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I can't remember a year when we've talked so much about the fourth outfielder. For the life of me I don't see that there's a whole lot of difference between Raimel Tapia and Ezequiel Carrera, who didn't seem to inspire nearly as much excitement. So I thought I'd wander through the years and see what we've had here all along.


It can often be somewhat difficult to decide should be designated the "fourth outfielder." I don't think it's necessarily the man who plays the fourth most games in the outfield. Often it is, and often it's a simple enough matter. But sometimes a regular gets injured, and the fourth man gets into more games. Sometimes a regular is traded halfway through the season (or acquired halfway through) and doesn't get into as many games as the guy who backs up all three positions. As best as I can figure, here's who has had this particular job over the years. Many of these players had other roles on the team, besides this one, so I would always draw your attention to the second column, which is the number of games actually started in the outfield.

Year  OF starts  Name             G   PA  AB    R   H   2B 3B  HR  RBI SB  CS  BB   SO  BAVG   OBP   SLG   OPS OPS+
                                                                               
1977    61    Bob Bailor    122  523  496  62  154  21  5   5  32  15   6  17   26  .310  .335  .403  .738  101
1978    58    Otto Velez    91  300  248  29   66  14  2   9  38   1   3  45   41  .266  .380  .448  .828  132
1979    64    Otto Velez    99  325  274  45   79  21  0  15  48   0   1  46   45  .288  .396  .529  .925  148
1980    80    Bob Bailor    116  388  347  44   82  14  2   1  16  12   8  36   33  .236  .311  .297  .608   65
1981    37    George Bell    60  168  163  19   38   2  1   5  12   3   2   5   27  .233  .256  .350  .606   69
1982    55    Hosken Powell    112  280  265  43   73  13  4   3  26   4   4  12   23  .275  .304  .389  .692   82
1983    94    Barry Bonnell    121  417  377  49  120  21  3  10  54  10   7  33   52  .318  .369  .469  .838  124
1984    76    Jesse Barfield    110  360  320  51   91  14  1  14  49   8   2  35   81  .284  .357  .466  .822  123
1985    16    Lou Thornton    56   75   72  18   17   1  1   1  8   1   0   2   24  .236  .267  .319  .586   58
1986    24    Rick Leach    110  266  246  35   76  14  1   5  39   0   0  13   24  .309  .335  .435  .770  106

1987    29    Rick Leach    98  224  195  26   55  13  1   3  25   0   1  25   25  .282  .371  .405  .776  105
1988    41    Sil Campusano    73  158  142  14   31  10  2   2  12   0   0   9   33  .218  .282  .359  .641   79
1989    54    Mookie Wilson    54  247  238  32   71   9  1   2  17  12   1   3   37  .298  .311  .370  .681   96
1990    55    Glenallen Hill    84  278  260  47   60  11  3  12  32   8   3  18   62  .231  .281  .435  .715   93
1991    39    Mookie Wilson    86  258  241  26   58  12  4   2  28  11   3   8   35  .241  .277  .349  .626   70
1992    39    Derek Bell    61  184  161  23   39   6  3   2  15   7   2  15   34  .242  .324  .354  .678   88
1993    40    Turner Ward    72  198  167  20   32   4  2   4  28   3   3  23   26  .192  .287  .311  .599   61
1994    24    Darnell Coles    48  156  143  15   30   6  1   4  15   0   0  10   25  .210  .263  .350  .612   57
1995    40    Candy Maldonado    61  190  160  22   43  13  0   7  25   1   1  25   45  .269  .368  .481  .850  121
1996    69    Jacob Brumfield    90  340  308  52   79  19  2  12  52  12   3  24   58  .256  .316  .448  .764   92

1997    81    Shawn Green    135  471  429  57  123  22  4  16  53  14   3  36   99  .287  .340  .469  .809  110
1998    73    Jose Canseco    151  658  583  98  138  26  0  46 107  29  17  65  159  .237  .318  .518  .836  114
1999    44    Jacob Brumfield    62  195  170  25   40   8  3   2  19   1   2  19   39  .235  .307  .353  .660   69
2000    38    Marty Cordova    62  221  200  23   49   7  0   4  18   3   2  18   35  .245  .317  .340  .657   65
2001    23    Vernon Wells    30  103   96  14   30   8  0   1   6   5   0   5   15  .313  .350  .427  .777  102
2002    28    Dewayne Wise    42  116  112  14   20   4  1   3  13   5   0   4   15  .179  .207  .313  .519   34
2003    94    Reed Johnson    114  457  412  79  121  21  2  10  52   5   3  20   67  .294  .353  .427  .780  102
2004    34    Frank Catalanotto  75  274  249  27   73  19  1   1  26   1   0  17   33  .293  .344  .390  .734   88
2005    90    Reed Johnson    142  439  398  55  107  21  6   8  58   5   6  22   82  .269  .332  .412  .744   96
2006   103    Reed Johnson    134  517  461  86  147  34  2  12  49   8   2  33   81  .319  .390  .479  .869  124

2007    62    Reed Johnson    79  307  275  31   65  13  2   2  14   4   2  16   56  .236  .305  .320  .625   66
2008    53    Brad Wilkerson    85  241  208  20   45   8  2   4  23   2   3  25   53  .216  .297  .332  .629   69
2009    70    Jose Bautista    113  404  336  54   79  13  3  13  40   4   0  56   85  .235  .349  .408  .757   99
2010   104    Fred Lewis    110  480  428  70  112  31  5   8  36  17   6  38  104  .262  .332  .414  .745  101
2011    74    Corey Patterson    89  341  317  44   80  16  3   6  33  13   8  15   65  .252  .287  .379  .665   78
2012    49    Anthony Gose    56  189  166  25   37   7  3   1  11  15   3  17   59  .223  .303  .319  .622   71
2013    75    Rajai Davis    108  360  331  49   86  16  2   6  24  45   6  21   67  .260  .312  .375  .687   88
2014    74    Anthony Gose    94  274  239  31   54   8  1   2  13  15   5  25   74  .226  .311  .293  .604   73
2015    44    Ezequiel Carrera   91  192  172  27   47   8  0   3  26   2   1  11   45  .273  .321  .372  .693   88
2016 68 Ezequiel Carrera 110 310 270 47 67 9 1 6 23 7 4 27 70 .248 .323 .356 .679 83

2017 71 Ezequiel Carrera 131 325 287 38 81 10 1 8 20 10 1 30 75 .282 .356 .408 .764 104
2018 60 Curtis Granderson 104 349 302 48 74 21 1 11 35 2 1 42 96 .245 .342 .430 .772 112
2019 62 Billy McKinney 84 276 251 37 54 14 1 12 28 0 2 19 73 .215 .274 .422 .696 83
2020 11 Derek Fisher 16 39 31 5 7 2 1 1 7 0 1 7 11 .226 .359 .452 .811 122
2021 121 Randal Grichuk 149 545 511 59 123 25 1 22 81 0 3 27 114 .241 .281 .423 .703 87
2022 87 Raimel Tapia 106 355 336 36 88 17 1 6 42 6 1 13 65 .262 .289 .372 .661 87

1977 - Bailor had been a shortstop in the minors, but he had some arm issues when he arrived in Toronto, and didn't do well when they put him there. Gary Woods began and ended the season as the regular centre fielder, but Bailor played there a lot in between.

1983 - Collins, Moseby, Barfield were the regulars - Bonnell filled in at all three spots and had by far the best year of his career.

1984 - George Bell seized an everyday corner spot and Collins had the best year of his career.

1985 - The next three years would basically see Bell, Barfield, and Moseby play until they dropped. Or broke down. Extra outfielders? Bah!

1989 - Mookie Wilson was something unique in Blue Jays annals - a fourtb outfielder who played every day, after he came over from the Mets. Bell, Moseby, Felix were clearly the regulars, but Moseby was breaking down by this time, and Bell didn't seem to mind DHing so much. Wilson split his time at the three outfield spots.

1992 - Derek Bell was supposed to be the regular but he got hurt right away and Candy Maldonado filled in. But Maldonado was bad and Bell went back into the lineup when he was healthy. But Bell was even worse than Maldonado. So the Candy man got another chance, and ran with it.

1993 - Darrin Jackson was a regular, but they traded him away. Rickey Henderson was a regular, but he was only there for the last two months. They both played more games than Turner Ward, Darnell Coles, and Willie Canate who respectively were fifth, sixth, and seventh in outfield games played.

1994 - Carlos Delgado was a regular for about six weeks. Mike Huff got most of the games in LF after that.

1997 - They sort of began the year with Green, Nixon, and Merced in the outfield with Robert Perez and Jacob Brumfield playing some against LH. As usual, Green didn't start hitting until June. The team even brought in the artist formerly known as Ruben Sierra in the meantime. A thoroughly washed-up Joe Carter went back to the outfield for a while (he'd been playing first base and DHing). They traded for Jose Cruz, who took over in LF. They finally got rid of Otis Nixon and turned CF over to Shannon Stewart. Then Merced suffered a season-ending injury, and Green took over in RF.

1998 - Carlos Delgado had shoulder surgery that January and was expected to miss the first two months of the season. So the Jays signed Jose Canseco to DH in his absence, with Mike Stanley (already signed to be the DH) moving to first base. But Delgado being Delgado, he was back and ready to go before April was over. Which meant Caneco had to galumph around in the outfield for the next couple of months - oh, he was awful out there - until they unloaded Stanley at the deadline. The nearest thing to regulars were Stewart, Cruz, and Green, although Stewart had a brief stretch on the DL and Cruz was optioned to Syracuse twice.

2000 - Raul Mondesi suffered a season-ending injury in July. Cordova filled in for a couple of weeks until the team got Dave Martinez to take over full-time in RF.

2002 - Mondesi was the regular in RF with Stewart playing more often as a DH - until they unloaded the Brown Buffalo on the Yankees.

2003 - Johnson came up in late May when Stewart went on the DL for a month, and played well enough to stick around. Catalanotto was often in and out of the lineup, usually because of those pesky LH pitchers.

2004 - Catalanotto was one of the regulars to start the season, but he made two trips to the DL in the first half and Alex Rios came up and grabbed one of the corner outfield jobs in his absence. He spent most of the second half as a DH.

2006 - Johnson played an awful lot for a "fourth" outfielder. He was the RH half of a platoon arrangement with Catalanotto in LF, and the primary backup to Wells in CF and Rios in RF.

2008 - They kept trying guys in LF that year - Stewart, Matt Stairs, Adam Lind, Kevin Mench, Wilkerson. Gaston took over and gave the job to Lind, who finally ran with it.

2009 - Snider, Wells, Rios were the regulars to begin with but Snider was sent down in May after struggling a bit at the plate and Bautista and Lind (normally the DH) filled in. They would dump Rios in August, and Snider would return to take over in LF. Meanwhile, Bautista would seize the RF job with a vengeance that September.

2010 - Another hard one to figure. Snider began the year as the regular LF, and moved to RF when Bautista was shifted to 3b, with Fred Lewis taking over in LF. But Snider hurt his wrist and Bautista moved back into RF. Snider came back at the end of July, having missed six weeks, and got most of the LF time from that point forward. He didn't get into as many games as Lewis, but it seems to me that Lewis was much more a fourth guy filling in than Snider was.

2015 - As you doubtless remember, after Michael Saunders knee injury and Dalton Pompey's underwhelming performance, the 2015 team spent months screwing around with career infielders Colabello and Valencia trying to figure out how to play the outfield. They couldn't bring themselves to give the job to Carrera and for all intents and purposes they didn't have a regular LF until Revere came aboard at the beginning of August.

2018 - Teoscar Hernandez began the year in Buffalo, but he was with the big club two weeks in and has been an everyday player ever since. This made Granderson a fourth outfielder, and DL stints for Grichuk and Pillar helped ensure he got to play quite a bit.

2021 - Grichuk played more games in the outfield, mostly in CF, than regulars often do - nevertheless he was supposed to be the fourth outfielder! It's just that Springer missed half the season entirely and did a fair bit of DHing when he was finally available.

And the best of the bunch? Why, Otto Velez, of course. Who never should have been a fourth outfielder anyway, but Roy Hartsfield never did seem to lnow what he had.
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Mike Green - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 09:33 AM EDT (#421975) #
Tapia has had more starts for a 4th outfielder than every one on the chart, save for Bonnell, Reed Johnson, Fred Lewis and Randal Grichuk.  All of them had considerably better years than Tapia 2022, taking into account defence although Grichuk 2021 also had too many PAs given his performance level. 

I had forgotten the details of the 1984 Blue Jay outfield.  Moseby was a fixture in centerfield and had a great year.  Bell played both corners- 91 games in right, 63 games in left.  Dave Collins got the rest of the starts in left-field.  Jesse Barfield got starts in right and 6 starts in center.  Dave Collins had the year of his career- .306 with 15 triples (career high by 9) and 60 stolen bases.  Barfield was already a great player- hitting .284/.357/.466 and covering a lot of ground in right with a fabulous arm.  And if you're wondering, the Raimel Tapia of 1984 was Alfredo Griffin and he made Tapia look like an amateur in giving away wins.  
Mike Green - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 09:37 AM EDT (#421976) #
And thank you, Magpie, for the research. 
Magpie - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 09:50 AM EDT (#421977) #
the Raimel Tapia of 1984 was Alfredo Griffin

The year Alfredo hit .241/.248/.298 and drew 4 BB in 140 games? That's dialing the Scorn up to 11, methinks!

I think my favourite was Reed Johnson in 2006. Sparky had three years when he got 90 plus starts as the fourth outfielder, but the last one was the best.
Mike Green - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 09:59 AM EDT (#421979) #
Wait, Alfredo Griffin was an All-Star in 1984 according to BBRef.  How is this possible?  He was a -1.5 WAR player that year, providing poor defence (but uncharacteristically good baserunning) alongside very poor offence.  He was a little better in the first half, hitting .241/.250/.317, but man oh man, how far wrong can a manager go in selecting an All-Star. I mean, Lloyd Moseby wasn't an All-Star in 1984.  After a great year in 1983, he hit .296/.387/.534 in the first half of 1984. 
Magpie - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 09:59 AM EDT (#421980) #
Mookie's 1989, the month that made him a legend, was one wild ride. He started 54 of 55 games - 14 in lf, 21 in cf, 19 in rf. He did nothing at all for the first ten games - (6-40, .150/.150/.250). Then he had the hot streak of his career for 29 games: .398/.414/.500, 9 SB, scored 25 runs. The team went 21-8, and he got all the credit. And then he stopped hitting (.200/.211/.200), for the rest of his career more or less.
Magpie - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 10:02 AM EDT (#421981) #
Griffin originally went to the 1984 All-Star game as Damaso Garcia's guest. Then Alan Trammell got hurt on the Sunday before the game, and Alfredo was on the scene and willing. Really, that's what happened.
Chuck - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 10:16 AM EDT (#421982) #
On this team, with Springer needing both time at DH and time on the IL, and the corner outfielders needing their share of down time, "fourth outfielder" is close to a full-time job. The trouble is, on this roster it requires someone who can competently play CF. And such players tend to be starters, not bench players, and are thus not easily available. So you end up with the variety of replacement level options we have enjoyed.

With 69 starts in CF thus far and 33 games to go, Springer seems on path to best his season-high of 79 CF starts (yes, Marisnick is behind this low number; Marisnick would platoon with a LH RF and force Springer to RF). This is Springer at 32. Will his age 33 season look similar? Or will an outfield configuration see him in RF with CF being given to somebody new? Finding semi-useful bench players to play the OF corners is a much easier task than the slotting of square pegs into round holes that we have been witness to. Of course, saying we need a new CF is far easier than actually being able to get one. 2023 may well see another season of Springer and the misfit toys... and our ensuing scorn.

92-93 - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#421983) #
I remember hearing a long Moseby interview with Wilner during a rain delay. He remarked along the lines of the team being upset in the spring of '85 that their All-Star SS was being replaced by Fernandez, but then they saw Tony play and opinions changed quickly. Fernandez had 256 PA in '84 though so there was a bit of romanticism in the story.

"Brown Buffalo" is quite the nickname.
Chuck - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 10:27 AM EDT (#421984) #
I should add that back in the day, a 4th outfielder was often a RH platoon-mate in an OF corner who could play passable CF. Filling in for injuries would see such players get playing time against RHP, and this would serve as an audition, of sorts, for potential future full time usage.

With no LH starting outfielders, the Jays don't need to carry a platoon guy like this. If the Jays did have a LH corner OF, Merrifield might be the guy given the opportunity, wisely or not, to take on the aforementioned role, serving as a platoon-mate and CF backup.

Magpie - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 10:32 AM EDT (#421985) #
"Brown Buffalo" is quite the nickname.

Well, Raul was quite the character!

Alfredo Griffin always commanded enormous levels of respect and admiration from his teammates, and it was probably more for the person than the player. Even when he was young - and he was just 26 in 1984 - he was uncommonly intelligent, mature, level-headed.
Magpie - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 10:42 AM EDT (#421987) #
The 2015 team, of fabled memory, didn't have a huge problem with the fourth outfielder because they were having a devil of a time trying to find a third outfielder. They began the year with Pompey, Pillar, and Bautista. Pompey was found wanting but that was OK - Michael Saunders was back from his knee injury. Except he wasn't. And for three whole months, Gibbons was stuck (because he couldn't bring himself to make a regular of Carrera) with playing infielders in the outfield. Guys who had literally never played the position in their lives were supposed to learn how in the major leagues. Ben Revere was a blessed relief.
ISLAND BOY - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#421991) #
Man, it's not that long ago but I don't remember Corey Patterson in 2011 at all. He must have been forgettable. My favorite on this list is Reed Johnson by a mile.

The one thing I remember about Jose Canseco when he was with the Blue Jays was him desperately trying to steal a base in the last few games of the season so he could reach the 40 home run ( He had 46)- 30 steal mark. He got caught stealing every time and finished with 29. Of course, the fly ball he missed catching that bounced off his head over the fence for a home run is my top baseball play of all time.
Mike Green - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 11:32 AM EDT (#421992) #
I had forgotten the 2015 club won only 93 games. 

The backup OF situation at the beginning of 2015 is a sore point with me.  Pompey was given basically zero chance.  He played good defence (Carrera was execrable). Batting from the right, he got 27 PAs against left-handed pitchers, and killed them (.320/.370/.640).  He got 81 PAs from the left-side against RHP, and hit 6 doubles, 2 homers, walked 5 times and struck out 20.  This isn't great, but not terrible, and if it weren't for a .231 BABIP, he would have posted a perfectly serviceable slash line from the left side too.  But Gibbons wouldn't give him an opportunity- one of the many reasons that I am not a fan (unlike most here).
Leaside Cowboy - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 11:51 AM EDT (#421994) #
Mookie Wilson was a guest in the radio booth with Jerry Howarth and Alan Ashby.
Jerry revealed a secret to Mookie, that it was Alan who scuffed the baseballs for Mike Scott in the 1986 NLCS.

Matt Stairs (age 39) played 57 games in the outfield in 2007.

Edwin Encarnación made 5 appearances in left field between 2012 and 2014.

Fred Lewis was my favourite player!

Magpie - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 11:57 AM EDT (#421995) #
I don't remember Corey Patterson in 2011 at all.

I have this vague memory of us generally complaining about him, but I'd have to go back and look....
92-93 - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 01:10 PM EDT (#421997) #
I vividly remember Corey Patterson pulled a pitch at his head for a HR that season.
Magpie - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 01:13 PM EDT (#421998) #
I have this vague memory of us generally complaining about [Patterson], but I'd have to go back and look....

So I did. It didn't take too long for the Discontent to reveal itself. About halfway through April, it was becoming disturbingly clear that he was a really lousy baserunner for someone with such excellent speed. By the end of the month, it had been noticed that he played the outfield like a guy who was afraid of walls. Of his bat... well nothing was expected. Nothing was delivered.
Magpie - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 01:16 PM EDT (#421999) #
Patterson played more than most fourth outfielders as well - he started 74 games as a Jay, and then they traded him to St.Louis after Game 103.
Magpie - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 01:18 PM EDT (#422000) #
I vividly remember Corey Patterson pulled a pitch at his head for a HR that season.

A three run shot against Texas, in a scoreless game! Bautista followed with another on the next pitch and after a walk to Lind, Juan Rivera hit yet another homer. Six runs in a hurry!
uglyone - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 01:42 PM EDT (#422002) #
in 2015 we complained endlessly about Carrera, as we should have.

But at least the team knew he was an issue.

Saunders was supposed to be the LF. Pompey was also injured, and even Colabello and Valencia were both tried out in LF. And then finally they traded for Revere in a desperate attempt at an upgrade.

By the end of the year Careera had only received 192pa, 13th on the team - and barely ahead of Tulo & Valencia & Pompey all who only spent a couple months on the team.

And Carerra was actually a positive WAR player that year, not a negative like Tapia.


In 2016 he played a bit more, as Cola's absence created a hole to get Bautista and Saunders more DH time, but even then t he Jays felt the need to trade for Upton at the deadline. And again that year Carerra was a positive WAR player, not a negative.
92-93 - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 01:49 PM EDT (#422004) #
I wish I could see video of that but can't seem to find it on the internet. It was an absurd HR.

From Mark Zwolinski at the Star: "Ironically, Patterson’s homer came on what manager John Farrell thought was a set-up pitch — an eye-high fastball — but Patterson read it immediately and got a great swing on it. “That pitch is probably one in 100,” Patterson said of his second homer of the season. “But I saw the pitch well. If I swing and miss, then someone says get that pitch down. But when you see it, you’d be surprised what your body can do.”
Magpie - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#422005) #
Carerra was actually a positive WAR player that year

He was no such thing! BB-ref has him at -1.0 for the season, thanks mostly to his defensive work, although his OPS+ of 88 didn't do him any favours. And now I hate myself for stooping to use WAR as any kind of useful season measuring stick. Look what you made me do!

But as I recall, we complained much more about the grisly spectacle of Valencia and Colabello trying to figure out how to play the outfield - when, you know, they weren't outfielders! - than we did about Carrera.
Mike Green - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#422007) #
I seem to remember somebody, it could have been you (Magpie), saying that Carrera seemed to be having special difficulty at night in LF in the RC because of the lights. 
uglyone - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#422008) #
well, fangraphs had him with a positive WAR every year of his career other than his 21pa 2013 season, and +1.0war over his 825pa jays career.


and me I defended the Cola in LF thing - the kind of thing that showed that gibby was actually an outside the box modern manager despite his laid back good ole boy stylings.
Magpie - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 02:41 PM EDT (#422009) #
I don't remember ever even thinking about Carrera's defense, but I have seen many corner outfielders, leftfielders especially, have trouble with the lights at the RC. He could well have been another.
Nigel - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 03:00 PM EDT (#422011) #
I know I, for one, used to complain loudly about Carrera's defence. It was very similar to Gurriel's and Hernandez's (circa 2019) in that he was prone to terrible routes and massive gaffes. Maybe it was the lights maybe it was just how he played defence. I yearn for the Carrera days though when I watch Tapia.
Magpie - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 03:14 PM EDT (#422013) #
Let's see... power through the Game Threads with a search for "Carrera" and see what I find. Concern about his defense started right away - he didn't seem to be as good as people expected. But he wasn't Colabello or Valencia either, which made him almost popular, for a moment. Don't see any reference to trouble with the lights, but balls seemed to hit his glove and pop out with alarming frequency. He hit rather well for his first two months, so some slack was awarded. I don't seem to have even noticed he was on the team until early July, but I appear to have been troubled ("Carrera continues to screw up this game...") By the end of July, pretty well everyone had seen enough of him and he was optioned to AAA at that point anyway.
Magpie - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 03:21 PM EDT (#422014) #
I yearn for the Carrera days though when I watch Tapia.

I actually think Tapia is reasonably competent out there, in LF anyway, but watching him in the outfield is not a stress-free experience. He always looks like he's never done this before, and anything could happen. He generally finds his way to the proper spot and catches the ball, but I'm holding my breath every single time.
Nigel - Monday, September 12 2022 @ 03:43 PM EDT (#422015) #
You're right, Tapia isn't terrible in LF - maybe even close to average. With Carrera, at least you knew that he was a stop gap solution that the front office was just flinging at the wall in the search for any solution. In Tapia's case, management appears to believe he's a solution - that's a problem.
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