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Just a few days ago, it all looked great. The Blue Jays appeared to have finally emerged from their season-opening funk with six straight wins, and fans were looking ahead at the Yankees, not behind to the Devil Rays. Then came two straight demoralizing losses, including a truly ugly outing yesterday in Kansas City, and the news that Chris Woodward and Chris Speier were off to the DL. Now the Jays come home to face the powerhouse Boston Red Sox, the start of an intimidating 16-game stretch where the Jays play not one game against a team with a losing record. Add to that today's terrible news about Dustin McGowan, and this looks like low-morale time for the organization.

It's at times like this, one way or another, that you get to find out what your team is made of. The Blue Jays could conceivably roll over during these next 16 games, stagger through that stretch with a 6-10 or 5-11 record, and emerge on the other side with a 19-31 record and a season all but over. But you know, when you face daunting odds, knowing the road ahead of you is gruelling, and yet still go out there and give everything you have (and maybe some you didn't know you have), then you may be surprised to learn you're better than anyone suspected.

The Blue Jays still have life, and they now have an opportunity, playing several games against the Red Sox in particular, to pull themselves out of what threatens to become a death spiral. These next few weeks will test the players' character, and they will test the leadership abilities of the team's manager and coaches; it will show whether these are the Fighting Jays that JP Ricciardi wanted to see on the field in 2004. If it turns out they are not, then I would fully expect major changes to this club well before the end of the season. But I still think they are, and I think they can start proving that tonight.

It's Miguel Batista, who has pitched much better lately and is overdue for his first win of the season, versus Curt Schilling, a certified ace who nonetheless has an Achilles heel called the home run ball. The Dome will be open for the first time this year, on a beautiful evening in Toronto. If you can get to the game, do your part: go down there on the Night of Incredible Noise and yell for all you're worth in favour of the home side, while the chance is there. In many ways, the 2004 season will be made or broken starting tonight.
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Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 06:47 PM EDT (#65672) #
If you get down there for the Noise, head to section 518. And apologize to the troops for me -- this chemical spill in Clarkson has cut off all GO service between Oakville, where I work, and Toronto.

They're running shuttle buses in the other direction, but not back into T.O. -- those of us who reverse commute are low priority because of the number of people headed the other way.
_Dr. Zarco - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 06:53 PM EDT (#65673) #
Jordan, great intro! Fairly moving. You've got me all pumped to watch the game.
_Chuck Van Den C - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 06:59 PM EDT (#65674) #
Chris Woodward and Chris Speier were off to the DL

Chris Speier. That was a slip that was inevitable for someone to make, especially when talking about shortstops named Chris.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:07 PM EDT (#65675) #
Lineup for the Jays:

Orlando Hudson
Frank Catalanotto
Vernon Wells
Carlos Delgado
Josh Phelps
Eric Hinske
Chris Gomez
Howie Clark
Kevin Cash

O-Dog gets the leadoff spot! Alright O-Dog!
Craig B - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:20 PM EDT (#65676) #
I wouldn't be surprised if Pokey gets one in the earhole on his first trip to the plate.
Craig B - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:21 PM EDT (#65677) #
Batista gives up a single and a walk, but strikes out Ramirez and Varitek to bring the Jays up.
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:22 PM EDT (#65678) #
I hope I don't jinx him, but letting Escobar go and picking up Batista for LESS is one of J.P's bright moments...

Go O-Dog! Double off the wall baby.
Craig B - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:23 PM EDT (#65679) #
Ooh... off the wall. Nice one by Hudson. Are we watching a star being born this year?
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:24 PM EDT (#65680) #
YEAH! GO JAYS!

AND I'M STUCK AT WORK!!! AAAAAAAAA!!
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#65681) #
That rocks... good running by Cat man too... that's a decent 1-2.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#65682) #
Are we watching a star being born this year?

Totally.
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:26 PM EDT (#65683) #
Just let this be Delgado's break out series... THAT would be significant...
Craig B - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:26 PM EDT (#65684) #
Cat just *thoroughly* disrespected Manny Ramirez. Nice.
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#65685) #
Yeah! Vernon let's a close one go outside for ball 4.... he's seeing things better now.... c'mon Degato!!
Craig B - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#65686) #
Double, double, walk. 1-0 Jays, Carlos up. Come oooooooonnnnnn Delgadooooooooooooooo....
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:29 PM EDT (#65687) #
Back to back walks.
Craig B - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#65688) #
FEAR THE HAMMER! WHY AM I YELLING AGAIN!?

GO PHELPS!

(Delgado has walked)
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:31 PM EDT (#65689) #
That's happened it seem's like 5 times already this year... jays'get doubled up home and 1st...

Varitek just took a hinske foul ball off the cojones...
Craig B - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:31 PM EDT (#65690) #
Phelps grounds 1-2-3. Come on Eric...
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:33 PM EDT (#65691) #
This is the risp hit the jays didn't get all week.... c'mon hinske, let's get a cheap single at least.... break the 0 for 12...
_Ron - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#65692) #
Bases Loaded ... 0 outs, can't even get one run in .......... arghhhh
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:35 PM EDT (#65693) #
Well, dissappointing to only cash in one run, but Schilling's looking pretty hittable here. Go good guys!
_Chuck Van Den C - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:37 PM EDT (#65694) #
Mustn't say anything negative. The sunshine police are listening.
_Gwyn - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:37 PM EDT (#65695) #
Just turned on Gameday and it's showing Schilling pitching to Millar.
Did we make a trade I don't know about ? :)
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:38 PM EDT (#65696) #
never count out Schilling though.... and the Red Sox might get on Batista - 3rd time they've seen him this year and haven't done much yet.

i swear, i wsa going to say that i'm afraid the wild pitches/passed balls are gonna happen again tonight, but before i could type it, there one went... not Cash's strong point.
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:40 PM EDT (#65697) #
wow that hurt's about mcgowan getting tommy john surgery.... doh! Who's going to help the jays later this year? Any guesses?

Yeah, Schilling would look good for the jays now!
Craig B - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#65698) #
Mustn't say anything negative. The sunshine police are listening.

Ve expect you to smile vhen you say zat, Chuck.
_Gwyn - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:46 PM EDT (#65699) #
No one expects the Sunshine Police
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:50 PM EDT (#65700) #
Say what you like, I'll just disagree. ;)
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:51 PM EDT (#65701) #
..er... i'm new... what's the sunshine police?

nice play hinske...
_the shadow - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:51 PM EDT (#65702) #
The Jays most reliable hitters, a cat and a dawg
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:53 PM EDT (#65703) #
I'm a sunny side eternal optimist.
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:54 PM EDT (#65704) #
haha. that's for the birds.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#65705) #
So after the first my dad showed up to talk and talk and talk and talk. What did I miss?
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:57 PM EDT (#65706) #
Go O-Dog!
Craig B - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:58 PM EDT (#65707) #
Noooooobody expects the Sunshine Police. Our chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and cheers. Cheers and surprise. Our two weapons are cheers and surprise... and the Hammer of Wisdom. Our three weapons are cheers, surprise, and the Hammer of Wisdom... and an almost fanatical devotion to O-Dog. Our four... no.

Amongst our weapons... Amongst our weaponry... are such elements as cheers, surprise....

I'll come in again.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:59 PM EDT (#65708) #
Heh, I'm laughing out loud over here.
_too embarrassed - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:00 PM EDT (#65709) #
cats and dogs rule!! arf arf meow meow!!
Craig B - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:01 PM EDT (#65710) #
Yessssssss!

CAT! DOG! CAT! DOG! CAT! DOG!
_Gwyn - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#65711) #
Schilling is up to 54 pitches already.

O-Dog was on my all-star ballot today.
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#65712) #
sweet! artificial turf only good for one thing.... well's singles on a high hopper!
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#65713) #
AHHH I can't believe I'm missing this!

Can you guys hear the drum?
Craig B - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:03 PM EDT (#65714) #
Well that's just excellent. Wells hits a Baltimore Chop for a single, it's 2-0.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:03 PM EDT (#65715) #
Varitek blocked the plate.
Craig B - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:04 PM EDT (#65716) #
He's killing us. Delgado, of all people, is killing this team.

If he's the worst of our problems, we will be very very lucky.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:04 PM EDT (#65717) #
Two double plays on us, and yet we are winning 2-0.

I don't know how it works, but it works for me.
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:05 PM EDT (#65718) #
i don't know about that call.... out at the plate but no decent replay... varitek did that against the A's last year in the playoffs I think...

Crap... 1 run at a time is small consolation.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:10 PM EDT (#65719) #
That was Boston's first hit?

GO BATISTA!
_Ron - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:11 PM EDT (#65720) #
Hopefully every catcher that plays Baseball saw what Varitek did, that was a very pretty defensive play.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:13 PM EDT (#65721) #
If Jerry says again what a beautiful night it is there, I'm going to cry.

Craig, there will be no GO trains tonight coming or going this way. I'm trying to find a drive back into Toronto.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:15 PM EDT (#65722) #
http://www.gotransit.com/publicroot/TodayServiceUpdate/ShowServiceException.asp
Though there will be a shuttle bus going your way, just not mine. COMN for the service update page.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:19 PM EDT (#65723) #
Jerry just called it a gorgeous night again.

Tom suggested that perhaps the win/loss split with the Dome open or closed (favoring open) could be leveraged in the Jays' traditionally slow April start...by opening the Dome in April.
Joe - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:25 PM EDT (#65724) #
http://me.woot.net
Think of it this way, Aaron:

You'll be here to see our 700 000th hit!

Uh, yeah. I'm reaching. Sorry.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#65725) #
Heh, that's okay. I'll have 50 other games to go to.

I hope the Cheer Club have figured out where I am and gathered themselves together.
Craig B - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#65726) #
Aaron, I'm actually going to work a while longer and accept the largesse of a firm-provided taxicab...
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#65727) #
Bad guys on the board. Time to get some more runs for the good guys.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#65728) #
Good score, Craig. I'd do that, except...well, I'd still be paying for the cab myself. Yay small business!
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:33 PM EDT (#65729) #
Tom and Mike are praising the Cheer Club drum on the radio!
_R Billie - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:33 PM EDT (#65730) #
It would still be 2-0 if Chris Gomez could catch a perfect throw from the catcher for an easy tag out.
Craig B - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:34 PM EDT (#65731) #
An EPIC at-bat by Cash. Terrific job.
_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:35 PM EDT (#65732) #
haha! The drum is getting it's props, getting compared to the Cleveland "drum guy"! Who's workin the drum tonight?
Craig B - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:36 PM EDT (#65733) #
DOG! CAT! DOG! CAT! DOG!
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#65734) #
o-dog o-dog.... chase him home cat man!
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#65735) #
Off the top of my head, Bird Droppings, SteveZ and Keith Talent should be there with the drum. It belongs to Bird Droppings.

O-DOG 3 FOR 3!
_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#65736) #
Orlando is THE MAN!
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:39 PM EDT (#65737) #
The story about O-Dog's sleeping habits was priceless. I love O-Dog more every day.

Let's go Cat! And my sushi has arrived! Life's looking up.
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:40 PM EDT (#65738) #
Oh man, I'm so sorry I'm not there.

O-Dog 3/3, drum banging, beating the Sox....

GO JAYS GO!!!!!
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:40 PM EDT (#65739) #
Hey, is this game on the radio?
_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:41 PM EDT (#65740) #
"One fine day with a woof and a purr, a baby was born that caused a little stir..... CATDOOO-OG, Caaa-atDOG!"

Has anybody else seen this cartoon?
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#65741) #
Yep, Fan 590.

Need an internet feed?
_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#65742) #
Andrew Edwards... www.980kruz.ca is the most reliable feed for me... it's still the Fan guys....
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#65743) #
Super, thanks guys.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#65744) #
Delgado, time to break out, baby!
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#65745) #
C'mon El Gato, bases loaded again... focus and wait for the pitch!
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#65746) #
RBI sac! Go small ball!

Joshua's turn.
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#65747) #
One day soon... hopefully tomorrow, El Gato is going to rip the ball.... just like Ortiz just did... doh!
_the shadow - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#65748) #
I'm afraid the Jays are wasting to many opportunities, hey Aaron as for the drum, you can't beat it(sorry)
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:54 PM EDT (#65749) #
Yay, a DP for us!
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:57 PM EDT (#65750) #
Schilling's done. Wow, only 5 innings for him.

Time to feast on some relief!
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#65751) #
RIGHT ON ERIC!
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:59 PM EDT (#65752) #
Schilling hurt? Hope not.

Well, double for Hinske off the much-easier-to-hit replacement.
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:59 PM EDT (#65753) #
Small ball!

Hinske to third on an infield bouncer.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#65754) #
Gomez moves Eric to third, and here's our old buddy Reed Johnson!

LET'S GO SPARKY! THINK OF THE HAMMER!
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:01 PM EDT (#65755) #
single by Johnson scores Hinkse.

GO JAYS GO!!!
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:01 PM EDT (#65756) #
YEAH! GO REED!
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#65757) #
Johnson to third, Cash on second on a throwing error.

GO JAYS GO
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:03 PM EDT (#65758) #
We'll take that.

And look who it is now. Hello again, Mister Hudson!

Anyone else think O-Dog owns the leadoff spot for the forseeable future?
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:05 PM EDT (#65759) #
Anyone else think O-Dog owns the leadoff spot for the forseeable future?

Yep. I was thinking the same thing. Better than Johnson, and with this game he looks like he 'responds well to hitting in the top of the order'.

If he leads off, puts up a .350 OBP, he'll score 100 runs, win a Gold Glove, and probably be the second best 2B in the league.
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#65760) #
4/4, single scores Johnson.

Sorry, third-best 2B in the league - forgot Boone.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#65761) #
FOUR FOR FOUR! THREE RUNS SCORED AND AN RBI FOR THE O-DOG!

Mike and Tom agree, O-Dog is the leadoff man tomorrow.

Keep it rolling, Cat!
Joe - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:08 PM EDT (#65762) #
http://me.woot.net
If I were J.P. Ricciardi, I would run, not walk, to phone O-Dog's agent.
Joe - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:08 PM EDT (#65763) #
http://me.woot.net
Andrew, who's 1st best if it's not Boone?
_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:08 PM EDT (#65764) #
OOOOHHHHHHH!
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#65765) #
Cat follows Dog, singles in Cash.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#65766) #
Amen to that, Joe. He's positively on fire!

Man, I should start sleeping in to 2pm.

Cat gets it done again!
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#65767) #
Andrew, who's 1st best if it's not Boone?

Soriano
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#65768) #
It is going to kill me to miss the next three games. This is awesome.
_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#65769) #
Yeah, who's better than O-Dog and Boone? They seemed liek the onyl two candidates for best AL 2B to me...
_Loveshack - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#65770) #
See Tosca, Cat can hit lefties.
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#65771) #
Tomorrow's headline: "Jays rain (cats and dogs) on Red Sox"
_the shadow - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#65772) #
Dog, Cat, arf, arf, meow, meow, I love it
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:12 PM EDT (#65773) #
Imagine what we can do to our position in the standings this weekend.

Let's go Vernon!
_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:12 PM EDT (#65774) #
Oops, Soriano ;-) Depends on how much you value defense, I guess...
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#65775) #
VW walks to load the bases for Carlos Delgado!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

THE HAMMER THE HAMMER
_Loveshack - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#65776) #
Is that bases loaded for Delgado...again?!?

Cmon Carlos!
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#65777) #
Bases loaded for Carlos.

Breakout time, Carlos. You can smell it.
Joe - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:14 PM EDT (#65778) #
http://me.woot.net
I take O-Dog's defense over the future centre (or left!) fielder Soriano's bat.

Delgado's trying to hit that ball into Woodbridge.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#65779) #
Eesh, the crowd are getting on Carlos.

Alrighty, Josh, Delgado has handed you a golden opportunity here.
_R Billie - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#65780) #
What a ridiculously bad at bat by Carlos. Three fastballs that weren't near hittable and he swings at all three with the bases loaded.
_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#65781) #
Internet radio is just a *little* behind you guys ;-) The bases loaded for Delgado bit sort of ruined the surprise...
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#65782) #
Delgado strikes out on three consecutive pitches in identical spots.

I don't want to say this, but if he's not catching up to 93mph fastballs inside... (a) we have a problem, (b) is he (*gulp*) hurt, and covering in his walk year? (please let me be wrong about that one)
_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#65783) #
Is this on Sportsnet? If so, I think it's time for bed...
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:19 PM EDT (#65784) #
I hope Carlos is just cold and will heat up. I'd hate to think he's hurt.

And yes, this game is on Sportsnet.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#65785) #
YEAH, GO JOSH GO!
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#65786) #
Dampn not completely unfrozen - two score on dropped line drive!!!!!!!!!!

Yes!
_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#65787) #
Thank you Aaron, and good night (and go Blue Jays!)
_Loveshack - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#65788) #
oooooo. bad night to be a Red Sox fan.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:23 PM EDT (#65789) #
I should have made that sign that said BOSTON ROB FINISHED SECOND AND SO WILL YOU.

I have now found a ride to the subway so I can get home, but it means I'll probably miss the 9th inning.

Well, the sushi was good.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:26 PM EDT (#65791) #
JKCL, that's Toronto for you.

6th K for Batista! Amongst all this offensive excitement, Batista is having a great game.
_Loveshack - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#65792) #
The booing was totally bush. The team is leading 6-2 and they boo the guy who has been the offense for several years, for some reason unbeknownst to baseball fans and known only to Torontonians.

Well I certainly don't agree with it and also think it's a disgrace, but the reason for the booing should be obvious.

Two thirds of the way through the game and Delgado has already been up twice with the bases loaded and has but a single RBI to show for it. Not what you want to see from your cleanup hitter.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#65793) #
I can hear the drum on the radio.
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#65794) #
104 pitches, just walked Pokey f'in Reese.

Batista has pitched well, but he's done for today.
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#65795) #
Well, my ride will be here any minute to transport me home. Keep the cheering going for me.
_R Billie - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#65796) #
If you know Batista will likely hit his pitch count in the current inning, why don't you have pitchers warming up behind him so they'll be ready if he puts a couple of men on? Why wait until several men get on base before you even start warming people up?

Now Batista is out of the game and a run scores against him and two men are still on base and your reliever gives up an RBI single and falls behind the next hitter 2-0. I'll never understand the bullpen management. 5th run scores and Ramirez comes to the plate as the tying run with just 1 out. Pathetic display of management.
_Loveshack - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:38 PM EDT (#65797) #
Well, thanks for nothing Kershner. Aquilino to face Manny.
_Lefty - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:38 PM EDT (#65798) #
Lets go A-Lo, lets go.
_R Billie - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#65799) #
This is a trend with Tosca. I have repeatedly seen him try to stretch the starting pitchers beyond their breaking points, not bothering to give them relief until they actually DO break. It's just crazy.
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#65800) #
Oh god.

Ramirez singles, 4 straight Red Sox hits, 8-6 good guys.
_R Billie - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#65801) #
Four freaking runs later it's finally over. The Jays find themselves back in a save situation now.
_the shadow - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:43 PM EDT (#65802) #
Disgusting BP management
_Lefty - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:44 PM EDT (#65803) #
Starting from the assumption this team *does* not have a closer the offense better not start feeling sorry for itself. Timlin is in next and has been very hittable this season.
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#65804) #
Thor leads off with a double.

THE HAMMER
_Paul D - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#65805) #
I'm going to the game Sat and I have a question.
Can I bring a gym bag into the Dome? I'm staying overnight in town, and I'm going straight to the Dome when I get into town.
Thanks.
_mudcrutch - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:48 PM EDT (#65806) #
I come into towns a lot of weekends, and go straight to the dome. Don't bring anything prohibited, and you won't have a problem.
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#65807) #
I heard the OOOOOOOHHHHHHH! For O-Dog on the radio.
_Paul D - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#65808) #
Thanks mudcrutch

Has anyone tried the "Vernon vernon vernon vernon" to Ole ole ole ole yet?
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:53 PM EDT (#65809) #
Hudson walks.

THE HAMMER!
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#65810) #
Someone please delete #139.
_R Billie - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#65811) #
I don't think Delgado has a problem. He's just swinging at ridiculously bad pitches. A 93 mph fastball on the inside corner he has to be able to reach. The same pitch inside off the plate at his shoulders he has no business swinging at.
_mathesond - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#65812) #
That's gonna get deleted
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:56 PM EDT (#65813) #
The FAN 590 guys just said that McGowan had a pre-existing tear in his elbow. JP says they knew this was coming.
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#65814) #
Oh God. Any admins around to ban this crap.

Cat drives in two.
_Paul D - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:58 PM EDT (#65815) #
Seems strange that a team would take a risk with a player like that. If they knew he had a tear, wouldn't you want to get that fixed as soon as possible? On the other hand, I'm no doctor.
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#65816) #
O-dog and Cat are on a mission baby!
_R Billie - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#65817) #
This game has gotten UG-ly. Another defensive error by Boston allows two more Jays runs to score courtesy of Cat's third double of the game. Hopefully they can hold on the last two innings.
_NDG - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#65818) #
Top two in the order: 8-9, 6R, 5rbi, 1BB

Now thats effective
_the shadow - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:01 PM EDT (#65819) #
I think the dog and cat are getting worn out running the bases
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:02 PM EDT (#65821) #
Good thing this site tracks IP addresses. Somebody might be getting their ISP connection cancelled soon...

Ugly game, but fun to watch!
_R Billie - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:02 PM EDT (#65822) #
If they knew he had a tear, wouldn't you want to get that fixed as soon as possible?

I would think so too. But maybe the tear wasn't big enough to actually warrant surgery. McGowan felt well enough to throw the ball so he did. I mean I'm sure the Jays aren't stupid and consulted medical professionals about what to do. It may have just been inevitable and the poor recent performances gave them incentive to take care of it now.
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#65824) #
JKCL:

Nice sentiment, but don't engage. Don't let it ruin the thread. He'll be banned soon enough.
_NDG - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#65825) #
V-Dub looks a lot better tonight. Schilling kept throwing that high and outside stuff that he was swinging wildly at a few weeks ago, but now he's showing some discipline.

Delgado is looking horrible though. But at least he has a track record of looking horrible for week long stretches, and normally rebounds nicely.
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#65826) #
I repeat: IP address tracking.

That means you could end up in jail moron.
_Gwyn - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#65827) #
I banned that IP address. Sorry I didnt catch him earlier.
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#65828) #
Schilling kept throwing that high and outside stuff that he was swinging wildly at a few weeks ago, but now he's showing some discipline.

Didn't notice that - glad to see it.

Frasor's strugling a little bit. Come on, Jays, keep it together.
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#65829) #
I've never seen El Gato look quite so hopeless though... almost like he's been cursed !
_S.K. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:12 PM EDT (#65830) #
No one here to delete those messages?
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:12 PM EDT (#65831) #
Yes!!!

6-3 Groundout, Frasor scrapes through.
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#65832) #
Delgado leads off with a Texas Leaguer.
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#65833) #
El Gato breaks thru! Manny feeling sorry for his fellow slugger :)
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:16 PM EDT (#65834) #
Phelps line drive single, first and second, nobody out.
_R Billie - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:16 PM EDT (#65835) #
The Red Sox are living proof that you don't have to play good defence to be a contending team. A "single" for Delgado to start the 9th inning.
_S.K. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:16 PM EDT (#65836) #
Thanks, mystery admin.
Don't forget #154, and maybe 149 as well if it's the same guy (though that's not so much offensive as just plain moronic).
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:19 PM EDT (#65837) #
Double play, Delgado on third, two out.
_philip - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#65838) #
just ignore him/her and they'll eventually go away, or else have every ip address banned
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#65839) #
Thor walks. Sparky up, first and third.
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#65840) #
Sparky triples in two runs.
_Jordan - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#65841) #
Folks, we're working on the troll problem. Please just ignore them whenever you see one pop up. Thanks.
_Lefty - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#65842) #
YeeHoo, no save situation!!
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#65843) #
Jays kickin' it baby! Everybody's got their hitting shoes on.

Red Sox D has been horrible... good sign for future.
_philip - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#65844) #
can the jays leave frasor in and let him try for the save, or would he still be able to get credit for one?
_Lefty - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#65845) #
Way ta go Jordan, sound advice. I'm starting to kind like you statheads a little more now. :->
_Loveshack - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:27 PM EDT (#65846) #
One out to go. Cmon Frasor!
_the shadow - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:28 PM EDT (#65847) #
Frasor to close it out, could this be the start of something big...
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:28 PM EDT (#65848) #
Atta boys!! Jays fight the good fight tonight!!
_Rob - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#65849) #
Chris: see Jordan's comment, post 170.
_subculture - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#65850) #
On this board tonight, God apparently has the mentality of a 9-year old sexually confused racist who is up past his bed time.

O-Dog on the other hand PLAYED like GOD tonight!! And Cat man too!
_Chris B. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#65851) #
Frasor has to come down in the zone abit. He has the stuff though..
_Jordan - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#65852) #
Folks, again I say: do not feed the trolls. They're looking for attention, and the more responses they get, the longer they'll be here. Ignore them. Please.
_Chris B. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#65853) #
This site has hit the bigtime. We finally have our own obnxious, ignorant troll. Damn it took long enough.
_Ryan Lind - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:38 PM EDT (#65854) #
Hopefully every catcher that plays Baseball saw what Varitek did, that was a very pretty defensive play.

This is something I have never understood about baseball. When a shortstop obstructs a runner going to third, it's interference. When a catcher obstructs a runner from scoring, its a "prett defensive play."

I can't stand catchers blocking the plate. It's just so stupid to me.
_Tassle - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:38 PM EDT (#65855) #
Alright, so this is Hudson's age 26 season, typically close to the peak of a player's career. Coming into the season, he was already a fantastic defensive second baseman, and hit serviceably vs. Right handers. Hitting Lefties was, of course, his major flaw. Now RAKING vs. righties, with a decent 833 OPS vs. lefties, and he's on pace to shatter his home run high of 9 from last year. Is this the second coming of Robbie Alomar?
_Chris B. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#65856) #
Just imagine if we didn't deal Michael Young away?? ODawg and Young?? Though I will say that Young never was projected to be this potent a hitter. Darwin Cubillan and Young for Loiaza. Ouch!!
_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:45 PM EDT (#65857) #
JP's on the radio talkign about McGowan. He's basically just saying "TINSTAAPP".

He called Roger Clemens a "freak" for never having surgery.
_Ryan Day - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:47 PM EDT (#65858) #
Darwin Cubillan and Young for Loiaza. Ouch!!

Actually, that's not too bad for a guy who almost won the Cy Young. ;)
_Rob - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:49 PM EDT (#65859) #
Ugh. E------ L----a.

It's like fans in Buffalo realizing Rob Johnson won a Super Bowl ring.
_Loveshack - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#65860) #
"TINSTAAPP"

You people with all your acronyms. Somebody want to fill me in on what that stands for? It took me two months to figure out COMN. Oh and while you're at it what does the "OOGY" stand for in ROOGY and LOOGY? I know what they mean I just can't figure out the words to fit the acronym.
_Gwyn - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:55 PM EDT (#65861) #
Loveshack : There is No Such Thing As A Pitching Prospect
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#65862) #
I got on the subway just as we made it 10-6. Nice to know we pulled off two more!

Man, I am so absolutely bummed that I didn't get to go to this game. But what a fantastic win.
_Lefty - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:58 PM EDT (#65863) #
Alright, so this is Hudson's age 26 season, typically close to the peak of a player's career. Coming into the season, he was already a fantastic defensive second baseman, and hit serviceably vs. Right handers. Hitting Lefties was, of course, his major flaw. Now RAKING vs. righties, with a decent 833 OPS vs. lefties, and he's on pace to shatter his home run high of 9 from last year. Is this the second coming of Robbie Alomar?

Respectfully, I think age 26 generally represents the year players come into their own. It used to be 27 yrs. old was the rule of thumb but I think with players pricing themselves out of usefulness and as well better player developement has alot to do with the notion of when you think an average player is fully developed. I do not think this applies to outstanding talents like Vernon, Manny etc.

As far as the next Robbie, well I for one will wait and hope your speculation proves correct but O-Dog was never projected by the so-called experts to be an outstanding talent whereas Alomar was. The Jays traded alot to get him from the Padres, as I recall it was Tony Fernandez and Crime-Dog but my old memory might be failing me.

Perspective, lets enjoy the O-Dog ride and hope he continues to suprise. After all there were alot of very good baseball minds on this site itching for the prospects to push Orlando aside.

All the best
_Rob - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:59 PM EDT (#65864) #
L/ROOGY is Lefty/Righty One Out GuY, and if you don't know any others, like I did for a while, check out the FAQ at the top left.
_Jonny German - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 11:00 PM EDT (#65865) #
J.P. just said that Howie Clark has been sent to AAA and Simon Pond has been recalled.
_the shadow - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 11:00 PM EDT (#65866) #
From JP-Pond up and Howie down
_Loveshack - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 11:01 PM EDT (#65867) #
Thanks Gwinn and Rob, and for pointing me to the faq (now that's an anagram I understand) ;)
_Loveshack - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 11:03 PM EDT (#65868) #
whoops. Of course I mean acronym.
_Chris B. - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 11:03 PM EDT (#65869) #
Big start for the Tatt-man tomorrow. We need 3 of 4 against the 'Sawwxxxxx.
_Chuck Van Den C - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 12:01 AM EDT (#65871) #
So does Cat move to right and Pond to left?

I predict Pond's first start will come as a DH.
_Lefty - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 12:08 AM EDT (#65872) #
JP on The Fan tonite seemed to indicate that indeed Pond will get some at bats. So it appears to me that those may come at the expense of Phelps in the first instance and perhaps Carlos. I do have a sneaking suspision that C.D. isn't entirely sound and that would move Phelps to first base and Pond to DH. I don't think you can take Sparkies "d" out of the outfield and replace it with the likes of Pond or Berg.
_Tassle - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 12:14 AM EDT (#65873) #
The Jays traded alot to get him from the Padres, as I recall it was Tony Fernandez and Crime-Dog but my old memory might be failing me.

Yeah, it was Fernandez and Mcgriff for Carter and Alomar. Probably the best trade in franchise history, but certainly not all about Robbie. As I recall, Joe could hit a little too :)
_Nolan - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 12:28 AM EDT (#65874) #
Got a quick question: Just came to the site after the game cause I love reading all the comments and whatnot and am a little confused- Could someone enlighten me on what happened on the site tonight? I don't want details or want to feed the Troll, but just curious as to what went on...
_Lefty - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 12:37 AM EDT (#65875) #
Nolan you really don't want to know, honest.

Tassle, absolutely could cream a ball and not bad with a runner on third with less than two outs. It was sure nice to see him on the KC broadcast this week. I only ever saved one Baseball Weekly. Last week of October 1993 edition. Carter sitting on top of his team mates shoulders.
robertdudek - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 12:37 AM EDT (#65876) #
I don't want details or want to feed the Troll, but just curious as to what went on...

Some people of questionable intelligence tried to sidetrack the discussion of the game.
_Lefty - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 12:40 AM EDT (#65877) #
Robert, its late back east you really ought to get some shut eye, theres a big game tomorrow.
robertdudek - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 12:44 AM EDT (#65878) #
Okay. I'm still pumped from the game (I got home at 11:45)
_Lefty - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 12:45 AM EDT (#65879) #
But if your still up I am curious of your general assesment of Justin Miller so far, for real or a bright flash and how you see him matching up with the Bo-Sox tomorrow. The second part of that question is a bit tougher I think though because Boston has alot of weapons on the bench.
_Lefty - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 12:47 AM EDT (#65880) #
What a game to be at. Yeah I'd be stoked as well. Heck I am. These are the kind of games that build comradeship between team mates. Especially gives confidence to the like of Lopez and Frasor.
_Jobu - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 12:58 AM EDT (#65881) #
I just got back to and I dont want to rub it in so I'll just say I had a amazing time at tonights game. The drum was going, it was getting its props, the HAMMER was doing its thing and then some. We chased away a lot of boston fans. Started some whack cheers like the random "MUELLER" (MEW-lar) shouts. Hope I can make fridays game.
_Lefty - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 01:08 AM EDT (#65882) #
Named for Hank is going to be so delighted, and dare I say jealous.
_bird droppings - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 01:28 AM EDT (#65883) #
First off, bringin' out the drum sure rallied the troops... It's magical powers caused holes to form in all the Sox players gloves tonight...

I have to give props to Aaron for getting permission and encouraging me to bring it out. Although a rookie baseball drum beater, I must say the response to the drum was completely positive and that I almost didn't suck the entire game.

I'll be back Friday night to lead the Fightin' Jays off the ship and on to dry land... it's time to take to the high grounds of the AL East and I think taking advantage of a Lowe tide could help spark another streak...

Same BAT time, same BAT place... get it? Bat, as in baseball BAT! Hilarious. If you have no idea what I am talking about, that'd mean met the Cheer Club up at Section 518, 7ish. I'll be there... you'll be there, it'll be like a party but instead of tryin' to pick up girls and drinkin' beer we'll watch a baseball game, cheer our faces off, and um... drink beer. Good times to be had by all.
_Jobu - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 01:37 AM EDT (#65884) #
In case anyone is interested, our doppelganger site (SoSH) has already posted excuses for the Jays win tonight, claiming Boston has had an unfair travel schedule. Well, at least they weren't ripping the Skydome and it's fans again.
_Tim - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 01:57 AM EDT (#65885) #
You Toronto fans don't know how lucky you have it. Stuck out here in Vancouver as I am I don't get the chance to join the cheer club. This year the Jays are only visiting Seattle for one series of mid-week games, so I don't think I'll even get to go.

Good to see that Pond has been called back up. Both Phelps and Delgado look lost at the plate right now. I wouldn't mind seeing Pond getting time replacing either of them until they get themselves sorted out. (Especially since Pond is a good Vancouver boy)!
_Matt - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 06:09 AM EDT (#65886) #
I really hope that today's game solidifies reed as THE starting RF'er regardless of the stupid rightie/leftie crap... I have been a big rj fan since he came up last yr...

gota love his range in right along with that cannon of an arm he brings... furthermore, his fleet-footed-ness and slap-buntin' saavy leed to base hits a many... I want him on there everyday... clark and berg in the starting lineup just drives me nuts... platoons only work when there is someone of comprable talent to platoon with!!! blah...

Anyways... I'll have to glue myself to the set for the lowe v. tatu affair... I'm vacationing for the summer on van island and all I wanna do is watch my jays... I must beware the dwarf....
Named For Hank - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 07:08 AM EDT (#65887) #
Named for Hank is going to be so delighted, and dare I say jealous.

So jealous, so jealous. Sometimes life is just plain unfair.

Hey, Droppings, what days are you coming on the weekend so I can let the Jays know?
_Paul D - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 08:55 AM EDT (#65888) #
Did anyone catch the guy that called JP and started to compare Delgado to Carter, and how Delgado isn't measuring up?

However, I thought that most of the questions were pretty good.
_Jordan - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 09:18 AM EDT (#65889) #
Did anyone catch the guy that called JP and started to compare Delgado to Carter, and how Delgado isn't measuring up?

The funny thing is, that guy was probably on the phone ten years ago comparing Carter to George Bell and complaining how Carter wasn't measuring up. I've never listened to a day of talk radio in my life -- sports, news, politics, anything -- and my life feels none the poorer.
_Keith Talent - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 09:20 AM EDT (#65890) #
Wasn't in the cheer club because my friends wanted field level seats. We got second row down the first-base line. Looking up I could see the drum and the hammer. At times I could hear the drum (barely), others I couldn't. Maybe it needs to come down to field-level?

From I distance I saw this one dude carrying the hammer listening to headphones going towards the subway. Who was that?

Great game. I was really grumpy that it was only 2-0 and not 6-0 after three innings but I cheered up.

O-Dog is a star in the making and a fine leadoff man.

My biggest cheer of the night came when Howie Clark was pulled from the game. Damn: Howie was just an anchor on the bottom third of the order: what's he doing there?

Delgado was pressing. He was taking mighty, exaggerated cuts, trying to get two grand-slams on one swing. I'm sure he'll come around.

Remember: in baseball you never have your *entire* lineup hot at the same time.
_R Billie - Friday, May 14 2004 @ 01:28 PM EDT (#65891) #
Did anyone catch the guy that called JP and started to compare Delgado to Carter, and how Delgado isn't measuring up?

That guy calls all the time. Anyone who'd want Carter over Delgado can't be helped.
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