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The Mariners come to town, on Apple TV. I forgot to cancel, so I guess I can watch.

The Mariners recent transactions got my attention. No, not that they've signed Zach Pop to a minor league deal. (Good luck with that.) But rather, one week ago they optioned RH starter Luis Castillo to Tacoma.

Yes, they did. I was shocked, surprised, and sought more information. I soon discovered that there are two RH starters from the Dominican named Luis Castillo, and the Mariners employed both of them. (This is like the Mets with their brace of Bobby Jones pitchers a couple of decades ago, except I think one of them was LH and the other wasn't.). Anyway, Luis Felipe Castillo made his debut with the Tigers a cvouple of years ago, was signed to a minor league deal by Seattle in January, and started a couple of games as the Mariners were looking for someone to fill in while they wait for George Kirby to make it back. Luis Miguel Castillo is the ace they prised away from Cincinnati three years ago. Except he hasn't been pitching very much like an ace since coming to the west coast. He gave the Mariners a very good season in 2023, but last year he was merely a solid, league average arm. And he's been a little below that level so far this year. The strikeouts are down, the hits and homers are up. He's been serviceable, but I think they expected a little more. Still, I'm sure he's still quite capable of firing six shutout innings with 10 Ks and it would be nice if he didn't do that tomorrow.

The Seattle approach in recent years has been to pair elite starting pitching with a more or less average offense. Interesting. I wonder if anyone else is trying that? The Mariners don't seem to be making a lot of progress - their Win totals over the last four seasons are 90, 90, 88, 85. But when you have strong starting pitching, at least you're always going to be competitive. Even with L.M. Castillo being rather ordinary a year ago, no AL team surrendered fewer opposition runs than the Mariners. They haven't been quite as sharp so far this season, but that's mostly because the Kirby replacements (L.F. Castillo and Emerson Hancock) haven't been good enough. The return of Kirby, which should happen within the next couple of weeks, should solve that problem. Logan Gilbert, Bryce Miller, Bryan Woo are young and talented - and if L.M. Castillo and George Kirby turn out to be your fourth and fifth starters, you're probably in pretty good shape.

While the Seattle offense has improved somewhat,  it really isn't all that much better than it was a year ago. They've gone from slightly below average to slightly above average. Their best hitter so far has been utility guy Dylan Moore. Julio Rodriguez hasn't yet turned into the superstar everyone expected him to be - his best season is still his rookie year back in 2022 - and he also seems to lose a little bit more power every year, which is not the way it's supposed to work.

Hang on - the development of young players doesn't happen in a neat, straight, linear fashion? Who knew?

Incidentally, Rodriguez and LF Randy Arozarena have played every inning so far this season. Victor Robles was doing the same thing in RF until he hurt his shoulder making a spectacular, game-saving diving catch against the Giants. Alas, it only saved the game for a minute, as the very next Giants batter came up with the game-winning hit, but Robles will still miss most of the next three months and is lucky he doesn't need surgery. The lesson, kids, never to be forgotten - There's Another Game Tomorrow.

There will be some old acquaintances coming to town. Does anyone have fond memories of Trent Thornton. Yeah, that's what I thought. But Rowdy Tellez has been taking a pretty regular turn at first base, and we may need to say hello while we can as he'll be bringing a .111/.154/.222 line to town. He's got a chance to be the next Daniel Vogelbach at this rate.

And then there's Cal Raleigh, who turns out to be another one of those guys who specializes in hitting Blue Jays. You know, like Ryan Mountcastle used to be (and possibly still is.)  Raleigh has hit .277/.324/.706 in his 18 career games against Toronto, which isn't all that impressive except for the Slugging. But bear in mind - this guy is a lousy hitter. His career numbers are .218/.297/.450, and Raleigh's also homered 9 times in those 18 games against the Jays. The only team he's hit more HRs against is Oakland, who a) stink, b) he's played against in 47 games. But it's April, and weird things are afoot. Raleigh so far in 2025 has hit more homers than Aaron Judge and Shohei Ohtani.. He's hit more homers than everyone in the world except... Tyler Soderstrom?

Oh, I have lived long enough to enter a world where nothing makes sense.

I shall entertain myself then, and the fact that tonight's starting pitcher is named "Woo" delights me. I know I want to have fun with this. Just haven't figured out how. Perhaps that's wrong of me, but people have been mis-spelling and mis-pronouncing my name all my life. I nurse these grudges, I plot my revenge, I strike back when I can, in my way... Bryan Woo? Collateral damage.

Matchups!

Fri 18 Apr - Woo (2-0, 2.84) vs Francis (1-2, 3.71)
Sat 19 Apr - Castillo (1-2, 4.22) vs Berrios (1-1, 5.16)
Sun 20 Apr - Gilbert (1-1, 2.38) vs Lucas (2-1, 4.70)


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greenfrog - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 01:18 PM EDT (#459032) #
A bit off-topic but O’s SP Rodriguez is having an MRI on his shoulder after he experienced some soreness following a bullpen session. Baltimore’s rotation has been hit hard by injuries this year. I think the Blue Jays might be the better overall team at the moment.

As for the M’s, yeah, I mentioned those exact stats of Raleigh’s yesterday in the Atlanta thread. I’m curious to see how he does against Francis, who has been very good as a SP but has a tendency to give up home runs.
92-93 - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 03:03 PM EDT (#459035) #
If only the Jays had a couple more “lousy” hitters like Raleigh. I’d love to hear your adjective for Giménez.
Magpie - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 03:31 PM EDT (#459036) #
OK, "lousy" is probably an adjective too far!
Glevin - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 03:58 PM EDT (#459037) #
Not sure why Roden is still hitting 9th. I mean Barger is up from the minors and is hitting 6th.
Marc Hulet - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 04:13 PM EDT (#459038) #
They need Gimenez out of the 4th spot already. Similar to my thoughts at the start of the year, he should be no higher than 7th. Having him 9th makes a lot of sense so that when he does get on base, he can use his speed to get into scoring position for Bo and Vladdy while also potentially opening up some holes with the hit-and-run.
greenfrog - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#459039) #
Schneider said Scherzer had another cortisone shot in his thumb. They’re trying to pinpoint with cortisone the precise spot that is still causing him issues. The hope is that he’ll then be able to resume pitching.
uglyone - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 04:28 PM EDT (#459040) #
no rush to push roden up the lineup for me tbh. let him get nice and comfy first.
greenfrog - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#459041) #
The status quo is working fairly well for the Blue Jays. I agree with UO about Roden. Maybe move him up later in the season if he’s performing at a high level. The lineup is not ideal but it can get the job done, especially once Varsho returns and if Wagner can make some adjustments at the plate.

I’m sure the front office (like other front offices) will be hunting for a big bat at the trade deadline.
Kelekin - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#459043) #
The Orioles are currently in position to waste generational offense development with their pitching. Who do they think they are, an old school Jays team?

Anyway, three weeks in, let's check in on how some former Jays are faring:

Justin Turner (CHC): -0.2 bWAR, .444 OPS
Isiah Kiner-Falefa (PIT): 0.2 bWAR, .651 OPS
Danny Jansen (TBR): 0.2 bWAR, .493 OPS. Good defense and a bit better after an abysmal start.
Cavan Biggio (KCR): -0.1 bWAR, .530 OPS
Brian Serven (DET AAA): Was injured, now at AAA
Yusei Kikuchi (LAA): 4.13 ERA, 4.58 FIP in 4 starts, 24 IP 10 BB 22 K
Genesis Cabrera (NYM AAA): 9.00 ERA in 5 IP
Trevor Richards (CHC AAA): 9.64 ERA in 4.2 IP
Nate Pearson (CHC): 10.38 ERA, 7.61 FIP in 8.2 IP (7 BB to 5 K!)
Ryan Yarbrough (NYY): 5.91 ERA, 5.62 FIP in 10.2 IP
Tim Mayza (PIT): 3.52 ERA, 3.65 FIP in 7.2 IP
Jordan Romano (PHI): 9.00 ERA, 5.00 FIP in 7 IP
Brandon Eisert (CHW): 5.87 ERA, 3.65 FIP in 7.2 IP (14.1 K/9)

Not missing much in the early going. Mayza is looking better, Eisert has settled in quite nicely in recent games with the White Sox. Romano has also settled in after some shaky early starts (maybe getting the rust off).
greenfrog - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#459045) #
I know the dominant narrative over the last year or more has been that the Blue Jays front office isn’t all that good. But could it be that they’re improving (albeit with a helping hand from a spendy owner)?
Nigel - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 06:24 PM EDT (#459047) #
Almost every GM in every pro sport looks a lot better with a crapload more money to spend:)
greenfrog - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 06:39 PM EDT (#459048) #
It’s true, this off-season big dollars allowed the front office to add Yimi, Hoffman, Gimenez, Sandlin, Scherzer, Straw, and some IFA pool money, while giving up Horwitz and that’s it. It also allowed them to extend Vladdy with a monster contract. They were also able to acquire some new coaches and a new amateur scouting director, etc.

A middle-of-the-pack spending team would have had to make a very different set of moves.

Still, if the moves work out and the team makes and advances in the postseason, the front office will deserve some credit. And not all of the moves made have been spendthrift ones.
greenfrog - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 06:42 PM EDT (#459049) #
They also added Santander, of course.
Nigel - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 07:00 PM EDT (#459050) #
I didn’t say that critically and Shapiro deserves credit for playing a role in convincing Rogers to spend more money (how much? Who knows). But nothing (and nothing even comes close to it) in baseball more highly correlates to winning than payroll.
greenfrog - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 07:42 PM EDT (#459052) #
Good start for the offence against a tough pitcher, but still unable to get that big extra-base hit with multiple runners on.
Glevin - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 08:16 PM EDT (#459053) #
Barger with 3 OF assists already. Crazy.
Eephus - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 08:17 PM EDT (#459054) #
Racking up the Baserunner Kills!
greenfrog - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 08:17 PM EDT (#459055) #
Barger is having a great game defensively so far. He’s gunned down two runners (Raleigh and Tellez) and was a factor in Arozarena getting cut down on the basepaths as well.
Nigel - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 08:18 PM EDT (#459056) #
There are very very few times when I compare a RF’s arm to Barfield but that was one hell of a throw by Barger to get Tellez.
greenfrog - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 08:22 PM EDT (#459057) #
Francis has given up some hard-hit balls plus a walk and a hit batter. But his defense has really helped bail him out. Some of the hard-hit balls have been hit right at fielders as well.
Nigel - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 08:31 PM EDT (#459058) #
Gimenez as the cleanup hitter has to change. It was funny to start the season but the joke’s gone stale. As Marc says, he’s probably best suited to hitting 9th where his excellent base running could be useful. I don’t think the current arrangement is doing him any favours.
greenfrog - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 08:36 PM EDT (#459060) #
Barger has had some good swings at the plate tonight. A deep flyout and some loud foul balls. He just hasn’t been able to fully connect on a Woo pitch. It would be great if he put it all together and had a breakout season.
Magpie - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 08:39 PM EDT (#459061) #
Gimenez as the cleanup hitter has to change.

I see the logic in having him bat in front of Kirk, but Kirk isn't hitting fifth anymore.

Somehow, I don't expect it to change until the team loses a few in a row, and it's because they're not scoring enough runs.
Nigel - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 08:49 PM EDT (#459064) #
I think that’s right and there are few good obvious lineup options. Roden leading off and Bo hitting cleanup makes some sense but may ruffle too many feathers. Gimenez may be the worst hitting regular though so getting him fewer rather than more should be the goal.
greenfrog - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#459065) #
Very iffy performance by Fluharty, showing poor control and falling behind the M’s batters, but he luckily retired two of the three hitters he faced. And Seattle burned a few bench players trying to counter him, so that’s a positive.
John Northey - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#459066) #
And the Jays win again. 1/2 a game behind the Yankees pending the end of that game (Yanks up 1-0 in the 9th).
Glevin - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#459067) #
Another good win. This team is just finding a way to win most nights and it's pretty damn fun to watch.
John Northey - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 09:35 PM EDT (#459068) #
Gotta love Francis - 4 starts, 3.13 ERA this year after a killer finish to 2024. 23 IP 16 H 5 HR (ouch) 8 BB 20 SO. Outside of the HR he is doing extremely well. Can't ask for more from the #4 starter.
greenfrog - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 09:38 PM EDT (#459069) #
You can see his confidence on the mound. He’s figured out who he is as a pitcher. He has a plan, he has a consistent approach, and his repertoire is working for him.
John Northey - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#459070) #
Francis makes me think of a RH Jimmy Key in some respects - knows how to pitch, not flashy just does the job. The near no-no's is very Stieb though. Luckily he has none of Stieb's personality issues (staring down his own fielders, complaining about the pen, umpires, whatever).
John Northey - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#459071) #
Dang, fun to see Barger's 3 assists from RF. Wonder if that is the team record. I suspect Barfield had to have done that at some point (he had 20+ assists a year it seemed despite everyone knowing not to run on him).
scottt - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#459072) #
Gimenez is cold right now, but shouldn't really be hitting clean up. Except he still leads the team in homeruns. And following Santander with a left bat makes a ton of sense. Maybe Varsho will be the next clean up hitter.
uglyone - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#459073) #
I truly believe ownership stepping up this offseason in a real way has filtered straight down to the team on the field. This is just a better brand of baseball than we've played in long while.
Magpie - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#459074) #
Wonder if that is the team record. I suspect Barfield had to have done that at some point

I don't know if it's the record, but Barfield never did it. He had two BaseRunner Kills in a game six times (five times as a Jay, once as a Yankee.)
Magpie - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#459075) #
I think it's also possible that Giménez moving out of the four spot will coincide with Springer moving back to the top of the order.
greenfrog - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#459078) #
Per Keegan:

“Barger’s three outfield assists make him the first to pull off the hat trick since Mark Canha on July 23, 2023, and the first Blue Jays player to do so in nearly 46 years, stretching all the way back to Rick Bosetti on May 28, 1979.”
greenfrog - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 10:13 PM EDT (#459079) #
I like the team, but they need another big bat in the middle of the order, as many of us intuited late in the off-season. Third base seems the most logical spot for an upgrade if an elite player becomes available.
Magpie - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 10:18 PM EDT (#459080) #
ESPN's game story includes the tidbit that Barger's throw to third to get Tellez was clocked at 98.8, which beats anything thrown by tonight's pitchers. Not bad!
uglyone - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 10:29 PM EDT (#459081) #
Of course upgrades anywhere are good but i'm not convinced there's any specific urgent need for another big bat at the moment. The team has been average offensively even with the big guns not really firing yet and the majority of guys hitting under projections still.
John Northey - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#459082) #
Thanks for checking that Magpie. Guess it shouldn't be a surprise as most runners are smart enough to learn not to run on a guy after 2. George Bell had 2 on Sept 29th (LF), on July 9th '85 (LF), and August 23 '81 (RF). Lloyd Moseby 7-13-83 in CF. Shawn Green 7-21-96 in RF, 8-11-97 in RF. Raul Mondesi 5-24-01 in RF. Devon White 7-10-93 in CF. Jose Bautista did it 6-1-12 (RF), 7-8-15 (RF) & 9-22-15 (RF), 4-3-17 (RF). Joe Carter never did 2 in a game from the OF, same for Kevin Pillar, Vernon Wells, Alex Rios, & George Springer. Those were the guys who came to mind first for me to check.

After all that checking I find MLB was wondering the same thing. They found the last Jay to do 3 in a game was Rick Bosetti May 28th 1979. Just 12 MLB players have had 4 in a game, last in 1931 (Wally Berger for the Boston Braves which has changed cities twice since then to really emphasize how long it has been). His 3rd throw was 98.8 MPH to get Tellez at 3B. The first was the slowest at 93.6. Wow. Barger could easily be a pitcher if he wanted to be I suspect.
uglyone - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#459083) #
One thing that we still might underrate last year was the entire back end of the bullpen completely imploding right from the start of the year. It was a killer blow that was kinda impossible to recover from.

I don't know how good our pen actually is this year but just the fact they haven't completely imploded like they had already at this point last year has made a huge difference so far.
SK in NJ - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#459084) #
There is a different feel to this team. The offense hasn't clicked yet, but I don't get the sense that the hitters are going against their strengths. Hopefully it leads to more power as the season progresses.
99BlueJaysWay - Friday, April 18 2025 @ 10:44 PM EDT (#459085) #
For the first time in a long time, the team has swagger. You love to see it.
uglyone - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 12:06 AM EDT (#459087) #

Asked about the 12-8 Blue Jays, Bowden Francis said this group feels connected & energized early in 2025. "The boys are juiced," he said.

— Ben Nicholson-Smith (@bnicholsonsmith) April 19, 2025
uglyone - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 12:09 AM EDT (#459088) #

Bowden Francis:

“The boys are juiced. We’re super connected. From the coaching staff and everyone down, it’s a different feel.” #BlueJays

— Keegan Matheson (@KeeganMatheson) April 19, 2025
92-93 - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 12:13 AM EDT (#459089) #
Juiced is fine, just don’t get caught!

Eugenio Suarez on Arizona is a 3B with power to watch. If the DBacks fall out of the playoff race, they may want to give top prospect Jordan Lawler a look at the hot corner.

It will probably be easier for the Jays to find a LF/DH, though.
greenfrog - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 01:23 AM EDT (#459090) #
I was kind of thinking that if the Blue Jays make the postseason, they might want to go with a strong defensive OF (maybe Roden / Varsho / Springer) with Santander at DH. Adding another LF/DH bat could lead to a defensive downgrade for the team. Anyway, the picture will become clearer in a few months. I always find it interesting to think about possible trade targets. Suarez is an interesting name although his bat is non-elite (in my opinion) and he’s getting older and strikes out a lot.

Maybe Wagner will heat up, making Wagner/Clement a decent third base combo in the end.
scottt - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 02:57 AM EDT (#459091) #
Barger has talked about pitching if hitting doesn't pan out.
scottt - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 07:37 AM EDT (#459092) #
Right now, the Blue Jays bWAR leader is Straw with 0.9. Springer has 0.8, Gimenez 0.7 and Bichette 0.6.
Gimenez and Kirk are close in OPS--I pointed that out before, they have very similar numbers over the years--but Kirk is at -0.3 WAR.Heineman is at 0.6 WAR.
Santander is at -0.1 with an 89 OPS+. It's still very early.
Guerrero is at 0.3, same as Roden.
Clement is at 0.2 and Wagner at 0.0.

Bichette leads with 93 PA. Vlad and Santander both have 87. Gimenez has 84. Then it's a sharp drop to Kirk, Roden, Springer at 60, since none of these guys have played the full 20 games.

Petey Baseball - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 09:00 AM EDT (#459093) #
I agree about the brand of baseball being tangibly better. Offensively, it just looks like each guy at the plate isn't worried about anything other than trying to get on base or getting a base hit....in any situation. It's been articulated a little better in other forums, but for me, that's the high order bit. Guys just aren't inexplicably missing hittable fastballs and fouling off or taking hanging breaking pitches like they have in recent years.

Pitching wise, I agree with greenfrog and ugly that the impact of having reliable arms in the bullpen (and a couple of dominant ones at the back) has increased the starters confidence. The gameplan seems to be, lets just focus on throwing a crap ton of strikes, get through five or six innings and call it a day. There's only been two games out of twenty (Opening Day, and Lucas' last start vs Atlanta) where that approach has gotten the starter shelled. I'll take those odds.

Chris Antonetti sure did his buddy Ross a solid by calling him first about jettisoning Andres Giminez, and then doubled down by adding a reliable reliever in Sandlin. The fact that all it cost them was Spencer Horwitz continues to boggle the mind. It sure has made a difference this year, as Giminez has come as advertised defensively and provided more than enough offense so far. It just cannot be stated enough in baseball how much up the middle defense matters, whether it's range or arm strength or confidence in the pitcher to throw strikes, or something as unquantifiable has a quick and accurate slap tag to nab a runner (which Giminez has done four or five times already this year).

I think the three wins in Boston during the last road trip convinced me that whatever adjustments and conversations took place in the off-season worked.
Petey Baseball - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 09:11 AM EDT (#459094) #
I also forgot to mention managing. While I still think Schneider's bullpen management is suspect, it's a lot easier to manage one when you're building backwards from Hoffman and Garcia. I do like how he seems to have really emphasized platoon splits from both a lineup and a bullpen POV. The confidence he's shown in Little and Fluharty is paying off, and they do have two legitimate left handed options in the 'pen. I always bang on about John Gibbons' outstanding bullpen management, but it just seemed year after year he'd find out how to get a good season out of a Jesse Carlson or a Neil Wagner or Delabar or Vinnie Chulk (I could go on).
Petey Baseball - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 09:13 AM EDT (#459095) #
He'd show confidence early and often in a guy, and seemed to know how and when to use them, and when to know when to pull 'em. I thought Schneider's use of Fluharty and Green last night in the seventh was an example of this.
dalimon5 - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 09:23 AM EDT (#459096) #
General thoughts "if I may," (expression I'm stealing from the debate):

Apple TV rocked last night. I thoroughly disliked every broadcast I saw in the past but last night they had a lot of really good coverage about the players, nice up close camera angles of the players right up to the pitch as they settled into the batters box, angles from the mound as Francis was warming up, etc. They have dialed back the numbers on the screen relating to analytics. They still talk too much about stats in general and the commentary isn't very good but the broadcast and "on field" reporters as well as the "home studio" team are really good. I was impressed and didn't even realize they did an hour pregame before the game started. I learned more from the analyst (former MLB player) in the pregame about what makes Vladdy's swing so elite than I ever knew before.

Second, John Schneider is not an ideal manager...going to be hard to convince me on this. He's average. No Francona or John Madden (I subscribe to the story that Madden went "bad" when he was forced to use analytics as he has said).

Third, completely agree this team is very exciting to watch. A few big shifts I have noticed to make this team as exciting to watch as 2021. A. great defence combined with baserunning. I feel I am seeing more base stealing, advances and generally good base running this year instead of strikeouts the previous 3 years. B. the bottom half of the line up is miles better than what we have had before. I think Santander and Gimenez have really shored up the middle of the line up for balance and guys like Roden and Wagner have improved the bottom order plate approach.

Fourth, there is no way this team advances far into the playoffs without a big bat added. I hope that Cleveland is out of the playoffs and they trade Ramirez to the Jays. He's on the wrong side of 30 and his contract goes up past 20 million next year. Of course he's exactly the player the Jays need to be elite and fills a perfect need at 3B. I'd trade pretty much anyone on the farm for him and you have to think the Guardians would jump at the chance to take a package centered around Nimmala or Tiedeman since they are so cash strapped.

greenfrog - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 09:49 AM EDT (#459097) #
Ramirez could be a good trade target if the Guardians fall off the pace and want to shed salary and retool. But I don’t think the Blue Jays should give up Nimmala (the potential future star of the team) for him. Ramirez is almost 33 and is likely entering his decline/injury years. The Blue Jays could still put together a package of young and interesting prospects for him without Nimmala.

Also, does Ramirez have a formal or informal/handshake no-trade clause? Seems like he was always content to be a Guardian for life.
SK in NJ - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 12:41 PM EDT (#459102) #
Ramirez took a massive discount to stay in Cleveland and has a full NTC. I doubt he's going anywhere even if the Guardians wanted to dump his salary. If you wanted to target a player with a NTC that would help the Jays and is on a team more likely to be out of it in July, then Arenado is probably the more realistic target. Whether he would waive his NTC to go to Toronto is questionable. I guess it would depend on where the Jays are in the standings in July, and how he feels about Toronto/Canada. Certainly an extended Vlad might help in attracting players (Arenado or otherwise).

Adding a 3B at the deadline should be a priority. Tough position to find a realistic target that would be worth acquiring though.
92-93 - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 01:44 PM EDT (#459104) #
The Jays are now 22nd in runs/game. I understand not wanting to shake up a lineup that's been winning, but Schneider always talks about who he wants up with the game on the line as his reason to go Bichette-Guerrero-Santander. Well, he should want Springer up ahead of Gimenez now.

Hopefully Gimenez mashes today so the team can stay away from Garcia and Hoffman pitching for the 3rd time in 4 days. The games @ Houston coming up will be a grind.
dalimon5 - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 01:45 PM EDT (#459105) #
Arenado doesn't do it for me. Need power and very strong contact. LHH is ideal. J-Ram or Tucker or pass. If the Guardians are out of it, don't want Ramirez and he still decides to stay there then it's says everything you need to know about him.
vw_fan17 - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 02:58 PM EDT (#459106) #
dalimon5 - did you mean Joe Maddon? Or were you reaching cross-sport for John Madden?
Gerry - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 03:20 PM EDT (#459107) #
Varsho is DH'ing today for Dunedin.
greenfrog - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 03:58 PM EDT (#459109) #
Gimenez as the cleanup hitter has to change

Maybe not quite yet...? He's 2/2 with a double so far today.
uglyone - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 04:06 PM EDT (#459110) #
before today's games:

* Bases Empty: 113wrc+ (#8)
* Runners On: 100wrc+ (#17)
* Runners ISP: 92wrc+ (#19)
greenfrog - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#459111) #
At least the Blue Jays are making Gilbert work (83 pitches through 4IP, compared to 56 for Berrios).
greenfrog - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 04:36 PM EDT (#459112) #
Here's one of those situations. Pitch to Raleigh, or walk him and pitch to the next batter?
knuckeler - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 04:39 PM EDT (#459113) #
Hind sight is always 20/20 but I know I wouldn't have pitched to Raleigh who has been hot lately with first base open. I really question Schneider's thinking there.
greenfrog - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 04:41 PM EDT (#459114) #
Schneider has repeatedly done this over the last couple of years. He has his pitcher pitch to Ohtani, Raleigh, Judge, Mountcastle, Rutchmann. He's been burned so often. That was a situation (runners on second and third, two out, RHB on deck) where a walk could have worked well. Raleigh hits the Blue Jays extremely well and he's also hot at the moment.
uglyone - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 04:51 PM EDT (#459115) #
attaboy Kirk. huge hit for all sorts of reasons.
knuckeler - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 05:00 PM EDT (#459116) #
Isn't that fielder's obstruction of the base runner, Tellez standing on top of first base didn't give Roden anywhere to run. To me that is clear.
greenfrog - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 05:01 PM EDT (#459117) #
6-pitch scoreless sixth inning for Berrios. Sweet.
uglyone - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 05:05 PM EDT (#459118) #
avg w/RISP going UP
greenfrog - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 05:17 PM EDT (#459119) #
Lot of bullpen stress in Blue Jays games this year because of the modest offense. It would be nice to have some five- or six-run leads so that the high-leverage guys can get a rest.
Gerry - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#459120) #
knuckler, one of the rules of baseball is that infield priority goes to the fielder trying to make a play. That's why the base runners usually try and go around the fielder.
knuckeler - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 05:26 PM EDT (#459122) #
greenfrog I thought in the off season one of the priorities should have been acquiring more HR bats. Sure Santander helps but it's been clear to me the big HR hitting teams are way more successful. The last 3 winner's of the world series were all in the top 5. I think we need another big HR bat, or more team HR's over all.
knuckeler - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 05:43 PM EDT (#459123) #
Yes I understand that but Rowdy completely blocked,(and obviously he is a big man), first base so in effect Roden had no where to go. For instance, when a runner is heading home the catcher MUST leave a lane open for the runner before he receives the throw. I look at this as being the same thing
greenfrog - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 05:59 PM EDT (#459124) #
Let’s *go*. Win the game now. Don’t wait around for extras.
greenfrog - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 06:11 PM EDT (#459125) #
Whoa big out by Y-Rod. Now get two more outs.
greenfrog - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 06:15 PM EDT (#459126) #
Piece of cake.
Nigel - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 06:16 PM EDT (#459127) #
No complaints about the entertainment value of the games so far this year:)
uglyone - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 06:29 PM EDT (#459129) #
that's some solid gutsyy stuff from Yariel.

please win this game now already.
uglyone - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 06:35 PM EDT (#459130) #
ach that first pitch homerun cut by Bo there is so damn frustrating. so unnecessary and self-defeating.
greenfrog - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 06:44 PM EDT (#459131) #
Play with fire long enough, you’re gonna get burned.
uglyone - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 06:52 PM EDT (#459132) #
I am no longer entertained.
greenfrog - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 06:57 PM EDT (#459133) #
The Blue Jays had multiple great chances to win this game before this inning. Disappointing.

Maybe this is a bit unfair, but I wish John Schneider were a bit better at finding creative ways to capitalize on those opportunities with less than two outs. So many ways to score in those situations.
James W - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 07:04 PM EDT (#459134) #
Jacob Barnes and Davis Schneider make me feel the same way. Sad.
Glevin - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#459135) #
Blame falls squarely on offense. Barnes is terrible but he's the last guy in your pen. Last guy is going to be terrible. Jays went 3/19 with runners in scoring position and left 14 men on base.
greenfrog - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 07:15 PM EDT (#459137) #
The Blue Jays didn’t even need a hit. They just had to advance the runner (on second with no one out) or put the ball in play other than via a popup (with a runner on third and less than two outs).

There were also opportunities for a squeeze play if Schneider wanted to try something different.
JohnL - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 08:01 PM EDT (#459139) #
“and the first Blue Jays player to do so in nearly 46 years, stretching all the way back to Rick Bosetti on May 28, 1979.”

Considering there are now more MLB teams than in Bosetti’s day, Barger could make a run at, and beat Bosetti’s unique outfield “mark”, of urinating in every MLB outfield. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Bosetti)

SK in NJ - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 08:53 PM EDT (#459141) #
Through 21 games:

2024: 12-9, 83 runs scored, 18 home runs
2025: 12-9, 83 runs scored, 12 home runs
Michael - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#459142) #
The Jays are 29/30 in hitting HR and T3rd in giving up the most HR.

Despite those extremes, they are 7th best in fewest R/ER allowed, and 20th in runs scored.

Last year it was the HR allowed by the bullpen that was the historically horrible part. If they can close that -16 HR gap, so about 3/4 of a HR a game, then they can really do well (if you keep everything else the same).
greenfrog - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#459143) #
That fact is actually a bit encouraging, in that they've been able to produce the same number of runs with significantly fewer home runs.

But the lineup is pretty clearly one big bat short. That is why I was arguing for one last big spend on Alonso or possibly Bregman late in the off-season.

wRC+ so far this year:

Alonso 231
Bregman 147
Wagner 74
Clement 43
dalimon5 - Saturday, April 19 2025 @ 11:10 PM EDT (#459145) #
Yet the rumours at the time when many were pining for Alonso was that he took less than Toronto offered to sign with the Mets.
Kelekin - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 02:00 AM EDT (#459148) #
I wonder if we're about to see a Barnes DFA and Tate recall. Figured Tate would be up sometime this month.
scottt - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 05:56 AM EDT (#459149) #
Can't compare Alonso with Clement and Wagner.
If he'd agreed to DH, Alonso would have pushed Santander to the the field and Roden would be in Buffalo.

To make me feel better, the Yankees closer blew a 4 run lead.
scottt - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 05:57 AM EDT (#459150) #
Swanson might be 2 weeks away.
John Northey - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 11:13 AM EDT (#459151) #
Paxton Schultz up - got him in a deal way back in the 2020-2021 off-season for Derek Fisher (4 games left in his ML career). He is a 27 year old RH reliever. Been around a k an inning throughout his career but stalled out for 3 years in AAA. Just over 2 ip per game this year. So he might be what's needed at the back of the pen.
Kelekin - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 11:59 AM EDT (#459152) #
Well, guess I called the Tate move (not that it wasn't obvious).
Marc Hulet - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 12:04 PM EDT (#459153) #
Schultz is a high floor, low ceiling reliever capable of throwing 2-3 innings. Has 3 milb options and could he a handy up/down reliever if he sticks on the 40-man roster.
Shoeless Joe - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 12:49 PM EDT (#459157) #
Schultz apparently started to throw a splitter this year.
uglyone - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 12:59 PM EDT (#459158) #
"But the lineup is pretty clearly one big bat short. That is why I was arguing for one last big spend on Alonso or possibly Bregman late in the off-season.

wRC+ so far this year:

Alonso 231
Bregman 147
Wagner 74
Clement 43

I think you may have buried the lede here:

Santander 84


knuckeler - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 01:45 PM EDT (#459159) #
Boy am I getting sick of seeing opponents pound HR after HR and nothing from the BJ's

This can not be a winning formula

How can the BJ's have a good pitching staff, so far this year great, and all teams pound HR after HR against them while our guys can do nothing.

I think it's unsustainable and shocking.
lexomatic - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 01:46 PM EDT (#459160) #
Does Lucas have terrible command? Whats with all the oitches down the middle in the 1st. Or does anyone have insight if Heinneman calls games that way.
That seems unwise, and 2 Hr & 1 2b in like 6 pitches backs that up.
lexomatic - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#459161) #
I like the 5 K for 5 outs, but not 7 hits and 2 walks over the same amount of time. Seems like there was some ok pitching mixed in between a bunch of hittability. So was this a command issue, a game calling issue? 2 really bad starts in a row now for Lucas. Would be nice if the team could figure out whats gone wrong.
dalimon5 - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#459162) #
I now believe many fans will be happy only when the Blue Jays win and win in a certain way. They have to win and do so by hitting home runs.
Glevin - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 02:59 PM EDT (#459163) #
Very hard to score runs or win games when you can't hit HR's.
Shoeless Joe - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#459164) #
The Lucas show should be over now, just start stretching out Yariel.
scottt - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#459165) #
Lucas has a decent fastball. His breaking balls are not good. The change plays down when he throws the fastball up.For some reason, he was mixing things in the first inning instead of just establishing the fastball like his opponent did.
Nigel - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#459166) #
Personally I thoroughly enjoy long sequence, grinding offence. But also know that the team’s HR differential (if it continues) is a disaster.
James W - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#459168) #
Like Gilbert yesterday, they are impressively making one of the Castillos work.
Eephus - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 03:53 PM EDT (#459169) #
But Rowdy Tellez has been taking a pretty regular turn at first base, and we may need to say hello while we can

Can we say goodbye now already?
Eephus - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 03:54 PM EDT (#459170) #
Always liked Tellez a lot, but sheesh.
knuckeler - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 04:13 PM EDT (#459171) #
How can Tellez, a guy Milwaukee, didn't even want to sign,
with Pittsburgh last year hit a total of 13 Hr's in 421 AB's
That's one in 32 AB's in this series he has hit 3 HR's in 13 AB's?

At the same time most of the Seattle at bats are lousy having trouble just trying to make decent contact, where as Toronto's have been very good with a lot of hard hit line shots, but, no HR's.

I have never been this dumbfounded following the BJ's for almost 50 years.

This is incredible, but no one wants to talk about it.

What I know is, if this continues the BJ's are going to have the greatest HR differential in Major League history, but still have a good pitching staff and hitting ball club with decent thumpers.

This is crazy!!
greenfrog - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 04:32 PM EDT (#459172) #
With today's matchup, yesterday was the pivotal game in the series. It was a winnable game for the Blue Jays, but they couldn't convert when it counted.

One consolation is that the AL East hasn't been great so far. The Reds are beating the O's 20-2 today, and the White Sox (now 5-16) just beat Boston 8-4. The Yankees are off to a good start but every other AL East team is either a bit above .500 (Toronto, Boston) or scuffling (Baltimore, Tampa).
Michael - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#459173) #
So far in the 13 games in the Skydome, sorry Rogers Center, the HR count stands as follows, by team:

Baltimore 10 (in 4G)
Toronto 9 (in 13 G)
Atlanta 7 (in 3 G)
Seattle 6 (in 3 G)
Washington 3 (in 3 G)

If you go by players that have at least 2 HR in Toronto so far this year, there are 7 such players (4 with 3, 3 with 2) and each of the 5 teams above has at least 1, but only Baltimore has more than 1 with 3 such players. So again, 7 multi-HR players in Toronto, and only 1 is a Jay.

So the easy trivia question, name the 7 players and say who has 3 and who has 2.

It is pretty surprising to be 8-5 in these 13 games while being out homered 9-26.

(And hopefully I haven't messed up tabulation by hand).
SK in NJ - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 06:15 PM EDT (#459174) #
This season will go south in a hurry if the team continues to rely on hitting singles and nothing else. They made the playoffs in 2023 being middle of the pack in home runs but that was with great pitching performance and health. Not something they want to bank on again.
Glevin - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 07:49 PM EDT (#459175) #
SK is absolutely right. Varsho coming back will help a little bit but this team is clearly a bat light right now. The team can't just wait around hoping Schneider will discover something or Lukes will become an everyday player or something. The Jays chose a path and that was to keep competing and if you want to compete, it means you can't wait around and hope on a guy who looked pretty good in AAA. You need to try to improve. It remains baffling to me that Jays didn't go out and sign a lefty masher. Hayes and Grichuk both kill lefties and both signed for 1/$5. Either would have been a great fit for 4/5 OF and given team some offense.
greenfrog - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#459176) #
The time to add a bat was in the off-season. I heavily advocated for adding Alonso (currently 219 wRC+ with 6 HR) — maybe he never had any intention of coming to Toronto, or maybe the Blue Jays didn’t bid enough for him. Some Bauxites agreed with my position, while others said pitching should be the priority and/or that Alonso would be an awkward fit on the team.

Significant trades typically don’t happen early in the season, so it’s basically hunker down at this point and try to stay in the postseason race until the summer trade deadline.
John Northey - Sunday, April 20 2025 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#459177) #
All this asking for more power. They added a 40 HR guy (Santander) and he hasn't been cranking them. Giménez, a guy many complained about getting, leads the team with 3 HR. Springer, who most here including myself wanted gone is tied for 2nd with 2 HR (Santander has 2 as well). Singles by Vlad, Heinemann, Kirk, Roden, and Straw. 5 guys are hitting 300+, the rest are sub 250. Those same 5 (plus Davis Schneider) are the only ones with an OBP over 310. Just 4 have a Slg% of 400+ (Heinemann, Springer, Straw, and Vlad). But here is the kicker - who do you get to fix the issue? LF/CF/RF/2B/SS/1B/C are pretty much set in stone right now with Varsho coming back soon especially. That leaves 3B/DH as the only spots available (Santander at DH a lot, as is Wagner who also is at 3B a lot). Barger was called up and is hitting 071/133/143 after 14 AB's (ouch), Schneider had 1 hit in 15 AB's. Down in Buffalo Riley Tirotta is the best hitter so far (333/395/615) playing at 3B/DH and is tied for the team lead with 3 HR but isn't seen as a serious prospect and most likely is just on a hot streak (lifetime 246/362/417 at age 26) as he has a 500 BABIP this year so far. The hot prospects haven't done much (Clase the best so far but no power, Orelvis has a 417 OPS, lots of others hurt). So a trade is needed but who is available? Especially this early in the season? The only really good player who might (and it is a MASSIVE stretch) be available is Ronald Acuña Jr. )due to his calling out of his manager, thus might be seen as an attitude problem. But he is on the IL anyways, and really, few teams are that dumb to dump a star player due to his complaining about the manager having a double standard.

Yeah, I can't see anything out there that is realistically available unless some struggling club decides to start dumping good players early. And with the Jays in 2nd place, 2 behind the Yankees and ahead of the Red Sox and O's, they are hardly struggling. Who might be dumping? White Sox of course, Twins already well back at 7-15, Rockies suck as always, Pirates and Atlanta both having horrid starts. White Sox might be willing to dump Andrew Benintendi (owed $32.2 over the next 2 years plus $17.1 this year) who plays LF/DH and has a 118 OPS+ this year with 3 HR, had 2 bad years in 23/24 but was pretty solid outside of a terrible 2020 (anyone can be forgiven for that year) otherwise. I doubt they'd want much for him, could be a nice fit. That is about all I can see that is slightly realistic via trade. If really desperate J.D. Martinez is still out there in free agent land. But right now I'd probably just stick with what we have unless a really good deal comes up out of nowhere (IE: AA decides he needs to get rid of Acuna Jr).
SK in NJ - Monday, April 21 2025 @ 09:52 AM EDT (#459178) #
“ It remains baffling to me that Jays didn't go out and sign a lefty masher.”

Agreed. They need to utilize platoons and matchups to get the most out of this roster. It’s hard to do that when they don’t have bench players with heavy platoon splits or regulars who hit for enough power. They did however value a glove/speed first 4th OF at $5-6M a year (Straw), and are giving extended looks to two young players with limited power ceilings (Roden, Wagner). I think this might be what they wanted, and just hoped Vlad and Santander could make up for it.

Over the last 3 years, if you look at the teams that finished top 10 in home runs, 80% of them were playoff teams. The Jays in 2023 were one of the exceptions but like I said before that was with incredible pitcher health and performance that will be hard/impossible to duplicate over a full season. Great teams hit home runs. This is not something you can avoid in order to get WAR elsewhere. The Jays are making it harder for themselves if they think they can rely on other things to compensate for that. It won’t work.
ISLAND BOY - Monday, April 21 2025 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#459182) #
Well, on the positive side, Paxton Schulz looked good. I like that the Jays aren't fooling around when a borderline reliever doesn't look like they will help the team so Lovelady and Barnes were quickly let go.
John Northey - Monday, April 21 2025 @ 12:37 PM EDT (#459184) #
FYI: found an old video when cleaning up stuff from the first ever SkyDome Rain Delay. Fun watching the roof close during a game for the first time, and how Moseby was wet while most of the field was dry. You can see Fred McGriff on base, Moseby, Whitt, and Mulliniks hit vs the Brewers. Sadly the rest of the game was erased over the years (we all taped over stuff back then). Hopefully someone else finds this fun to watch.
Gerry - Monday, April 21 2025 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#459189) #
Easton Lucas has been optioned to Buffalo. Lefty reliever Josh Walker has been recalled. The Jays have an off day this week and next so they dont need a fifth starter until Saturday next week. Or they could use someone else, Yariel or Schultz, as the fifth starter.
Marc Hulet - Monday, April 21 2025 @ 05:45 PM EDT (#459190) #
Or with Varsho back, DFA Lukes and try Lauer or trade for the recently DFA'd Triston McKenzie... and split the start between him and Schultz.

I don't recommend McKenzie because he's been so bad but he's only 27/28 and the front office loves Cleveland players.
Michael - Monday, April 21 2025 @ 06:10 PM EDT (#459191) #
BTW the answer to my easy quiz on multiple HR in Toronto so far this season:

Gimenez, Jays, 3
Tellez, Seattle, 3
Riley, Atlanta, 3
Westburg, Baltimore, 3
Mullins, Baltimore, 2
Rutschman, Baltimore, 2
Abrams, Washington, 2

so 7 players, but only 1 Jay.
JohnL - Monday, April 21 2025 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#459192) #
@JohnNorthey: Thanks for that clip of the rain delay. It was my first SkyDome game and first Jays win there.

I didn’t remember how much cheering there was as the roof was about to close.
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