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Jays 3 - Orioles 0

  1. Recaps:

    • Spencer Fordin:

        In baseball and boxing, the hit that hurts you is the one you never see coming. Toronto's leadoff hitter scored a flash knockdown with a fluke hit on Wednesday night, temporarily separating Matt Riley from his senses.

        The home team's first batter buzzed Baltimore's starter with a bounder through the box, catching him right under the chin. Riley went down hard and stayed down for a few moments, but the Orioles revived him and got a tremendous pitching performance for their efforts.

    • Gary Washburn:

        Riley walked seven batters but allowed just one run and just two runners to reach third base. It had all the makings of a feel-good story toward the end of a another trying season for the Orioles, but they mustered nothing off Ted Lilly and Riley ended up with a hard-luck loss.

        Yet, with the Orioles being out of the race months ago, the club is focusing on the prospects for next season. Riley has been an enigma the past few years and is trying to prove he belongs in the big leagues. Perhaps rising from that knockdown did something to help his case.

    • Mike Ganter:

        Lilly, who won for the 11th time this year, gave the Jays eight innings of solid shutout baseball backed by fine outfield plays from both Johnson and their rookie right fielder Rios.

        Johnson nailed Javy Lopez trying to stretch a long single into a double in the second inning.

        In the seventh, Rios gunned down a speed-challenged Rafael Palmeiro at the plate as he attempted to score from second on a two-out single by Jose Leon.

        Rios charged the ball nicely and calmly threw home to a waiting Gregg Zaun who had the plate sufficiently covered.

    • CP:

        Lilly (11-10) allowed six hits over eight innings. He walked two and struck out six. The lefty is 9-5 with a 3.05 ERA in night games this season.

        Toronto scored two insurance runs in the eighth thanks to an RBI single by Carlos Delgado and a throwing error by Melvin Mora.

        Justin Speier worked the ninth for his sixth save in 10 chances before a sparse SkyDome crowd of 19,942.

    • Larry Millson:

        After Johnson's leadoff hit, he didn't allow another until Delgado lined a single to right field with one out in the sixth inning. That moved Wells, who had walked, to take third base. But Rios grounded into a double play to end the inning, giving the Orioles a total of three double plays in the game.

        The Orioles threatened in the seventh inning, but Palmeiro, who had doubled with two out, was thrown out at home by Rios when he tried to score on Jose Leon's single to right field.

        It was Rios's 10th assist of the season.

    • Allan Ryan:

        In winning back-to-back outings for the first time since June 2 and 8, the team's lone lefty also served up 70 per cent strikes (78 of 112) but agreed that two other strikes helped immensely.

        In the second inning, Johnson had gunned down Javy Lopez trying to stretch a one-out single into two bases (which, naturally, was followed by another single that now meant nothing).

        And, with two down in the seventh, the score still 1-0, Alex Rios steamed a one-hopper to the plate from right that nailed Rafael Palmeiro trying to score on a Jose Leon single.



  2. Fordin Notes on a new batting line-up and a scheduling change:

      If you planned on catching the Blue Jays in Yankee Stadium, your travel itinerary just got pushed up a day. Toronto's series in New York will run from Monday through Wednesday, as opposed to Tuesday through Thursday. That move was made to accommodate the Yanks, who still have a makeup game against Tampa Bay to get out of the way.

    In a seperate issue, why did Mike Wilner get Rosh Hashanah off but Spencer Fordin still had to work? What's the deal with that?

  3. Ganter Notes on the scheduling change and a golf tournament:

      The Blue Jays Care Foundation was the big winner in the team's annual ninth annual charity golf tournament on Tuesday.

      The tournament raised $85,000.

      Individually the big winners on the day were the foursome of pitching coach Gil Patterson, bullpen coach Bruce Walton, first base coach Joe Breeden and equipment manager Jeff Ross.

      That quartet won the best-ball tournament with a score of 14-under-par on the tough King Valley layout.


  4. Now that Carlos Delgado is likely leaving the media seems to be treating him with a lot more respect. Case in point: Bob Elliott's "Last chance to see Carlos?":

      There will be bidders for Delgado. You can't walk by a scout or a general manager without him asking about Delgado.

      Is he healthy? As a horse.

      Is he a leader? He leads by example.

      Is he a good guy? Every father should hope his son has the same qualities.

      Why didn't he waive his no-trade? Because, from July 30 until opening day the following year, he didn't want to play for three teams -- the Jays, Team A as a hired gun and Team B as an off-season signing.

      Does he want to stay here? Athletes in the free-agent era are knocked for jumping from one club to another for an extra dollar. This guy was knocked for wanting to stay with his team.


    I do agree with Elliott on the last point. Blasting Delgado for not waiving his no-trade clause was unnecessary.

  5. Many people have been impressed by the arm of Alexis Rios. In "Rios's rockets find target" Larry Millson indicates that Gregg Zaun is among the impressed:

      The thing about Alexis Rios's throws from right field, Toronto Blue Jays catcher Gregg Zaun was saying, is how much they move.

      But they always seem to find Zaun at home plate. Last night's throw in the seventh inning caught the Baltimore Orioles' Rafael Palmeiro at home to preserve a 1-0 lead and give the rookie right fielder 10 assists.


  6. I'm a little surprised we haven't heard more about Chris Carpenter from the Blue Jays press. Richard Griffin's "Jays whiffed badly on Carpenter" attempts to fill that void:

      The Jays outrighted his contract to Triple-A on Oct. 4, 2002, knowing he would refuse and opt for free agency. If they had kept him on the 40-man roster, he could have filed for arbitration and won millions, even though surgery to repair a labrum tear would keep him out of action for most of '03. The budget didn't allow it.

      "They didn't feel I was going to get a major-league contract," Carpenter recalled. "But, there were about five or six teams that were going to offer me a major-league contract, to give me the opportunity to rehab and come back and pitch for them. I came and talked to (Cards GM) Walt (Jocketty). I knew some of the guys on the team and knew they had a chance to win. It's a great organization."


  7. Tonight's 7:05PM EST start at the Dome: A battle of righties as RHP Rodrigo Lopez (12-8, 3.86 ERA) faces RHP Miguel Batista (10-11, 4.64 ERA).

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_gp - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 09:26 AM EDT (#29469) #
They played like a well oiled machine last night. Too bad Bush did not pitch last night
Pistol - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 09:58 AM EDT (#29470) #
Admittedly, I didn't read the article, but I think it's pretty silly to criticize the Jays for not keeping Carpenter around because he's having success 2 years later. When disposable income is at a minimum you don't take chances on someone with shoulder problems.

In winning back-to-back outings for the first time since June 2 and 8, the team's lone lefty also served up 70 per cent strikes (78 of 112) but agreed that two other strikes helped immensely.

You know, I can see you Canadians adding a random 'u' to certain words (like favourite), or even re-arranging letters (like centre), but I've never understood how percent was two words.
_Upset in Saskat - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 10:12 AM EDT (#29471) #
First just let me tell you how disappointed I am. I am coming to Toronto for work from Sept 19 to Oct 1 from SK. and I figure I would be able to take in atleast 6-7 Jays games and finally see a game in the Skydome. Maybe even sit with the Cheer Club and get to bang the drum. I look at the schedule and with shock discover that the Jays will not be playing one single game well I am in town. You cannot imagine how disappointed I am, especially since I am close enough that I could have walked to all the games.

My trip will not be a total lose if someone can point me in the direction of a good pub to watch the Jays games and even the NFL. A good pub to me is they have lots of TVís and a very, very large selection of beer on tap. Of course good chicken wings is a must. If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it. I am staying on Richmond St. E a couple of blocks from the Eaton Centre.

Please just post or email me your suggestions of Pubs to goto. Thanks in advance for all your help.

I love this site, especially the coverage on the minor league side. Keep up the good work. I am also in the camp that believes that Carlos will be back next year with a hometown discount.
_Jonny German - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#29472) #
Hey Pistol... it's not Canadians adding extra Us and rearranging letters, it's Americans taking out Us and rearranging letters.

That said, there are some Americanisms I can't avoid... Percent is one word for me, and "Toronto were not very good this year." just sounds completely wrong. Grammatically, that is.
_Skills - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 10:25 AM EDT (#29473) #
Jonny, I'm pretty sure it sounds completely wrong, because it is completely wrong.
_Ken - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 10:25 AM EDT (#29474) #
Pistol- that's how words were originally spelt in English, you Americans decided to change them. ;) Gotta go with you on percent though, I think most people would agree on the 1 word spelling.
_Moffatt - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 10:26 AM EDT (#29475) #
They played like a well oiled machine last night. Too bad Bush did not pitch last night

Excellent work gp! Any relation to dp?

The song was Machinehead by Bush. You win 100 million points, a picture of Machine Head by Deep Purple:



and of course, a picture of a strange sea creature:



It's a spider crab!
Pistol - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 10:35 AM EDT (#29476) #
"Toronto were not very good this year." just sounds completely wrong. Grammatically, that is.

I think it sounds wrong to most Americans. I can't say I've ever heard it spoken that way. You would have to consider Toronto to be plural to say it that way.
robertdudek - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 10:40 AM EDT (#29477) #
In British English, nouns refering to groups of people, even those singular in form, very often take plural nouns. For example, they would say, "the Government are looking into the matter" and "Arsenal have clinched the league championship with a 2-nil victory".
_Spicol - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 10:56 AM EDT (#29478) #
The writer's use of per cent is fine. It's a shortened version of per centum, which means by the hundred.

Back to baseball. Good game last night. Just think: Russ Adams will probably still improve.
_Spicol - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 10:59 AM EDT (#29479) #
Good game last night. Just think: Russ Adams will probably still improve.

Those were two separate thoughts, by the way. I'm a big fan of Adams already, although I don't see Walt Weiss in him at all.
_Smack - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 10:59 AM EDT (#29480) #
Well do you say percapita or perpiece. Hm, perpiece sounds very similiar to herpies.
Mike D - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 11:00 AM EDT (#29481) #
Hey, how about some love for Upset in Saskatchewan? I haven't lived in T.O. since '98, so my suggestions would be rather dated.
_sweat - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 11:06 AM EDT (#29482) #
I feel your pain upset in saskatchewan. Maybe you should try to take in a night or sunday game in a nearby major league city. thats what I would do.
On a side note, a guy got beaned in the nose last night in my mens league playoff game. His nose was broken badly and there was more than a little blood involved.
_Moffatt - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 11:09 AM EDT (#29483) #
On a side note, a guy got beaned in the nose last night in my mens league playoff game. His nose was broken badly and there was more than a little blood involved.

Isn't that the worst? When you get it right on the nose.

The worst I've seen happened this year to an outfielder on one of my rec league slow-pitch teams. A line-drive down the left-field line. The guy is going to try and play it off the first hop, but it lands on a rock and takes a direct route right to his nose. I swear there was more blood on the field than was on him. One of the ugliest things I've ever seen.

The weird thing is, I play the outfield because I thought I'd be safe from bad hops there. Go figure.
_Paul Z. - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 11:19 AM EDT (#29484) #
Worst sporting accident that I've been on the field for:

In a middle-tier in the corporate co-ed softball league (no windmill pitching), the pitcher took a screaming comebacker right in the mouth. Needed a ton of surgery and his mouth was wired shut for quite a while. Spooked me off of pitching forever.
_Blue in SK - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 11:22 AM EDT (#29485) #
Men's slo-pith team, our power hitter lines one to a rather overweight, slow moving pitcher - straight on his proboscis. Immediate splattering of blood. I had a towel in my bag, and ran out to give it to the poor guy. His face was a mess.

Later that week, I'm throwing some BP while we wait for a game during a tourney and a team mate rips one through the box at me. I could see it coming at me in like it was happening in slo-mo, but could not move. It hits the bill of my cap, knocks it off my head and I escape injury free. My cap is ruined, the bill is pushed back so far. The guy thought he killed me, and truth be told I thought I was dead.
_Moffatt - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 11:26 AM EDT (#29486) #
And people wonder why pitchers are flaky. You have to be a bit nuts to put yourself at that kind of risk.

I was going to be a pitcher on one of my teams next year but after hearing these stories, I think I'll stick with CF.
_Prisoner of Ham - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#29487) #
My two cents for worst sporting accident:

A bunch of ten-year-olds (I was one of them) are forced to share the field at school during recess with a bunch of big kids. They get the diamond, we have to make do playing our own game at the back of the outfield.

One of the big kids hits a long fly ball. They yell "Heads up!" And, of course, we all do. Bam! The ball comes down and hits one of my friends square in the eye. The resulting gore nearly made me throw up. He lost the eye.
Pistol - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 11:32 AM EDT (#29488) #
I was going to be a pitcher on one of my teams next year but after hearing these stories, I think I'll stick with CF.

In college I wasn't satisfied with the control of our pitcher in a slow pitch league so I decided to move in from CF and give it a try. I was scared back after I had a hard liner come right back at me and only stopped it from drilling me in the chest by getting my glove up in time.
Pistol - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#29489) #
Just think: Russ Adams will probably still improve.

OBP/SLG:
.417/.625

Watch out Bonds!
_MatO - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 11:48 AM EDT (#29490) #
Worst thing I ever saw was at a Jays game in the 80's. I'm sitting in the bleachers when an opposing player hits a high fly ball that just clears the fence in left. A kid is standing there with his glove ready to catch the ball but misses it and it hits him right in the nose with a disgusting crack. Still makes me queasy when I think about it.
_Andrew Ward - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 12:02 PM EDT (#29491) #
Robert, with all due respect, your two examples are incorrect:

"the Government is looking..." "Arsenal has clinched..."
They are institutions and are treated as singular. (and yes, I am English). The "ou" parts of our spelling came from the 25,000 French words introduced into the English language after the Norman conquest in 1066.
Switching back from Cliff Clavin Jr. mode now :-)
_Robert E Lee - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#29492) #
Spicol made a good call on Adams=Weiss and I agree he doesn't and I've never seen the resemblance of Jason Arnold to Greg Maddux or Felipe Lopez to Miguel Tejada either!!
_Jacko - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 12:22 PM EDT (#29493) #

My trip will not be a total lose if someone can point me in the direction of a good pub to watch the Jays games and even the NFL. A good pub to me is they have lots of TVís and a very, very large selection of beer on tap. Of course good chicken wings is a must. If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it. I am staying on Richmond St. E a couple of blocks from the Eaton Centre

Hey Saskatchewan, sorry to hear about the bad timing.

What you're asking for may be difficult to find. The best wings in town are not to be had at sports bars. I'm fairly partial to Duffs (Bayview & Eglinton) and Einstein's (College, west of Spadina).

As far as sports bars are concerned, there's a Hooters on Adelaide just west of where you're staying, but I know a lot of people who find their food a little greasy.

Other spots with lotsa TV's:

Hoops -- Yonge St., just north of College (subway: college station, yellow line)

Sports Centre Cafe -- St. Clair, just west of Yonge (subway: st. clair, yellow line)

Also, Wayne Gretzky's near the Skydome is a little overpriced and overrated, but probably worth a visit.

Finally, you can do your own search on toronto.com to see what you can dig up. There's a place on Front St. called Bottom Line that I've never heard of that got pretty good reviews. The Harbour Sports Grille down at the foot of Yonge St. is also supposed to be pretty good.
_alsiem - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 12:31 PM EDT (#29494) #
Shoeless Joe's is a sports bar too. Food is average.

My worst baseball injury was a liner off my forearm. It bruised all the tendons so I couldn't bend my fingers wihout a lot of pain. I had this gnarled claw for two days.
_Ducey - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 12:44 PM EDT (#29495) #
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3465
BP has the Jays in the Triple Play today COMN
_Four Seamer - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 12:46 PM EDT (#29496) #
My worst baseball injury was a torn bicep, sustained in practice one year. My arm was already hurting, but I decided to try and make a throw across the infield from behind third base in foul territory, off my back foot no less. As my arm went past my ear, I heard a pop, like a cap gun going off. Next thing I knew I was on the ground. When I got up (it hadn't begun to hurt yet), I noticed my forearm dangling like a pendulum below my elbow. That was about when it started to hurt, and I've never felt anything like it, before or since. Thank goodness.
_Sister - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#29497) #
The Peel Pub (on King St.) also does a solid job of showing sporting events, that is, if they have not been closed again due to a liquor license violation.

The Elephant and Castle, also on King St., shows the game and has a better selection of beer and has an authentic English-style pub feel.
_ScottS - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 01:07 PM EDT (#29498) #
Worst sporting accident that I've been on the field for:

In a middle-tier in the corporate co-ed softball league (no windmill pitching), the pitcher took a screaming comebacker right in the mouth. Needed a ton of surgery and his mouth was wired shut for quite a while. Spooked me off of pitching forever.


You know, I was going to post the very same story...and then I checked the name of the poster, and sure enough, it was the the same game.

Hey Paul! Are you still in Ottawa?
_sweat - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 01:35 PM EDT (#29499) #
As bad as the nose breaking was, it didnt quite compare to when my brother took a shorthop in the mouth, he dropped like a ton of bricks, while holding his mouth. My non-athletic mother was watching from the stands(one of the few games she went to) and when she saw him hit the ground, she ran down the bleacher and jumped a 4 foot high fence. For blood and laughs, it was an all-around winner.
My worst baseball related injury involved me pitching with out proper warm up and my rotator cuff partially tearing. Its one of those sounds that you hear through your body. My arm is finally feeling like it used to, 6 years later.
_Jobu - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 01:50 PM EDT (#29500) #
You want funny baseball injuries? Friends high school team a couple years back. One kid on the team, the token awful player, never made CONTACT with the ball all year. Not even a foul tip. Benched all season long after first few games. Last game of the year he gets the call to pinch hit and lay down a bunt. Comes up to bat and bunts it directly into his eye. The fact that he wasnt hurt too bad makes it even funnier.
_Moffatt - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 01:52 PM EDT (#29501) #
One kid on the team, the token awful player, never made CONTACT with the ball all year. Not even a foul tip. Benched all season long after first few games. Last game of the year he gets the call to pinch hit and lay down a bunt. Comes up to bat and bunts it directly into his eye.

Ouch. Self-inflicted wounds suck.

The only time I've broken anything is when I fouled a pitch off of my foot and broke two toes. Damn did that hurt.
_Upset in Saskat - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 01:55 PM EDT (#29502) #
Thanks Jacko and Alsiem for the bar tips.

I was on toronto.com and it is confusing to me because I am not sure where the locations are compared to were I am staying.

As for chicken wings the best by far can only be found in a small town in Saskatchewan called Limerick. I am just trying to find a place that can come close to the taste. I will try and get to were you suggest.
_Jim - TBG - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#29503) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
Scariest thing I've seen on a baseball field was while two of the kids on my team were playing catch. It's usually a good idea to pair a weaker player with a strong one. Two weak players together just results in a lot of running after the ball and very little actual catching.

I paired one of my rep kids with a rookie who... had some issues - namely a lack of co-ordination and concentration. Some background: when I mentioned to his Dad that he wasn't looking at the ball while batting and that this was rather alarming, his dad tried to convince me that he could hit by listening for the ball...

Anyway, long story short, I looked up just in time to see the boy with his eyes on his partner and his glove up - and he never flinched as the ball hit him smack in the eye. The sound and the image were stomach-turning, and I thought we'd be scraping up DNA evidence all over the place, but the kid emerged unscathed. The impact must have been absorbed evenly around the orbital bone, or something, but it sure looked ambulance-worthy at the time.

After a few tears and an ice pack, the kid played the game.
_Scott - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#29504) #
Not a on the field thing, but I saw a ten year old girl take a foul ball of the head at a softball game. Her head was turned and she didn't see it coming. It hit just above her ear. She fractured the skull and had to have surgery. My understanding from a friend who knew the family is that she was never the same after.
_shill - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:10 PM EDT (#29505) #
Worst thing I've seen as a fan: Rick Vaive comes screaming down the wing and fires a slapper. The shot got deflected early and it didn't lose any steam as it came directly towards us. A 250 lb + man sitting spread eagle in the row in front of us (aisle seat, immediately behind the net) at the Gardens had a beer in each hand and couldn't protect himself. The shot hit him square. Took 5 or 6 medics to carry him out, and I'm still having nightmares about the pain he must have felt.
_Jim - TBG - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:15 PM EDT (#29506) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
Upset in SK:

I will second the motion for Duff's wings. That's some fine wingage.
_Jobu - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#29507) #
Today I'm going to bring my leafs jersey into work and get a name on the back (they only do leafs jerseys at work, otherwise my Jays jersey would have been in a long time ago). The point is, I'm tempted to put "JOHNSON 37" on the back of my leafs jersey, but then I have two problems a) Most leaf fans wont get it and call me lame b)I guess I'd have to put TUCKER 16 on my Jays jersey.

So being as weak minded as I am, I'll be collecting votes from you nobel bauxites until I leave for work in a few hours. And begin...
_Moffatt - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:24 PM EDT (#29508) #
Get "McDONALD 7" printed on the back. "SITLER 27" is a good second choice. :)
_Moffatt - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#29509) #
That should be SITTLER, of course. Proper spelling on a jersey is kind of important. :)
_Jobu - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:27 PM EDT (#29510) #
I was thinking going "classic" but thought against it for 3 reasons.

1. Its a modern leafs jersey. So that would be like writing GIAMBI across the back of a yankees jersey.

2. They were before my time and I dont want to be a poser and latch on to a generation I know little about and havent experienced.

3. I have a compulsive drive to be "different" for some reason.
_Jim - TBG - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:31 PM EDT (#29511) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
How about STAJAN? He'll still be in his early 30s when the lockout ends.
Named For Hank - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#29512) #
Hockey jersey story, not funny unless you followed the Leafs '01 - '02 - '03 ish.

I was in Prague for my honeymoon and decided that I wanted a Czech national team jersey as a souvenir. There were two options: crappily screen-printed jerseys that were everywhere for about $15 that had either HASEK or JAGR on the back, or nice ones that were about $100...and had HASEK or JAGR on the back. One time in a sports store I asked if they had Pilar or Kaberle and they looked shocked, but had nothing aside from Jagr and Hasek.

Then, off the beaten track, in an odd little junk shop, there was a gorgeous, "real" jersey, nicer than the $100 ones we had seen, hanging from the ceiling with a price tag on it that amounted to $35 Canadian. And it was my size. And I said to Vanessa, "Hell, I'll take this even if it says Jagr on the back!"

Well, it didn't say Jagr.

It said Reichel.
_Jim - TBG - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:38 PM EDT (#29513) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
It said Reichel.

Key word being "junk" shop. Though Reichel was decent in his role this past year, just highly overpaid.

NFH, is the Cheer Club going to be in force on Oct. 2?
_Moffatt - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:41 PM EDT (#29514) #
Key word being "junk" shop. Though Reichel was decent in his role this past year, just highly overpaid.

Reichel is one of my favourite players in the NHL. He had some great years with the Flames.

It's really hard to hate the Leafs when they put great guys on their team like Kidd, Roberts, Nieuwy, and Reichel, but somehow I manage to. :)
_Jobu - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#29515) #
Reichel would have been different alright. Way to steal my thunder NFH....
_Moffatt - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#29516) #
Reichel would have been different alright.

How about Tellqvist then? That should count as different.
Named For Hank - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#29517) #
I agree that Reichel was good this past season, but think of summer '02: he was downright awful for the Leafs in '01-'02. After '03 I probably would have bought the jersey.

Jobu, try PILAR.

Jim, I'm having a hell of a time getting people out to games. The season has demoralized pretty much everybody. I understand why, but it still bites.
_Jobu - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:53 PM EDT (#29518) #
Tellqvist is my friends absolute favourite leaf. He'd be mad with envy if I got that. Wait a minute.... maybe this isnt such a bad idea
_Rob - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#29519) #
Jobu: Just put JOBU 37 on it. Seems simple enough to me. ;)
_Jobu - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#29520) #
hmmmm..... that sounds like a GREAT idea for my Jays jersey.
_A - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#29521) #
Jim, I was helping out my brother's Pee Wee house league team at a practice a couple years back and one of the newbies wanted to try 1B. Being a house league team the coach didn't mind switching it up so the kid's standing there as the kid at third unleashes a perfect throw right around eye-level. The newbie puts up his glove, ready to receive the ball. Somehow he missed the ball but was lucky enough to turn his head a little and get the ball in the cheek. And just like your story, after running for ice and the tears ran dry, he got back out and finished off the practice -- in right field.
_James W - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#29522) #
I'm certainly glad I've never experienced any injuries this serious in my baseball "career". The worst for me was taking a fastball right in the front elbow; my arm was numb for the night, but I was able to play the next day. That might very well be the worst injury I've seen in person as well.
_Rob - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#29523) #
Baseball diamond story:

Grade 9 gym class. The batter swings at a pitch and lets go of the bat, which flies right back into the catcher's mouth.
Earlier, the gym teacher said, "Nah, we don't need to use a catcher's mask."
The catcher went to the hospital and lost six teeth.
_Jim - TBG - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 03:14 PM EDT (#29524) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
NFH, it's been that kind of season. If you guys are out, the mighty Reds will be in section 524A and I'll bring them over for a visit. We'll focus our attention on Friday the 1st, for the Batters Box year ender.

A, I'm honestly amazed that in our hyper-sensitive "won't someone think of the children?" society, in which elementary students now have to return a 3-page permission form before they can participate in gym class (and we wonder why kids lean towards chunky these days), that we're still using hardballs in kids leagues. I fully expect to turn up to spring training one year and be told that everything's gone Nerf. That will be a sad day for baseball.
_Jim - TBG - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#29525) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
Leafs jersey: QUINN 1

you'll be unique
_Moffatt - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 03:20 PM EDT (#29526) #
IIRC Quinn wore #2 as a player. :)
_Jobu - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#29527) #
That's all assuming I like Quinn.....which I don't. ;)
_Moffatt - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 03:24 PM EDT (#29528) #
That's all assuming I like Quinn.....which I don't. ;)

He's not all bad. Did you ever see that clip of him as a Flame taking out Bobby Orr?
_Moffatt - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 03:25 PM EDT (#29529) #
Wait.. I think Quinn was with the Leafs, not the Flames when that happened.

/needs coffee
_Jim - TBG - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#29530) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
Well I was thinking more along the lines of #1=The Boss. 'Course that might be FERGUSON JR 1, and who wants that on a jersey?

Damn you and your accuracy Moffatt! :)
_MatO - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#29531) #
The only baseball injury I've ever had was probably rotator cuff related. After one hard throw I'd be in a lot of pain. My worst injury was while playing in a touch football league. We were getting clobbered and defending near our own goal-line. The other team flooded one side of the field and the QB rolled in that direction. We were playing zone so I just shadowed the QB who didn't see me and promptly hit me in the numbers for an interception. I take off down the sideline and the QB touches me, but I feel as if I've turned my ankle. I take another step and I reallize it's much worse than that and collapse on the sideline. I look down and my foot is to the left of where it should be and the players on both teams are nearly fainting or averting their eyes. At the hospital the orthapaedic surgeon says I have a rare lateral subtalor(sp?) dislocation. Only his 7th in 10 years of practice. They give me some morphine and the doc grabs my foot and shoves it back into place. The foot isn't too bad 11 years later. I think this injury may be similar to Alou's back a few years ago. I think his leg broke also.
_gp - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 03:28 PM EDT (#29532) #
Thanks everyone. Pitching in a playoffs this weekend. Will be backing up after every pitch...

Two quick stories. When i was around 12, we had a baseball (windmill) practice. Coach was catching. We told him to put the mask on but he said he was fine. His son fouls the pitch off his nose breaking it.

Shinny hockey game about 10 years ago. We played every week for something like 5 years with hardly any equipment and we even used a soft rubber puck. Two guys collide. The first one gets up, pushes off on his skate, skate skips, goes up my friends stick and catches him in the face. 14 stitches on the chin and 6 on the inside of his mouth. Moral is always wear a mask or a cage.
_Rob - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 03:41 PM EDT (#29533) #
Well I was thinking more along the lines of #1=The Boss. 'Course that might be FERGUSON JR 1, and who wants that on a jersey?

No, Quinn is still the boss there, even if JFJ is the "GM." Resigning three old guys is a Quinn move, and I think Ferguson is just going with what Boss Man Pat says.

Of course, I could be wrong. I just hate Pat Quinn, so...
_Keith Talent - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#29534) #
CATFIGHT ALERT!

REEARR!! The Globe and Mail reports this morning that Sportsnet's Jody Vance has been sending disparaging emails to associates about Hazel Mae. Mae received a copy of the mail and brought it to the attention of Sportsnet management who have since demoted Jody Vance to the morning anchor position, a position that will no longer exist next month. After that, Vance will be on part-time duty. It is well known that Vance and Mae do not get along.

My $0.02: Jody Vance is as cold as ice. When I get my morning sports from Vance I just feel a chill. And that Groucho Marx nose-glasses combination she sports does nothing for me without the full moustache.
_BCMike - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#29535) #
Personally I think Jody Vance is a great way to start your morning :)
_Upset in Saskat - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 04:57 PM EDT (#29536) #
Quick story on a baseball related injury.

I was 12 and playing 3B. Batter squared to bunt. I went charging in fast. Batter took the bat back and swung away. Next thing I remember I was in the dugout and was surrounded by the coach and a strange lady. The lady turned out to be a nurse and with the help of her makeup mirror showed the starting of what turned out to be a golf ball size welt on the head.

If I remeber correct the welt lasted about a week and I was not allowed to play until the swelling and bruising was gone.
_alsiem - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 05:02 PM EDT (#29537) #
Back to baseball injuries. This is funny because my friend has fully recovered. My friend was pitching and took a screamer right off his forehead. Your speach centres are in the frontal lobe, he lost the ability to speak for two days and his vocabulary came back in dribs over the next month. He's totally fine now so you can look back and laugh but I felt terrible, I dropped the foul ball that allowed the at bat to continue.

Hmmm, instant karma's going to get you.
Thomas - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 05:07 PM EDT (#29538) #
Why will the morning anchor position not exist after next month? Are they getting rid of their morning news show?
_Tassle - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#29539) #
OT:

This is the most pointless waste of words I have ever seen. Ever. How does Buster Olney get paid for this drivel? He says NOTHING!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=1881940
_Keith Talent - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 05:13 PM EDT (#29540) #
The morning show will be no more on RSN. It will just be a repeat of the evening show. I wonder if the NHL strike influenced this decision.
_Jim - TBG - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 05:31 PM EDT (#29541) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
This is the most pointless waste of words I have ever seen. Ever. How does Buster Olney get paid for this drivel? He says NOTHING!


To sum up:

Talented young players: good.

Will become: Older. More expensive. Yankees.

Well, my mind is blown, how about you guys?
_Four Seamer - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 06:07 PM EDT (#29542) #
I thought the Globe was last reporting that Hazel Mae was supposed to be going to Boston? Whatever happened to that story?

I'll take Jody Vance over Hazel Mae any day of the week.
_Dr. Zarco - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 06:32 PM EDT (#29543) #
Great topic of sports injuries today. Check this one out. My buddy is teeing off for the first time of the new season last year. We're at the blue tees (we think we're good golfers) and his first shot of the year is a low liner that hits the white tee marker (it was sort of squarish) and rifles back and hits him square between the eyes! He was knocked out cold for about a half a minute, but ended up being just fine. Pretty funny now to think about it.
_P Smith - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#29544) #
Wow, these injury stories make my own sound pretty modest. While umpiring a game, a big guy drove a ball way over the fence in right field - only question was fair or foul. I took off my mask, walked down the first base line squinting into the sun. Unfortunately, the lazy SOB didn't even trot to first, he just stopped a third of the way up the line, watched it, and after it curved foul he swung the bat over his shoulder, right into my mouth. The end of the bat made a direct hit - a half moon was chipped out of my two front teeth.

But nothing too serious, I finished the game, and the miracle of modern dentistry fixed them up pretty quick.
_Paul D - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#29545) #
Hazel's still going to Boston, she was auditioning new hosts on the last episode of JZone.
_Four Seamer - Thursday, September 16 2004 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#29546) #
Hazel's still going to Boston, she was auditioning new hosts on the last episode of JZone.

So they demoted Jody Vance, the finest female sportscaster in this country by a considerable margin, for badmouthing a fellow employee who is leaving the network? You mean it's possible that not everybody at Sportsnet loves and respects each other? That doesn't add up, if you ask me. Maybe Dan Rather has some forged documents that will shed light on this fishy tale.
_Fozzy - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 03:17 AM EDT (#29547) #
Poor, poor Jody Vance, let Fozzy hold you in his warm arms :)

But frankly, I hope they don't show the evening show in the morning. Whether it's Jim Lang or Jason Portuando or that clod from Sportsnet Pacific, it's a painful 30 minutes to sit through. Every homerun call or hockey goal becomes the equivalent of childbirth ("In your face X pitcher!").... ugh... Now if Marty York hosted the show wearing a 10-gallon cowboy hat, then I think we might have something solid, but only if he did his invisible lasso arm-wave thingy.

As an aside, did you hear Vic Rauter on TSN last night almost chew his tongue off trying to pronounce Leskanic? Outrageous; it's a good thing there weren't any Koreans or Japanese in the highlight reel for him. "Ng? What the hell is that?"

Maybe Dan Rather has some forged documents that will shed light on this fishy tale.

You, my friend, deserve the Batters' Box equivalent of an Oscar.
_Moffatt - Friday, September 17 2004 @ 11:05 AM EDT (#29548) #
the Batters' Box equivalent of an Oscar.

Which, of course, is called the Cutty.
_Ben Perkins - Saturday, October 02 2004 @ 10:12 PM EDT (#29549) #
Jody was much better than Hazel and it makes no sense to bump her down after Hazel is gone. So Jody is loyal to Sportsnet and get punished??

Anymore details on the Globe and Mail story?? The site is pretty much a pay site now for any of the good stuff and can't find it online.
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