still had Wells.
Alex Obal - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 05:23 PM EDT (#237687) #
Yeah, what 92-93 said.
92-93 - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 05:29 PM EDT (#237688) #
Wilner raised some very good points about giving Adam Loewen an extended look in CF this year. The team's CF situation is a mess, so why not see what Loewen can do out there over the last few months of the season if you've established Rajai can't be your everyday guy? Giving him consistent ABs this year is the preferable option for me than to carry him as the 25th player next year because he's out of options and having him used sparingly off the bench.

Also, he repeated something I mentioned the other day - AA used the word "entrenched" when it comes to Bautista at 3B. Maybe they don't like Lawrie's defense at 3B, or maybe they were so impressed they actually think he can handle 2B now. I just hesitate to think of Bautista at 3B as a stopgap solution right now. 3B has been extraordinarily weak this year across baseball (on par with 2B, both worse than C) and the long term thinking might now include Bautista in the infield, with a wait-and-see approach to see if Lawrie does something to change that.
China fan - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 05:35 PM EDT (#237689) #

About Davis and his role:   recall that when the Jays traded Wells, they made no attempt to acquire another CF.  And clearly the possibility of trading Wells must have entered AA's head in the months before he actually was traded.  So when Davis was acquired, AA was fully aware that he might become the starting CF at some point.  He was hoping that Davis would rise to the occasion.  He didn't.

To be more provocative:  what if Snider is falling behind Thames in the LF depth chart?  Thames is only 16 months older than Snider, and his "baseball" age is arguably as young as Snider because of the time that he missed because of injury.   Thames has only 1115 plate appearances in professional ball, whereas Snider has about 2600 plate appearances as a professional.  (Of course the comparison is not completely valid because Snider began in the minors at age 18.)  Thames cannot play CF and maybe Snider can.  If Snider can handle CF, a future Jays outfield might feature Snider, Thames and Bautista.   Or am I over-thinking this again?

The_Game - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 06:34 PM EDT (#237692) #
In his pre-game comments today, Bautista says he is happy to play 3B, but he also notes that the Jays could come up with a lineup that features the exact same 9 hitters and keep him in RF where he prefers to be.  I guess that would involve Encarnacion at 3B and Rivera or Thames at DH. 

Having listened to the comments, Bautista didn't sound too happy about moving to 3B at all. That shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. He's made his preference known about RF repeatedly over the last year and he's in the middle of a 5.1 WAR season in right field.

It's still incredible to me that the Jays are asking this guy, their franchise player and the current undisputed best player in baseball, to change to his worse position mid-season in order to possibly give a .500 team an extra win or two while Lawrie is out. And if Snider is really going to play CF in Vegas and maybe Toronto the rest of this year, moving Bautista makes even less sense.
Bautista may not feel disrespected, but it's very easy to see how he could be. I really hope they re-think their decision and give Encarnacion another shot.

 


The_Game - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 06:37 PM EDT (#237693) #
Odd, I didn't mean to bold that or write in that color.
92-93 - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 06:48 PM EDT (#237694) #

and the current undisputed best player in baseball

As Jon Morosi has already explained, he isn't even currently the undisputed best hitter in baseball, let alone player.

 

Jonny German - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 07:20 PM EDT (#237696) #
About Davis and his role: recall that when the Jays traded Wells, they made no attempt to acquire another CF.

How is this a fact? For all we know they explored all kinds of angles for acquiring another CF and none of them worked out (besides other bad options in Patterson and Podsednik and Wise).

And clearly the possibility of trading Wells must have entered AA's head in the months before he actually was traded.

Maybe. But pretty much everyone else assumed Wells was completely untradeable, so maybe not.
TamRa - Tuesday, June 28 2011 @ 11:44 PM EDT (#237710) #
I really hope they re-think their decision and give Encarnacion another shot.

Because that worked out so well in the spring?

The_Game - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 12:09 AM EDT (#237712) #
As Jon Morosi has already explained, he isn't even currently the undisputed best hitter in baseball, let alone player.
I should have said undisputed best hitter in baseball within the circle of people that actually know what they're talking about. After all, there are some crazy people that believe Roy Halladay isn't the best pitcher in baseball, that doesn't mean we should take them seriously.
Because that worked out so well in the spring?
It worked out fine last year, over a much larger sample size of an entire season instead of a few weeks of games.
Anders - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 11:59 AM EDT (#237735) #
I don't think the validity/intelligence of moving Jose Bautista off his preferred position has to do with whether he's the best, 10th best or 100th best player in the bigs, it just changes the degree to which we care/get upset. Does the move help the team is the primary concern, and in this case it seems like a lateral move at best. To me it only really makes sense if they intend to make him the full time third baseman and put Lawrie somewhere else, but it doesn't seem like that's the case.

If they are going to play Snider in CF it makes even less sense, as they can go with a Thames-Snider-Bautista OF and not have to worry about making one of those guys a DH.

At this point I would rather see Encarnacion in the lineup every day than Patterson.

92-93 - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 01:24 PM EDT (#237740) #
That very well may be the plan, Anders. Wilner mentioned yesterday that AA ignored his question about Lawrie possibly moving off 3B and back to 2B, and said it's unusual for AA to not respond to a query of his. Circumstances may change, but "He will be entrenched as the guy at third base going forward for us."
Mike Green - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 01:51 PM EDT (#237743) #
It would be a dumb plan, and one suited only to an organization that was in fact not willing to spend money despite its protests to the contrary. It is true that the organization is loaded up with corner OF prospects and is short in the middle infield, but stretching Bautista and Lawrie defensively in order to address this problem, and Hill's seeming decline, rather than addressing it, if necessary, through trades/free agency acquisitions would be a sign of lack of financial support from head office.  Lawrie has just spent half a year learning a new position, and apparently doing a good job of it. 
Anders - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 02:29 PM EDT (#237748) #
I guess there isn't really too much point in speculating (although this is the internet.) With that being said, if the plan is to play Bautista at 3rd and Lawrie at 2nd that would be some kind of bad infield, Yunel's great work and Lind's suprising adequacy notwithstanding. Snider in CF also doesn't seem like a long term winner.

The clear longterm holes for this Jays team are second and centre field, I think, and there aren't internal solutions for either of those positions next year I think. The only guys that look like they might be ready are Loewen and Cooper, and I don't think either profile as move guys off their position good. CF hopefully has an answer in 2013, at which point a couple of other guys will also be knocking - d'Arnaud, Sierra, McDade, maybe Hech. It wouldn't be so hard to sign a guy like a Mike Cameron, or an Orlando Hudson to a one year contract to tide things over, as opposed to moving guys into positions they can't play.

I think we're at the point now where everyone recognizes the importance of defense, so fielding such an inadequate defensive team would be pretty disapointing.


vw_fan17 - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 02:50 PM EDT (#237749) #
I think this is first and foremost the point I was trying to make - there are going to be the exact same 9 guys in the lineup most of the time, whether Bautista is at 3rd or RF.

Here's my take on it: we currently have holes at 2nd, 3rd and CF, and sort of DH. Platooning Patterson/Davis in CF is about the best approach we can take for that. That leaves 2nd, 3rd and DH. For 2nd, we have nothing - Hill, McCoy and MacDonald seem to be approximately the same player at this point in terms of overall value (one has slightly better defense, one slightly better offense, etc). No other options readily available. Next.

3rd/DH are kind of inter-dependent, as at least one player has played both this year - EE of course.

The hole at 3rd is defined as this:
J. Nix: 151 PA, 169/245/309  - OPS 554 (Mike McCoy at 3rd base has an OPS of 411, JMac 506)
The two remaining options on the roster are EE and JBau.
EE has hit like this when playing at 3B (87 PA): 207/241/341 - OPS 583. But, his defense is probably 29 points of OPS worse than J. Nix, so it's more or less a wash.
On the other hand, EE has hit like this when playing DH (83 PA): 350/373/588 - 961 OPS. That's BETTER than Lind. Clearly, playing at 3B is just not something that's going to work for EE - his fielding is totally messing with his head. 961 OPS as a DH though - that'll play!

So, let's say we put EE at DH. This leaves only JBau as a possibility at 3B, if we want to TRY to maximize our offensive production.

Let's make an assumption that the other players don't suffer from this extreme of a position-split, and that Thames playing DH or right field will lead to him hitting about the same. Really, those 3 players are the only ones who need to shuffle: Thames from DH to RF, JBau from RF to 3B and EE from 3B to DH.

What is the result?
1) defense at 3B is presumably somewhat better than EE (can't be worse)
2) RF is a downgrade, but JBau isn't the best defensive RF either, so it's not a huge downgrade
3) How JBau will hit is unknown, but for sake of sanity, let's assume it's at most 100 OPS worse. This means 3B goes from 583 OPS (best other option) to say 900-1000. That's a gain of say 350-400 points of OPS, conservatively.
4) DH goes to 961 OPS. I'm pretty sure that's 100-200 points of OPS better than any of the other players have done. It's like finding an Adam Lind on the scrap heap to play DH for us.

So, we lose a little defensively in RF, and we add 350-400 points of OPS to 3B, AND 100-200 points of OPS to DH. The rest of the lineup stays the same. I don't know about others here, but I consider that a GOOD move. IMHO, that's going to result in MORE than 1-2 extra wins in 2 months.

As for JBau being disrespected - so (*&@#$ what? He's a big boy getting paid $13M/year to play where the team tells him to play. If he has any brains (and I'm sure he does) he'll realize that and shut up and play and not go all Manny about it. He'd be the worst kind of hypocrite if he tries to get Escobar to "play the right way" and then goes ManRam because the team asks him to help them..


John Northey - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 02:58 PM EDT (#237750) #
I'm wondering if the Jays are starting to move away from defense as a core consideration. As offense goes down perhaps weaker defense in exchange for more offense becomes more practical.

The Mets in the mid-80's had a nightmare defense (a poor 3B in Ho-Jo playing SS fairly often for example) and still won over 100 games. Trick is knowing who you have and using them right (ie: stronger IF D on days you have a gb pitcher).

I could see the Jays going down to a 7 or even 6 man bullpen in order to have the right mix-match going forward. A John McDonald for days you have a high GB pitcher going, a strong defensive CF for days you have a high flyball pitcher going, living with Bautista & Lawrie in the infield other games.

I suspect the Jays thought Davis would be better in CF, or that some of the outfielders in AAA and AA would fall apart by now. Instead we have Snider, Loewen, Thames looking promising and more on the way up in AA in Sierra and Gose. Massive logjam with few other options than Lawrie for 2B/3B.

Sometimes you just gotta work with what you got.
Anders - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 03:09 PM EDT (#237751) #
EE has hit like this when playing at 3B (87 PA): 207/241/341 - OPS 583. But, his defense is probably 29 points of OPS worse than J. Nix, so it's more or less a wash.
On the other hand, EE has hit like this when playing DH (83 PA): 350/373/588 - 961 OPS. That's BETTER than Lind. Clearly, playing at 3B is just not something that's going to work for EE - his fielding is totally messing with his head. 961 OPS as a DH though - that'll play!

Edwin has had so few at bats at 3rd and DH - about 80 PA each - as to make these numbers meaningless. You could just as easily say that he should hit 7th (.890 OPS) instead of 6th (.509 OPS).
The_Game - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 03:16 PM EDT (#237753) #
It would be a dumb plan, and one suited only to an organization that was in fact not willing to spend money despite its protests to the contrary. It is true that the organization is loaded up with corner OF prospects and is short in the middle infield, but stretching Bautista and Lawrie defensively in order to address this problem, and Hill's seeming decline, rather than addressing it, if necessary, through trades/free agency acquisitions would be a sign of lack of financial support from head office.  Lawrie has just spent half a year learning a new position, and apparently doing a good job of it.

If we've learned anything from the last decade of Rogers ownership, it's that you can't rely on them to spend much on the major league roster (only one above average payroll in 10 years of baseball, unfortunately). Still, if the Bautista move is permanent (as poor a move as that would be), I'd hope this came from AA himself and his belief that it would better the team going forward. The last thing we need is a controlling ownership that is putting significant financial restraints on the team.

EE has hit like this when playing at 3B (87 PA): 207/241/341 - OPS 583. But, his defense is probably 29 points of OPS worse than J. Nix, so it's more or less a wash.
On the other hand, EE has hit like this when playing DH (83 PA): 350/373/588 - 961 OPS. That's BETTER than Lind. Clearly, playing at 3B is just not something that's going to work for EE - his fielding is totally messing with his head. 961 OPS as a DH though - that'll play!


Or we could play Encarnacion at the position he's played and hit well at for his entire career instead of relying on insignificant and rather meaningless sample sizes, play Bautista at his preferred and better position, and get Jayson Nix, Juan Rivera, and Rajai Davis out of the lineup as frequently as possible.

As for JBau being disrespected - so (*&@#$ what? He's a big boy getting paid $13M/year to play where the team tells him to play. If he has any brains (and I'm sure he does) he'll realize that and shut up and play and not go all Manny about it. He'd be the worst kind of hypocrite if he tries to get Escobar to "play the right way" and then goes ManRam because the team asks him to help them.

So you're in favor of pissing off the best player on the team without any justifiable reason simply because they can. You might have a point if this was a pennant race and they badly needed the wins. But they don't. The Jays are two games below .500 in a division with the three best teams in baseball. They don't NEED to do anything at all. And Bautista is right, after all. They could get the same bats in the lineup with him in RF and do it with superior defense as well. Why risk disrespecting and alienating your best player for a few extra wins in a lost season?

If there is something more to this (like Bautista possibly moving there permanently), he certainly doesn't know it yet. He was talking last night like it was only going to be a one day thing until Encarnacion's back is better.
Matthew E - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 03:17 PM EDT (#237754) #
Where is Mastroianni at the moment? I expected his name to come up during the Snider-to-CF discussion.
Hodgie - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#237755) #
Looking at the list of impending free-agents got me thinking about the odds of the Indians picking up their $8.5M club option on Sizemore for the 2012 season. If he is traded the option becomes a player option which he may or may not exercise given his injury history but it would be interesting to see if he was able to regain even a semblance of his former form as a stop-gap measure. If Cleveland declines his option, I wonder what the going rate for him would be on the open market. It would be a risk but one with considerably more upside than bringing in the Camerons and Crisps of the MLB world.
smcs - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 03:50 PM EDT (#237758) #
Where is Mastroianni at the moment?

Las Vegas' disabled list. Last played on June 13 in LV, which looks like it was his first game after getting called back up from New Hampshire.
Anders - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 03:51 PM EDT (#237759) #
Where is Mastroianni at the moment? I expected his name to come up during the Snider-to-CF discussion.

I don't think the club sees him as a significant part of the future, rightly or wrongly.
Ryan Day - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#237761) #
The question of pissing off Bautista seems irrelevant, since he's always said publicly that he'll play where the team needs him to play, even though he'd prefer to stay in right. Has there even been a hint of a rumour - an unnamed clubhouse source, or someone with "connections" to the team - suggesting Bautista was unhappy with the move? Given the gossipy nature of sports reporters, I imagine we'd have heard something by now.

That said, his contract negotiations probably included at least some discussion of where he'd be playing. If the Jays said "we see you in RF, though we may need you to play 3rd every now and then", that's something the Jays need to consider when constructing their lineup. If the team starts unilaterally moving players around after they've signed a contract, they're going to have a tough time signing other players.

The_Game - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 04:09 PM EDT (#237763) #
Yes, actually. Bautista's words yesterday and his tone of voice both suggest that he doesn't want to make the move to 3B.
bpoz - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 06:22 PM EDT (#237772) #
I definitely see this line up as changing, more than likely this year in some sort of preparation for next year. I am quite sure it will get younger.

Thames needs ML ABs 250-300 this year if possible and getting as comfortable as possible in LF should help him next year. J Bautista & Snider have enough ML experience in the OF. If leadership means anything and Bautista is one of the leaders in the sense that he hustles and prepares well, then the controversy of 3B/OF should be handled delicately. OK, that is vague. But Snider can get his ABs this year & play CF adequately I hope. Lawrie must play at the ML level when ever he is ready, hopefully soon & at 3B.

AA not answering Wilner does not surprise me. I am all in favor of AA working quietly and saying nothing if he is unsure. Just like he would not pin himself down in the R Davis role. When he got A Gose, I honestly believe that was a priority target, Nix IMO was not a priority target but it cannot hurt and is a little helpful to say that he was someone we liked.
vw_fan17 - Wednesday, June 29 2011 @ 07:09 PM EDT (#237775) #
So you're in favor of pissing off the best player on the team without any justifiable reason simply because they can. You might have a point if this was a pennant race and they badly needed the wins. But they don't. The Jays are two games below .500 in a division with the three best teams in baseball. They don't NEED to do anything at all. And Bautista is right, after all. They could get the same bats in the lineup with him in RF and do it with superior defense as well. Why risk disrespecting and alienating your best player for a few extra wins in a lost season?

I don't consider it "without any justifiable reason simply because they can". You are assuming JB is feeling disrespected. Fine. I am assuming that having a huge sinkhole (even below replacement level) at 3B game-in, game-out is wearing not only on JB, BUT ON THE ENTIRE TEAM. For evidence? Look at RiRo's comments about needing players "other than JB and Lind" to produce. Clearly HE was frustrated at some of the sinkholes in our lineup. I can imagine Escobar, Lind, Morrow and others aren't far behind. IMHO, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Sure, 85 PA isn't a huge sample size - but it's not 100% irrelevant either. And there's no 2 ways about it: EE has HIT when at DH, and has NOT hit when at 3B (or 1B) - and has made a bunch of errors, etc.. And our other DHs (not named Lind) have NOT hit nearly as well. I'm not sure what you mean by "superior defense" - by all accounts EE is worse this year than last. And, sorry, JB is NOT the best defensive RF in the game today. He's average. Thames may be slightly below average, but he's not Gary Sheffield ca 2005 either.. I would suggest JB->3B, EE->DH, Thames->RF is basically a wash. Even if not 100% a wash, I can't see it being significant. In return, you gain 350-400 points of OPS at 3B, and 150-200 points of OPS at DH. How is that NOT a good trade-off???

Lind, RiRo and Escobar are all signed for multiple years in addition to JB. I wonder how they would feel if AA told them that we're not going to change and Jayson Nix is here to stay for the rest of the season? I mean, we all THINK Lawrie will set the world on fire, but he hasn't done anything in the majors YET. What if he doesn't recover from injury for the rest of the season? Wow, will it EVER hurt to have Nix there for another 75-80 games.. Nix is hitting worse than Jose Molina's LIFETIME OPS. So is EE (at 3B).

You're putting JB's feelings above those of the entire rest of the team. I propose that the feelings of the entire rest of the team, even if they are not "the best player in the league" matter more than JB's feelings. One or two star players have played upset before. See Bell, George - Opening Day, 1987 (IIRC). Entire teams pissed off at management generally don't do so well outside of the movies.. To me, this sends the message to the team that "no player is above the team" and "we are NOT going to keep sending the same guys out there if they're not doing their job". On a young (and getting younger team), you NEED this - the young guys NEED to know that if they out-perform veterans, they WILL find themselves in the lineup. Otherwise, we're back with Cito part 3, where Nix, Rivera and Davis keep playing because they're veterans, and Thames, Lawrie and Gose rot on the bench...
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