Batter's Box Interactive Magazine - Rosario Traded To Phillies

The long awaited trade with the Phillies was Rosario for cash? Apparently, $100,000 was the price.

I thought there would be several teams that could use Rosario, even for a long shot prospect in A ball, but I apparently thought wrong.

Thanks to Jordan and Manhattan Mike for the heads up.

Posted by Pistol on Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 04:00 PM EDT.

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Paul D - Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 04:27 PM EDT (#165289) #

Wow is this disapointing. I'd have thought that they could get more for him that the rumoured $100,000 (from espn). I guess trying to sneak him through waivers wouldn't have worked, as the Phillies would have just grabbed him. I suppose it's up to Accardo to perform now, or else JP could end up looking silly.

Ryan Day - Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#165291) #

If the Jays were only going to get cash, I kind of which they'd kept him on the roster and put Accardo or Zambrano at AAA. On the other hand, how much do you want to gamble on "this is the year he's going to put it all together!" I don't know if it would be possible to get less for him, but it certainly doesn't help the team to keep him on the roster for two months, let him get shelled, and then come to this same result.

So place your bets now and avoid second-guessing later: Is Rosario a great reliever (now or in the future?) that Ricciardi foolishly let slip away, or is he just another pitcher with great stuff who's going to have trouble with his control and injuries?

Personally, I think he'll have a fairly rough 2007 - plenty of walks and an ERA around 4.75-5.25 - but he'll bounce back with a decent-to-strong 08-09.

He will, however, have a hot streak at some point this season that coincides with some Toronto bullpen struggles, and Ricciardi will look like a fool for a couple weeks. (See also: Tom Mastny v. 2006)

timpinder - Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 05:01 PM EDT (#165292) #

Gillick said he thought Rosario turned a corner this spring. I think he turned that corner last year in AAA when he posted a 2.79 ERA, 6.21 H9, 10.71 K9, and 1.00 WHIP with a much improved 2.79 BB9.

This will bite J.P. in the butt. I bet Rosario ends up with an ERA under 4.00 this year. I thought Accardo and Rosario should have been in the bullpen with Zambrano getting regular starts in AAA. Since I've said that all along, I think I'm allowed to complain.

$100,000? Seriously?

Pistol - Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 05:08 PM EDT (#165294) #

$100,000? Seriously?

Actually, that was a lot higher than I would have guessed.

There's 28 other teams that didn't think Rosario was even worth that much so if he doesn't work out it's not just the Jays that would have made a mistake.

greenfrog - Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#165295) #

Nice pickup for the Phils. Basically zero risk. Although Rosario is turning 27 this summer, he did miss a year because of Tommy John surgery (and has needed some extra time to fully recover). He could still turn into a respectable (and low-cost) reliever. I didn't really see him having much success with the Jays this year, though.

On another note, Matsuzaka dominated KC today. 6 H, 1 BB, 1 ER, 10 Ks in 7 IP. He was pitching against the Royals, granted, but that's a pretty nice debut. The Sox are going to be tough if he keeps this up.

Ron - Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 05:53 PM EDT (#165298) #

Considering the Jays only got $100,000 for him, the rest of MLB doesn't think very highly of him either. I could care less if you put up good numbers in AAA but can't get hitters out at the major league level. When you throw as many balls as Rosario does, your margin of error is extremely slim.

Rosario is just like Russ Adams. If they are going to have success in the majors, it will be with another team. I wish Frankie nothing but the best. We could see something like this a year from now with McGowan.

CaramonLS - Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 06:08 PM EDT (#165300) #

Russ Adams has the Hitter's equivalent of a 98 MPH fastball?

Rosario will be inconsistant this year, putting up a mid 4's ERA, sandwiched between some really good and really bad outings. He'll become a solid part of the Phils BP starting next season however.

Chuck - Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 06:21 PM EDT (#165301) #

I thought there would be several teams that could use Rosario, even for a long shot prospect in A ball, but I apparently thought wrong.

I wonder if this isn't all just symptomatic of overvalueing one's favourite team's prospects. I imagine that fans of all teams fall prey to this.

Rickster - Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 07:09 PM EDT (#165303) #

Rosario is a AAAA pitcher. He was totally overmatched in the majors last year. He'll be up with the Phils for a while because they have no bullpen, but he won't do anything spectacular.

Good move getting something for him. I doubt we'll ever hear from him again.

Flex - Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 07:14 PM EDT (#165304) #

Another way of looking at this is that Ricciardi knew that Rosario had no place on this team, and given the number of young arms at AAA and in the bullpen, and with League eventually (one hopes) coming back, the best thing for this not-so-young pitcher was to send him where he'd be given a chance to fail-then-succeed at the major league level.

He wasn't going to get that chance here. And rather than let him go for nothing, and not wanting any of the prospects he was being offered, Ricciardi managed to get some money for him. It's disappointing that we won't have the pleasure of seeing him pitch for the Jays, after a long investment, but at least he's getting a chance at the majors.

It's not always about wringing the last drop out of every human commodity.

Mike Green - Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 08:14 PM EDT (#165305) #

A few years ago, after his TJ surgery and before he had pitched a game, Baseball America had rated Rosario a top prospect on the basis that he was throwing 95+ fastballs with movement on the side. And he may yet become a great pitcher for some ballclub. But, for the Jays, his value essentially fell to nothing. This isn't criticism of BA, but merely one more example of how raw stuff is just one element in what makes a pitcher. And how the difference between a Grade A pitching prospect and a Grade B pitching prospect is not as large as it is commonly felt to be.

As Jordan said, this is a disappointing ending to the Rosario story in the Jay organization.

Mylegacy - Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 08:31 PM EDT (#165307) #

We've been rooting for Rosario to succeed for 20 years, it seems.

For whatever reason, since his return from TJ, he has not been able to get control and an off-speed pitch. This spring the powers that be obviously thought Accardo had more upside. I have to agree with them. BUT, the loss of Rosario is still a very, very , bitter pill.

I agree with the BA observation above. They prefer stuff, tools, over all else. Guys like Lind will always be undervalued by BA. Guys like Sil Campsano will always be overvalued. C'est la vie (that's French for, "sometimes sh*t happens").

Mylegacy - Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#165308) #

Off topic - sort of...

McGowan after 4 innings tonight has given up 1 hit, 1 unearned run, 2 BB and 6 strikeouts. The unearned run came when Adams, playing SS threw away a ball to fist base; the more things change, the more they stay the same.

By June; Roy, AJ, Janssen, McGowan and he-who-survives from Zambrano/Chacin/Towers/Ohka/Marcum. This just might be a very good year.

Afterglow - Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 11:01 PM EDT (#165312) #

According to the box score, it was Olmedo playing SS that was charged the error.

timpinder - Thursday, April 05 2007 @ 11:54 PM EDT (#165314) #

According to the box score, Ismael Ramirez pitched an inning of relief. I thought he was supposed to be the 5th starter in Syracuse?

jgadfly - Friday, April 06 2007 @ 01:29 AM EDT (#165315) #

Mylegacy isn't crazy or should I say wasn't seeing things... I too saw the box score that gave SS Adams a throwing error and had Olmedo playing 2nd base. McGowan K'd 8: BB'd 2; 2 groundball hits (one of which didn't get out of the infield); 4 GO's & 3 FO's; 1 R unearned ... a good start ! 5 innings 87 pitches 55 strikes... 1st inning g'dball to SS (Olmedo throwing error) runner then stole 2nd base and scored on g'dball up the middle... McGowan then K'd the 3, 4 and 5 hitters. Hopefully if he keeps pitching like this Ricciardi will get $200,000 for him come June (HSF TIC).

Mark - Friday, April 06 2007 @ 05:39 AM EDT (#165316) #

They should get at least 250,000$ for McGowan if he keeps this pace.

50 more trades like this and the Jays will cover the sunken cost of paying Hinske and Koskie to play (not play?) for other teams this year.

As for Rosario, I always thought he would at least be a power arm in the pen but who knows, I thought GQ would at least be a serviceable back-up and I see he was just sent down again yesterday.

GQ, Rosario, League and McGowan are all arguments that support the Jays "draft polished players" philosophy. Janssen and Marcum and Thigpen don't have the upside the others do, but they probably will be contributors to the team this year. There is something to be said for that certainty.

PeterG - Friday, April 06 2007 @ 10:37 AM EDT (#165320) #

Rosario is unlikely to be a major league pitcher. McGowan will be in the Jays rotation by July IMO.

jerjapan - Friday, April 06 2007 @ 11:56 AM EDT (#165324) #

Rosario's value is low at the moment, but that doesn't change the fact that Riccardi got almost no value for him. We could easily have sat him in the bullpen in a mop-up role for 2 months with little or no effect on our game while waiting for a sign one way or the other - we simply do not have the high-ceiling prospects to fritter away resources like this. My number one concern with Riccardi for the last few years has been his inability to maximize the resources at his disposal - designating Hillenbrand then swapping him meant we only got Accardo. The revolving door at third base has cost us millions to pay for guys not on the team plus Glaus' big contract, not to mention the O-Dog. Even this off season - targeting Meche, blowing our budget on a couple of big-ticket sluggers at the expense of our depth - shows that Riccardi just doesn't have that Colgangelo-esque eye for available talent.

Geoff - Friday, April 06 2007 @ 12:33 PM EDT (#165325) #

GQ should be the next to sell to Pat the Purchaser. The big question is how to evaluate the worth of his subsidiary assets in the transaction, in particular his fragrance product franchise. Rumor has it that a focus group of Philly fans shows that sales of the Chacin scent will skyrocket to 200,000 units per quarter in the first year alone, reaching 3 million units per annum by 2009.

And people thought the purchase price for Daisuke Matsuzaka was hefty! Marketed properly, Gustavo should fetch a fee of $70 million.

Chuck - Friday, April 06 2007 @ 01:00 PM EDT (#165327) #

Are you mixing up Guillermo Quiroz and Gustavo Chacin?

Geoff - Friday, April 06 2007 @ 01:10 PM EDT (#165328) #

clearly, yes

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