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Sure the big-league club stunk it up last night and the club lost a Gold Glove third baseman at the trade deadline, but Halladay is still here and the triple-A affiliate had a big night with the bats... So, baseball life goes on.

Las Vegas 14 Portland 1

Adrian Martin had a nice return to Las Vegas after opening the season with the club before getting demoted to double-A. The right-hander allowed one run in 6.2 innings of work, while allowing three hits and no walks. He struck out four batters. Bill Murphy worked the final 2.1 innings and did not allow a run. Offensively, Travis Snider had a big night and looks to be getting back into the swing of things. The outfielder went 4-for-6 with four doubles and five RBI. Angel Sanchez went 3-for-4 with two runs scored. Randy 'Batters Box Fav' Ruiz had three hits, including a double, and drove in three runs. Aaron Mathews, Howie Clark, and Kevin Howard each had two hits. Mathews and Jason Lane had solo homers.

New Hampshire postponed

Palm Beach 3 Dunedin 0

The Dunedin bats have been in the funk for a few days now. Brad McElroy pulled himself out of a mini-slump with a 2-for-4 day. Moises Sierra, who may be tiring a bit as we enter the final month of the season for minor leaguers, went 2-for-3 with a double. John Tolisano was 1-for-4 with the club's only other extra base hit (another double). Kevin Ahrens and CJ Ebarb each had a hit. On the bump, Andrew Liebel fell to 4-11 after allowing two runs on four hits and four walks. He also struck out five batters. Boomer Potts allowed one run in 1.1 innings, while Trystan Magnuson worked a scoreless inning.

Kane County 12 Lansing 4

The Lugnuts were no match for this A's affiliate. Starter Chris Holguin was rocked for five runs on four hits and three walks in five innings. Ryan Koch's nightmare season continued with five runs (three earned) allowed in one inning. Jonas Cuotto allowed two runs on five hits in two innings of work. Matt Daly had a tidy ninth inning. Offensively, Johermyn Chavez' streak of quality games continued with two hits, including a triple. Brian Van Kirk went 1-for-2 with two walks and two runs scored. Antonio Jimenez had two hits, an RBI and two Ks. Justin McClanahan went 1-for-4 with a double and run scored (and two Ks). Luis Fernandez went 0-for-4 with a K and an error. Kenny Wilson was 0-for-4 with two Ks.

State College 1 Auburn 0

The Doubledays were on the losing end of this pitchers' duel. Evan Crawford did not allow a run in 4.2 innings despite allowing five walks (and three hits). Zach Anderson worked one scoreless inning, while Brian Justice allowed one run in two innings and took the loss. He also struck out four batters. Welinton Ramirez had two hits and stole a base. Yan Gomes, Kyle Gilligan, and Ryan Schimpf each had singles.

GCL Jays 5 GCL Braves 3 (8 innings - rain)

Dennis Tepera had a nice start and allowed one run in four innings of work. He allowed four hits and no walks, while striking out three. Felix Moreno struck out six, while allowing no hits and one walk in 1.2 innings of work. Evan Teague worked a scoreless inning for the save. Michael Crouse went 3-for-4 with a run scored and a double. Gustavo Pierre went 2-for-4 and continued to show above-average power for his age with his fourth homer (a grand slam). Bryson Namba went 2-for-3 with his first career homer (a solo shot). Nick Zaleski and John Roberts each had a hit.

Three Stars:
3. Michael Crouse, for a three-hit day
2. Gustavo Pierre, for his fourth homer and first career grand slam
1. Travis Snider, for four hits, including four doubles

Side Note: The two young pitchers picked up for Scott Rolen yesterday (along with Edwin Encarnacion) were indeed a nice pick-up. I have followed both extensively through my work for both Fangraphs.com and Rotoworld.com.

Here is what I wrote about Zach Stewart on July 2:
Zach Stewart: A 2008 third-round pick out of Texas Tech, Stewart has had no problems dominating hitters in professional baseball. His up-and-down college career included stints in both the starting rotation and the bullpen. His pro career has been no different; Stewart spent his debut season in the ‘pen before moving to the rotation in 2009. He made seven starts in both high-A and double-A before moving back to the bullpen with a recent promotion to triple-A. That moves pretty much signifies that the Cincinnati organization views Stewart, 22, as a prospect that can help the club in the not-too-distant future. In double-A, the right-hander allowed just 29 hits in 37 innings of work while posting rates of 2.43 BB/9 and 7.54 K/9. He also does a nice job of keeping balls-in-play on the ground.

Here is a Josh Roenicke bit from June 17:
You'd think the Cincinnati Reds' minor league system would start to slow down after producing the likes of Joey Votto, Jay Bruce, and Johnny Cueto in the past few seasons, but the organization still has plenty of depth. At triple-A alone, the club has three relievers who could probably help a lot of MLB clubs right now in Josh Roenicke, Robert Manuel, and Pedro Viola. Each player in the trio was acquired by the organization through different means. Roenicke (whose brother Jason just made his season debut for the Jays' low-A affiliate) was selected in the 10th round of the 2006 draft out of UCLA. The right-hander has posted solid numbers throughout his minor league career and has 54 saves in parts of four seasons. Roenicke, 26, has the stuff (a mid-to-high-90s fastball and good cutter) to be a useful MLB middle reliever. And we'll find out soon enough. He was just recalled by the Reds last night.
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westcoast dude - Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 11:37 AM EDT (#203854) #
Thanks for your insights on Josh Roenicke and Zack Stewart, Marc.  The immediate payoff is moving Accardo back down to Vegas.  He pitched poorly in the 8th inning in  the 10-9 loss to the Rays last month: three hits and a walk scoring two runs, starting the team spiral in their most ignominious loss, finally digging his own grave.  Can we now admit that the Giants knew what they were doing when they unloaded him for Shea Hillenbrand?
sduguid - Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 11:55 AM EDT (#203855) #
Even if Accardo isn't of much use now, I'd say the Jays still got the better of that trade.  I'd certainly do it over again.
sam - Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 12:17 PM EDT (#203856) #
I like the trade. Outside of Danny Farqhuar, I don't think the Jays have any true power arms in the system, guys who possess that 95+ fastball and power breaking stuff. JP filled a huge void that any future contending team needs.
Paul D - Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 12:51 PM EDT (#203858) #
Can we now admit that the Giants knew what they were doing when they unloaded him for Shea Hillenbrand?

I don't want to be rude, but this comment is insane.  That trade has been a huge plus for the Jays. Accardo's ERA + for the year is 150 (yes, that's not a great way to evaluate relievers, but it does show that Accardo is nowhere near a bust)
Pistol - Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 01:18 PM EDT (#203861) #
Can we now admit that the Giants knew what they were doing when they unloaded him for Shea Hillenbrand?

I would, but I can't seem to find Hillenbrand's stats from this year or last year.  All I can find are the 74 OPS+ after he left the Jays in 2006 and the 56 OPS+ he had in 2007.  Must be a glitch with Baseball Reference.
Spifficus - Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 01:21 PM EDT (#203862) #

I don't want to be rude, but this comment is insane.

Insanely funny? Pretty sure it was sarcasm. He just got caught in a numbers game on a team that needs multiple innings more (due to all the young starters)... Either that, or he ran over Cito's dog.

It's a pretty nice problem to have, where you're 4-deep in power righties (League, Roenicke, then down a notch on the fastball to Frasor and Accardo). Hopefully we can sneak someone through waivers and convert a piece or two. I mean, it's nice to scream "Pitching Depth!" but it's going to be tough to find work for that many late-inning righties (plus Janssen). Accardo's already undeservedly in LV.

Mylegacy - Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 01:33 PM EDT (#203863) #
Thanks Marc.

Since I found out you're at Fangraphs I go there every day to see if you've added anything new. Always enjoy your stuff. However, I didn't know you do stuff at Rotoworld as well...I also go there every day... any of your stuff under your name or is it all anonymous? Anywhere else I can find your work?

Any chance we'll have a post season minor league update from you? Your stuff is ALWAYS fantastic.

Marc Hulet - Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#203864) #
Mylegacy, my Rotoworld stuff is subscriber only in the Season Pass section of the fantasy baseball coverage. Occasionally some of my stuff also makes it onto the NBCsports.com site as well (as rotoworld is owned by them).

You can definitely expect post-season coverage on the Jays from me in a variety of places... where and when... I'll let you know in a bit.

Paul D - Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 02:10 PM EDT (#203869) #
Insanely funny? Pretty sure it was sarcasm. He just got caught in a numbers game on a team that needs multiple innings more (due to all the young starters)... Either that, or he ran over Cito's dog.

My apologies.

Here's a comment from Mike Emeigh at Primer:

Stewart will be very good; the question is whether he will be very good as a middle-of-the-rotation starter or as a closer. I'd try to leave him in the rotation it if were up to me, but I can understand the temptation to use him to close out games. He is very similar to Joba in many ways.

Since the Reds affiliated with the Mudcats this year, I've had a chance to watch how they hadnel their farm system, and I have to say that I now understand why the Cardinals took that responsibility and gave it to Luhnow.

-- MWE
uglyone - Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 05:23 PM EDT (#203879) #

Stewart's the same age as Alonso, and he's ripping it up in AAA whle Alonso is struggling in AA (much like Cooper).

Good chance this was the Reds' #1 prospect we got back here.

LouisvilleJayFan - Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 07:56 PM EDT (#203884) #
Anybody heard anything on when Brad Mills is supposed to return from the DL?
brent - Saturday, August 01 2009 @ 11:58 PM EDT (#203893) #
This should be interesting how our first 5 draft picks have only two weeks to get a deal done. Strasburg is really going to hold up the draft class from signing with no established market.
TamRa - Sunday, August 02 2009 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#203908) #
So, as it stands now, between Toronto and Las Vegas you have these pitchers (including the potentially injured) in theory, though some might be blocked and so forth:


Starters, at least nominally (14)-

Halladay
Marcum
McGowan
Litsch
Richmond
Romero
Cecil
Rzepczynski
Purcey
Mills
Ray
Stewart
Castro
Perez

Relievers (12)

Downs
Frasor
League
Janssen
Roenicke
Accardo
Camp
Tallet
Carlson
Hayhurst?
Wolfe?
Farquar

I could see where a couple more of those relievers could stand to be lefties but on the whole, that's pretty insane depth. On the other hand, if Roenicke breaks out as the closer in 2010 then you have three lefties now (though I have my doubts whether a budget concious team won't try to deal Tallet and Frasor before next spring)



uglyone - Sunday, August 02 2009 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#203911) #

after perusing the payroll for next year, I think the clearest way to clear some salary is in the bullpen.

As much as it may hurt, I think we have to let all the vets with big or soon to be big contracts go - that means Downs, Frasor, Camp, and Tallet.

That'll save us a good $10 mil in payroll, and leave us with this pitching staff:

  • SP R.Halladay
  • SP S.Marcum
  • SP R.Romero
  • SP B.Cecil
  • SP M.Rzepczynski
  • * SP D.McGowan
  • * SP J.Litsch

 

  • RP B.League
  • RP J.Roenicke
  • RP J.Carlson
  • RP J.Accardo
  • RP Z.Stewart
  • RP B.Mills
  • RP S.Richmond
  • RP D.Purcey
  • RP R.Ray
  • * RP C.Janssen

with perhaps some more arms coming back in return for the arms we moved.

Now it's risky, and we're betting on health for once, and that pen could implode - but that's a lot of quality arms there (17 on that list), with many of the 'pen arms being able to start, and definitely there's the talent there to be a very good pitching staff, for peanuts (only Roy would be making any real money there).

And then with the extra $10 mil, we can upgrade the offense somwhere.

If there's any serious notion of "putting our best foot forward" next year, that upgrade is necessary, and going cheap on the bullpen is the gamble we'd have to take to make that upgrade, IMO.

TamRa - Sunday, August 02 2009 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#203912) #
I agree. I've been on the bandwagon for getting value out of Frasor, Tallet, and Camp before next year for a while now, and as much as I like League's stuff, I'm thinking he has more value now as a trade chip than what he could do for us (I wonder if we couldn't turn up a young SS in exchange for him or Downs?) and Scotty....well...I could go either way on him but if we developed some LH depth in the manuvering or kept Tallet around....there is wisdom in selling high if we know we're not going to bring him back in 2011.

Downs and League have the potential to bring back some nice return. Either seperately or in combination with some other player being dealt (like Overbay maybe)


Jays2010 - Sunday, August 02 2009 @ 05:30 PM EDT (#203919) #

As much as it may hurt, I think we have to let all the vets with big or soon to be big contracts go - that means Downs, Frasor, Camp, and Tallet.

There is NO way you trade all four of these players if the goal is to contend in 2010. Two of the four, sure. To me, that is one of Downs/Frasor and one of Campl/Tallet and not both Down and Tallet because there goes the LHP depth in the 'pen. Now it can be argued that the Jays should not be trying to contend in 2010...if so, then sure, have a firesale...

 

brent - Sunday, August 02 2009 @ 06:53 PM EDT (#203923) #
If you're looking to save money, Bautista will have to not be offered a contract and let J-Mac walk. That would free up maybe 4-5 million without hurting the Jays chances of contention. Depth would take a hit, but how much really? 
TamRa - Monday, August 03 2009 @ 12:01 AM EDT (#203935) #
I'd be REAL disappointed if we resigned J-Mac for anything much more than the minimum.

I'd hope we would try to deal Bautista if we were going to let him go first. Also, it might be possible to non-tender him and then resign him to something less than the expected arbitration deal.

But all that aside, we could probably live with Inglett in that role if we are pinching pennies


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