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There were plenty of home runs for the affiliates on Sunday. How is this for a list of those who homered. Kevin Smith, Gabriel Moreno, Jordan Groshans, Orelvis Martinez, Otto Lopez, Vinny Capra, Addison Barger and Rafael Lantigua. You get a home run, you get a home, everyone gets a home run.

Buffalo, New Hampshire and Vancouver all won, Dunedin lost. On the pitching side Jacob Waguespack and Simeon Woods Richardson stood out.

Buffalo 7 Rochester 1

Hartford 5 New Hampshire 8

Everett 1 Vancouver 7

Clearwater 9 Dunedin 3

This is what I noted from yesterday's games.

With the new six game series format, the starter on Tuesday usually faces the same team on Sunday. Jacob Waguespack had to do that and after pitching well on Tuesday he pitched well again today, five shutout innings. After a tricky start to the season Waguespack has a 2.75 ERA in June. He is not on the 40 man but like many pitchers in Buffalo is another option for the Jays.

Kevin Smith hit his tenth home run, his only hit on the day. It was a three run shot. Christian Colon was 3-5, Richard Urena kept up his hot streak with two more hits. And Logan Warmoth also had two hits.

Simeon Woods Richardson had one bad inning, two infield hits, a walk, followed by a bases clearing double accounted for all three runs allowed. He went five innings and had nine K's. Kyle Johnston, who now seems to be coming out of the bullpen, went three innings.

Gabriel Moreno and Jordan Groshans got the scoring started in the second with a double and a single. Both scored. Then it was home run time. Moreno hit a two run shot in the third. Otto Lopez added a solo shot in the fifth. Groshans and Vinny Capra hit solo shots in the seventh. Moreno and Groshans had three hits each. Capra went 2-3 to boost his average above .400. New Hampshire have enjoyed playing Hartford this week.

The C's scored five in the fifth to break the tie. But the hitter who made the last out in that inning had a big game. Rafael Lantigua hit a triple and a home run and drove in two runs. Sebastian Espino also had two hits and two RBI.

Paxton Schultz needed 82 pitches to get through 3.1 innings. Brandon Eisert pitched the next 3.2 innings in shutout style for the win.

Trent Palmer pitched the first two shutout innings with five K's. Julian Valdez relieved him and was hit around for six runs. That was too much for the bats to recover from.

The Jays had only five hits. Orelvis Martinez and Addison Barger each went deep, both solo shots.

Three Stars

Third Star - Jacob Waguespack

Second Star - Jordan Groshans

First Star - Rafael Lantigua


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Shoeless Joe - Sunday, June 20 2021 @ 09:43 PM EDT (#400592) #
I still have major concerns over the control issues Trent Palmer and CJ Van Eyk have displayed. I did not like these two picks in rounds 2-3 and remain committed to the fact last year draft is tied exclusively to Austin Martin. I still like Nick Frasso as a prospect but heís a long shot.
John Northey - Sunday, June 20 2021 @ 11:11 PM EDT (#400595) #
It is tough when a draft counts on just one guy. With just 5 picks last year the pressure on having at least one perform is sky high. Frasso is staring well in low A (old for that league at 22) but just 5 IP 3 H 1 R 2 BB 8 SO. Britton is walking up a storm but it takes more than a good eye to get to the majors (30 BB in 27 G).

2019 has Alek Manoah in the majors, Kendall Williams with the Dodgers (Ross Stripling trade), Dasan Brown hasn't played this year (any idea what happened to him?), Will Robertson technically has played (130/200/217 in A+ over 25 PA), and #5 Tanner Morris isn't impressive either 258/400/323 in A+.

2018 hasn't seen anyone reach. #1 Jordan Groshans 255/339/373 - such high hopes coming into 2021...sigh; Griffin Conine now in Miami; Adam Kloffenstein has a 6.39 ERA in A+ (ugh); Sean Wymer worse at 10.17 in A+; and #5 Chris Bec (signed for $5k) 'hitting' 154/267/154 in AA.

2017: 6 picks in the first 5 rounds, with 2 reaching the majors in Nate Pearson & Riley Adams so far. Top pick Logan Warmoth not impressing with his 217/326/365 line in AAA; Hagen Danner not playing yet in 2021 (IL all year); Kevin Smith doing well in AAA 287/396/589 and might have been up if not for all the depth in the infield; Cullen Large is the 5th round pick not doing well in AAA 221/307/321.

2016: a big success already with T.J. Zeuch, Bo Bichette, Josh Palacios, and Cavan Biggio all in the majors from the first 5 rounds. Other top 5 round picks were Zach Jackson now with Oakland (lost on waivers), and J.B. Woodman who went to St Louis (for Aledmys Diaz) and retired.

That covers the current GM's tenure.

1st round: For all-time pre-current GM we have 67 first rounders of which 46 reached (69%), 50% of our current GM's 1st rounders have reached - pretty good given how young they are.

Round 2: 44 picks for other GMs, 6 for current (2 in 2016) 21 made the majors (48%) just 1 of 6 have for current GM but he is a great one (Bo). Bo is the 3rd best 2nd rounder in Jays history with his 5.9 WAR already, and #2 Derek Bell is in eyeshot (13.1) but he'll need a near HOF career to reach #1 (David Wells) 53.4 WAR.

3rd round: 42 old picks, 5 current GM, 18 old GM's reached (43%), 1 current (Riley Adams). 2 greats (Olerud & Key) with 4 others in the 10's for WAR.

4th round: 39 old picks, 5 current, 10 old reached, 1 current. This is the weakest early round with the best WAR from Casey Janssen at 7.4. Ugh. Josh Palacios at 0.1 is 6th best right now.

5th round: 39 old picks, 5 current, 14 old reached, 1 current (Biggio). This is the toughest round outside of #1 - Dave Stieb is #1 with 56.4; 2nd is Pat Hentgen at 32.6; Michael Young at 24.7 (all elsewhere - thanks Gord Ash); Mike Timlin at 19.0 is next on the list for Biggio to reach (he is at 5.5)

So our current GM has done OK I'd say - top 10 all-time picks for rounds 5, 4 (OK, that is a gimmie), 2. 1st round is hard as there are 8 guys with 20+ WAR, and 4 more over 10. Marcus Stroman the most recent to reach the top 10 (#9 all time) was drafted in 2012 - if he doubles his current WAR he'd still not reach the top 3. Alek Manoah has a long, long climb to reach the top 10 here (16 WAR and climbing to get there - Noah Syndergaard is #10, James Paxton #11).
hypobole - Monday, June 21 2021 @ 12:05 AM EDT (#400599) #
Here's a draft question.

2nd round pick Bo has 5.9 career bWAR

How many 2nd round picks have the Jays ever made that are ahead of Bo for their careers and what year was the last of those guys chosen?
Spifficus - Monday, June 21 2021 @ 12:53 AM EDT (#400600) #
If I understand the question right, hypobole, I'm going to say 2, and the latest was Derek Bell. And I would have said the same even if John hadn't put it in the second half of his post. Honest! Ok, probably not. :-)
hypobole - Monday, June 21 2021 @ 01:13 AM EDT (#400601) #
Dang it! Had that question in my back pocket ever since i checked after we gave up our 2nd rounder to sign Springer. I was just waiting for Bo to pass Norris. Got halfway through John's post when I remembered I hadn't checked in a while.
Spifficus - Monday, June 21 2021 @ 01:21 AM EDT (#400602) #
It was a good question, and you get bonus points for putting a confused look on my minutes muttering under my breath wondering what I was missing.
hypobole - Monday, June 21 2021 @ 01:22 AM EDT (#400603) #
John, Hagen Danner did play this year, just not as a catcher anymore. He pitched in relief for the C's prior to his IL stint.
Spifficus - Monday, June 21 2021 @ 01:25 AM EDT (#400604) #
Speaking of wondering what I was missing, it seems to be words: the ones about the 'confused look on my face for 5 minutes'
bpoz - Monday, June 21 2021 @ 11:47 AM EDT (#400612) #
How was Moreno's defense at 3B?
85bluejay - Monday, June 21 2021 @ 12:00 PM EDT (#400613) #
Is Chavez Young injured again? I see that he was lifted in the game on Sunday.
hypobole - Monday, June 21 2021 @ 01:07 PM EDT (#400617) #
Gotta this from the KG chat today:

Agree or disagree, we are all aware of TINSTAAPP. Some have tried to say their is No Such Thing As A Catching Prospect. These are defeatist mentalities, right?
Kevin Goldstein
12:27 Right. 100% right.
12:28 Here's the thing about this kind of thinking. You could have a scout, and he could go to minor league games and tell you everyone stinks and he would be right more often than any scout in your organization while also providing the least amount of value.
John Northey - Monday, June 21 2021 @ 01:15 PM EDT (#400618) #
Thanks hypobole - I missed that somehow. Guess I forgot he covereted to pitching. 8 games, 14 IP 8 H 7 R 4 ER 6 BB 17 SO in A+, last on June 3rd. A good start for a 22 year old converting over from hitting. With a 633 OPS after 580 PA in the low minors it was probably a smart move. Lets hope, the Jays can always use more pitchers.
bpoz - Monday, June 21 2021 @ 04:55 PM EDT (#400624) #
On Jun 3 Danner pitched 0 innings and gave up 1 run that is when he got hurt. The game before that was on May 30 3IP 1 ER he threw 37 pitches, 26 Ks and his ERA was 1.93. So reasonable success as he built up his arm to pitching again.
Gerry - Monday, June 21 2021 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#400632) #
Tanner Kirwer and Marcus Reyes have been promoted from Vancouver to New Hampshire.
John Northey - Monday, June 21 2021 @ 11:28 PM EDT (#400634) #
Marcus Reyes: age 27, 3.68 ERA in 29 1/3 IP in A+ so not a prospect, but nice he is moving to a more appropriate level for his age. I'd be surprised if he ever gets ML time.

Tanner Kirwer: age 25, 285/420/474 in A+, Rookie and A/Low A before, RF/CF/LF in that order this year. 25/2 SB/CS this year so a very good baserunner. Might be a prospect if that OBP is for real. At 25 he really needs to be in AA at least to have a shot, so good for him. Could become a 4th/5th OF ala Davis if his defense is good enough.
hypobole - Monday, June 21 2021 @ 11:57 PM EDT (#400635) #
Good news about Kirwer. His original placement at 25 suggests he wasn't thought of as a prospect. In fact, if he was 3 months older he'd be the oldest Fisher Cat.

On the other hand, cold weather kids usually take longer to develop and just outside Edmonton is about as cold weather as you get for baseball. One concern I have about his defence is the Derek Fisher look in his photo.
jerjapan - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 07:44 AM EDT (#400639) #
If I squint hard I see a bit of Reed Johnson in Kirwer.  He plays everywhere in the OF, has some pop, and is clearly a strong baserunner / SB threat. 

This is the sort of prospect we'd all write off, due to his age for the level, if it wasn't for the last year of no ball, and the elimination of teams in the minors.  Hard to know if the guy improved significantly in the offseason or if he's just dominating younger players. 
Shoeless Joe - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 09:16 AM EDT (#400641) #
Kevin Smith is 6th in wRC+ for the AAA East League, with two former Jays hands ahead of him in Edward Oliviares and Anthony Alford.
hypobole - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 09:41 AM EDT (#400644) #
Smith and Olivares look much more legit than Alford. Alford's .479 BABIP is due for major regression and his 34% K rate with a 16.5% SwStr is pretty terrible.
hypobole - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 09:50 AM EDT (#400645) #
On the subject of ex-Jays in AAA, the Reds AAA team just released Dwight Smith jr. Lunchbox Snider, who hasn't played in the majors since 2015 is still hanging in with Atlanta's Gwinnett AAA team.
Glevin - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 10:53 AM EDT (#400649) #
"Smith and Olivares look much more legit than Alford. Alford's .479 BABIP is due for major regression and his 34% K rate with a 16.5% SwStr is pretty terrible."

Alford also has a 40% K rate in 117 PAs in the majors and is 27 in a month. Olivares also has a .425 BABIP which obviously isn't sustainable but he has a chance to be a major leaguer of some sort, probably 4th-5th OFer type with his speed. Smith has a much more reasonable .326 BABIP and is the youngest of the 3. I remain a bit skeptical of Smith still because this is so much better than he's ever been but the longer he continues this, the more the skepticism fades.
John Northey - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 11:24 AM EDT (#400651) #
hypobole - didn't notice that Travis Snider was still kicking. Remember when we all thought he'd be the next great Jay? Sigh. In AAA hitting 176/368/333 in 68 PA after a 899 OPS in 2019. Missing 2018 and 2020 probably killed any momentum he had towards returning. Now 33 years old. In 2008 at 20 we all had HOF dreams when he had a 114 OPS+ in 80 PA. He didn't hit that well again until 2014 for Pittsburgh (117 in 322 PA) but dropped to an 82 OPS+ in 2015 and has been touring AAA and retirement ever since.

Smith Jr. was hitting just 220/327/283 but never was hyped as much as Snider. Despite his 126 OPS+ as a Jay (104 PA from ages 24 + 25). Many thought he might come back to haunt the Jays but his 86 OPS+ in Baltimore ensured that wouldn't be an issue. At 28 he might get another shot somewhere.
scottt - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 11:48 AM EDT (#400652) #
Left bats get another chance and LHP get many more.
hypobole - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 12:13 PM EDT (#400654) #
Snider and a couple of other things got me thinking. Travis' star had faded considerably by the time he was traded, but Brad Lincoln ended up as pretty awful return. Negative WAR both sites both seasons.

There was a shot made at the current FO's building a bullpen, but ninja was the one who really had the issues. The Delabar trade was pretty good, the Santos trade was a high risk high reward loss, similar to the Yates signing this year.

But in addition to Lincoln, the Esmil Rogers for Yan Gomes deal will never be forgotten as long as a few people here keep posting. The Mark Lowe trade meh at best. And the Francisco Cordero signing. A few people squinted really hard to find a positive (kinda like Atkins Morales signing), but most knew it was doomed to fail.
scottt - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 01:18 PM EDT (#400656) #
League for Morrow was a fine trade, he just needed to  keep Morrow in the pen.

Casey Janssen was always a funky choice for closer.

Sergio Santos was a big move that didn't work, but Molina never even reached.

Hendriks was great, but the Atkins and Shapiro were desperate for someone who could start.
I guess that was before the "opener" took off.

scottt - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#400657) #
Saw that a 20 year old died on June 12 of complications from Tommy John surgery on June 8 at a facility in Maryland.

Freakingly shocking.

hypobole - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 01:56 PM EDT (#400658) #
Yeah, Hendriks was a good pickup by AA, although he was traded before Atkins was hired. LaCava did great with the Happ and Estrada FA signings, pretty poorly with the Hendiks/Chavez deal.

hypobole - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 02:14 PM EDT (#400661) #
Alex Nolan promoted to the C's. His numbers don't look very good at all, but he serves the dual purpose of replacing Reyes in the pen and Kirwir's Canadian content.
uglyone - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#400663) #
"but ninja was the one who really had the issues."



Osuna 69.2ip, 64era-, 1.6awar/65
Cecil 54.1ip, 61era-, 1.5awar/65
Sanchez 26.1ip, 59era-, 1.2awar/65
Hendriks 64.2ip, 72era-, 1.2awar/65
Hawkins 16.1ip, 68era-, 0.8awar/65
Lowe 19.0ip, 93era-, 0.3awar/65
Schultz 43.0ip, 88era-, 0.0awar/65
Loup 42.1ip, 110era-, -0.1awar/65

Estrada 10.2ip, 21era-, 1.2awar/65
Tepera 33.0ip, 81era-, -0.3awar/65
Castro 12.1ip, 108era-, -0.5awar/65
Delabar 29.1ip, 129era-, -0.7awar/65
Francis 22.0ip, 151era-, -0.7awar/65
Redmond 12.0ip, 185era-, -1.1awar/65

hypobole - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 03:37 PM EDT (#400666) #
Any GM can promote guys from the minors.
hypobole - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 04:57 PM EDT (#400672) #
Bullpen FIP rank by year:
2010 - 22nd
2011 - 22nd
2012 - 29th
2013 - 23rd
2014 - 26th
2015 - 15th

scottt - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#400673) #
He drafted a few:
15th round Ryan Borucki
3rd round Patrick Murphy
12th Tim Mayza
2nd round Sean Reid-Foley
10th Jordan Romano
7th round Travis Bergen
21th Taylor Saucedo

greenfrog - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 06:20 PM EDT (#400680) #
Moreno is on BAís new Hot Sheet.

Lots of content about Jays prospects (Moreno, Taylor, Pearson) in Kyle Glaserís chat this afternoon.
hypobole - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 06:35 PM EDT (#400684) #
Bisons game tonight postponed due to opponents covid issues; testing and contact tracing in the Syracuse Mets organization.
#2JBrumfield - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 09:44 PM EDT (#400699) #
The Jays have signed righty Brian Rapp as a free agent and will make his debut with Vancouver tonight in Eugene. He's a 25 year-old who pitched for the New York Boulders in the Frontier League. He was a Minnesota draft pick in the 26th round of 2018 out of Boston College. Throws a four-seam, sinker, curveball, slider and changeup according to this link.
Gerry - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 10:41 PM EDT (#400709) #
Gabriel Moreno walked four times tonight. Has word got around?
greenfrog - Tuesday, June 22 2021 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#400710) #
And hey - another home run for Taylor (#12). This baseball thing is easy!
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