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I had this mad idea...


But before we get to it, let's stomp on a rumour. These things take on a life of their own, and I have no doubt that we're going to be hearing versions of it from now until the next manager is hired. But let's try to strangle the ugly baby in its crib, okay?

As some of you know, former MLB GM Jim Bowden posted the following tweet the other day:

"If I was pushed to stay another year I would...but if I'm asked to step aside I will"...Cito Gaston...Blue Jays should bring him back

Bowden was presumably plugging his radio interview with the manager. What Gaston actually said was:

If I was pushed to stay another year, that's fine, but I think they really need to get somebody in here that's going to be around here two or three, maybe three more years, and I don't intend to stay that long -- one way or another.

The next day, after being questioned on the subject, he added:

In my mind? Yeah, it's pretty final that I'm going to leave. I've said it a few times, and I think it's best for the ballclub. I think they'll get somebody in here that's going to be here for a few years. As I told him, if I was a little bit younger, and I wanted to be around for two or three more years, which I think that would be OK, then I'd probably be kicking and screaming to stay here. But that's not the case for me. If I do come back, it would only be for one year, so what is that going to do for anybody unless it gives them time to find who they want? But Alex, I'm pretty sure he's on the job looking right now. It's OK. I'm ready to go. No problem.

Not quite the full Sherman, but about as near as you could get, I would think. But I assume we're going to hear about it going forward nevertheless...

Anyway, here's my idea. Dream with me, if you will.

Imagine baseball if.... they ran the bases clockwise instead of counter-clockwise.

That's right - Lyle Overbay, Gold Glove third baseman. (He'd be standing in the same spot on the field as he does now, but that would of course be third  base.)

There would be a premium on athletes who threw left-handed to cover the three infield positions - a much smaller part of the population would have to supply the talent. You wouldn't waste LH throwers in the outfield, or at first base, and if they could hit even a little you probably wouldn't have them pitch, either.

Fewer LH pitchers would be a wonderful thing for LH batters, of course.

Is there something in our DNA that says if we're going to travel in something resembling a circle, and finish where we started, we're going to be turning left the whole time? Whether it's the Indy 500, or the 1500, or speed skating... what's up with that, anyway?

I'm right-handed by the way. No axe to grind here!
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Helpmates - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 11:20 AM EDT (#220475) #
Jim Bowden is a confirmed liar, incompetent and all-around charlatan.
Moe - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 11:30 AM EDT (#220478) #
I remember watching something on TV about this many years ago. And the basic answer seems to be yes. It is natural for us to drift to the left and that's why we circle tracks (and bases) counterclockwise. Of course, in baseball, it's also easier for RHB this way. And since they are in the majority, you have another reason for circling the bases the way we do.
Forkball - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#220479) #
Imagine baseball if.... they ran the bases clockwise instead of counter-clockwise.

I was recently in a hotel and there was a mirror on the opposite wall of the TV.  So if you looked in the mirror you'd see exactly what you are describing.  It's really weird to see someone run to 'third base'.  And RH swings suddenly look 'sweeter'.

Was baseball set up the way it is because most people are RH and would be running forward after making contact?
Chuck - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 11:49 AM EDT (#220481) #

My theory: Since most people are righthanded, their dominant leg is also their right one. As such, when righthanders run counterclockwise, they need to push harder on the right leg, the outside leg, when making turns, and this is most naturally done by pushing on their dominant leg.

When learning to ski and skate, I always felt more comfortable stopping and turning by pushing on my right leg.

I imagine that proficient skiers and skaters are ambidextruous as far as their feet are concerned. I imagine the lefties who have spent a lifetime playing baseball are the same and don't find running counterclockwise unnatural, the way we righties might feel running clockwise.

Any lefthanders out there to contradict my hooey? How would you react to running and turning clockwise? My gut tells me that it would be more natural for you than for us righties.

Magpie - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 12:06 PM EDT (#220482) #
I imagine that proficient skiers and skaters are ambidextruous as far as their feet are concerned.

I don't know about skis, but that's a yes for skating. Clockwise, counter-clockwise, stopping with the left, stopping with the right - it's all the same. (I can't remember what it was like when I was learning, but I was three years old so gimme a break!) In the kicking games, though, I was most definitely right-footed.
Ducey - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#220486) #

I think it would have something to do with passing.  Baseball pre existed cars (I think) but whether walking or driving in North America you pass an oncoming object on the right.  It seems natural to pass the pitcher on the right.

Maybe if you figure out why we drive on the right side, you might get a clue?  I am guessing its because railways had their signs on the right side.

As well, I expect the fact that being left hander was frowned upon (you were punsihed if you wrote LH) and LH gloves were likely rare, encouraged most to throw RH.  As you say, this meant infielder would have an easier throw across the diamond.

In the end, it was just likely happen stance.

Gerry - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 01:44 PM EDT (#220488) #
They play that way on our mirror image planet in an alternate universe.  At least that what the voices tell me.
Matthew E - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 01:47 PM EDT (#220489) #
I suspect it might have something to do with ancient rituals in which you circle, I think, an altar or a city or something in a counterclockwise path. It's been a while since I saw the thing I read about this in so I don't have the details handy (but in any case, the introduction of baseball into that subject is entirely my notion).
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 01:56 PM EDT (#220491) #
They play that way on our mirror image planet in an alternate universe

Where Willie Mays was Jackie Robinson and vice versa.
ComebyDeanChance - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 02:00 PM EDT (#220492) #
If they ran the bases clockwise, Jose Cruz Jr. may still be playing.
Matthew E - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#220493) #
They play that way on our mirror image planet in an alternate universe

Where Willie Mays was Jackie Robinson and vice versa.

And Andujar Cedeno was named Cesar Joaquin.
DJR - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 02:42 PM EDT (#220494) #
Perhaps this is the Coriolis effect.  We are mostly water.  This would also explain why baseball hasn't caught on in the Southern Hemisphere.
jvictor - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 02:49 PM EDT (#220495) #
Just for a lark a bunch of decided to try a game like this.  Oh my misspent youth.  For those less acquainted with the game it was not much of a problem.  For everyone else, it was a nightmare.  Even some innings in you would get a hit and be thinking about a double when the screaming would attract your attention and you were forced go the other way.  Fielding was just as bad.  Funny how something so simple can throw you for such a loop.  But I still remember it as an enjoyable lark.
Mylegacy - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 03:10 PM EDT (#220498) #
jvictor - it wouldn't be an enjoyable "lark" it would be an enjoyable "magpie."

Magpie - I understand senior citizens - like myself - with more time on their scotch befuddled hands (and minds) than is good for men or beasts to come up with such folly - but, for a fine young, sober, refined gentleman - such as yourself - to waste time with such musings - well - makes me thinks before long I won't be the only lose cannon on the site. Drink up.

Mike Green - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#220499) #
lose cannon

Fortunately, in the alternative universe, it's a win cannon.  Speaking of winning, I wonder who will do the catching tonight and tomorrow afternoon.  With Marcum and Mills due to start, I'd be inclined to go Arencibia followed by Molina. 
Moe - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#220500) #
On the other hand, JPA has caught Mills all year. In that case, it would be Molina/JPA/JPA/Molina. Although, this would set up Romero/JPA again. We'll find out in 3 hours.
smcs - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 04:06 PM EDT (#220501) #
Per Bastian's twitter:

            Jays lineup: Snider LF Escobar SS Bautista RF Wells CF Lind DH Hill 2B Overbay 1B Encarnacion 3B Arencibia C. Marcum P.


So that whole idea of rotating 7 between 6 positions (3 OF, 3B, 1B, DH) has become Fred Lewis riding the pine.

Mike Green - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#220502) #
We'll find out in 3 hours

Or, courtesy of Bastian, in 30 minutes.  It's a good learning experience for Arencibia to catch Marcum. 
Mick Doherty - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 04:45 PM EDT (#220504) #

They play that way on our mirror image planet in an alternate universe.  At least that what the voices tell me.

The universe where Roy Halladay, the crafty young lefty, wears a beard? (Required Star Trek reference in alternate universe talk now fulfilled.)

Magpie - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 05:58 PM EDT (#220513) #

That alternate universe - that must be the one where I'm young, sober, and refined.

Three attributes I may have possessed in passing, but certainly not at the same time.

Nick Holmes - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 06:17 PM EDT (#220514) #
The universe where Roy Halladay, the crafty young lefty, wears a beard? Nah, he was banned for steroids, the bastard.
bball12 - Wednesday, August 11 2010 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#220524) #
None of the Gaston talk means anything - although it may be fun to throw stuff around about the guy.

If you manage a team in the AL East - and pursue a Softball Beer League approach to the game - you will be watching the Playoffs from your living room.
Every single year.

You will not win anything when you are close to last in the Major Leagues in OBP.

If they arent on the bases - they wont be scoring.

Snider leading off?

Seriously - its time for Cito to go.
AA needs to get the party started - and it begins with Cito going bye bye.



jerjapan - Thursday, August 12 2010 @ 07:01 AM EDT (#220536) #
Cito batting Snider leadoff is one of my favourite developments of the year - it shows a willingness to go AGAINST the orthodoxy that he's so often slammed for following.  If this is a developmental year, who do you want getting the most at bats?  if you are concerned about OBP, Snider's on par with the rest of the team outside of Bautista and has room to improve in this area. 

And to fault Cito for the low OBP on the team overall seems especially unfair given the talent he has to work with - it's just not a high OBP team,and frankly, I'd say this offense outside of Lind and Hill is pretty close to max potential this year.  

I think it's time for Cito to hang them up too, but some of the arguments against the man seem pretty half-baked to me

Chuck - Thursday, August 12 2010 @ 10:00 AM EDT (#220544) #
Cito batting Snider leadoff is one of my favourite developments of the year

I think this "decision" has a lot more to do with the fact that the guy he's replacing, Lewis, bats leadoff. Had the regular LF been a 5th place hitter, that's where Snider would have been slotted in.

I'll reiterate my preference for Escobar to be the fulltime leadoff hitter. He'd serve as a nice segue from Scutaro last year.
Mike Green - Thursday, August 12 2010 @ 10:21 AM EDT (#220548) #
Batting order decisions aren't really a big deal.  Personally, I'd like to see the top of the lineup run Escobar, Snider, Wells, Bautista...The OBP under .330 in the 4 slot isn't ideal. 
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