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Wouldn't you like to keep moving
Your life would be slightly improving
When you better come on by
And take a letter down
And send it out as sympathy



Two teams on the horizon of the next round, but only one can advance and one game will decide whom. Both the Rangers and the Blue Jays summon their Game 2 starters, Cole Hamels and Marcus Stroman respectively, to try and make it happen. Both starters went seven innings in that game and both allowed four runs (two earned for Hamels, three for Stroman) and neither factored into the final decision. Both of them also surrendered most of their runs in the first two innings, and were dominant from that point onward. Should be fun.

Lineups

RANGERS

DeShields (CF)
Choo (RF)
Fielder (DH)
Beltre (3B)
Moreland (1B)
Hamilton (LF)
Andrus (SS)
Odor (2B)
Gimenez (C)
Hamels (P)

BLUE JAYS

Revere (LF)
Donaldson (3B)
Bautista (RF)
Encarnacion (DH)
Colabello (1B)
Tulowitzki (SS)
Martin (C)
Pillar (CF)
Goins (2B)
Stroman (P)

There's not much else to say. It's a one game take all, where heroes are born in some eyes and villains spawned in others. The Blue Jays fell, but got back up, tried to brush the dust off. Win or lose, we'll lose all sense of time...

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Magpie - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 01:37 PM EDT (#313281) #
Are we out of the woods yet? Well, the Jays just have to beat the MVP of the 2008 World Series. You know, the last guy to beat Jake Freaking Arrieta (how did he do that? He threw a no-hitter, how else?)

As Cardinals fans are aware, Taylor Swift played two shows in St. Louis on September 28 and 29, before moving on to the Rogers Centre. In the two weeks since, she's been in Fargo, Des Moines, and Omaha - places where she can do no harm.

She visits AT&T Stadium in Arlington next. On Saturday night.
uglyone - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 01:40 PM EDT (#313283) #
so yeah, big game today.
Kasi - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 02:09 PM EDT (#313285) #
Scott MacArthur @ScottyMacThinks

Gibbons: Loup isn't here; Price won't pitch. #BlueJays #MLB #Rangers #ALDS

No lefties to go to. Hope we don't need one.
christaylor - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 04:17 PM EDT (#313287) #
Not a pro-Jays crowd at McGreevy's in the Universal Hub. Much love for DrShields on Stroman's hanger.

Where is everyone else watching?
mathesond - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#313288) #
I'm on my couch (Yonge & Lawrence area), sipping a Muskoka Harvest Ale. No love for DeShields here!
vw_fan17 - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 04:24 PM EDT (#313289) #
At my (home office) desk on a separate laptop.. Thankfully VPN into a Canadian server works for mlb.tv!
James W - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 04:46 PM EDT (#313290) #
That third strike call on Tulowitzki was Carapazza-esque.
Four Seamer - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#313291) #
Even our old friend Vic would have been embarrassed by that punch-out.
Chuck - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 04:51 PM EDT (#313292) #
Hopefully the game won't turn on that single call. The side angle suggested that it crossed the plate below the knees.
vw_fan17 - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 05:05 PM EDT (#313293) #
Need to grind this out and get to the Ranger's bullpen ASAP..
vw_fan17 - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 05:10 PM EDT (#313294) #
Nice hit by Jose!
vw_fan17 - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 05:24 PM EDT (#313295) #
Wow - Pillar!! If that falls, it could be a double with a big bounce..
Chuck - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#313296) #
Poor Delino is having a Charlie Brown at-bat.
ISLAND BOY - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:07 PM EDT (#313297) #
Edwin !!!! Walk the parrot !!
vw_fan17 - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:11 PM EDT (#313298) #
Each pitcher around 100 pitches, tied games.  Basically a bullpen battle at this point..
Four Seamer - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:23 PM EDT (#313299) #
Just a terribly sloppy play by Martin.
Jimbag - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:28 PM EDT (#313300) #
Ump called the play dead, there was no possibility of a play. He would have been safe, no question, but he put up his hands.
ISLAND BOY - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:28 PM EDT (#313301) #
Sloppy ? It was just a normal throwback to the pitcher, why should he have to throw around a batter sticking his arm straight out ?
Jimbag - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:29 PM EDT (#313302) #
A pitch thrown after time is called is not a pitch.
Four Seamer - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:33 PM EDT (#313303) #
I don't think I need to explain what makes that a sloppy play by Martin, with a runner on third.
Chuck - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:38 PM EDT (#313304) #
Goins better not be batting.
Jimbag - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:39 PM EDT (#313305) #
I get the application of the rule, that makes perfect sense. But when the home plate ump put up his hands to signal the play dead, that should have been the end of story. Anyway, the whole lineup gets at least one more shot, let's just win this outright.
Jimbag - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#313306) #
Karma is cruel.
Jimbag - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:44 PM EDT (#313307) #
One more Texas error to square things up, please.
James W - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:44 PM EDT (#313308) #
There's a saying that "boots come in pairs." I guess Andrus has 3 feet.
ISLAND BOY - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:44 PM EDT (#313309) #
Now THAT is sloppy play .
vw_fan17 - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:46 PM EDT (#313310) #
If we can't score at least 1 here, we don't deserve to win..
vw_fan17 - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:54 PM EDT (#313311) #
Ok, Jose.. RELAX. We don't need a 6-run homerun..
Jimbag - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:55 PM EDT (#313312) #
Amen.
vw_fan17 - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:55 PM EDT (#313313) #
Ok, 3-run HR will do :-)
James W - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:56 PM EDT (#313314) #
That bat flip though!
scottt - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:58 PM EDT (#313315) #
Karma.
Jimbag - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:58 PM EDT (#313316) #
Nice going, fans, let the ugly Canadian comments begin.
vw_fan17 - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 06:59 PM EDT (#313317) #
Stay classy, Hogtown..
Alex Obal - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 07:07 PM EDT (#313318) #
Pillar's diving catch. Goins' slide up the middle. Donaldson's blind barehand.

Let us not forget any of this, win or lose.
scottt - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 07:15 PM EDT (#313319) #
I would have gone to Lowe for the 8th.
James W - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 07:20 PM EDT (#313320) #
I haven't thrown a single thing yet. Why is Harold Reynolds lecturing me?
ISLAND BOY - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#313322) #
Three more outs !
vw_fan17 - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#313323) #
Sam Dyson is creepy/scary looking..
vw_fan17 - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 07:42 PM EDT (#313324) #
One to go!
Magpie - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#313325) #
Had 'em all the way.
scottt - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 07:48 PM EDT (#313326) #
So, Bats for series MVP?

Alex Obal - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 07:49 PM EDT (#313327) #
Oh, and Gibbons PR'ing Pompey for Martin when he saw the wheel play on when they bunted Goins in the 7th. Heads-up.

What a ridiculous game. Live through this, and you won't look back.
bpoz - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 07:53 PM EDT (#313328) #
Breathe, relax and CELEBTATE !!!!
James W - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 07:53 PM EDT (#313329) #
They don't award MVP for the LDS.
christaylor - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 07:54 PM EDT (#313330) #
Stars reference? Nice.
ISLAND BOY - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#313331) #
That was emotionally draining. Playoff baseball is a blast !
Alex Obal - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 07:58 PM EDT (#313332) #
Also, Jose Bautista had a colossal home run and mic drop in the 7th inning as well. So that's what that feels like.


Jimbag - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 07:58 PM EDT (#313333) #
The streak continues. 24 years without losing a playoff series.
ayjackson - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#313334) #
that change-up...wow.
Mike Green - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 08:03 PM EDT (#313335) #
Very satisfying. The next series promises to be great. We won't have to endure political ads after Monday and that is a definite plus.

True to form, the Jays outscored the Rangers by 7 runs but the outcome was in doubt until the end.

Ishai - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 08:05 PM EDT (#313336) #
What a series! Wow! Elvis has had a pretty good career, but I'm guessing he won't sleep much tonight.

Whereas the Blue Jays D! So good! And I'm going to adopt the Shin Soo Choo in between pitches stance. You know. Just in case.
Four Seamer - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 08:12 PM EDT (#313337) #
Incredible - both the game and the celebration. It's been a long time since I've had this much fun watching sports.
AWeb - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#313338) #
Wooo!!!! The guys in the banner come through!
Dave Till - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#313339) #
Wow. Except for the final game of the 1992 World Series, this is the most intense game I have ever seen.

There would have been no problem with the Texas go ahead run if the umpire had not waved the play off. The ball is live in that situation, but the fielders would have stopped trying for the ball after the wave-off. Virtually everybody - Jays fans, the umpires, the Toronto police force, the Rogers Centre staff - were grateful that that run didn't decide the game. Things could have gotten very unpleasant otherwise.

That bat flip by Jose was epic.

Texas deserved to lose that series after their fielding in the seventh inning. They had it, and they lost it.

You'll have to excuse me now - I have to go watch that bat flip some more.
obo - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 08:52 PM EDT (#313340) #
Is there decent video of the flip anywhere?  All I can find on mlb.com and elsewhere is an abbreviated 10 second version.
uglyone - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 09:03 PM EDT (#313341) #
best sporting event i have ever seen. unreal.

Stroman 24
Sanchez 22
Osuna 20

amazing.
Magpie - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#313342) #
 photo CRUe3GhUsAAllvL.jpg
Cracka - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#313343) #
You might even say that it's AA-mazing that 3 home grown talents won this game for us - two 1st round picks and a $1.5M investment in a Mexican man-child.

This game was vindication for Gibbons for his pitching choices and affirmation of AA's decision to go big or go home at the deadline.

It's a good day to be Blue Jays fan.
obo - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#313344) #
Nice photo!  The two minute video is now up at mlb.com.
rafael - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 09:19 PM EDT (#313345) #
how many times did Cecil get thrown out ? but he was there at end.
Karma got that game back after the Sin Choo who me thing.
Forgotten: Ben Revere out on Donaldson's single = worse base running than in my beer league. have to take as much lead off first as you can.
James W - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 09:23 PM EDT (#313346) #
Blaming Ben Revere on that is just wrong. If he takes off and the ball is caught, then he's easily doubled off and the inning ends. I guess blame him for turning his back on it, maybe...
Mike Green - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 09:26 PM EDT (#313347) #
Revere broke towards second then broke back as it appeared that Odor would catch the ball easily. Odor's lazy approach to the ball understandably fooled Revere, I thought.
Magpie - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#313349) #
Ben Revere out on Donaldson's single = worse base running than in my beer league.

Disagree. Revere, who had a perfect view, saw that the ball was going to be caught. So of course he breaks back to first. If he gets doubled off, the inning is over with the Rangers still ahead by a run. I was shocked when the ball wasn't caught. It looks like Rough Ned froze for an instant as the ball came off the bat, got his feet slightly tangled when he started backing up, and still barely missed it by a couple of inches.
cybercavalier - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#313350) #
Who will be the ALCS Game 1 starter against the other team ? No Stroman...
Magpie - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 09:39 PM EDT (#313351) #
I would assume it'll be Estrada on Friday, Price on Saturday.
Mike Green - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#313352) #
...and Stroman on Monday. Bring it on.
smcs - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#313353) #
I know it's, like, the 20th biggest thing from the game, but Pompey's slide was utter trash, and is the exact type of slide that would be outlawed if the league had cared to enforce the rule book. Late, wide, and predatory.
Mike Green - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#313354) #
That was the most testosterone on display at a ballgame that I can remember. I joked that if they could bottle it, Low T would no longer be an issue in Toronto.

That bat flip alone had enough testosterone to lead to some Olympic disqualifications.
JB21 - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 10:19 PM EDT (#313355) #
SN showing Jays Encore instead of Jays 30 aka the entire game.
John Northey - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#313356) #
Yeah, Estrada, Price, Stroman, Dickey, Estrada, Price, Stroman if needed for all 7. So the big 3 would get 2 starts each and Dickey one start. Then 2 days off before the World Series. So that would be the same as the ALCS if the ALCS goes 7 (Estrada, Price, Stroman, Dickey, Estrada, Price, Stroman). Nice. The offdays work out perfectly for the Jays should they keep going.
James W - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 10:33 PM EDT (#313357) #
The slide was not wide; he slid right over home plate. If you feel there should be no takeout slides at all, that's your prerogative.
JB21 - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 10:37 PM EDT (#313358) #
Gibby's interview with Kenny Rosenthal is great, you gotta love Gibby.
Magpie - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#313359) #
Time for the rematch. Payback time. It's only been thirty years.

I would expect Volquez in Game 1, Ventura in Game 3.
Jimbag - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 11:06 PM EDT (#313360) #
Yep, KC it is. Lock up the cutlery in the dugouts.
uglyone - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 11:12 PM EDT (#313361) #
would prefer Hague over Carrera this series.
smcs - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#313362) #
The slide was not wide; he slid right over home plate. If you feel there should be no takeout slides at all, that's your prerogative.


You and I must have different definitions of "right over." He slid with the intent to take out an unsuspecting Gimenez' legs, not to score the run. It's not like he slid in on a tight play, and clipped Gimenez' back leg, or slid straight in, with his body acting as a barrier to Gimenez stepping into a throw to 3rd base. He aimed for the front leg out in front of the plate, and Pompey's body, not his front foot, went over home plate. It's not "Chase Utley"-level dirty, but it is a dirty play that shouldn't be in baseball.

Anyways, it's a discussion for the offseason, which is thankfully still not here.
cruzin - Wednesday, October 14 2015 @ 11:54 PM EDT (#313363) #
I knew the baseball Gods wouldn't allow a playoff series to be decided a fluke play. So they decided to spite the Rangers for taking advantage of a rule with 3 consecutive errors, followed up with a poor route on a jammed soft liner to even things up. Then let the classic mano a mano pitcher/batter confrontation take place which set up the stage for.....

Well we know what happened next, leave a pitch that caught too much of the plate and that's all she wrote.

uglyone - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 12:01 AM EDT (#313364) #
remember when Hamels refused a trade to Toronto?

F that guy.
cruzin - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 12:01 AM EDT (#313365) #
"would prefer Hague over Carrera this series."

Tempted to add Buehrle over Tepera against the Royals.

Have to agree with prior posts that you go with:
1) Estrada
2) Price
3) Stroman
4) Dickey

It just makes too much sense with the rest each pitcher has and gives Dickey a chance to take advantage of his home splits.

Four Seamer - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 12:22 AM EDT (#313366) #
If Loup doesn't return (not speculating here, but whatever he's dealing with must be serious if he wasn't back today), you might get both Hague and Carrera. I think Jeff Francis is the only other lefty on the 40 man roster.
uglyone - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 12:36 AM EDT (#313367) #
watching the full replay right now (because of course) and man did martin make a nifty play to block the first baseman's throwing lane to 2B and the double play.
JB21 - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 12:41 AM EDT (#313368) #
Watching the Pompey slide again, I thought it was a clean takeout slide.
uglyone - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 01:00 AM EDT (#313369) #
this replay is the 2nd best game i've watched this year.
JB21 - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 01:17 AM EDT (#313370) #
Osuna is an absolute joy to watch pitch. That slider... Wow.
jjdynomite - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 02:02 AM EDT (#313371) #
I love this team even more than I hate Harold Reynolds' commentating.

So the best two regular-season teams in the AL face off for the pennant. Both teams present the toughest outs in the league. Good thing since the start of August the Jays have displayed a pretty decent ability to win away games.
BlueJayWay - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 03:27 AM EDT (#313372) #
I believe this will always be known as the 'Bat Flip' game.
hypobole - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 07:54 AM EDT (#313373) #
"remember when Hamels refused a trade to Toronto?

F that guy."

Was going to mention this, and your sentiments are the same as mine.

The one Ranger I do have empathy for is Beltre. Played far better than one could expect a guy toughing out back spasms.
rpriske - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 08:35 AM EDT (#313374) #
Pompey's slide was clean.

The ump's call on Martin's throwing error was correct.

Also, it sure seems like that error sent the Jays to the ALCS. From that moment on, the Jays were fired up and the Rangers fell apart.

Mike Green - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 08:46 AM EDT (#313375) #
Monday will be the first home game for the Blue Jays of the ALCS.  It will also be Election Day and Jose Bautista's 35th birthday.  This confluence of events calls out for an informal national holiday, allowing good citizens to cast their ballot and then raise a glass to Bautista and the Jays.  Employers- let your workers off at 12 noon so that they can get home, put on their ceremonial Blue Jay wear if they wish, get out and vote and then enjoy the game and help Jose celebrate it in style.

uglyone - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 08:46 AM EDT (#313376) #
a friendly reminder....http://deadspin.com/the-royals-and-blue-jays-hate-each-other-and-were-all-w-1721715367
Mike Green - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 08:51 AM EDT (#313377) #
I'm waiting for the Statcast on the bat flip...
Cracka - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 09:03 AM EDT (#313378) #
"The Bat Flip Heard 'Round the World" is dominating social media this morning, but there are very few dissenting opinions about this issue. Tom Ley of Deadspin sums it up best: "No one in the history of mankind has ever been cooler than Bautista was when he flipped this bat."

Sam Dyson (and his 113 games of experience) doesn't agree however and thinks that Jose (and his 1400+ games of experience) "should respect the game more". Awwww, poor Sammie.
SK in NJ - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 09:10 AM EDT (#313379) #
Absolutely amazing game which could have ended horribly if that Odor/Martin/Choo run had been the difference (the umps got the call right).

Gibbons so far has managed brilliantly this post season. Not many managers would have went with Stroman instead of Price for that game 5, but Gibbons went with his gut and it worked. Price has been awful in the playoffs and against the Rangers in particular over the last few years. It was the right call and likely saved the season.

Bautista's bat flip and the game in general is getting a ton of media buzz in the States. What an exciting last few innings of a game that even the football-obsessed U.S. market can appreciate.

Dave Till - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 09:27 AM EDT (#313380) #
I think that eventually they will have to change the rule that allowed the third Texas run to score. It wasn't the batter's fault that the ball hit his bat, but somebody's going to try to pull shenanigans in there at some point - casually stretching in the batter's box, adjusting gloves, randomly waving his bat here and there. "Who, me? I was just getting ready to hit."

It was the correct interpretation of the rules as they currently stand, but runs weren't meant to score when the baseball is thrown back to the pitcher.
Mike Green - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 09:34 AM EDT (#313381) #
If Buehrle is anything close to healthy, I would prefer him to Tepera for the ALCS.  A left-handed long man makes a lot of sense with the absence of Cecil, and the rest may have helped him.
uglyone - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 09:35 AM EDT (#313382) #
I might like this pic even better than the bat flip:

Chuck - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 10:11 AM EDT (#313383) #
Sam Dyson (and his 113 games of experience) doesn't agree however and thinks that Jose (and his 1400+ games of experience) "should respect the game more". Awwww, poor Sammie.

Mr. Dyson has an eerie resemblance to the ruthless killer that was the tortured soul named Michelletto in the recent meh Borgias TV series.

Gerry - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 10:19 AM EDT (#313384) #
I was lucky enough to be at the game last night. Obviously it was the most intense professional baseball game I have ever attended.

I have a couple of comments on the fans throwing things. First it was a lot more than was shown on TV. I would guess that up to 100 items were thrown, it was nasty and many did not reach the field. I was sheltered in the 200 level but I would not have wanted to be in the 100's.

Extra police arrived for the bottom of the seventh but they just stood around the field, including the outfield. It was like target practice for the nobs in the 500's. There should have been police in the 500's, not on the field.

One funny part, regular Blue Jay attendees know that in the middle of the seventh the "J Force" come on the field and the crowd sings OK Blue Jays. Yesterday the PA announcer says OK fans get on your feet and here come J Force. Except J Force never showed and no one sang OK Blue Jays. Then the crowd booed take me out to the ballgame. That's a first.

I think there will be different security procedures in place for the next game so I don't think we will see a repeat.
Chuck - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#313385) #
I think that eventually they will have to change the rule that allowed the third Texas run to score.

I agree, but wonder if your concern for shenanigans (absent the rule change) might not now extend to the catchers (with a rule change). Base runner dancing off first base, perhaps considering a delayed steal. Whoops! Throw back to the pitcher clipped the batter. Dead ball. Sorry base runner.

Beyonder - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 10:25 AM EDT (#313386) #
A rule that has only been invoked once in the history of recorded memory is a rule that is functioning perfectly. No need to change it.
Mike Green - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 10:26 AM EDT (#313387) #
The crowd booed "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" and threw stuff down onto the lower levels?  That is embarrassing.  Intense is fine, but there are lines. 

Beyonder - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 10:30 AM EDT (#313388) #
I bet that next year we will all be drinking beer out of plastic cups -- at least those of us in the 500 level. Pretty ugly scene on TV.
hypobole - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 10:33 AM EDT (#313389) #
Almost certain Bautista gets drilled at some point when he faces the Rangers next year. Hopefully, it will only be a painful bruise and nothing more.

I understand he was caught up in the moment and he's an emotional person, but Dyson is right - Jose shouldn't have done what he did.
uglyone - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 11:02 AM EDT (#313390) #
throwing stuff is way offside (although hey, does Andrus implode without it?)....but booing Take Me Out to the Ballgame is classic, imo.
uglyone - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 11:06 AM EDT (#313391) #
hypobole - gotta disagree. Joey's reaction was not only perfect for the moment, but an outright baseball classic.

this wasn't somebody pimping himself over the team, but an utterly honest reaction for the joy of an entire country.
jjdynomite - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 11:15 AM EDT (#313392) #
Really hypobole? Okay, let's outlaw goal-scoring celebrations in the NHL and slam dunks in the NBA while we're at it. Then all major team sports can be like the [N]o [F]un [L]eague.

MLB already has an "excitement gap" to the average (read: non-contending team) sports fan due to its more methodical pace; let's not advocate for a further reduction in swagger, testosterone and in-the-moment displays of passion. "Act like you've been there" had a place in the 40s, but I'd much rather have the talent and excitement that Latinos and African Americans/Canadians have brought to the league since B&W televisions were the most common way to take in the game. Oh yeah, and the most famous (albeit apocryphal) showboating happened even earlier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babe_Ruth's_called_shot

That said, very disturbed by what Gerry wrote. It is pathetic for fans -- no matter how upset -- to toss projectiles anywhere. I don't drink beer so at the Dome I never noticed that those sorts of alcoholic beverages are served in their original aluminum cans. I believe it's soft plastic only for hockey and basketball at the ACC. There's a tradition that's ripe for modification.
Mike Green - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 11:18 AM EDT (#313393) #
For me, "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" is not a symbol of the umpires or the league administration, it's about the pure joy of the game.  One of the joys of the major league game is the slow building of tension through a game and through a long season.
Paul D - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 11:25 AM EDT (#313394) #
Except J Force never showed and no one sang OK Blue Jays. Then the crowd booed take me out to the ballgame. That's a first.

Ace tried to lead the crowd in OK Blue jays, which no one was buying, but it was played, and there were additional boos at the "... and the umpires too" section of the song.

Mike Green - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#313395) #
Time for the rematch. Payback time. It's only been thirty years.

I would expect Volquez in Game 1, Ventura in Game 3.

I am assuming that's a typo, Magpie.  Wouldn't it be Volquez in Game 1, Ventura in Game 2, Cueto in Game 3?
Cracka - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 11:32 AM EDT (#313396) #
Edinson Volquez has been announced as the Game 1 starter for the Royals. They only used 3 starters in the LDS, so it's possible he could start Games 1, 4, and 7... probably won't know until the eve of Game 4. For now, we can speculate that:

Game 1: Volquez (RH) vs. Estrada. Two starts against TOR this year (11.1 IP, 9 H, 3 ER, 6 BB, 6 K, 1 HR and 209 pitches!)

Game 2: Ventura (RH) vs. Price. One start (7 IP, 6 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 2 HR)

Game 3: Cueto (RH) vs. Storman. One start (6 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 7 K, 0 HR, 105 pitches).

All three Royals starters are Dominican, so that's kinda cool.

The Royals used the same line-up for all five LDS games, so we should get used to seeing the following:

Escobar (SS), RH
Zobrist (2B), RH
Cain (CF), RH
Hosmer (1B), LH
Morales (DH), SH
Moustakas (3B), LH
Perez (C), RH
Gordon (LF), LH
Rios (RF), RH

Hosmer & Morales have better results and more power against RHP -- but are no means "weak" vs. LHP.

Moustakas & Gordon have nearly identical splits vs. LH & RH pitchers.

It will be interesting to see if Mark Buehrle is added to the roster (especially if Loup is unavailable - thoughts & prayers to him). Buehrle started twice against KC this year with good results: 14 IP, 10 H, 5 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 1 HR.
85bluejay - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 11:32 AM EDT (#313397) #
- I think the Bautista bat flip was perfect especially given the emotion & intensity of the game - frankly, baseball needs more of these types of moment - the battle for the entertainment dollar is intense & baseball is just too staid & traditionalist.

Even though the team won, Ben Revere had looked feeble against Hamels and he's more of a ground ball hitter, I would have pinch-hit for him in the 7th with Navarro or at least tried a suicide squeeze with Pompey on 3rd. - I was praying that he wouldn't hit a double play ground ball & he almost did.

I am surprised at the lack of criticism that Martin is receiving for his careless error - I suspect his popularity
& being Canadian accounts for most of that. I agree that the
rule should be changed because it's open to abuse since it requires the subjective opinion of the umpire regarding whether the batter was intentionally interfering and there's no penalty for trying to interfere.

The crowd behaviour was completely indefensible and it's why I avoid large gatherings - the mob mentality is scary.
jerjapan - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 11:47 AM EDT (#313398) #
Throwing beer cans is idiotic.  Sure, we've had some questionable officiating and some bad luck, but really not cool - kind of like those $2 Tuesday crowds back in the day.  Plastic cups will slow things down, but it would pretty much solve the problem.   i really hate seeing a handful of  jokers ruin it for others - Jays fans are actually pretty great.  Just look at the video of Dickey celebrating with the crowd.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/blue-jays-dickey-fan-celebration-1.3271888

I was glad to see Dioner Navarro (ant others) really trying to calm things down, urging the crowd to stop throwing things and trying to get Bautista back to the dugout when the benches cleared. 

also nice to see the young guns looking so sharp - the whole pen, aside from the one bad Hawkins outing, have been pretty great. 

I'm not surprised to see Goins struggle with the bat a bit, but is anyone else worrying about Tulo? He just hasn't hit much as a Jay.

ogator - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 11:49 AM EDT (#313399) #
It was as if the baseball gods were watching and making a comment about big money acquisitions vs developing your own talent with judicious trades along the way. Dickey, Buerhle, Price, Tulo, Reyes were pretty much irrelevant in this one game--yeah, yeah, this game doesn't happen without those guys. The game was won by the pitching, as noted by Gibbons, of Stroman, Sanchez, Osuna (home grown talent) and the bats of Bautista and Encarnacion and a little help from Donaldson who were acquired but were not really excessively priced. Maybe it was just coincidence and maybe the baseball gods were trying to send a message, at least for one day and a fairly momentous day, at that.
JB21 - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 11:53 AM EDT (#313400) #
Seriously embarrassing stuff by the "fans" last night. That's the cost of success, I guess. I keep telling myself that all these "fans" are paying the bills and buying us our shiny new toys.

Congrats to all that have come on here for the last X amount of years to chat Bluejays baseball through the highs and lows. I'd say mostly lows, but it was mostly mehs. It was truly worth the wait.

I'm looking forward to a 7 game series, 5 was a little too stressful for me.
vw_fan17 - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 12:00 PM EDT (#313401) #
Dickey, Buerhle, Price, Tulo, Reyes were pretty much irrelevant in this one game

Reyes isn't on the roster anymore (he was traded to Colorado in July, FWIW), so he's irrelevant by definition - his team didn't play in this game. Buerhle's hurt and off the post-season roster, and without Dickey/Price in game 4, there is no game 5, so I don't see how you can say there were irrelevant to this game.. If the game never happens, that's pretty relevant!

Tulo was the only one from your list who PLAYED in this game - OBVIOUSLY the others were irrelevant, if you want to talk in total isolation. You and I were irrelevant in this one game also. And so was the whole roster of da Box, and the entire roster of 28 other MLB teams...

Seriously confused by this comment..
John Northey - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 12:02 PM EDT (#313402) #
Just hoping the Jays can win this series in less than 7. Those one game winner take all games are stressful.

So the top 2 AL teams move on, the NL sees the Cubs trying to keep Back To The Future sorta accurate, while the Mets & Dodgers decide tonight who continues. The Cubs are the last wild card standing, while the 90 win Mets are the weakest team still in it.

I'm cheering on the Mets as I'd love to see the Jays vs Syndergaard in the World Series. Either that or Cubs/Jays just because.
Kasi - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 12:03 PM EDT (#313403) #
I think he was just pointing out that this team had some great players who had been here for years and for me it was exciting that it was home grown talent and vets like Bautista and EE that won it for us in this game. Despite the shiny new toys with no Jose or Edwin we're not here.

On the flip I think Cameron said it well:

David Cameron ‏@DCameronFG 15h15 hours ago
Jose Bautista was an example to kids everywhere that baseball can be a passionate, emotional, exciting sporting event they should enjoy.

David Cameron ‏@DCameronFG 15h15 hours ago
You know why kids do that stuff in backyards and whiffle balls? Because kids are fun, and know how to enjoy life.
Kasi - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 12:08 PM EDT (#313404) #
This video of Dickey in the Stoeten article here is amazing.

http://andrewstoeten.com/2015/10/14/dickeythebest-r-a-celebrating-with-fans-is-pure-joy/
uglyone - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 12:19 PM EDT (#313405) #
Cameron's full write up on the bat flip is bang on imo:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/on-the-line-between-emotion-and-sportsmanship/
Beyonder - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 12:22 PM EDT (#313406) #
"I agree that the rule should be changed because it's open to abuse since it requires the subjective opinion of the umpire regarding whether the batter was intentionally interfering and there's no penalty for trying to interfere."

So I guess the question is, what rule would you put in its place that doesn't also call for the umpire's subjective opinion? The rule as presently drafted may well be open to abuse, but it has never been abused so far as anyone can recall. As a practical matter the only way to change the rule is to make it the obligation of the batter to get out of the catcher's way. That makes it open for the catcher to abuse the rule by intentionally getting behind the batter.
baagcur - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 12:32 PM EDT (#313407) #
To my mind, addressing the time-out rule is of more concern as it applies in more than this rare instance

Time was clearly called but has been put on the back burner because it did not impact the result, the decision to call time was wrong and no BJ could have prevented the run scoring.
However, it is easy to envisage a play where time was called and a fielder was in position to throw the runner out but did not bother. What would be the outcome in that instance if the runner crossed the plate?

rafael - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 12:37 PM EDT (#313408) #
Revere out on Donaldson's bloop RBI.
I found the replays and admit I'm 90% wrong.
There was less hang time on that ball than I first thought.
The ideal way to run that is to keep facing the play and be "half way" ready for whatever. Could Revere have read the play quicker and avoided getting so far away from first as the ball was coming down - and then be able to keep facing the play. I think so but maybe not - and I won't convince any of you - and given how far he actually was with a decent chance of being caught he had no choice but to turn around and run blind to first.
Two bounces on turf, the camera shows the run scoring. The fielder picks up the ball facing away and after a delay "hey throw the ball to second" finally throws to second. It seemed an eternity. It could have been significant.
Richard S.S. - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 01:40 PM EDT (#313409) #
I don't think we need to worry about Tulowitzki, his Defense is stellar and he just needs ABs. In a must-win game, Tulo turned a nail-biter into a guaranteed win with a 3-run HR. Tulo was 2 for 3 with a HR and a bases-loaded walk. So you can say he basically single-handedly won Game 3.
vw_fan17 - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 02:13 PM EDT (#313410) #
According to a piece from Shi Davidi, linked by MLTBR, Brett Cecil is doing his best Marcus Stroman impersonation, and says that he will be ready to pitch in the World Series. One more example of the intensity/emotions of the players..
ayjackson - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 02:14 PM EDT (#313411) #
Joe Po and Ken Tremendous:

http://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/blue-jays-rangers-seventh-inning-jose-bautista-bat-flip-russell-martin-throw/
uglyone - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 02:23 PM EDT (#313412) #
again, WAR for pitchers is the average of fipWAR and ra9WAR, while WAR for hitters is the average of fWAR and bWAR.


Rotation

LH D.Price (29): 32gs, 6.9ip/gs, 60era-, 68fip-, 6.8war/32gs
RH J.Cueto (29): 32gs, 6.6ip/gs, 85era-, 88fip-, 4.2war/32gs

RH M.Stroman (24): 4gs, 6.8ip/gs, 41era-, 86fip-, 7.6war/32gs
RH Y.Ventura (24): 28gs, 5.8ip/gs, 100era-, 89fip-, 3.0war/32gs

RH M.Estrada (31): 28gs, 6.1ip/gs, 80era-, 108fip-, 2.8war/32gs
RH E.Volquez (31): 33gs, 6.0ip/gs, 88era-, 96fip-, 2.9war/32gs

RH R.Dickey (40): 33gs, 6.5ip/gs, 96era-, 109fip-, 2.8war/32gs
RH C.Young (36): 18gs, 5.5ip/gs, 78era-, 113fip-, 3.0war/32gs

LH M.Buehrle (36): 32gs, 6.2ip/gs, 93era-, 104fip-, 2.2war/32gs
LH J.Vargas (32): 9gs, 4.8ip/gs, 98era-, 108fip-, 2.0war/32gs


Bullpen

RH R.Osuna (20): 69.2ip, 63era, 73fip-, 1.6war/65ip
RH W.Davis (29): 67.1ip, 23era-, 57fip-, 2.7war/65ip

RH M.Lowe (32): 55.0ip, 49era-, 64fip-, 1.6war/65ip
RH R.Madson (34): 63.1ip, 53era-, 77fip-, 1.4war/65ip

RH A.Sanchez (22): 26.1ip, 59era-, 75fip-, 1.2war/65ip
LH D.Duffy (26): 8.1ip, 0era-, 24fip-, 2.7war/65ip

RH L.Hendriks (26): 64.2ip, 72era-, 52fip-, 1.3war/65ip
RH K.Herrera (25): 69.2ip, 67era-, 86fip-, 1.0war/65ip

RH L.Hawkins (42): 38.2ip, 74era-, 78fip-, 0.7war/65ip
LH F.Morales (29): 62.1ip, 78era-, 88fip-, 0.6war/65ip

LH A.Loup (27): 42.1ip, 109era-, 91fip-, 0.1war/65ip
RH L.Hochevar (31): 50.2ip, 92era-, 100fip-, 0.3war/65ip

RH R.Tepera (27): 33.0ip, 80era-, 141fip-, -0.2war/65ip
RH K.Medlen (29): 14.1ip, 62era-, 78fip-, 1.4war/65ip





Starting Lineup

LF B.Revere (27): 634pa, 98wrc+, +2.3war/650pa
SS A.Escobar (28): 662pa, 67wrc+, +1.0war/650pa

3B J.Donaldson (29): 711pa, 154wrc+, +8.0war/650pa
2B B.Zobrist (34): 535pa, 123wrc+, +2.4war/650pa

RF J.Bautista (34): 666pa, 148wrc+, +4.7war/650pa
CF L.Cain (29): 604pa, 129wrc+, +7.4war/650pa

DH E.En'cion (32): 624pa, 150wrc+, +4.8war/650pa
1B E.Hosmer (25): 667pa, 125wrc+, +3.5war/650pa

1B C.Colabello (31): 360pa, 142wrc+, +1.4war/650pa
DH K.Morales (32): 639pa, 131wrc+, +2.3war/650pa

SS T.Tulowitzki (30): 534pa, 100wrc+, +3.2war/650pa
3B M.Moustakas (26): 614pa, 124wrc+, +4.3war/650pa

C R.Martin (32): 507pa, 114wrc+, +4.4war/650pa
C S.Perez (25): 553pa, 87wrc+, +2.2war/650pa

CF K.Pillar (26): 628pa, 93wrc+, +4.9war/650pa
LF A.Gordon (31): 422pa, 122wrc+, +4.3war/650pa

2B R.Goins (27):  428pa, 84wrc+, +3.2war/650pa
RF A.Rios (34): 411pa, 72wrc+, -0.7war/650pa

.
.

UT J.Smoak (28): 328pa, 108wrc+, +1.9war/650pa
UT P.Orlando (29): 251pa, 89wrc+, +2.6war/650pa

OF E.Carrera (28): 192pa, 90wrc+, -1.4war/650pa
OF J.Dyson (30): 225pa, 88wrc+, +5.8war/650pa

OF D.Pompey (22): 103pa, 81wrc+, +2.8war/650pa
OF T.Gore (24): 4pa, 4wrc+, -16.3war/650pa

IF C.Pennington (31): 249pa, 57wrc+, -0.5war/650pa
IF C.Colon (26): 119pa, 95wrc+, +2.2war/650pa

C D.Navarro (31): 192pa, 84wrc+, +2.0war/650pa
C D.Butera (31): 120pa, 40wrc+, -0.8war/650pa
Dave Till - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 02:24 PM EDT (#313413) #

Extra police arrived for the bottom of the seventh but they just stood around the field, including the outfield. It was like target practice for the nobs in the 500's. There should have been police in the 500's, not on the field.

I agree with you in principle, but when I thought of it, I realized that there is no place to put police in the fifth deck. The only place where an officer could stand and see what is going on in a section is in the entranceway, which would block people's view and their way in and out of the section. And there would only be room for one police officer, which would leave him or her badly outnumbered if rioting happened. (And I had the feeling, watching on TV, that rioting was close to happening.)

Almost certain Bautista gets drilled at some point when he faces the Rangers next year. Hopefully, it will only be a painful bruise and nothing more.

That will get him angry and cause him to hit another 430 foot bomb. And the Jays' pitchers can always retaliate by throwing at Prince Fielder or somebody. The Rangers have only themselves to blame - if you misplay four balls in one inning, this is the sort of thing that happens.

I'm not surprised to see Goins struggle with the bat a bit, but is anyone else worrying about Tulo? He just hasn't hit much as a Jay.

Tulo is still recovering from an injury, and he's probably still getting used to the idea that he is no longer a Colorado Rockie. But I think we might need to temper our expectations a bit: he has a career .274/.347/.462 line away from home. He's a good hitter, and a better shortstop than Reyes, but he's not a superstar.

So I guess the question is, what rule would you put in its place that doesn't also call for the umpire's subjective opinion? The rule as presently drafted may well be open to abuse, but it has never been abused so far as anyone can recall.

I guess that the rule will have to remain as it stands. People tend to think of the throw back to the pitcher as routine - almost like the throw around the infield after a strikeout when there is no one on base - and forget that the ball is live. It's not likely to ever happen again, now that catchers are aware of this possibility.

Could Revere have read the play quicker and avoided getting so far away from first as the ball was coming down

It really did look like a routine popup - Odor was quite fooled by it. Usually, the second baseman turns back to run into shallow center field on plays like that, and makes them easily. Odor thought that it was hit right to him, and barely even started to backpedal until it was too late. Revere, understandably, felt he had to stay close to first base to keep from being doubled off, and there was no way he could have made it to second, I think.

Magpie - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#313414) #
the subjective opinion of the umpire regarding whether the batter was intentionally interfering

But intent doesn't need to have anything to do with it. If the batter is in the box, and his bat is in the box - and they were, in this case - the batter is not interfering.
Dave Till - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 02:43 PM EDT (#313415) #
One more thought: for viewers unfamiliar with the Blue Jays, this game was like an executive summary of the Jays' strengths:

- Kevin Pillar made a great catch
- Ryan Goins made a great play at second
- Edwin and Jose hit long bombs
- Sanchez and Osuna did their thing
- Marcus Stroman!
Magpie - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 02:44 PM EDT (#313416) #
Joe Po and Ken Tremendous

That is one epic piece. Highly recommended.

I think I've watched the bat flip at least forty times by now....
China fan - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 03:00 PM EDT (#313417) #
"...this game was like an executive summary of the Jays' strengths...."

The game was also like an executive summary of the entire Texas series -- and the entire Jays season.  It was just one game, but it was a miniature replica of the series and the season.  In all cases, the Jays fall behind, under-perform, make silly errors, get themselves into a hole, and appear to have lost.  Then, when it is almost too late, when the Jays are behind 2-0 in a best-of-five series, or when they are trailing 3-2 in the 7th inning of the series-deciding game, or when they are trailing the Yankees by 8 games with more than half of the season done, the Jays make an improbable comeback and roar back to an impressive victory -- winning the game, winning the series, and winning the regular season, to the astonishment of their detractors.

How can we not call them a team of destiny by now?
Kasi - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#313418) #
Dave an .809 OPS on the road puts him tenth or 11th all time for SS over the history of baseball, comparing to home and road combined total of SSs who've played. Factor in that everyone hits better at home for the most part, not just people in Colorado and I think its fair to say for a SS he's a superstar. And one I really hope bounces back next year.
China fan - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#313419) #
".....he has a career .274/.347/.462 line away from home...."

I would be ecstatic if Tulo was hitting anything close to this line for the Jays.  Instead his line is .239/.317/.380 in the regular season and .095/.174/.238 in the playoffs so far.  (Notwithstanding his Game 3 heroics.)   I'm sure the injury is a factor in explaining his playoff woes, but it doesn't explain his regular-season problems.  (Nor could it be explained by his lead-off lineup position in August, as we now know.)  I prefer to think of it optimistically:  he is overdue to figure it out and return to greatness.  Whether that is this year or next year, I don't know, but it seems inevitable that he will improve significantly at some point.  His history of being a good hitter is just too lengthy to ignore.
#2JBrumfield - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#313420) #
I think there will be different security procedures in place for the next game so I don't think we will see a repeat.

I don't drink beer at the games but I didn't realize you get the can instead of a plastic cup. That's just brilliant, isn't it?

I wonder if there'll be a beer ban at the Dome just like in 2009 after an incident that happened in 2007. Going by that ruling by the Booze & Gaming Commission, maybe expect a ban in 2018. There's no way it'll happen this post-season.

In short, folks who act up like that should be tasered.
uglyone - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 03:31 PM EDT (#313421) #
the wRC+ stat really shines when dealing with extremes like Coors. he has a career 128wrc+ at home and a career 116 on the road. this year he was pretty much dead average in both - 97 at home and 103 road (though ops tells us that he was near 100pts better at home). of course this wasn't consistent - his first couple months back from surgery he was awful, then the middle 2 months he was awesome and back to being Troy. Then he was traded and was middling the rest of the way. (a more worrying split for me mighy be his poor performance vRHP).

as for right now - tulo is clearly playing injured IMO. you can see it when he ranges left on D too. But i'd rather have him in there than pennington.
Mike Green - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 03:35 PM EDT (#313422) #
I'd further point out that road games for a Colorado player means disproportionate numbers of games in Los Angeles, San Francisco and San Diego.  Tulowitzki's career road line is very impressive in that context.  Looking at his career line is a bit deceptive, incidentally.  When he has been healthy, he has been absolutely fabulous.  He has had periods throughout his career, including full seasons, when he has been injured and been average or worse at the plate. 

At this point, it is fair to assume that he is still hurting and that any offensive contribution from him is a bonus. 

Finally, I too enjoyed the Joe Po piece.  As usual, the writing is fine.

#2JBrumfield - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 03:35 PM EDT (#313423) #
maybe expect a ban in 2018

That should be 2017. Damn, math is hard.

Thankfully, one idiot was charged by the Po-Po.
China fan - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 03:43 PM EDT (#313424) #
"....Price has been awful in the playoffs...."

I don't believe that any player suddenly becomes a worse player in the playoffs, so I'm discounting his career playoff stats as random variation, but I'm more concerned about his recent trend in the past three weeks:  he has had 3 bad outings in his last 3 games, dating back to Sept. 26 against Tampa.  Is it possible that he is flagging from the combined effects of throwing 230 innings this year?  From a Jeff Blair column earlier this week:  "....Price did not get a single swing and miss on his fastball in a Game 1 loss to the Rangers – an alarming occurrence that led one Blue Jays executive to suggest off-the-record that Price looked 'gassed'...."

There's also a theory that Gibbons gave Price the low-leverage work in Game 4 (with a six-run lead) because he wanted Price to be able to work out his problems in a low-pressure situation. That's pure speculation, of course, with no basis in anything that Gibbons or Price have said on the record, but perhaps worth considering.

In any event, I think it's understandable if the Jays don't want Price to throw Game 1 of the ALCS on three days rest.  And could they even be thinking of having a tandem starter, like Dickey, lined up as a potential long-reliever in Game 2 if Price starts and has problems?  Let's hope that isn't necessary.
Kasi - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 04:01 PM EDT (#313425) #
I don't think he looks gassed. There was a lot of 97 mph fastballs coming in from him. If anything its that he's lacking command. He's not a guy with a great strike out pitch. He's a guy who lives and dies by fastball command. And right now he doesn't have it. Doesn't mean he won't get it back next start.
China fan - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 04:05 PM EDT (#313426) #
Ben Nicholson-Smith, of Sportsnet, suggests in a column today that Price might indeed be battling fatigue, but that he could still return to his ace-calibre performances:

Even if he’s battling some fatigue (a reasonable guess considering the Blue Jays skipped his final start of the regular season and seem intent on using him carefully) the bigger picture suggests he has ace‐level ability.  Don’t count Price out, even if the results haven’t been there in October. As Johnny Cueto’s return to form shows, we write off struggling aces at our own risk.

uglyone - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 04:05 PM EDT (#313427) #
agreee his command is nowhere close. though i'll say he was more unlucky than bad in his 2nd outing.
James W - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 04:14 PM EDT (#313428) #
But intent doesn't need to have anything to do with it.

But it does. If the batter turns toward the catcher and tries to catch the throw back, even if he's still in his box, it would be interference. Because of his intent.

#2JBrumfield - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 04:16 PM EDT (#313429) #
Rick Sutcliffe is railing against the bat flip.
#2JBrumfield - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#313430) #
Another good article about bat flips involving three former Blue Jays, before they became Blue Jays from back in the day.
uglyone - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#313431) #
Series Recap

1. LF B.Revere: 24pa, 2/2sb, 3r, 0rbi, .638ops, 76wrc+
2. 3B J.Donaldson: 21pa, 0/0sb, 5r, 4rbi, .944ops, 153wrc+
3. RF J.Bautista: 23pa, 0/0sb, 3r, 5rbi, .941ops, 152wrc+
4. DH E.En'cion: 23pa, 0/0sb, 3r, 3rbi, 1.034ops, 163wrc+
5. 1B C.Colabello: 17pa, 0/0sb, 3r, 2rbi, 1.099ops, 200wrc+
6. SS T.Tulowitzki: 23pa, 0/0sb, 2r, 4rbi, .412ops, 9wrc+
7. C R.Martin: 18pa, 0/0sb, 2r, 1rbi, .667ops, 91wrc+
8. CF K.Pillar: 26pa, 0/1sb, 3r, 4rbi, .905ops, 146wrc+
9. 2B R.Goins: 20pa, 0/0sb, 1r, 0rbi, .056ops, -94wrc+

B. UT J.Smoak: 6pa, 0/0sb, 0r, 0rbi, .000ops, -100wrc+
B. OF D.Pompey: 0pa, 2/2sb, 0r, 0rbi, .000ops, -100wrc+
B. OF E.Carrera: 1pa, 0/0sb, 0r, 0rbi, .000ops, -100wrc+
B. IF C.Pennington: 1pa, 0/0sb, 0r, 0rbi, .000ops, -100wrc+
B. C D.Navarro: 5pa, 0/0sb, 1r, 0rbi, .600ops, 53wrc+


SP M.Stroman: 2gs, 6.5ip/gs, 3.46era, 3.44fip, 3.35xfip
SP M.Estrada: 1gs, 6.1ip/gs, 1.42era, 1.87fip, 4.43xfip
SP R.Dickey: 1gs, 4.2ip/gs, 1.93era, 1.85fip, 4.38xfip
SP D.Price: 1gs, 7.0ip/gs, 6.43era, 7.13fip, 5.53xfip

RP R.Osuna: 4gms, 5.2ip, 0.00era, 1.02fip, 2.32xfip
RP A.Sanchez: 5gms, 5.1ip, 0.00era, 1.45fip, 1.72xfip
RP B.Cecil: 2gms, 2.0ip, 0.00era, 2.63fip, 2.63xfip
RP A.Loup: 2gms, 1.0ip, 0.00era, 3.13fip, 6.09xfip
RP M.Lowe: 2gms, 1.0ip, 0.00era, 5.13fip, 5.13xfip
RP D.Price: 1gms, 3.0ip, 9.00era, 1.80fip, 3.28xfip
RP L.Hendriks: 1gms, 0.1ip, 0.00era, 3.13fip, 3.13xfip
RP L.Hawkins: 1gms, 0.2ip, 27.00era, 3.13fip, 5.35xfip


So who was our series MVP?
Dewey - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#313432) #
Fantastic game; and so many good articles about it (and I’m nowhere near finished reading).  I want to see that inning again.  Does anyone know if it’s possible to download it somewhere?  I do have an MLB-TV account, if that matters.

Baseball seems to attract good writing.  I’d love to read Roger Angell’s take on that game, if he saw it.
Magpie - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 05:01 PM EDT (#313433) #
Rick Sutcliffe is railing against the bat flip.

An old pitcher. Quelle surprise! (It was the late great Yogi Berra who observed that "All pitchers are liars or crybabies.")

On the other hand, they asked Volquez today if anybody had ever "pimped" a homer like that against him. He laughed and said "Too many." He went on to say, more or less, "he's an emotional guy, we got some emotional guys."
scottt - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 05:11 PM EDT (#313435) #
I wouldn't bring a baby to a playoff game even if I had free tickets, but that's just me.

Back when my son was in Little Leagues, we once played in a South Ottawa Park that was open on all side and we had to stop the game because a woman was crossing the outfield with a baby in a stroller.

China fan - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 05:14 PM EDT (#313436) #
"....So who was our series MVP?...."

Has to be Bautista.  But a surprising runner-up might be Pillar, for his defensive and offensive contributions.   And the other close runners-up would be Stroman and Osuna.  I wouldn't protest too much if either of those guys was chosen as MVP.
Magpie - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#313437) #
"....So who was our series MVP?...."

Not Andrus?
scottt - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#313438) #
It looks like:

1. Estrada vs Volquez
2. Price vs Ventura
3. Stroman vs Cueto
4, Dickey vs Volquez or a 4th starter.

China fan - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 05:25 PM EDT (#313439) #
"....they asked Volquez today if anybody had ever "pimped" a homer like that against him. He laughed and said "Too many."....."

There's got to be a cultural factor here too.  For the Dominicans or Cubans, a bat flip or a flamboyant celebration is not a breach of etiquette.   For the buttoned-down Sam Dysons of the world, apparently a bat-flip is a grievous violation of ancient traditions.

Peter Gammons has an interesting column today on the culture clashes that often erupt in the increasingly diverse and globalized MLB: 

http://www.gammonsdaily.com/peter-gammons-baseballs-cultural-clash-carries-on-through-october/
Kasi - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 06:23 PM EDT (#313442) #
Interesting take by Halladay on the game and series. Not surprised that he's a bit old school.

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/halladay-jays-offence-geared-for-september-success-1.377313
Kasi - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 06:28 PM EDT (#313443) #
Especially interesting was his response to if he had been used in game 4.
China fan - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 06:37 PM EDT (#313444) #
"....would prefer Hague over Carrera this series..."

The Jays are also considering adding Thole to the roster (replacing Carrera).  That would allow Gibbons to use Navarro more often as a pinch-hitter (and to use Russell Martin as a pinch-hitter when Estrada is the starter).  

I like Matt Hague, and I'm sure he has major-league potential, but I can understand Gibbons favoring a pinch-hitter such as Navarro who has a huge amount of MLB experience and high-pressure experience.

The way that the playoff games have been going, there are only one or two PH opportunities per game.  If Colabello is in the starting lineup, Navarro becomes the best pinch-hitter on the bench. 

The real dilemma is whether to pinch-hit for Ryan Goins in the late innings.  So far Gibbons prefers to keep his glove in the game in the late innings, which has a definite advantage.  But if Goins continues to slump with the bat, and if the Jays are trailing late in the game, they could consider using Navarro or Smoak to pinch-hit for him.  Pennington is adequate defensively for an inning or two.

Magpie - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 06:38 PM EDT (#313445) #
There's got to be a cultural factor here too.

But only in baseball, you'll notice. American basketball players, American football players - gosh, even American tennis players - are all capable of a great deal of exuberance.
Paul D - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 08:10 PM EDT (#313447) #
Dewey, if you have an mlb.tv account, the entire game is available for re-watch.
electric carrot - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 08:23 PM EDT (#313448) #
So far Gibbons prefers to keep his glove in the game in the late innings, which has a definite advantage.

I'm wondering also if Tulo is hurt more than we know and that if he takes Goins out and Tulo needs to come out too then he's in a real bind.
Kasi - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#313449) #
Sure athletes in those other sports are capable of a lot of exuberance. Then again athletes in those sports are predominantly black. Funny enough most baseball guys who clamor on and on about respecting the game look pretty similar. (Kind of like the difference between the players in the NFL who are almost all the good players and the owners/management who keep trying to turn it into a no fun league) Also the same guys who seem to think players like Utley play the game right.
jerjapan - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 08:56 PM EDT (#313450) #
Spot on Kasi.
vw_fan17 - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 09:56 PM EDT (#313452) #
But they don't let you "keep" games anymore. I grabbed a copy off b*ttorr*nt, for posterity, even though I've had an mlb.tv account for almost 10 years..
Magpie - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#313453) #
Then again athletes in those sports are predominantly black.

You have to watch Novak Djokovic and Rafa Nadal mix it up some time. Actually, just about anyone except Roger Federer.

Magpie - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#313454) #
Still, I do take your point, which certainly applies to football and basketball, although the European NBA stars can be pretty demonstrative as well.
Kasi - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 10:29 PM EDT (#313456) #
Well it's certainly not a product of race, it's a product of culture (which just has high correlations with race in the USA) It's no surprise that there are a few stoic German players in the NBA. That has a lot to do with how the Germans are, not that they're white or black. Players from Italy, Spain and Eastern Europe however are a lot more demonstrative. Federer for example much more reserved than his tennis compatriots. Than again he's Swiss.

But when talking about baseball which has a huge Latin American population with a shared background, or the NFL/NBA which is predominantly players from cities or black communities in the states you've got huge chunks of those sports with similar backgrounds. They have different values and priorities. And it's no surprise that the two sports with the most "respect the game" and "unwritten rules" are also the two predominantly played by white people from North America. (Hockey and baseball)

I think an interesting case study is Michael Jordan. He's a guy who Nike brilliantly marketed to be fed to white America. But after he retired and stuff came out about him (and his HoF speech put the cherry on the cake) it became very clear that he was much more street and "scary black" than anyone ever suspected during his playing days. It's sad how much players images are controlled to help leagues market their product towards the majority audience.
uglyone - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#313460) #
china i wouldn't mind thole instead of carrera at all. (can't believe i just typed that btw).

carrera is just wasting space there. a 2nd legit pinch hitter (like navarro) is a better idea imo. especially since he's a switch.
uglyone - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 10:35 PM EDT (#313463) #
even though i picked them to win, i'd love to see the stupid-payroll dodgers get bounced here.

go Noah go.
scottt - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 10:48 PM EDT (#313467) #
No doubt Gibby prefers Navarro's bat to Hague's. Either is better than Goins.

Game 2, 12th inning. Groins made the last out with Pompey on 3rd.
That was a good spot for a pinch hitter. A single and the game is over.

Magpie - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 10:52 PM EDT (#313468) #
it became very clear that [Jordan] was much more street and "scary black" than anyone ever suspected during his playing days.

But certainly not the way Iverson was. Or even guys like Jalen Rose (from Detroit) and Isiah Thomas (from Chicago.) Jordan's a Southern boy from a large small town (Wilmington, South Carolina.) He's wasn't particularly "urban." He was just competitive. Really, really competitive. Driven-by-furies competitive. Beat-the-crap-out-of-his-own-teammates competitive.
Cracka - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 11:29 PM EDT (#313470) #
Congrats to the Mets for rounding out the "Final Four". The Dodgers looked disinterested in the last few innings, though Jeurys Familia played a role in that - he retired all 16 batters he faced in the series.

Among the final four, the Jays are the most recent world series winners: Mets 86, Royals 85, Cubs 08 (that's 107 years ago, not 7 years ago).

Kasi - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 11:31 PM EDT (#313471) #
I'll have to find the article from Bill Simmons on it. Was a really interesting read but harder to find his stuff since he left ESPN. Basically Jordan out of the public light had handlers who kept the public away from him and acted much differently in private. He had his posse, was heavily involved in gambling and was a lot harder edged. Yeah he was competitive but it goes well beyond that. He was hateful and bitter. His HoF speech is a litany of everyone who's wronged him. Just 20 minutes of vitriol. It's really the greatest sports marketing job of all time.
JB21 - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 11:41 PM EDT (#313472) #
MJ is a bitter old man.
Magpie - Thursday, October 15 2015 @ 11:45 PM EDT (#313473) #
Agreed - I think what I'm suggesting is that Jordan's more like a psychotic Larry Bird than someone like Iverson or Thomas.
92-93 - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 12:22 AM EDT (#313474) #
I was at the game, and just finished watching it on my DVR. The broadcast did a good job of filling in the viewer with as much info as possible, but what it could never capture was the level of mayhem going on inside the Dome. Games 1 & 2 were nice crowds, but Game 5 was an atmosphere that I can't imagine ever being surpassed in any type of sporting event.

My seasons are in the 2nd row of 500 behind home, so I have a fairly good view of the entire place. I saw a beer can whipped from 100 directly at the feet of a female police officer standing guard by 1B. When play was finally ready to resume after the rule-check review, Dale Scott went back to his position behind home and a beer from 500 landed within 5 feet of him. Warning drunk idiots on the Jumbotron that they'll be tossed from the game only entices them to get stupider. I would've liked to see a message letting the fans know that there's MLB precedent for pulling the players off the field and forcing the home team to forfeit.

The first 2 home games had a skeleton JForce crew in the 7th inning stretch as well, so I don't think it necessarily was a result of the Game 5 commotion. One thing that is nice about the playoff games is the lack of the annoying, loud "in-game experience" you're subjected to in between innings on the big screen during the regular season.

I too have noticed Tulo's range seems to be a bit down since his return from injury compared to what we were seeing when he first came over.

I thought Price's stuff looked fantastic when he first came out of the bullpen in G4, but that the deeper he got into the appearance, the more fatigued he appeared to be. Gibby's decision to keep all the starters on their regular rest, setting up Price/Stroman for 6/7 or the start of the WS, is a smart one.

Is there really a need for a 7 man bullpen for a 7 game series played over 9 days? Tepera didn't come into any of his 3 games. Hawkins & Hendriks could only make it into a 5 game series once in the 14th inning. Lowe & Loup pitched in the 11th and 12th inning and each got one batter in Game 3. The team should comfortably be able to carry Carrera AND Thole or Hague, and should.

Am I the only one who would've considered pinch-hitting for Revere with bases-loaded 0 outs in the bottom of the 7th? Pompey was in the game for Martin which meant Navarro was coming in, so Dioner could've hit for Revere and Pompey goes out to LF. Revere is a great contact hitter but so is Navarro. I know you're scared of the double play with Navarro, but I guess I just feel with Revere that he doesn't have much room to work with when the bases are loaded. He tends not to hit the ball very deep, so you're essentially hoping for a groundball that finds a hole or a well struck line drive. I was incredibly nervous he'd roll over one, and that Donaldson would then smoke one right at Beltre for the inning ender, letting out all the air in the Dome.

What a freaking game.
Four Seamer - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 01:09 AM EDT (#313476) #
Thanks for that report, 92-93. I was also hoping we'd see Navarro for Revere in the 7th, for the reasons you noted (although particularly before the Goins at-bat, when I was expecting Revere's turn to come up with runners on second and third and one out - rightly or wrongly, I felt Navarro was the better bet to at least get the ball to the outfield and cash the tying run on a sac fly).
JohnL - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 08:33 AM EDT (#313477) #
Dewey: a short article by Roger Angell: http://www.newyorker.com/news/sporting-scene/wild-north

Last night I also came across video of the bottom of the 7th ( a bit compressed). Found the link on Twitter, but can't find it now. You may have heard Fox Sports is doing a 1 hour special tonight on the 7th.
SK in NJ - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 08:39 AM EDT (#313478) #
Kasi: "Funny enough most baseball guys who clamor on and on about respecting the game look pretty similar. (Kind of like the difference between the players in the NFL who are almost all the good players and the owners/management who keep trying to turn it into a no fun league) Also the same guys who seem to think players like Utley play the game right."

Spot on. There is a reason why guys like Volquez have no issues with hitters 'pimping' home runs while Roy Halladay calls it 'over the top' a week after defending Chase Utley's slide. It is a huge cultural gap. It's also very interesting that when Brett Lawrie slid into 2B and hurt Alcides Escobar earlier in the year, it was the Latin players who showed the most anger towards Lawrie. While the people defending Chase Utley's hard slide, as Kasi mentioned, all look the same. It's just a weird dynamic baseball has.

IMO, adding a bit of theatrics is never a bad thing if it increases baseball's "cool" factor. At the end of the day, the old school view has to be pushed aside for the good of the game, especially as more premier athletes in high school and colleges choose football/basketball over baseball.

Diversity in the game is a good thing. White, black, Latin, Asian, etc. They were not all brought up the same way. Let's embrace the differences rather than try to criticize those who don't follow the unwritten baseball rules of yesteryear.
Mike Green - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 08:49 AM EDT (#313479) #
Is there really a need for a 7 man bullpen for a 7 game series played over 9 days? Tepera didn't come into any of his 3 games. Hawkins & Hendriks could only make it into a 5 game series once in the 14th inning. Lowe & Loup pitched in the 11th and 12th inning and each got one batter in Game 3. The team should comfortably be able to carry Carrera AND Thole or Hague, and should.

Good point about the length of the bullpen.  Another possibility for an additional bench player is Kawasaki.  It does seem that Gibbons may be reluctant to pinch-hit for Goinsin part  because of Tulowitzki's health.  Incidentally, Goins has not looked as bad at the plate to me as he has to others here.  I think that facing all the right-handers in Kansas City might be just the tonic for him, but it would be nice if there was a comfort level pinch-hitting for him when a LOOGY comes on in a key situation to face him.

Am I the only one who would've considered pinch-hitting for Revere with bases-loaded 0 outs in the bottom of the 7th? Pompey was in the game for Martin which meant Navarro was coming in, so Dioner could've hit for Revere and Pompey goes out to LF. Revere is a great contact hitter but so is Navarro. I know you're scared of the double play with Navarro, but I guess I just feel with Revere that he doesn't have much room to work with when the bases are loaded. He tends not to hit the ball very deep, so you're essentially hoping for a groundball that finds a hole or a well struck line drive. I was incredibly nervous he'd roll over one, and that Donaldson would then smoke one right at Beltre for the inning ender, letting out all the air in the Dome.

I preferred the Hamels/Revere matchup to the inevitable Dyson/Navarro matchup in that situation.  In fact, in the entire series, there was only one move of Gibbons that I disagreed with- the one to have Price warming hard in the 3rd game and not bringing him on.  Youneverknow.
Jevant - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 10:19 AM EDT (#313485) #
I actually LOL'd here. :)
92-93 - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 10:56 AM EDT (#313487) #
How about Hawkins in front of Hendriks in Game 2, Mike?

I've been extremely pleased with Gibbons' work this series (as I have been all year).
uglyone - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#313488) #
yeah the Hawkins move is the one that sticks in my craw. might have cost us the game.

and hague instead of carrera may have made a difference in game 1.
Mike Green - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 11:11 AM EDT (#313489) #
I guess I've been in a pretty generous mood. I think that Hendriks is a better pitcher right now than Hawkins, but I don't think that the difference is huge and Gibbons has set the roles the way he has and I understand the value of that.  If I was in a nit-picking mood, I would also probably have not played the relief in the 8th inning of Game 2 the way Gibbons did.  I'd have either let Cecil come on to start the eighth to face DeShields (the fresh pitcher to start an inning theory) or brought on Lowe to face Napoli (working the platoons) or maybe both, but not exactly the way Gibbons did it.  I wouldn't call it much of a disagreement though, but perfectly reasonable different answers to a couple of questions.
Dewey - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#313490) #
Paul M, John L, vw_fan17 -- thanks for the responses to my query re video of the 7th inning. I should have known about the MLB-TV copy, I suppose; but I don’t use it for anything except to watch live games.  Probably much else there to be used. 

And thanks, John L, for the Angell info.  It’s delightful, as always.

Liked your report 92-93.

Good ol’ Box.
Dewey - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 11:15 AM EDT (#313491) #
Oops, sorry Paul.  Wrong initial.  D.
Forkball - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 12:35 PM EDT (#313494) #
"Is there really a need for a 7 man bullpen for a 7 game series played over 9 days?"

Given the setup, and urgency, in a 5 game series (with 2 off days), I think it lent itself to fewer pitchers than you will need over 7 games. You're not going to use any of the starting pitchers in relief prior to game 7. If a game goes long, or a starter goes short you're going to need some arms; there aren't many relievers going more than 1 inning consistently.

The other part is that the Jays don't have many players that they would sub for; there will be times to possibly pinch hit for Goins, and use Pompey to pinch run for Martin or whoever plays 1B, but that's really it. Pillar and Revere aren't coming out of the game.

Pennington and Carrera didn't get into the series against Texas. The only thing would be Tulo insurance, but he's played with it for two weeks now.
Forkball - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 12:39 PM EDT (#313495) #
I'm interested in seeing how Gibbons uses Smoak and Colabello this series. Smoak seemed to play against most RHP and Colabello against LHP down the stretch, but now it seems like it's an offense / defense platoon. That also could be because of the number of LH starters the Rangers started, but it feels like Gibbons wants Colabello in the lineup; he could have pinch hit a few times in the Rangers series but chose not to.
vw_fan17 - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 12:40 PM EDT (#313496) #
If anyone wants info on how to obtain a full .mkv file of the game, send an email to my yahoo account - same userid.
JB21 - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 01:37 PM EDT (#313497) #
Pennington and Carrera didn't get into the series against Texas.

Yes they did, both of them got an AB in G1.

JB21 - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 01:39 PM EDT (#313498) #
I hope Gibby goes with Cola vs RHP & LHP.

Nice to see the best two teams in the AL make the ALCS, doesn't always happen in baseball.
JB21 - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 01:47 PM EDT (#313499) #

I'm just reading Grantland's series preview and read this tidbit, which shocked me a little. Obviously we crush LHP, but didn't realize we were THIS good against RHP.

The Royals rotation is 100 percent right-handed, which helps counteract Toronto’s firepower to a slight extent, but despite the light left-handed presence in their lineup, the Blue Jays are baseball’s best-hitting team against righties, too.

ALCS Preview Here.

electric carrot - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#313500) #
Thanks JB21 good read.  Except at one point it says Martin has nabbed 40 of 72 runners for a 44% rate.  40 of 72?  Isn't that 55%. Must have the numbers wrong. Maybe 40 of 92.


Mike Green - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#313502) #
Martin has nabbed 32 of 72.  They reversed the SB and CS.
Cracka - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#313503) #
The Jays have officially announced that they are going with the same roster in the ALCS as they did post-Cecil in the ALDS. The Royals are also using the same roster.

If it ain't broke...
SK in NJ - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#313504) #
Poor Buehrle. He'd surely be more valuable to have in the pen than Tepera.
uglyone - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#313505) #
I wouldn't risk less than 7 relievers. Doubt a starter like price takes on a relief role in a longer series, and we were probably a bit fortunate that relievers were never needed before the 7th inning last series.
Jevant - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#313506) #
Lineup is out - same as the last couple games, with Navarro in for Martin. Colabello starting. Have to think Colabello will start every game the rest of the way at this point.
Mike Green - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#313507) #
Lineups posted.  Colabello is at first base batting 5th.  Navarro catches Estrada, as is the custom. 
Mike Green - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 04:08 PM EDT (#313508) #
Laz Diaz made the umpiring crew.  I wonder how the evaluations work.
Four Seamer - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 04:21 PM EDT (#313510) #
Laz Diaz made the umpiring crew. I wonder how the evaluations work.   It could be worse, I suppose.  I had a dream last night that the crew chief was Don Denkinger, the finest umpire in KC Royals history.
Chuck - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 04:57 PM EDT (#313514) #
Laz Diaz made the umpiring crew. I wonder how the evaluations work.

A blindfold and a dartboard?

Mike Green - Friday, October 16 2015 @ 04:59 PM EDT (#313515) #
A blindfold and a dartboard?

Perhaps, but I wouldn't want to give the nobs at the RC any ideas...
Gerry - Friday, April 17 2020 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#387013) #
Just watching the rewind on Sportsnet tonight. Its fun to go back through the comments here both during the game and the post-mortems.

These memories are all we have right now.
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