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It's pretty obvious that the Blue Jays 2009 season so far breaks nicely into two quite distinct halves: that rollicking 27-14 start (good times!) and the alarming 17-32 run that took them to this week's Break in the Action.

So let's look at the Happy Start. In their first 41 games, the Jays scored a stunning 234 runs (5.70 per game). No one could have seen that coming, especially if advised that Vernon Wells and Alex Rios weren't going to be doing much of anything during this period. Now, one of the keys to this remarkable offensive performance was three players - Adam Lind, Aaron Hill, and Marco Scutaro - performing at a level none of them had ever managed to do before - at least not for a full year in the major leagues:

The optimistic point of view at this point was to note that even if some of those players came crashing back to earth, there was plenty of evidence that Wells and Rios were both capable and likely to pick up the slack. We'll see how that worked out.



To May 18  G   AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR RBI  BB  SO SB CS SH SF HBP GDP BAVG  OBP  SLG  OPS  RC RC/27
                                                                                      
Lind    39 152  25  49  14   0   7  35  19  30  0  0  0  0  0   4  .322 .398 .553 .950  33  8.11
Hill    41 177  30  62   6   0  11  34  11  27  2  1  0  2  1   8  .350 .387 .571 .958  36  7.76
Rolen    36 132  22  42  10   0   3  15  12  17  2  0  0  1  2   0  .318 .381 .462 .843  25  6.96
Scutaro   41 155  36  44  10   1   5  20  35  19  3  2  2  2  1   5  .284 .415 .458 .873  31  6.87
Bautista  26  73  15  22   4   0   1   6  15  20  3  0  3  0  1   2  .301 .427 .397 .824  14  6.60
Overbay   28  93  13  23   8   0   5  19  17  16  0  0  0  2  0   2  .247 .357 .495 .852  17  6.09
Barajas   32 113  14  35  11   0   3  22   6  16  0  0  2  4  1   0  .310 .339 .487 .825  20  5.97
Rios    41 170  23  45   9   2   5  21  14  30  3  0  0  3  3   6  .265 .326 .429 .756  23  4.66
Millar    19  67  10  20   5   0   2  13   4  10  0  0  0  0  0   5  .299 .338 .463 .801   8  4.58
Wells    41 170  27  44  10   1   5  21  15  17  6  0  0  1  0   7  .259 .317 .418 .735  22  4.34
Snider    31  96  12  23   6   0   3  12   7  24  1  0  2  0  0   2  .240 .291 .396 .687  11  3.69
Barrett    7  18   3   3   0   0   1   2   1   5  0  0  0  0  0   0  .167 .211 .333 .544   1  2.21
McDonald  16  17   3   4   0   0   0   0   0   2  0  0  0  0  0   0  .235 .235 .235 .471   1  1.82
Chavez     9  29   1   7   0   0   0   2   0   2  0  0  1  0  0   2  .241 .241 .241 .483   1  1.37
                                                                                   
TOTAL    41 1462 234 423  93  4  51 222 156 235 20  3 10 15  9  43  .289 .358 .463 .821 240  5.75

Meanwhile the pitchers were allowing an impressively stingy 174 runs (4.24 per game.) - this despite two of the original five starters and the bullpen's closer not making it out of April. Jesse Litsch pitched poorly in two starts and went on the DL - David Purcey had a couple of decent outings, but after walking 17 hitters in 25.2 IP Cito Gaston (whose patience with struggling pitchers is notoriously non-existent) had seen enough. The Jays used nine - nine! - different starters in those first 41 games. Four were rookies, all of whom acquitted themselves well - another was a bullpen mainstay pressed into duty. Roy Halladay held it all together, of course, winning eight of his first nine starts.

Apr 6-May 18   G GS  W  L SV HLD BSv IP     H    R  ER  BB  SO HR HBP ERA    BF  BA  OBP   SLG   OPS
                                                                                  
Halladay       9  9  8  1  0  0  0  68   63   23  21   8  57  5  2  2.78  269 .244 .272 .368 .641
Richmond       7  7  4  2  0  0  0  40   39   21  19  16  31  6  0  4.28  173 .250 .320 .455 .775
Tallet        10  6  2  1  0  0  0  42.1  33   23  22  21  31  7  1  4.68  184 .206 .301 .431 .732
Purcey         5  5  0  2  0  0  0  25.2  28   22  20  17  26  4  1  7.01  119 .283 .390 .495  .885
Romero         3  3 2  0  0  0  0  21    19    4   4   4  13  1  1  1.71   81 .250 .296 .368  .665
Cecil          3  3  2  0  0  0  0  20    17    5   4   4  15  2  3  1.80   80 .233 .300 .342  .642
Ray            3  3  1  1  0  0  0  20    17   10   8   5   9  3  2  3.60   80 .239 .304 .423  .726
Litsch         2  2  0  1  0  0  0   9    14    9   9   1   8  4  1  9.00   42 .350 .381 .725 1.106
Burres         2  2  0  2  0  0  0  6.1  12   12  10   5   4  0  0 14.21   37 .375 .459 .563 1.022
Carlson       21  0  1  2  0  5  2  21    17    8   8   7  12  2  2  3.43   88 .221 .302 .338  .640
Downs         18  0  0  0  5  3  0  19.1  13    5   4   2  22  1  1  1.86   76 .178 .211 .247  .457
League        16  0  1  1  0  1  2  18    16    9   9   8  13  1  1  4.50   74 .250 .342 .359  .702
Camp          13  0  0  1  0  2  0  15    16    8   7   7   7  2  0  4.20   66 .271 .348 .475  .823
Frasor        16  0  4  0  1  2  1  14    9    1   1   1   9  0  0  0.64   49 .188 .204 .208  .412
Murphy         8  0  0  0  0  0  0  11.1   4    4   4   8   6  1  0  3.18   45 .111 .267 .278  .544
Ryan           7  0  1  0  2  0  2   6.2   8    7   7   6   6  2  1  9.45   32 .320 .469 .600 1.069
Bullington     4  0  0  0  0  0  0   6    7    2   2   6   5  0  0  3.00   31 .304 .433 .435  .868
Wolfe          2  0  1  0  0  0  0   3    3    1   1   0   3  0  0  3.00   12 .273 .250 .364  .614
                                                                                  
TEAM          41 41 27 14  8 13  7 373.2 340  174 160 127 284 41 16  3.85 1565 .242 .309 .402  .710

So where did they go from there? Besides off the cliff?

The offensive falloff was the most dramatic. By quite a bit. In the next 49 games, the team scored just 203 times (4.12 per game). Observe:

May 19-Jul 12  G   AB   R   H  2B 3B  HR RBI  BB  SO SB CS SH SF HBP GDP BAVG  OBP SLG  OPS  RC   RC/27
                                                                                     
Lind    48  191  25  56  13  0  12  24  17  33  1  1  0  0  3   5 .293 .360 .550 .910  36   6.83
McDonald     15   17   2   6   1 0   1   2   0   3  0  1  0  0  0   0 .353 .353 .588 .941   3   6.71
Rolen    41  162  23  52  16  0   3  20  13  16  2  2  0  2  2   2 .321 .374 .475 .850  29   6.55
Overbay    44  131  18  33  10  1   4  22  28  27  0  0  0  1  0   3 .252 .381 .435 .816  23   5.96
Scutaro     48  202  28  59  17  0   1  19  21  22  5  2  3  2  1   5 .292 .358 .391 .749  29   4.93
Bautista     30   70   9  16   3  1   1   5  16  24  0  0  0  0  0   2 .229 .372 .343 .715  10   4.57
Wells    49  195  26  52  13  1   4  17  13  27  7  2  0  3  0   3 .267 .308 .405 .713  25   4.28
Snider     1   3   0   1   0  0   0   0   0   1  0  0  0  0  0   0 .333 .333 .333 .667   0   4.18
Hill    48  213  22  52  10  0   9  26  11  31  1  0  1  1  2   4 .244 .286 .418 .704  25   3.87
Rios    47  193  20  50  13  0   5  25  11  32 11  3  0  0  2   8 .259 .306 .404 .710  22   3.86
Chavez     20   61   4  17   4  0   2   8   0   7  0  0  0  0  0   2 .279 .279 .443 .721   7   3.79
Millar    30   91  12  18   4  0   2   9  14  21  0  0  0  0  0   1 .198 .305 .308 .612   9   3.21
Barajas    40  129  10  26   2  0   5  18   6  24  1  0  0  0  0   0 .202 .237 .333 .570  11   2.60
Adams    8   20   2   4   0  0   0   0   1   1  0  0  0  0  0   0 .200 .238 .200 .430   1   1.59
Inglett     15   24   1   4   0  0   0   1   2   6  1  0  1  0  0   0 .167 .231 .167 .397   1   1.48
Dellucci     6  20   1   1   1  0   0   2   2   6  0  0  0  0  1   2 .050 .174 .100 .274   0   0.32
                                                                                    
TOTAL    49 1742 203 447 107  3  49 198 155 294 29 11  7  9 11  37 .257 .320 .406 .726  224  4.35

Adam Lind and Marco Scutaro both saw their production sink significantly. But no one can complain - both men continued to be very productive hitters. They were simply not as brilliant as he had been over the first six weeks. Scott Rolen and Lyle Overbay basically carried on in exactly the same fashion as they had over the season's first segment. That was all good news.

Vernon Wells also carried on exactly as he had over the first 41 games, however, and that was bad news. The only time Wells has been effective has been on the road - you may have noticed yesterday that during the two prolonged road losing streaks, Wells was hitting quite well indeed (28-81, .346). But he's been simply awful in his home park, and his ongoing struggles proved especially unfortunate because Aaron Hill came crashing back to earth. Hill has continued to hit home runs all year long, but he really hasn't done much else since mid-May.

The news was just as bad for the other hitters. Alex Rios did not pick up his production - indeed he fell back a little, and continued to make observers wonder just what on earth he's actually thinking about while the games are going on. And while Travis Snider was the weakest bat on the team during the season's first part, after he went down to AAA his roster spot was taken first by Joe Inglett, then by Russ Adams, and finally by David Dellucci. All of whom have been significantly worse than Snider.

And to complete our Tale of Woe - Rod Barajas and Kevin Millar simply went over the cliff and crashed onto the rocks below. All you can do is avert your eyes.

The pitching fell off as well, but still managed to be better than league average

May 19-Jul 12  G GS  W  L SV HLD BSv IP     H    R   ER   BB   SO  HR HBP ERA   BF  BAVG  OBP SLG   OPS
                                                                                  
Tallet    11 11  3  5  0  0   0  61.1  65   37   35   30   47   5  2  5.14  274 .272 .354 .389  .743
Romero    10 10  5  3  0  0   0  66    61   25   25   26   56  10  2  3.41  272 .253 .330 .440  .769
Halladay     8  8  2  2  0  0   0  55    55   18   18    9   49   5  0  2.95  220 .264 .291 .351  .642
Richmond    9  6  2  3  0  0   0  45.1  33   16   16   14   40   9  0  3.18  176 .204 .267 .420  .687
Janssen    5  5  2  3  0  0   0  26    40   19   18    7   11   4  2  6.23  123 .354 .398 .593  .991
Cecil     6  5  1  1  0  0   0  25    42   23   23   13   18   6  0  8.28  123 .385 .447 .642 1.089
Rzepczynski    2  2  0  1  0  0   0  12    7    4    4    7   12   1  0  3.00   49 .167 .286 .286 .571
Mills    2  2  0  1  0  0   0   7.2  14   12   12    6    9   4  0 14.09   42 .400 .476 .800 1.276
Ray    1  1  0  1  0  0   0   4.1   6    5    4    1    4   1  0  4.44   21 .300 .333 .550  .883
Camp     18  0  0  3  0  1   0  26.2  23   11   10   10   23   1  1  3.38  110 .235 .309 .337  .646
League     22  0  0  3  0  4   1  24.2  25   15   15    6   26   4  2  5.47  103 .266 .324 .479  .802
Carlson     23  0  0  2  0  1   0  20.1  26   16   14    8   18   1  1  6.20   95 .317 .368 .463  .832
Frasor    20  0  1  2  2  2   1  19    16    8    8    9   20   1  1  3.79   80 .235 .329 .309  .638
Hayhurst    11  0  0  0  0  0   0  14.2  16    3    3    8    9   1  2  1.84   66 .296 .394 .444  .838
Ryan    18  0  0  1  0  2   0  14    14    8    8   11    7   3  0  5.14   63 .280 .403 .540  .943
Accardo     11  0  0  0  1  0   0  10.1   9    4    4    8    9   2  2  3.48   46 .257 .413 .457  .870
Downs     10  0  1  0  4  0   1   9    8    2    2    3    8   0  0  2.00   37 .242 .297 .303  .600
Wolfe     5  0  0  1  0  0   1   5.1  10    6    6    2    5   3  1 10.12   29 .417 .464 .875 1.339
                                                                                   
TEAM    49 49 17 32  7 10   4 439.2 465  232  225  177  364  61 16  4.61 1902 .277 .346 .450  .796

The strength of the staff, for the most part, has been the patchwork starting rotation. Halladay, Romero, and Richmond have all pitched very well. And this being the 2009 Blue Jays, all of them have made a trip to the DL. Tallet has been adequate for the most part - he's had a few pretty grisly outings when he simply can't throw a strike when he needs to. But the bullpen is becoming an issue. I should acknowledge that this was foreseen by some of you - Glevin, Pistol, Mike Green - at the beginning of the year. Right when I was explaining that the young starters were not going to be the utter disaster many had foreseen. Seeing as how Ricky Romero and Scott Richmond have both been better than the A.J. Burnett of last year or this, I think that's working out so far.

The same seven relievers returned from last season, but B.J. Ryan had completely lost his effectiveness and Brian Tallet was needed in the rotation. Scott Downs slipped smoothly into the closer's role (and being a Blue Jay pitcher somehow managed to hurt himself as well) but the ensuing chain reaction has been unfortunate. Where last year there were three effective southpaws getting the ball to the closer, this year there has been but one and Jesse Carlson, it turned out, couldn't carry that load. After a solid start, Carlson was awful, posting an 8.72 ERA over 24 outings (May 5-June 30). On the whole, the three returning right handers have been about as effective as they were last season. Brandon League has been erratic, and definitely only useful for one inning at a time, but Jason Frasor, in particular, and Shawn Camp as well have both been better than they were last year. Tallet and Ryan have been replaced by a pair of right-handers, Jeremy Accardo and Dirk Hayhurst. Both have been quite all right, but I suspect Gaston would prefer some left-handed support for Carlson.

So now what, Cito? As a manager, Gaston has in the past demonstrated one persistent failing - he can be far too patient with his struggling hitters. This weakness does not afflict him when it comes to pitchers, not at all. Gaston will decide very, very quickly that a pitcher is not useful. It's hard to see where he's ever been wrong about a pitcher he decided was no longer any good - Danny Darwin, maybe? - and this is probably why we haven't seen David Purcey despite all the opportunities that have arisen to give him another shot.

But if a hitter has produced for Gaston in the past, he assumes that he'll be able to do it again. He sticks with him. This has burnt him before, repeatedly. On the other hand, it's not like Vernon Wells or Alex Rios have ever won Gaston a World Series ring. So while he was surely reluctant to do so, Gaston has already removed both his high paid outfielders from the heart of the order.

Of Gaston's two conspicuous strengths, off his past performance, one has been his capacity to bring order to situation that is confused and murky. The non-stop injuries to the pitching staff have made that difficult - with the exception of Litsch's injury, the health problems have been fairly short term, which means the adjustments and replacements have been going on non-stop.  He's lost three pitchers to the DL for injuries that didn't even involve their pitching arms (Halladay, Romero, Downs.)

Gaston's other virtue, historically, has been his ability to identify useful relief pitchers and get them in the roles they're best suited for. He had his bullpen humming along quite nicely last season, but  the loss of Tallet and Ryan this season has turned his current pen into a work in progress. There's been a fair bit of experimentation, and he's bumped his head on the limits of some of his pitchers - Carlson and League in particular. I do think he's almost got that sorted out.

And I'm telling you this - the second half will be better than the first. Significantly better.

Unless there's a trade... in which case, all bets = OFF.
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wdc - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 06:09 AM EDT (#202702) #
I am immensely grateful to Magpie for these two posts.  The analysis is excellent and I have learned a lot from it.  I appreciate the time that it must have taken to put all of this information together.  I have been very happy with the emergence this year of Lind and of Ricky Romero.  And both are becoming crucial players quickly; they have had little time to ease into their roles.  I look forward to Snider's return, which I think will help out in the longer run on the hitting side. For me, the puzzles remain Vernon Wells and Alex Rios.  With VW, I don't understand why he would be much better on the road than at home.  It does suggest that the problems might be mental; he wants to do well, given the faith in him that was showed by the BJ's contract with him.  And he feels the pressure more at home.  I do appreciate, however, how he hustles, beats out ground balls with his speed, even when he is not hitting well.  I would like to see more of this kind of attitude from Rios. The contracts for both of them now look wrong-headed but at the time they were signed, I thought that they were the right moves. The one question that creeps into my mind is whether either or both of them might be using steroids three or four years ago and then they stopped. I tell myself not but the question has entered my mind.
Dave Till - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 06:26 AM EDT (#202703) #
Because Wells is doing so well away from home, I have to think that pressure is a significant factor. He wants to succeed in front of the home fans, he tries too hard, and he pops up or strikes out. Because of the money, people are expecting him to hit like Carlos Delgado and field like Devon White. Plus he was expected to be the Team Leader. That's a lot of weight to carry.

Compare him to Scott Rolen. A couple of years ago, Rolen was expected to be The Man - I believe he was in Tony LaRussa's doghouse for a while. A couple of years of shoulder injuries meant that no one was expecting anything from him this year, other than to show up and field most of what came his way at third. Because there is no pressure on him, he is able to relax and just perform - and look at the results!

Wells's large contract means that the Jays won't be able to move him, unless they take on a huge chunk of his salary. But a change of scenery, to a place where he is just one of a bunch of good players, would mean the world to him. If the Jays aren't serious about contending any more, they could do him a favour and set him free.

Parker - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 11:16 AM EDT (#202710) #

If the Jays aren't serious about contending any more, they could do him a favour and set him free.

The Jays are going to be hamstrung for a long time by the last favour they did Wells.  The team doesn't owe him a trade to a lower-pressure scenario any more than Wells owes it to the Jays to pay back the $90M or so of his contract that he appears unlikely to earn.  There's no reason to compound the original error of the contract offer by continuing to pay the bulk of his salary while he helps a competitor take wins away from the Jays.

Perhaps the Jays need to stop handling Wells with kid gloves and try some tough love.  Drop him down to 8th in the batting order and move him to right field until Snider is called back up, then move Wells to left.  If his struggles are all about the pressure he feels at home, he might be relieved somewhat when sent a clear message that the team will not accept that level of production from a heart-of-the-order hitter and has no expectations of him to hit like one.

He can still bat 6th on the road, though.

Parker - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 11:30 AM EDT (#202711) #

For the record, I think the best thing the Jays can do is keep playing Wells (but not in CF) in the hopes he turns things around.  His performance is not going to mean the difference between making the playoffs this year or not - although it might have if he actually performed at a $20M/season level.  However, I doubt J.P. will want to keep Wells; our esteemed GM has a documented history of buying high and selling low on big-ticket items.

Mike Green - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 11:58 AM EDT (#202712) #
It really doesn't matter whether Wells hits 6th or 8th.  The key point is that he does need to be moved from centerfield.  Unlike the Yankees during Bernie Williams' defensive decline, the Jays cannot afford the luxury of the sentimental attachment to a player's former skills.  My subjective belief is that if Wells was moved from centerfield, he might hit as well or even better than he has previously. 



jerjapan - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 12:17 PM EDT (#202713) #
I agree with you Mike Green that Wells needs to be flipped with Rios in the field (although ironically Wells has been often great defensively every time I catch a game on TV).  However, with the veteran-loving tendencies of Cito and JP, I can't see it happening, and it would definitely make VW's contract look worse - many people still believe he's a premiere centrefielder.
Mick Doherty - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 12:42 PM EDT (#202714) #
A Magnum (Magpie) Opus -- because when you write Part 1 and realize you're less than forty percent done, well, there's alwawys Part 2. Looking forward to the forthcoming 17,000-word "Part 3: How the Blue Jays stunned the world, won the East and kept the Doctor happy."
Parker - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#202717) #

The entire issue with Wells this year is that he hasn't hit at home.  He's been fine on the road all season batting fourth and playing center field.  Moving him out of center is fine if it's to improve team defence, but I don't see how it's going to improve Wells as a hitter.

However if the team does make that move and it works, I'd like to suggest they also try moving Rios down in the batting order to address his fielding and baserunning gaffes.

Geoff - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 02:05 PM EDT (#202719) #
Of the 17-32 second half, the Jays are 5-17 against AL East opponents. 12-15 vs. everybody else.

There were 5-2 vs. division foes in the first half of entrails. Damn this division for crushing Roy's hopes.
TamRa - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#202725) #
Off topic but this occured to me while reading on MLBTR:

The Jays eat Ryan's deal and it is proof, to some, that a bad GM signed a bad deal.

The Red Sox are now, according to the report, seriously considering eating Lugo's deal, which has almost as much remaining on it as Ryan's does.

And we all know Epstien is top shelf (not sarcasm) so it appears even smart GM's make bad deals, eh?


Mike Green - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#202729) #
Lugo is not in the same class as Ryan.  Even if his knee injury does not allow him to defend well enough to be an everyday shortstop any more, he still hits well enough to be a decent utility infielder.  If he's released, he'll be picked up very, very quickly.  On the other hand, the Sox aren't likely to find takers for him at $9 million/year for 2009 and 2010.
MatO - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#202730) #
Brian Cashman blew more in one off-season on Carl Pavano and Jarret Wright ($60M) than JP in his 8 years.
Mike Green - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 03:59 PM EDT (#202731) #
The Yankees blowing money, MatO?  Say it aint so. 

"We've won more World Series than any two teams combined.  We have more pennants than any other team has playoff appearances.  We've blown more money than many teams have spent."

Forkball - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#202732) #
Brian Cashman blew more in one off-season on Carl Pavano and Jarret Wright ($60M) than JP in his 8 years.

If the Jays traded Wells today they'd be eating more than $60 million.
MatO - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#202734) #

"We've won more World Series than any two teams combined.

Well, not this millennium at least.

MatO - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 04:24 PM EDT (#202735) #

If the Jays traded Wells today they'd be eating more than $60 million.

Wells has some good/excellent years left.  I'm sure of that but I'm not sure when they'll be.  He's not done.  Wright/Pavano stayed healthy just long enough to get big contracts.

John Northey - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#202736) #
Lugo's OPS+ in Boston: 65-78-84 for his age 32-33-34 seasons after 4 years of 96+'s.  Each year he has played less and one has to think that his bat is more likely to be in the 70's than 80's going forward.  John McDonald over the same 3 years (same ages) hit 61-40-84.  Much closer than one would expect in 2 of the 3 years.  Of course, this year is over just 34 PA's in 31 games.

Lugo = backup unless gold glove caliber defense.  However, his defense is listed as a negative in each of the last 2 years (very negative this year).  For comparison McDonald is a plus defensively all 3 years.

Lugo $ value via FanGraphs = +$3.3  +$3.8  -$1.3 = $5.8
McDonald $ value via FanGraphs = +$2.0 -$2.0 +$0.7 = $0.7

Ryan $ value via FanGraphs = -$0.7 +$4.4 -$2.5 = $1.2 (plus $10.8 his first year here and $0 for next year).

Lugo has been more valuable than Ryan and McDonald but this year Lugo is worse than McDonald (thanks to Cito being very, very careful about not letting McDonald hit and Lugo's D going down the drain).  All 3 were poor signings with McDonald being the least bad (under $5 million in cost for almost $1 million in value vs a loss of $37 million for BJ and $30.2 million for Lugo (depending on 2010 and the rest of this year which at this pace will shift him more negative).
John Northey - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 04:46 PM EDT (#202738) #
Vernon values from Fangraphs...
2007: $3.2 million
2008: $5.5 million
2009: -$4.5 million
Total: $4.2 million

His 2006 season was listed as a $21.4 million year, preceded by 3 $10-11 million years.

His contract screams mistake and has from the day it was signed.  I have to think, given he just escaped Delgado's contract, that JP was against it but was assured by Godfrey it wouldn't mess up his budget going forward.  Checking for proof it was a Godfrey deal hasn't turned up much, but http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/12/18/wells-extension-announcement.html is an interesting article from the day it was signed, speculating Wells would've got $200 million over 10 years if he waited for free agency (!!!).
TamRa - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 05:40 PM EDT (#202743) #
Lugo is not in the same class as Ryan.  Even if his knee injury does not allow him to defend well enough to be an everyday shortstop any more, he still hits well enough to be a decent utility infielder.  If he's released, he'll be picked up very, very quickly. 

So? Ryan was signed by the Cubs this afternoon.

He is said to be thought of as a potential lefty specialist (the pitching equivilant of Lugo becoming a utility player.

Geoff - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 05:45 PM EDT (#202744) #
If Wells wants to be set free, he could do himself a favour and use his opt-out clause if he so desired. It would be looked upon as one of the most bizarre moves in the history of professional anything to void such a huge contract when he'd be fortunate to get one of half the size elsewhere, but maybe he really, really wants a more comfortable situation.

Not likely.

Magpie - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#202751) #
The thing about Lugo (and Pavano, and Wright) is Epstein and Cashman have way more margin to work with. They can afford to make a mistake. They print their own money.
leisl - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 04:28 AM EDT (#202759) #
What's happening to the Jays' draft picks this year?  I read at baseballanalysts.com that the none of the picks from the first six rounds have signed with the team yet?
Mike Green - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 09:37 AM EDT (#202765) #
Yeah, WillRain, I should have acknowledged that lefty relievers have more lives than cats.  Ryan was, however, signed to a minor league contract, and likely will have to prove something at the minor league level before being used again in the Show.   Lugo would be usable directly on a major league roster.

MatO - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 09:47 AM EDT (#202766) #
The thing about Lugo (and Pavano, and Wright) is Epstein and Cashman have way more margin to work with. They can afford to make a mistake. They print their own money.   We're all well aware of that but that doesn't mean they aren't trying to get a good return for their money or actually trying to get players who can help them win.  I'm sure Cashman wasn't going into the deals saying that if they don't work out we'll just spend millions on somebody else.
Mike D - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 11:01 AM EDT (#202770) #

The thing about Lugo (and Pavano, and Wright) is Epstein and Cashman have way more margin to work with. They can afford to make a mistake. They print their own money.

Further to this, Magpie, I listened to the audio from a FAN interview with Beeston yesterday.  Beeston suggested that the Halladay deal will only happen if the other club "really doesn't want to make the deal" and if the trade "really hurts the other team."

To me, that means that the thought that the Yankees can make a lowball offer (in terms of prospects) if they agree to absorb Wells should be a non-starter.  As you note, you can't "hurt" Boston or New York by saddling them with contracts.

Thomas - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 11:38 AM EDT (#202772) #

Further to this, Magpie, I listened to the audio from a FAN interview with Beeston yesterday.  Beeston suggested that the Halladay deal will only happen if the other club "really doesn't want to make the deal" and if the trade "really hurts the other team."

To me, that means that the thought that the Yankees can make a lowball offer (in terms of prospects) if they agree to absorb Wells should be a non-starter.  As you note, you can't "hurt" Boston or New York by saddling them with contracts.

The first part of that quote is promising. The other team has to be very reluctant to pull the trigger or else the Jays aren't getting market value for Halladay. The issue I had with Jamey Newvberg's Rangers proposal was that he seemd very comfortable with what the Rangers would be giving up in that hypothetical trade. By ruling several prospects untouchable he ended up with a package that he was fine to part with and, even given the depth of the Rangers system, I don't think that was enough. The same principle should hold true for all teams.

That being said, while you can't really damage Boston or New York by saddling them with Wells's contract it does create a substantial net benefit to the Jays which should not be dismissed. It does create significant financial relief that will likely help the team more than one Grade A- prospect might. That being said, financial relief for the pockets of Rogers isn't something I'm interested in, so I don't want to get rid of Wells's contract unless that money will be spent elsewhere on the roster. There is also an argument worth listening to that JP has shown an inability to spend money well on free agents and providing salary relief isn't going to help the team if it will be spent on Frank Thomas and BJ Ryan Part 2 (although I'm sure JP learned his lesson about 5-year contracts to relievers).

John Northey - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 01:01 PM EDT (#202780) #
That Beeston interview on 590 yesterday was good.  I could swear I heard him say something about the Jays potentially having payroll room to climb to a Boston level but I was driving and there was a lot of road noise so I could be wrong.  Did anyone else hear that?  If so then that would be the best news for keeping Halladay that there could be. 

Last winter there wasn't much to help the Jays immediately.  They could've held onto AJ or signed one of the DH/LF/1B guys out there, but I can understand wanting to hold off as the real weakness is SS/CA when you factor in Lind/Snider/1000s of starting pitchers who are all young and (hopefully) ready to contribute.  Just because you have the money doesn't mean you should always spend it. 

This winter for free agents there are...
1B/DH/LF: Delgado, Nick Johnson, Jim Thome, Rick Ankiel (collapsed this year), Jason Bay, Vladimir Guerrero (also has dropped off), Hideki Matsui among others
CA: nothing of note
SS: a batch of defensive first guys plus Tejada (120 OPS+ this year)
SP: Erik Bedard, Jarrod Washburn, lots of other guys

So for the Jays there are a lot of potential pickups this winter after spending this year figuring out which kids are worthwhile and which are not (assuming a bigger budget is there if needed).  If they want to go 'Canadian' they could sign Bay & Bedard.  Historical: Delgado/Escobar.  Expos: Vladimir & Johnson. 

If I heard right (boy do I hope I did) then winter 2009/2010 could be a fun one.  If Snider comes back up and hits well, and Lind keeps it up, and Overbay keeps it up, and Romero stays good, and Marcum comes back strong then SS/CA might be the only worries going into 2010 (outside of keeping Rios & Wells alert).

ramone - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 05:46 PM EDT (#202793) #

John, just in response to your question about the Beeston interview it was actually McCown's co-host, Bruce Arthur, who mentioned the payroll bump to Boston's level.  This was taken from a Beeston interview earlier in the year stating that the jays could spend like Boston if they maximized stadium revune and fielded a competitive team.  I think Bruce took this out of context when he stated it in the interview yesterday as something the Jays could do on a whim.  Also Beeston made no reply to that statement yesterday, neither confirming or denying that it was still possible to bump payroll next year.

I think this is acutally the most telling line from the Beeston interview (This quote is from Beeston):

"Roy has his own goals and one has to look back and say, can we help him accommodate them?” Beeston said. “So, giving all the money to Roy Halladay, and we can’t have anybody else, doesn’t meet what he wants, and he’s a smart man…”

I don't really take this interview as positively as say TSN has ran with it, running on their ticker that the Jays won't trade Halladay.  I actually think after hearing the interview that it is Roy who has either asked out or more likely hinted he won't be resigning with the Jays.

Jim - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#202794) #

And I'm telling you this - the second half will be better than the first. Significantly better.

I could not disagree more.  Half season from hell coming.  The schedule is brutal and the distractions are going to pile up.

 

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