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TangoTiger - Wednesday, September 16 2015 @ 07:43 PM EDT (#311426) #
Thanks guys for the tremendous response!

There's plenty there if you want to see the results.

Mike Green - Thursday, September 17 2015 @ 09:23 AM EDT (#311445) #
Toronto fans have done an excellent job.  There is one consensus skill rating for one player that I strongly disagree with, but I don't want to say yet because I am curious if the results change over time.   Keep going, Bauxites and fill out those evaluations.
Mike Green - Thursday, September 17 2015 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#311469) #
Actually, I had a second look and I realize that there is one player (not the same one as the skill one) who we, as a group, have got wrong.
uglyone - Thursday, September 17 2015 @ 03:16 PM EDT (#311470) #
not sure i see one i strongly disagree with.

though we might have rated an ex player a bit harshly.
Mike Green - Thursday, September 17 2015 @ 03:41 PM EDT (#311471) #
A bit?  Jose Reyes has the same sprint speed as Troy Tulowitzki, and less sprint speed than Ryan Goins?  No.  Jose Reyes has the worst hands on the club?  No.  He is quite a bit below average overall at throwing the baseball? No. 

Reyes has been a below average shortstop for quite a few years, and he doesn't help a club much in that role.  That isn't the purpose of The Fans Scouting Report.  It is supposed to be independent of position. 

jerjapan - Thursday, September 17 2015 @ 04:04 PM EDT (#311472) #
Agreed, Reyes got murdered on the fan feedback.  the regulars, esp. the quality defenders, got evaluated very accurately to me, but the 'popular narrative' bad defenders were overly criticized - Reyes and Navarro, but especially Reyes.  at least Navarro makes sense to me given the over-representation of speed on the evaluations.  

and i think that calling Revere's arm worse than one standard deviation below average seems off. 

Parker - Thursday, September 17 2015 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#311473) #
I was surprised by the consensus low rating of Bautista's arm power. Don't get me wrong, I agree with it - I happen to think that the spite throw against Baltimore likely caused Bautista some permanent damage. He sure hasn't looked to me like the same old howitzer-for-an-arm Joey Bats we used to see out there since his return. FG sees his arm dropping off HUGE from 2014, while his range continues a normal downward career curve. Tango's respondents as a whole sure aren't fooled by Bautista's baserunner-killing arm rep. On the other hand, BRef dWAR numbers say he's not any worse than last year, where he was already below average but not awful. Just another data point in support of the small-sample volatility of any defensive metric, I suppose. At least JB's swing hasn't been affected by the shoulder thing; he's still killing it at the plate.

I only went through the current Blue Jays ratings, so I missed out on Jose Reyes' burning effigy. It really sounds like just an emotional response - it's one thing to crucify his (certainly below-average) fielding ability, but I don't know how anyone could objectively believe that Reyes is such a poor baserunner.

Anyhoo. Great work everyone, and special recognition is due to Tango for putting these things together every year. Thanks!
Parker - Thursday, September 17 2015 @ 04:25 PM EDT (#311474) #
Just to clarify: in reference to Jose Reyes' fielding ability, I did mean that he's below average as a shortstop, not below average compared to the league at large. You'd think this would be easier for me considering how much of my life I've spent playing OOTPB.
uglyone - Thursday, September 17 2015 @ 04:32 PM EDT (#311475) #
yeah, i gave Reyes top marks for sprint speed and arm power, and nothing less than average, so i do agree with you mike.

even if he's a poor SS he's still an above average to good fielder overall.

jer - it's hard to give Navarro great marks in any of the categories other than the first one. but in general the speed categories for catchers are tough to mark and likely have negligible impact anyways.
Nigel - Thursday, September 17 2015 @ 05:00 PM EDT (#311479) #
Conceptually I found the ratings of Pillar's arm related skills surprising. I agree that his arm strength is probably around average but the other two skills seems significantly above average to me. Otherwise I agree, the current regular's skills seem pretty well reflected in the results.
jerjapan - Thursday, September 17 2015 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#311481) #
I'd like to see framing and pitch selection on any evaluation of a catcher - speed just doesn't matter much, and yet it's 2 of the 7 categories evaluated by the TT survey.  and frankly, IMO, hands and reaction are undervalued relative to arm.
Chuck - Thursday, September 17 2015 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#311482) #
In the bottom half of the evaluations, it appears that pretty much all players have rankings falling into all buckets, ranging from great to poor. I'll guess that people are just goofing (Colabello great, Donaldson poor) and not expressing honest appraisals. These types of anonymous surveys invite this kind of thing.
TangoTiger - Thursday, September 17 2015 @ 08:07 PM EDT (#311491) #
Thanks for the great discussion.  A couple of comments:

1. The "goofy" votes.  I haven't cleaned up any ballots (yet).  However, note that in the top half, Donaldson has 34 ballots submitted.  In the bottom half he has 236 "votes".  34 x 7 = 238.  This means that virtually all the 34 voters put in complete selections for Donaldson.  Of those 236 votes, one person gave him a "1" for one of the 7 traits.  I don't know that that's "goofy", considering that he had 13 "2" as well.

2. In the position pages, the weights of the 7 traits are different for each position.  For the catcher, hands and arms are given more weight than legs.

Chuck - Friday, September 18 2015 @ 10:18 AM EDT (#311504) #
I don't know that that's "goofy", considering that he had 13 "2" as well.

My fault. I entirely misunderstood what the bottom half was conveying. I saw the "1 to 5" categories and figured they were tallies of voters assigning those composite scores. I didn't pay attention to the number of votes or cotton on to the fact that these categories were tallies of the component questions.

Makes much more sense now. Thanks for the clarification.

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