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I'm beginning to believe that the 2025 Blue Jays will probably be an active participant in the post-season festivities.

There, I said it.

I'm not sure of that, mind you. Certainly not the same way I am sure that The Game will be denouncing team management and all their works every step of the way, from now until the End of Days. Nevertheless, I am beginning to think a post-season berth is this year's most likely outcome. Which caused me to ponder the myriad ways that the game (the one played between the white lines) has changed since the team's first post-season appearance, back in 1985. Forty years ago. Some of us were even there.

I think the most significant change, by far, has to be the number of plate appearances that end with the hitter walking back to his dugout after a third strike.

In 1985, AL starting pitchers averaged 5.1 Ks per 9 innings. And if that's what the average starting pitcher was up to, one can be reasonably confident that roughly half the starters in the league were averaging fewer than that. Which a quick peek at the numbers confirms - of the 66 men who started at least 15 games that season, 30 struck out 5.1 per 9 or better, and 36 were below that league average.

Would you care to guess how many of the 64 AL pitchers who have started 15 games this season are at (or below) 5.1 Ks per 9 innings?

None of them. The low man is Kyle Hendricks of the Angels, who has fanned 5.6 per 9. Hendricks and his teammate Jack Kochanowicz are the only AL starters below 6 Ks per 9. And just one of the 1985 starters, Floyd Bannister of the White Sox, was striking out more hitters than your average AL starter in 2025. Behold! A Data Table!

                         1985                                                           2025        
                                                    
Player    Team    GS    IP    SO   SO/9            Player    Team    GS    IP    SO    SO9
                                                    
Floyd Bannister   CHW    34    210.2   198    8.5            Logan Gilbert    SEA    21    109.2   151  12.4
Bruce Hurst    BOS    31    229.1   189    7.4            Garrett Crochet    BOS    29    185.1   228  11.1
Britt Burns    CHW    34    227    172    6.8            Tarik Skubal    DET    28    180    222  11.1
Roger Clemens    BOS    15    98.1   74    6.8            Jacob Lopez    ATH    17    92.2  113  11.0
Jack Morris    DET    35    257    191    6.7            Jack Flaherty    DET    28    146.2  171  10.5
Frank Tanana    2TM    33    215    159    6.7            Hunter Brown    HOU    28    167.2  190  10.2
Mike Witt    CAL    35    250    180    6.5            Joe Ryan    MIN    27    157    176  10.1
Bert Blyleven    2TM    37    293.2   206    6.3            Will Warren    NYY    29    141    153    9.8
Tim Lollar    2TM    23    150    105    6.3            Jacob deGrom    TEX    27    155.2  169    9.8
Gene Nelson    CHW    18    145.2  101    6.2            Cade Povich    BAL    17    96    103    9.7
Phil Niekro    NYY    33    220    149    6.1            Luis Ortiz    CLE    16    88.2    96    9.7
Bret Saberhagen   KCR    32    235.1   158    6.0            Carlos Rodón    NYY    29    170.1   180    9.5
Mike Boddicker    BAL    32    203.1  135    6.0            Shane Baz    TBR    28    155    164    9.5
Tim Birtsas    OAK    25    141.1    94    6.0            Charlie Morton    2TM    24    135.1   142    9.4
Ken Dixon    BAL    18    162    108    6.0            Yusei Kikuchi    LAA    30    161.2   163    9.1
Bob Ojeda    BOS    22    157.2  102    5.8            Bryan Woo    SEA    28    175.2   178    9.1
Jim Beattie    SEA    15    70.1    45    5.8            Kris Bubic    KCR    20    116.1   116    9.0
Dave Stieb    TOR    36    265    167    5.7            Ryan Pepiot    TBR    29    163    161    8.9
Matt Young    SEA    35    218.1   136    5.6            Jack Leiter    TEX    25    127.2   126    8.9
Mike Moore    SEA    34    247    155    5.6            Nathan Eovaldi    TEX    22    130    129    8.9
Dennis Rasmussen  NYY    16    101.2    63    5.6            George Kirby    SEA    19    104.2   104    8.9

AL RELIEVERS       --  6224    3906    5.6            AL RELIEVERS        --   7850.2  7795    8.9

Joe Cowley    NYY    26    159.2    97    5.5            Chris Bassitt    TOR    29    161    157    8.8
Teddy Higuera    MIL    30    212.1   127    5.4            Eric Lauer    TOR    15    95    93    8.8
Bud Black    KCR    33    205.2   122    5.3            Framber Valdez    HOU    28    176.1  171    8.7
Danny Darwin    MIL    29    217.2   125    5.2            Gavin Williams    CLE    28    150.2   146    8.7
Oil Can Boyd    BOS    35    272.1   154    5.1            Kevin Gausman    TOR    28    168.2   162    8.6
Charlie Hough    TEX    34    250.1   141    5.1            Shane Smith    CHW    25    125.1   118    8.5
Walt Terrell    DET    34    229    130    5.1            Sean Burke    CHW    20    117.2   110    8.4
Tom Seaver    CHW    33    238.2  134    5.1            Max Fried    NYY    29    176    163    8.3
Mark Langston    SEA    24    126.2    72    5.1            Trevor Rogers    BAL    15    95.2    87    8.2

AL STARTERS        2264  13960    7871    5.1            AL STARTERS        2158  11301.1 10333    8.2

Ron Guidry    NYY    33    259    143    5.0            José Soriano    LAA    29    163.2   148    8.1
Ed Whitson    NYY    30    158.2    89    5.0            Luis Castillo    SEA    29    161.1   144    8.0
Mark Gubicza    KCR    28    177.1    99    5.0            Michael Lorenzen    KCR    23    124.1   110    8.0
Doyle Alexander  TOR    36    260.2   142    4.9            Simeon Woods Richardson MIN    19    94.1    84    8.0
Danny Jackson    KCR    32    208    114    4.9            Casey Mize    DET    24    125.2  110    7.9
Frank Wills    SEA    18    123    67    4.9            JP Sears    ATH    22    111    97    7.9
Frank Viola    MIN    36    250.2   135    4.8            Tanner Bibee    CLE    28    161.1   139    7.8
Kirk McCaskill    CAL    29    189.2   102    4.8            Taj Bradley    2TM    24    126.1   109    7.8
Storm Davis    BAL    28    175    93    4.8            Seth Lugo    KCR    26    145.1   125    7.7
Al Nipper    BOS    25    162    85    4.7            José Berríos    TOR    28    154.2   131    7.6
Mike Mason    TEX    30    179    92    4.6            Drew Rasmussen    TBR    28    139.2   117    7.5
Jim Clancy    TOR    23    128.2    66    4.6            Dean Kremer    BAL    27    158.1   132    7.5
Burt Hooton    TEX    20    124    62    4.5            Patrick Corbin    TEX    27    142.1   119    7.5
Mike Smithson    MIN    37    257    127    4.4            Lucas Giolito    BOS    23    130.1   107    7.4
Chris Codiroli    OAK    37    226    111    4.4            Bailey Ober    MIN    24    129.1   105    7.3
Pete Vuckovich    MIL    22    112.2    55    4.4            Slade Cecconi    CLE    20    115.1    94    7.3
Mike Flanagan    BAL    15    86    42    4.4            Jeffrey Springs    ATH    27    157    126    7.2
Don Sutton    2TM    34    226    107    4.3            Jonathan Cannon    CHW    17    98.1    78    7.1
Ray Burris    MIL    28    170.1    81    4.3            Luis Severino    ATH    26    146.1   114    7.0
Moose Haas    MIL    26    161.2    78    4.3            Logan Allen    CLE    26    139.1   109    7.0
Dan Petry    DET    34    238.2  109    4.1            Noah Cameron    KCR    20    113    88    7.0
Charlie Leibrandt KCR    33    237.2  108    4.1            Tyler Anderson    LAA    26    136.1   104    6.9
Ken Schrom    MIN    26    160.2    74    4.1            Brayan Bello    BOS    25    152.2  114    6.7
Bill Swift    SEA    21    120.2    55    4.1            Walker Buehler    BOS    22    112.1    84    6.7
John Butcher    MIN    33    207.2    92    4.0            Logan Evans    SEA    15    78.1    58    6.7
Vern Ruhle    CLE    16    125    54    3.9            Michael Wacha    KCR    28    159    117    6.6
Scott McGregor    BAL    34    204    86    3.8            Adrian Houser    2TM    17    101.2    74    6.6
Neal Heaton    CLE    33    207.2    82    3.6            Davis Martin    CHW    22    127.1    92    6.5
Jimmy Key    TOR    32    212.2    85    3.6            Chris Paddack    2TM    27    142.1    98    6.2
Jim Slaton    CAL    24    148.1    60    3.6            Emerson Hancock    SEA    15    81.1    55    6.1
Don Schulze    CLE    18    94.1  37    3.5            Tomoyuki Sugano    BAL    27    143.2    96    6.0
Dennis Martínez   BAL    31    180    68    3.4            Zack Littell    TBR    22    133.1    89    6.0
Jaime Cocanower   MIL    15    116.1  44    3.4            Jack Kochanowicz    LAA    23    111    72    5.8
Bill Krueger    OAK    23    151.1  56    3.3            Kyle Hendricks    LAA    27    142.1    89    5.6
Ron Romanick    CAL    31    195    64    3.0                                
Tommy John    2TM    17    86.1    25    2.6                                


I think it's slightly spooky that the AL Relievers and Starters end up at the exact same place on two sets of data 40 years apart, but there you go. Both years we have 21 starting pitchers who average more Ks per 9 than the average relief pitcher; we then have another 9 starters who strike out more than the average starter (30 altogether); and then the rest of the league. 

I have long believed that most of this is because of the hitters - the pure contact hitter has more or less disappeared from the game. Almost everybody is trying to hit the ball over the fence, and willing to regard the additional strikeouts as a price worth paying. That's part of the story, but only part - the power hitters behave differently these days as well. Babe Ruth led the league in striking out five times, but he never fanned more than 93 times in a season. Ted Williams tops out at 64 Ks, when he was a 20 year old rookie. And Joe DiMaggio never struck out more than the 39 times he fanned as 21 year old rookie. So I suspect these fellows just might have changed their approach when they got to two strikes.

You know, the way Bo Bichette does. Bichette, after all, is one of the league's top contact hitters. It boggles my mind that this is an accurate description of someone who has never failed to strike out at least 100 times in a full season. But there we are. Of the 66 qualified AL hitters this season, Bichette - on pace to strike out 103 times this year - ranks 11th as least likely to strike out. And three of the guys ahead of him wear the same uniform (Guerrero, Kirk, Clement.)

Well, hitting has always been hard and I don't think it's getting any easier. Every team uses at least four different pitchers in every game, so hitters are constantly faced with a different set of problems to solve half the time they step into the box. I think the real difference made by all these additional strikeouts comes on defense. More strikeouts means fewer outs required by your defenders. Fewer outs required from your defenders means defense is not as important as it used to be. Quod erat demonstrandum. Is there a flaw in my logic?

And that brings us back to Bo Bichette, who we're generally agreed is a below-average defensive shortstop. I admit, I've never worried about that as much as most people. I watched the New York Yankees win lots of games and lots of championships with Derek Jeter playing shortstop, and I don't think shortstop defense has gotten more important since Captain Intangibles roamed the field. Quite the contrary. Still, even the most casual look at Bichette's defensive numbers is discouraging. Toronto shortstops are dead last in assists and total chances handled, though they're well above average in putouts. But we find something similar with Toronto's second basemen and I think there's a general consensus that Andres Gimenez and Ernie Clement are pretty good defensive players. The same thing happens, albeit at a different level - in this case, it's below average in assists and total chances, and very good indeed on putouts. 

I think it's got a lot to do with the pitching. Blue Jays pitchers strike out a lot of batters. This year's group is almost the exact opposite of the 1985 staff, which had one legitimate strikeout pitcher (Stieb), two guys below the league average (Clancy and Alexander) and one guy who was way below the league average (Key.) That's not what this year's crew is like. Only tonight's opposition, the Houston Astros, have struck out more hitters than the 2025 Jays. Jose Berrios is the only starter who fans fewer batters than the average AL starter - and Berrios strikes out more guys than all but one of the entire league's 1985 starters. All the others (including Bieber and Scherzer who haven't made 15 starts) are above the league average. The starters collectively are averaging 8.4 Ks per 9, which is a little above the league average, and  the relievers are way over the league average, at 9.9 Ks per 9. 

And more strikeouts means fewer outs required by your defenders. And fewer outs required from your defenders means defense is not as important as it used to be. They don't need to make as many plays.

There are some minor factors to toss into the mix. The Blue Jays have a flyball staff that strikes out a lot of batters. Of the 15 AL teams, the Blue Jays staff ranks 14th in the number of balls put in play against them, and 14th in the number of ground balls put in play against them. (And in the specific case of the shortstop - the Blue Jays are 13th in the number of opposition Plate Appearances by RH batters, which has an impact on which direction the ground balls go. And just for good measure, 11 AL teams have had more innings thrown by LH pitchers, which will also affect which direction the ground balls go.

Anyway, that's why I don't worry as much about Bo Bichette's defense as most people do. I don't like it a whole lot either- I just don't worry as much. And I think he just might be working behind the pitching staff best suited to his defensive skill set. Such as it is.

I do hate to speculate about post-season roster decisions with three weeks still left to play. It feels so premature, if not positively dangerous. Tempting fate, and all that. But hey... I've crawled way out on that limb already. I actually said things like "probably" and "most likely." In for a penny, in for a pound, I suppose. So a couple of quick points. Unless there's an injury to an infielder, I very much doubt Kiner-Falefa will be on the post-season roster. So I wouldn't worry about it. I'd worry much more about the potential injury that puts him there. I think the only position player complication would come if Anthony Santander suddenly looks tanned, rested and ready to rock. Which still seems unlikely. but it would really complicate matters.

I have long assumed that if and when the time comes to cut back to four starters (I will hedge these bets til the end!), it would be Eric Lauer and Chris Bassitt who head to the pen. Lauer because he's done it before, as recently as earlier this year (and also because it's very hard to trust Brendon Little and quite impossible to trust any of the other LH relievers.) Bassitt simply because Schneider has said that "Chris does weird well" and suddenly pitching out of the bullpen would be pretty weird for someone who's always been a starter. I note that it's generally believed that what a team wants and needs in a post-season bullpen are guys that can get you a strikeout when you want one. If you cast your gaze back up at the right side of that Data Table, you will notice that the two Jays starters who strike out the most hitters are... (drum roll, if you please) ... Chris Bassitt and Eric Lauer.

Late breaking news! Bichette to the IL. Is everyone excited about the improved team defense?

I didn't think so.

Matchups

Tue 12 Sep - Garcia (1-0, 4.50) vs Berrios (9-5, 4.02)
Wed 13 Sep - Alexander (4-1, 3.19) vs Bieber (2-1, 4.15)
Thu 14 Sep - Javier (1-2, 4.43) vs Gausman (9-10, 3.63)
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uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#467775) #
wanted to look at the rotation now that we're heading into a long stretch with no offdays and only one offday left.

Sep9 Bieber (5 days rest)
Sep10 Berrios (7)
Sep11 Gausman (5)
Sep12 Bassitt (5)
Sep13 Scherzer (5)
Sep14 Bieber (4)
Sep15 Berrios (4)
Sep16 Gausman (4)
Sep17 Bassitt (4)
Sep18 Scherzer (4)
Sep19 Bieber (4)
Sep20 Berrios (4)
Sep21 Gausman (4)
Sep22 Off
Sep23 Bassitt (5)
Sep24 Scherzer (5)
Sep25 Bieber (5)
Sep26 Berrios (5)
Sep27 Gausman (5)
Sep28 Bassitt (4)


Sure doesn't seem like they're overly concerned about keeping Berrios on track. Another overlong rest for him this time through. Might indicate that he's already on the outside looking in on the playoffs rotation.

They're finally putting Bieber on somewhat normal rest today after 5 game break, but after babying him so far i kinda doubt they want him to go on 4 days rest twice in a row after that. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Lauer start on the 14th.

Sep9 Bieber (5 days rest)
Sep10 Berrios (7)
Sep11 Gausman (5)
Sep12 Bassitt (5)
Sep13 Scherzer (5)
Sep14 Lauer (?)
Sep15 Bieber (5)
Sep16 Berrios (5)
Sep17 Gausman (5)
Sep18 Bassitt (5)
Sep19 Scherzer (5)
Sep20 Bieber (4)
Sep21 Berrios (4)
Sep22 Off
Sep23 Gausman (5)
Sep24 Bassitt (5)
Sep25 Scherzer (5)
Sep26 Bieber (5)
Sep27 Berrios (5)
Sep28 Gausman (4)

Though they'd try to avoid Gausman pitching that last game if possible.
Nigel - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 05:47 PM EDT (#467776) #
Excellent piece Magpie - thank you. So many interesting nuggets in that.

The conclusion on Bichette's defence and its declining importance (particularly on this year's Jays team) is instructive with how the team should now deal with his injury. I say what I am about to say as someone who enjoys watching good defence more that just about any aspect of watching baseball, but I think that they should punt, to some extent, on their infield defence for the next 10 days. They should think about getting Barger back to playing some at 3B and Schneider back to some time at 2B. Mix and match Gimenez, IKF and Clement as appropriate. Think about trying to replace some of the offence that is lost with Bichette's absence.
BlueJayWay - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 06:05 PM EDT (#467777) #
Don't have to think about Bichette's defense for a while now. Always a silver lining...
greenfrog - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 06:19 PM EDT (#467779) #
The Bo injury is frustrating because it was unnecessary. Sending him to score on the Lukes base hit was a low-percentage, high-risk move in the circumstances.

At this point the priority should be to get Bo healthy for the postseason, even if it means the Blue Jays end up with a WC berth again because of the depleted lineup in September.
Glevin - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#467780) #
The Bo injury is frustrating because it was unnecessary. Sending him to score on the Lukes base hit was a low-percentage, high-risk move in the circumstances."

No it wasn't. It was the right call in a very important and close game and forced Bellinger to make a great throw. IKF and Gimenez were coming up so even if you think it's 40% chance to score, you take those odds.
dalimon5 - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 06:47 PM EDT (#467781) #
Yeah agreed. Also it's convenient to criticize the play after learning that the player is injured but that shouldn't impact the decision that was made in real time. If you start holding runners (27 year old prime player) because you're afraid of an injury then you've already given up.
John Northey - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 06:57 PM EDT (#467782) #
If the Jays get the first round bye then you'd want Gausman to start that final game, but be limited to something like 3 IP or 50 pitches. Just to keep him sharp.

As to SS it'll be interesting to see how things are handled. Seems Clement will be everyday at SS, Barger at 3B with IKF mixed in vs tough LHP, leaving LF as a Schneider/Loperfido platoon, RF as a Lukes/Straw platoon.
John Northey - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 06:59 PM EDT (#467783) #
The injury was just one of those things. 99 times out of a 100 there is no injury on that play. Bo did a weird slide, perfect throw home, there were many ways that could've been a 'ho hum' play, but bad luck happens. Holding a runner there would've been pure stupidity. Bo from 2 years ago scores easily, but he has slowed a lot.
Magpie - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 07:01 PM EDT (#467784) #
I would think that Isiah Kiner-Falefa looks a bit more useful all of a sudden. It's a little like when Guerrero went down and couldn't play in the field for ten days. By some weird coincidence they had just acquired someone able to fill in.

Did they know something? Can they peer into into the future? Inquiring minds want to know.
Nigel - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#467785) #
Man that didn't take long:(
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 07:22 PM EDT (#467786) #
We might just not have the pitching this year boys.

Maybe we get some heroic thowback performances from some of them tho.
greenfrog - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 07:26 PM EDT (#467787) #
I disagree that it would have been pure stupidity not to send Bo. Even the 590 broadcasters said they were wondering, in real time, what the third base coach was thinking when he sent Bo.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 07:40 PM EDT (#467788) #
hmm there's a break.
Gerry - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 08:01 PM EDT (#467789) #
Good article Magpie.

About the post season roster, I think Berrios rather than Bassitt is on the bubble at the moment. Berrios needs to show more consistency to get back in the playoff mix. Right now he is going good start, bad start.
Gerry - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 08:06 PM EDT (#467790) #
Looking at the data table I see a few notable names. Roger Clemens came in at 6.8 k9, we think of him as a strikeout pitcher but 6.8 would put him close to the bottom of the 2025 list.

I see Tommy John clocks in at 2.8. I guess he had a good defense behind him. Jimmy Key at 3.6 is also lower than I expected.
Magpie - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 08:07 PM EDT (#467791) #
I think Berrios rather than Bassitt is on the bubble

I don't disagree, and the final three weeks could be a bit of an audition. If all things are equal, if they're both pitching well, I think Bassitt is most likely to go the pen. But Berrios does need to pitch well to keep his spot.
Nigel - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 08:11 PM EDT (#467792) #
Right now, there's a decent chance that the 4th starter (if needed in a playoff series) would be "bullpen day". That's how several teams recently have run their playoff pitching rotations.
99BlueJaysWay - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#467793) #
Through 5 innings the Jays have hit exactly zero balls over 100mph. I think the hardest hit ball was Loperfido’s fly out.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 08:59 PM EDT (#467794) #
George's longest HR since 2021.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#467795) #
big inning for the Tigers. Yanks down 6-2.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:05 PM EDT (#467796) #
7-2, bases loaded, no outs.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#467797) #
Warren pitched 6ip and gave up 2r, then got pulled for the 7th.

The Yanks bullpen has given up 8 runs in the 7th now, still no outs.
soupman - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#467798) #
Buck “I don’t care what the numbers say, the Yankees are *not* a good team.”
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#467799) #
best night for Barger in a long time. He'll be inherently streaky his whole career i think, but this sure would be a good time for a hot streak.
electric carrot - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:27 PM EDT (#467800) #
I pinch hit ned flanders next almost no matter what France does.
electric carrot - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#467801) #
Oh crap. Wrong guy Schneider.
Glevin - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#467802) #
IKF can't hit lefties so why pinch hit him there? Also, not sure why Schneider treats Davis Schneider like someone who can't hit. He should be pinch hitting for Loperfido as it's a straight swap.
greenfrog - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#467803) #
Clement failing to at least advance Barger to third base down 3-1 in the 7th is painful. A player like Clement should be able to execute in that situation.
Glevin - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#467804) #
Varsho is just ridiculous.
Nigel - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#467805) #
That IKF pinch hit was just a crazy decision.

Since the 2nd inning of Friday this offense has gotten ultra aggressive and hacktastic. No idea why.
electric carrot - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:35 PM EDT (#467806) #
Ok and now they put in ned flanders anyway as a defensive replacement! So Schneider really prefers IKF vs a lefty than Ned Flanders since both were getting the in game regardless? That's a real head scratcher.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#467807) #
IKF pinch hitting over Schneider is just ridiculous.

this IKF pickup is a disaster. in love with this castoff becuase he had a career hot streak for a couple months for us last year.
Marc Hulet - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:38 PM EDT (#467808) #
Gotta line up Gausman to start Game 1 of the Wildcard series.
electric carrot - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:39 PM EDT (#467809) #
"IKF pinch hitting over Schneider is just ridiculous."

Can anyone defend this? I mean I just want to know what Schneider was thinking.
SK in NJ - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#467810) #
Davis Schneider is definitely getting demoted for Santander. That's not even a question anymore. Absolutely absurd decision to use IKF as a pinch hitter against a LHP. He has one of the worst wRC+'s in the league against LHP this season. There's no way to rationalize that.
99BlueJaysWay - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#467811) #
They’re still in first, Marc.
Nigel - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#467812) #
Agreed on Clement’s failure to get the runner over. There’s just been a boatload of poor ABs tonight.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#467813) #
I might get burned by saying this out loud, but I'm thinking that if we keep consistently relying on the likes if IKF and Straw in huge situations in huge games that it's probably not gonna work out for us.
greenfrog - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:46 PM EDT (#467814) #
IKF 2025 wRC+ 74
IKF 2025 (vs LHP) wRC+ 38

Schneider 2025 wRC+ 130
Schneider 2025 (vs LHP) wRC+ 124
Glevin - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#467815) #
Schneider hates downgrading defensively which is why Jays never pinch hit for Clement even though he has huge splits, use Straw over Schneider to pinch hit regularly and in this case used IKF. Jays care way more about defense than most teams. They're in first so maybe it makes sense but there are times when I just wish the Jays would get someone who can hit.
Glevin - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#467816) #
Schneider had to play LF anyway and they didn't even use his bat. Insane.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#467817) #
it had nothing to do with defense - he brought Schneider in as a pinch-fielder anyways!

jjdynomite - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#467818) #
The bench may suck, but at least the bullpen seems back.
electric carrot - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#467819) #
"Jays care way more about defense than most teams"

But Glevin Ned Flanders was put in the game right after he wasn't used as a pinch hitter. This was not about defense. Scheider must have though IKF was more likely to get a hit than Ned Flanders -- that's the only possible way to read this. Either that or he just made a mistake and called the wrong name by accident.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:53 PM EDT (#467820) #
and then, after using Shchneider to pinch-field, he used Straw to pinch-hit the next inning, when he could have pinch-fielded Straw and then used Schneider as the pinch hitter.

just crazy stuff all around.
99BlueJaysWay - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#467821) #
Re: Clement. People know he has a fractured bone in his hand, right?
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:55 PM EDT (#467822) #
save us barger
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:58 PM EDT (#467823) #
is he going to pinch hit for Schneider with a pitcher maybe.
electric carrot - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#467824) #
Could it be that Schneider want Ned Flanders to come up in the bottom of the ninth with two runners on and this was the only way to engineer it?
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:01 PM EDT (#467825) #
​make us loook silly IKF. please.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:02 PM EDT (#467826) #
always liked IKF. what a pickup by Greatkins.
99BlueJaysWay - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#467827) #
What was that about IKF?

Buck “ I’ll tell you what, if you don’t believe in these Blue Jays you’re not paying attention”
electric carrot - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#467828) #
Absolute brilliance Schneider!
John Northey - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#467829) #
Heh. Gotta love it. Schneider comes up in a key situation, takes a walk, then IKF ties it up.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:04 PM EDT (#467830) #
makes us look silly, Myles. please.
Four Seamer - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:04 PM EDT (#467831) #
Love Springer, but that was a terrible AB.
greenfrog - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#467832) #
Looked like Springer was trying to aggressively crush one, when all he needed was to hit a fly ball or even just make contact in that situation.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#467833) #
vladdy so good.
greenfrog - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:11 PM EDT (#467834) #
Perfect play by Vladdy.
greenfrog - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:14 PM EDT (#467835) #
Solid inning by Hoffman. Now win it Blue Jays!
Gerry - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#467836) #
Buck and Dan in the eighth inning, "the Astros have a great closer".

Buck and Dan in the ninth, Abreu has now blown five of his nine save opportunities.

One of these things is not like the other.
SK in NJ - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#467837) #
Davis Schneider walk to extend the inning followed by IKF game tying single.

John Schneider masterclass.
greenfrog - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:16 PM EDT (#467838) #
I wouldn't be opposed to Straw attempting a steal of third base to start B10.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#467839) #
VLADDY SO GOOD
Nigel - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#467840) #
Re IKF: I’m tempted to say positive results don’t justify poor process but that will produce chaos so I’ll just say - way to go IKF!

On a serious note, that’s the best I’ve seen the leverage arms in awhile.
Gerry - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:18 PM EDT (#467841) #
Another Buck special...Vlad always hustles out of the box. Really?

Glevin - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:20 PM EDT (#467842) #
Horrible an by Varsho after a horrible ab by Springer previous inning. Make some contact!!
Four Seamer - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:20 PM EDT (#467843) #
Varsho with Springer disease on that AB. Just make some contact!
Four Seamer - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#467844) #
I believe I owe you a Coke, Glevin.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#467845) #
oh man heineman.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#467846) #
HE DID IT!!



that's a really huge win. wowza.
99BlueJaysWay - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:23 PM EDT (#467847) #
Stole one!
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#467848) #
if the bullpen has that rough patch out of its system now then things'll be a little easier.
Magpie - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:25 PM EDT (#467849) #
Had 'em all the way....

Nah. But it will do.
ayjackson - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:25 PM EDT (#467850) #
Somewhere: How about those Toronto Blue Jays!
greenfrog - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:25 PM EDT (#467851) #
Gotta line up Gausman to start Game 1 of the Wildcard series

I'm sure you meant to say ALDS...right Marc?!?
Glevin - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:25 PM EDT (#467852) #
Huge win and one of the best of the season after two bad losses and a weak-looking start to this one. Every game matters a ton right now.
BlueJayWay - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:28 PM EDT (#467853) #
What a win. Holy cow.
SK in NJ - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#467854) #
Unbelievable win tonight. Just massive.
Michael - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:37 PM EDT (#467855) #
I tuned in for the 8th inning, and that was a good end to the game.

I was surprised to see IKF hitting in the 9th and would have pinch hit for him (I hadn't realized he'd been used as a PH already!) - but then he comes through big time.

I also laughed out loud at the Vlad always runs hard out of the box. Um, Vlad is a great player and made a great play on the throw to 3b (which we've seen him do before in extra innings) and was genuinely running hard on that play - but I don't think that's his trademark. Sometimes running hard on routine plays is somewhat performative even if rarely on a surprise bobble or mis-throw it can make a difference, but Vlad is not a 100% run hard guy (and arguably the trade off on health would have us support that in some other plays).

But still a great win.
greenfrog - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:37 PM EDT (#467856) #
After Sunday's game against Toronto, the Yankees had a 29.9% chance of winning the division. Now they have a 19.4% chance of winning the division (per Fangraphs). That's how big this win was for the Blue Jays.
blu-j - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:48 PM EDT (#467857) #
Unfortunately, the Red Sox didn't appear to get the memo that this is the Jays' day -- 5-0 bad guys in the 3rd.
electric carrot - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:51 PM EDT (#467858) #
Love this win for the players who did great. I really want someone to ask Schneider about why he pinch hit with IKF instead of Ned Flanders. I really have no idea what he would say if he was answering honestly.
greenfrog - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#467859) #
Sounds like the Red Sox may have suffered another injury, this time to Romy Gonzalez in tonight's game. The injury may have happened while he was stretching at first base to catch an offline throw.
scottt - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 10:59 PM EDT (#467860) #
There was a weird sequence in which Houston followed up a tough on left bats lefty with a reverse split lefty.

According to Buck, IKF loves playing on the turf.

uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 11:00 PM EDT (#467861) #
Manager was asked, and did give an answer. Something along the lines of wanting Davis to come up against the tough righty later.....which seems a stretch tbh.
Magpie - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 11:00 PM EDT (#467862) #
Buck and Dan in the eighth inning, "the Astros have a great closer".

Indeed they do, but it's the one on the IL.
greenfrog - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 11:01 PM EDT (#467863) #
The Blue Jays are fortunate to be facing SPs Alexander and Javier the next two games (instead of Brown and Valdez), especially after the Astros emptied their bullpen tonight after Garcia left the game early. Hopefully Toronto can take advantage and win those games.
Nigel - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 11:11 PM EDT (#467864) #
Schneider (the Manager) had a few horse shoes lodged in places that should not be named. He pinch ran for Kirk when he wasn’t the tying run. It wasn’t a terrible decision but I thought at the time that that spot was likely to come up in the 10th (if they ever got there). And Lo and behold:). As for Schneider (the Player) coming up later as per Schneider’s (the Manager) answer, I hope one of the reporters laughed out loud:).

There were some very good ABs in the 9th.
scottt - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 11:12 PM EDT (#467865) #
Cruz and Leiter totally imploded tonight.
0 outs, 4 hits, 4 walks, 1 HBP, 1 wild pitch, 9 earned runs.
greenfrog - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 11:21 PM EDT (#467866) #
What are the chances Bo makes it back to the lineup (and shortstop) this month? Keegan wrote on bluejays.com that "while the club is optimistic that its star shortstop will return for the stretch run in September, the manager didn’t want to put a timeline on anything just yet."

The ALDS doesn't start until Oct 4, so winning the division and securing a bye seems even more important now, as this would give Bo four extra days of rest before having to play postseason games.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#467867) #
Mitch Bannon
@MitchBannon
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IKF on his big 9th inning hit:

“I kind of visualized it walking up to the plate. I'm like, I went to Pittsburgh for this hit right here.”
92-93 - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 11:36 PM EDT (#467868) #
The power of this site is truly incredible, lol. I just want to go on the record as saying that Vladdy is terrible and it was a huge waste of money for the Jays to sign him...

I was thinking that too, Nigel, but I kinda didn't mind the PR because Kirky is that slow that he could turn a potential base hit into an out when the infielder has no chance at getting the hitter at first. The chances are very slim, sure, but still.

10-8 the rest of the way would mean the Yankees need to go 14-4 to win the division. What an enormous comeback win.

greenfrog - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 11:45 PM EDT (#467870) #
Don't sleep on the Red Sox. They're probably going to be 3 GB of Toronto after tonight, they have four more games against the A's, plus a three-game series against the Blue Jays later this month.

The odds still favour Toronto, though. And Boston has lost a few players to injury recently, including Roman Anthony.

Anyway, one game at a time. Win tomorrow.
Magpie - Tuesday, September 09 2025 @ 11:50 PM EDT (#467871) #
one game at a time.

Word.

Pieces fell into place so very neatly tonight. Their Zombie Runner in the tenth was the oldest guy on the team. The Jays Zombie Runner was the fastest guy on the team. Things simply don't work out that well every day.
Nigel - Wednesday, September 10 2025 @ 12:00 AM EDT (#467872) #
I understood the logic of pinch running for Kirk. As I said, it wasn’t a terrible decision, it’s just one of those decisions that when you are running bad blows up in your face in the 10th and when you’re running good….. The Varsho AB’s against velocity relievers tonight are why I’d ideally like to see him in the bottom of the lineup. The HR threat is awesome but the inability to hit elevated velocity is a problem in the long sequence part of the lineup.
92-93 - Wednesday, September 10 2025 @ 12:03 AM EDT (#467873) #
Yep, I'd much rather have Kirk batting ahead of Varsho with the game on the line.
Magpie - Wednesday, September 10 2025 @ 12:05 AM EDT (#467874) #
Scheider must have though IKF was more likely to get a hit than Ned Flanders

Schneider did say something afterward about hoping for some contact in that particular situation, and Kiner-Falefa really is much more likely to make contact than the other Schneider.

Winning the division is not enough. The team wants to be one of the top two in the league, and get a free pass into the ALDS. It's good to be 5.5 ahead of Houston, it's good to be missing Valdez and Brown. It would be good if the Yankees had to deal with Tarik Skubal, but one can't have everything.
pooks137 - Wednesday, September 10 2025 @ 12:30 AM EDT (#467875) #
I have no problem PR Heineman for Kirk with the leadoff walk Bottom 9 down 3-1. The prerogative is to tie the game. You can't be worried about saving Kirk's bat to possibly show up again in extras.

Even though Kirk wasn't the tying run, his glacial baserunning takes away so many options. Can't hit & run. He's a risk to get thrown out as the lead runner on bunts. Can't do squeeze plays.

It essentially takes 3 singles to score Kirk from 1st. He can't go 1st to 3rd or score from 2nd on a single. Much more difficult to score on a SF.

With Abreu's insane K/9 rate approaching 14, you also aren't going to have many BIP to string together a long sequence offense to tie it.
uglyone - Wednesday, September 10 2025 @ 01:24 AM EDT (#467876) #
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