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There was good pitching in the lower levels of the minors yesterday. Auburn played a doubleheader where the teams combined to score four runs. Lansing won an extra inning game 3-1, while the Gulf Coast Blue Jays lost an extra inning game 2-1. For those of you keeping track at home, that’s 36 innings of baseball with 11 runs scored. Brett Cecil got his first victory for Syracuse while Dunedin won a nail-biter by continuously chipping away at the Sarasota Reds. Meanwhile, New Hampshire lost as four add-on runs came back to haunt them. Oh yes, and Travis Snider continued his meteoric rise through the Jays system with JP announcing on WWJP that he'd been promoted to Triple-A, with Brian Dopirak getting a much-deserved promotion to New Hampshire and David Cooper making the jump to High-A.


Charlotte 3 @ Syracuse 7Boxscore

Jack Egbert, one of the White Sox top pitching prospects, continued his rough year at Triple-A. He gave up six runs over 5 innings on eleven hits and a walk and fell to 3-10 on the year. The big blast came in the fifth inning when Russ Adams hit a 3-run homer to score Buck Coats and Marcos Sandoval and give the SkyChiefs a 4-1 lead. Syracuse would score two more off Egbert to begin the sixth and would add another run in the late innings. Adams went 2-5 with a run and the aforementioned 3 RBI. Wayne Lydon also had two hits and a walk and scored a run. Every other SkyChief but one had a solitary hit in the game. The other hits of note were a Hector Luna double and a solo homer by Kevin Melillo. The other SkyChief who didn’t have one was Marcos Sandoval, who went 5-5 with a run and an RBI.

Brett Cecil got the start for Syracuse and went 5 plus innings. He allowed two runs on six hits and three walks. Cecil notched seven strikeouts and retired six of the eight batters on balls in play on groundballs. Overall, it was a successful second start in Triple-A, although the control will need to improve. However, it’s not unusual to see control problems the first few starts after someone jumps a level. Sean Stidfole got a hold with two scoreless innings and Jonah Bayliss gave up one run as he finished the game.

New Hampshire 7 @ New Britain 11Boxscore

Jean Machi started for New Hampshire and continues to perplex us as to why he’s on the 40-man roster. Machi went 4.2 innings and gave up seven runs on eight hits and a pair of walks. Machi also hit a batter and retired five of seven batters on balls in play with ground balls. Jason Burch pitched 2.1 scoreless innings, surrendering only three hits, but he did allow two of his three inherited runners from Machi to cross the plate. Jared Gothreaux pitched an inning and gave up four runs, which didn’t seem like a big deal until the Fisher Cats scored three times in the top of the ninth.

Chris Gutierrez lead off and went 0-4, but he reached base twice through bases on balls. Ryan Klosterman and JP Arencibia each went 1-5 and the cleanup batter, David Smith, went 1-4 with a double and a walk. The bulk of the offence came from the 5-6-7 batters, as Jacob Butler went 3-4 with a solo homer, a walk and two runs scored. Eric Nielsen and Ryan Patterson each went 2-5, as Patterson had a double and a home run, scored twice and had 2 RBI. Erik Kratz went 1-4 with a run, an RBI and a walk and Jonathan Diaz went 1-2 with an RBI, a run and three bases on balls.

Sarasota 5 @ Dunedin 6
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Adrian Martin started for Dunedin and went 6 innings. He gave up all five runs on eight hits. Martin didn’t walk a batter and struck out four. Edward Rodriguez, Cody Crowell and Connor Falkenbach combined for 3 shutout innings of relief. Crowell inherited two runners from Rodriguez and didn’t allow either to score in 0.2 innings of relief during a 5-5 tie. Dunedin scored in the bottom of the eighth to pull ahead and Falkenbach came in for his 24th save of the year.

Trailing the Reds 5-2 after four and a half innings, Dunedin came back to win 6-5 by scoring one run, and only one rune, in the last six consecutive innings. Shannon Stewart led off and went 0-2 with a pair of walks. He’s hitting .125 in Dunedin. Chris Emanuele went 1-5 and both he and Stewart had an RBI. Cory Patton hit third and went 1-4 with a homer. Brian Dopirak said goodbye to High-A with a 2-4 night that included a solo home run, as well. Anthony Hatch went hitless, while Jesus Gonzalez and Sean Shoffit went 1-4. Marcos Cabral went 2-4 with a run and an RBI and Carlos Quintana went 3-4 with a couple of runs scored. The tying run scored on Patton’s solo homer in the bottom of the seventh and the winning run came the next inning on an RBI single by Shoffit that scored Cabral.

Lansing 3 @ South Bend 1 (10 innings)Boxscore

Trystan Magnuson continues to turn his season around with another fine pitching performance. Magnuson went 5 innings and allowed four hits and two walks. He struck out two batters and didn’t allow a run. Joe Wice came in and gave up a run over 2 innings. After seven the score was tied at 1-1, so who do you turn to if you’re the Lansing manager? If you answered anyone other than Tim Collins, you’ve not been paying enough attention to this season. Collins struck out five over 3 innings and gave up one hit and one walk. He picked up the victory and lowered his ERA to 1.24.

Both Lansing and South Bend had seven hits apiece. Nearly half of the Lugnuts hits came from Justin Jackson, who went 3-5 with a pair of doubles. Raul Barron was 1-3 and John Tolisano was 1-4. The other two hits came from Manny Rodriguez, who was 2-4 with a home run in the fifth inning. The other Lugnuts all had 0-fers, including Jonathan Jaspe and Kevin Ahrens, the latter going 0-4 with three strikeouts.

The Lugnuts scored their first run on a Rodriguez home run. The other two runs came in the top of the 10th as Rodriguez led off with a single and Jonathan Baksh came in as a pinch runner. Baksh stole second as Ahrens struck out and advanced to third on a Darin Mastroianni ground out. Eric Eiland walked and ball four was a wild pitch, which allowed Baksh to score. Eiland then stole second and Jackson singled him in for the insurance run.

Auburn 2 @ Batavia 1Boxscore

The game, the first of two for Auburn on the afternoon, was the completion of an earlier game that was suspended during the first inning. That’s why Josh Wells got the start and left the game after 0.2 innings with no runs having scored. Danny Farquhar came in and pitched 5.1 scoreless innings, allowing only two hits and striking out three. Jason Roenicke gave up one run over 2 innings and gave the ball over to Robert Bell, who pitched a scoreless ninth for his third save.

Auburn had already scored in the top of the first, before the game was suspended, on a Bartolo Nicolas double that drove in Chris Demons. The Doubledays scored again in the third when Adam Amar singled home Nicolas for what would turn out to be the winning run. Nicolas went 3-5 with a pair of doubles and the aforementioned run and RBI. Demons and Amar each had one hit, as did Jonathan Del Campo, Bryan Kervin and Leance Soto. Demons, Kervin and Karim Turkamani each drew a walk and Amar worked a pair of bases on balls.

Auburn 0 @ Batavia 1 (7 innings)
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This regularly scheduled game was shortened to seven innings as it was the second game for both teams on the day. Matthew Wright started for Auburn and went 5 innings. He gave up one run on five hits and struck out four batters. It was a solid pitching performance and would normally be enough for the victory, but Batavia’s Arquimedes Nieto and a pair of relievers pitched even better.

Nieto gave up one hit over 5 innings and Batavia’s staff combined to pitch a three hitter. Michael McDade, Robert Sobolewski and Kervin each had one hit and the Doubledays drew four walks. Bryan Van Kirk had two of them. Kervin was the only batter to touch Nieto for a hit, as Arquimedes sent down the last ten Doubledays he faced. It was the end to a day of good pitching, as both Auburn and Batavia scored twice over 16 innings of baseball.

GCL Phillies 2 @ GCL Blue Jays 1 (10 innings)Boxscore

Three Phillies pitchers combined to throw a three-hitter with 14 strikeouts. The Blue Jays could do nothing at the plate and there are 0-fers up and down the lineup. The Blue Jays scored their one run in the bottom of the first inning when Tyler Pastornicky singled and advanced to second on a throwing error. He stole third and Jonathan Talley cashed him in with a sacrifice fly. This run tied the game at 1 and neither team would score again until the top of the tenth. Marcus Brisker got both of the Blue Jays other two hits.

Chris Holguin started and went 5 innings. He gave up one run on four hits and a walk and struck out three. He turned the ball over to Dan Miller and Miller pitched 3 scoreless innings of relief. Corey Bachman came in for the ninth and got through that unscathed, but in the tenth he gave up a leadoff double and then a walk and a passed ball later and the Phillies had runners on first and third with no out. Bachman got a shallow fly ball for the first out and then got the grounder he needed, but Luis Fernandez and Pastornicky were unable to turn the double play and the winning run scored.

Three Stars:

3rd Star – Marcos Sandoval, 5-5, R, RBI, 5 TB

2nd Star – Tim Collins, 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 5 K

1st Star – Danny Farquhar, 5.1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K


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Mike Green - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 10:00 AM EDT (#190203) #
Cecil pitched better than his line would suggest.  Ten ground balls and four hits (after an even worse ratio in his first start) can push a pitcher to take care of things himself. 

The Snider promotion is interesting.  If he tears up triple A, I wonder if they'll Longoria him next year (keep him down a couple of weeks for service time reasons and then sign him to a long-term deal).  It was an aggressive promotion.

Anders - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 11:11 AM EDT (#190213) #
It will be interesting to see where Snider plays. Adam Lind is hitting .344/.374/.602 since being recalled for the last time, and is under team control until  2012. Vernon and Rios are both signed through 2014. Lyle Overbay is making 14 million dollars over the next two years as well. None of these players seem like particularly likely candidates to be traded - Vernon because of his contract, Rios because of the off-year,

Perhaps they'll bring him up as a DH, and get him some defensive playing time when one of the aforementioned players inevitably gets injured. I imagine the team would want some sort of certainty with where he's playing though.

whiterasta80 - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 11:27 AM EDT (#190214) #

The Snider promotion is (IMO) a little early. I am less worried about his K's then most, power hitters usually do have high strikeouts- plus his walks have been coming up. But I still don't like his numbers against lefties, and I don't like that they appear to be grooming him as a DH as much as a position player.

That said, I'm assuming JP is just trying to make a splash, and given that Dopriak and Cooper's promotions are both extremely deserved someone had to move up the food chain to make room (better Snider than Phillips and his complete lack of power).

For those who care, the Jonathan Diaz "reaching safely watch" is now on 8 games.  He's hitting a respectable .286 (with .771 OPS) at AA with a ridiculous 1.046 OPS against left handed pitching.  Of course that also means his OPS against RHP is .570. Still, a guy who hit .162 at Dunedin earlier this season is approaching prospect status as a platoon guy and defensive replacement. Yes that is probably and overstatement and yes I am his biggest fan for some reason.

whiterasta80 - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 11:37 AM EDT (#190215) #

Actually Anders, I'm not sure they have any intention of getting positional certainty with Snider which is one of my concerns. I agree that he's probably not an OF longterm as a 5'11/245 guy doesn't need to be roaming the OF. That's just an invitation to destroy his knees.

However I'd prefer if we can make him at least a functional First baseman, ala Delgado. The Jays seem content with turning him into Travis Hafner (pre 2007 ASB), and while his bat seems to be good enough for that role, having a player exclusively DH really limits your options as a manager.

FisherCat - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 12:35 PM EDT (#190217) #

Having seen both Lind & Snider play at the AA level a few times, I see Snider projecting more as an everyday outfielder near term than I do Lind.

Snider has the better arm and seems more athletic than Lind.  Snider has experience in RF, which Lind does not.  Plus IIRC, Lind was a 1B in parts of his college career.

My thinking is that the Jays may shop Overbay in the winter, groom Lind at 1B a little in Spring Training (regardless whether Overbay is still here or not).  All this with the hopes that Snider makes their decision in the spring hard (ala Gabe Gross a few years back).  And if they have to, they plug in Stairs as the 1B early in 2009 until a youngster or free agent presents themselves.

Olerud363 - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#190218) #

I've heard he has a great arm, surprising speed for a big guy and good instincts out there...

Didn't he have an elbow injury early that forced him to be a DH exclusively in the first half and has forced him to go back and forth between left, right and DH in the second half??

I think if the elbow was good he would of been in right field the entire year.  Apparently he has made some throws from right that amazed the New Hampshire press.

I also heard that he is more like 6'1/220 now.  If true this would be good news.

 

Anders - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#190222) #
Travis Snider did indeed DH because of a problem with his throwing elbow. I can't speak with firsthand knowledge about his speed and defense, though he did hit 7 triples last year (none this year). He was 3/13 stealing bases.

The accounts I've read suggests Snider has a decent enough arm to play right.

jgadfly - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 02:27 PM EDT (#190223) #
RE: Snider... does anybody really know what Snider's weight and height truly are ?  At 240 he seems too big for his ankle and the outfield surface at the RC and at 5'10" he seems too small for firstbase ... any more up to date stats than those given during his draft year?
Lugnut Fan - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#190224) #

I can only speak about his body last year, but I would say he was closer to 220.  No way was he 245 last year.

timpinder - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 03:41 PM EDT (#190230) #
I wouldn't want to see the Jays shop Overbay just to make room for Lind and Snider.  They need all of the bats they can get, especially left-handed bats.  Ideally, once Snider is ready, I'd like to see the Jays try Lind at DH with Snider in LF.  If they moved Hill to SS and started Inglett or Campbell at 2B, that would give them a left-handed lead-off hitter and three strong left-handed bats in Overbay, Lind and Snider, with Stairs on the bench in 2009.  The only circumstance in which I'd want to see Overbay moved just to make room for Lind and Snider would be if DH was already occupied with a free agent aquisition like, say, Thome.
whiterasta80 - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#190231) #

My opinion of him as an OF prospect had nothing to do with his ability and everything to do with his frame holding up over time. Him being 220 would definately affect my opinion of him as an OF prospect.

Mylegacy - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 04:41 PM EDT (#190235) #

Snider: 20 years old Feb 2nd 2008 - the Jay's list him as 5' 11" 245. At 26 - 30 he'll be 260ish at least. Maybe a 1st baseman - more likely a DH. Left field at the Rogers Centre will make his legs fall off real quick. HOWEVER, I'd take that bat of his - please!

Just looking at the younger Jays - we have Lind, Hill, Rios and Wells (sorta youngish) all home grown. With Snider, Cooper, Patterson (against lefties he's FANTASTIC), Diaz, Arencibia, Campbell and Jeroloman ALL of whom will be ready for at least a "peek" by September 08 - September 09 for sure. AND, with Jackson, Eiland, Aherns, Tolisano, Sierra, Amar, Dopirak, McDade and Sololewski all REAL prospects just behind that other list - that gives the Jay's 16 SERIOUS minor league position player prospects - not a bad minor league system at all.

timpinder - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 04:57 PM EDT (#190236) #
Don't forget Balbino Fuenmayor, the big 7-figure international free agent signing from a couple years ago.  He's only 18 years old and doing pretty well in the GCL.  The Jays seem pretty high on him.  Apparently he's a high ceiling guy with raw skills who could be a superstar one day with big time power, or of course may never amount to anything.  He's been playing 3B but J.P. mentioned on The Fan590 that they were going to move him over to 1B.  I'm looking forward to seeing what he does in full season Lansing next year.
Kelekin - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 05:02 PM EDT (#190237) #
I like the comment above about Jonathan Diaz.  I liked him in Lansing and he showed a high obp, and while he didn't do very well in Dunedin, you would have to think he is good defensively otherwise he wouldn't be at AA.  I'd take a .350+ obp shortstop who is great defensively.
GregD - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 07:03 PM EDT (#190238) #
Who is gonna take Cooper's spot in Lansing? Maybe Amar?
robertdudek - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#190244) #
Snider has the better arm and seems more athletic than Lind.  Snider has experience in RF, which Lind does not.  Plus IIRC, Lind was a 1B in parts of his college career.

I don't think he'll survive in the outfield for more than a few years. Keep in mind that he is very young - as he ages, extra weight will put a lot of strain on his legs (we've seen this with Vernon Wells) even if he is athletically capable of playing outfield. To keep him healthy long term, 1b/dh is going to be a must.
whiterasta80 - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 10:33 PM EDT (#190246) #
Re: Diaz. By all accounts his defense was MLB-ready in college, I can't imagine it regressing that much.
#2JBrumfield - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 10:36 PM EDT (#190247) #
Snider's 2-for-3 so far in his first game at Triple A.  That's .667 folks.  Good enough for me!  Screw the sample size.  Call him up!!!
Mike Green - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 11:10 PM EDT (#190251) #
Weird night on the farm- some lopsided shutout defeats but also plenty of good news.  Snider's successful triple A debut, Wolfe throwing 5 shutout innings, David Cooper carrying on where he left off (2-4 with a double) and Tyler Pastornicky continuing his good play in rookie league. 
timpinder - Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 11:19 PM EDT (#190253) #

Trying Wolfe as a starter looks like it's paying off so far.  Assuming McGowan recovers but Burnett opts out, the Jays could have Wolfe, Janssen, Litsch, Cecil, Purcey and Richmond competing for the two spots in the rotation behind Halladay, Marcum and McGowan.  I like the odds that two from that bunch will make decent #4 and #5 starters.

TamRa - Sunday, August 10 2008 @ 06:32 AM EDT (#190418) #
On Snider, the legs, and the outfield...assuming the worst case and he is 245 (which may be outdated figures but assuming) then it seems to me that it goes something like this...

2009:
LF - Lind, 1B - Overbay, DH: Manny (humor me) minors - Snider
2010:
LF - Snider, 1B - Lind, DH - Manny, Minors - Cooper
2011:
LF: Lind, 1B - Cooper, DH - Snider

That might not be perfect but the point is that snider is young and can handle the outfield even at that size for the first 2-4 years, then you switch him over to DH and let him play the part of Hafner from then on because we'll have gotten past the FA DH era.

Lind to first and back to the OF is not ideal, but it won't be a major issue.


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