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It's nice to go travelling, but it's oh so nice to come home.


The road trip began in Florida, as you may recall. Like this:

There is so much to unpack here.*† (I have had to reduce its size to make it fit, thus compromising its quality - the original lives here) There are the crocs (with socks!) being worn by the $150 million dollar outfielder, there are the mighty pillars that are Alejandro Kirk's legs, there is† the strange fact that Gausman and Tapia clearly go shopping for clothes together. And I don't know if there's any possible explanation for Ross Stripling in this picture. But I'm especially fond of Tim Mayza's hat. (He's tucked away in back of Cavan - "I'm too cool for everyone" - Biggio and Springer.) I like Manoah's hat as well because it looks like mine. You have to wear a hat in the summertime once you've lost your natural protection from the sun, and heaven knows my own natural protection, once as lustrous and glorious as young Bichette's, is now but a faded memory, lost and gone forever. I miss it so much.

ANYWAY. It's especially nice to come home when you play .618 ball in your own barn. The Blue Jays have played exactly 55 games both home and away, and it's slightly interesting that they've scored more runs while allowing fewer runs in their road games. Where they have a losing record. It seems a little odd. Three other AL teams have pulled off this same strange double-double, scoring more and giving up fewer on the road - but those three teams (Chicago, Oakland, Texas) all have better won-lost records on the road than they do at home.

Well, the Jays record in one run games is 14-4 at home, 8-13 on the road. That's probably got something to do with it. And they did win one road game by 23 runs.

Hey, it's the first ever visit to Toronto by the Guardians of Cleveland. The Jays hooked up with the Guardians in Cleveland for four games in early May and I fear it did not go well. And I blame myself. Rather than seriously consider the qualities of the Jays' competition, I instead indulged myself in a whimsical meditation on team nicknames. This was little more than a flimsy excuse for the usual wisecracks, of course. And while I was having my cheap fun, things were going amiss.

Things started out well enough on the Thursday. In the very first inning, a Bichette single and a Guerrero homer gave Jose Berrios, coming off three strong starts in succession (he'd allowed four runs total), an early lead. But in the third inning, he was unexpectedly tagged for a game-tying homer by Steven Kwan. It was the very first long ball of young Kwan's career (he's hit another since), and possibly shook Berrios to his very core. He gave uo another run in the next inning on two singles and a groundout, and three more in the fifth. The fighting Jays fought back, and closed to within a single run when Captain Kirk led off the seventh with a solo homer. Brdley Zimmer then singled (he did, honest!), stole second, and took third on a Tapia groundout. But Bichette popped out, they pitched around Vlad, and Gurriel grounded out. End of threat.

On Friday, it rained.

So they played two on Saturday. The Jays abused Shane Bieber in the opener - Kirk had three hits, Springer and Tapia each drove in three runs - and handed Kevin Gausman a 7-1 lead, which he took into the seventh. Trent Thornton was the first reliever, and while he finished off the seventh well enough, he immediately walked the bases full in the eighth. Julian Merryweather had to finish it off.

Alas, things did not go so well in the nightcap. Springer singled and scored on a Bichette double to start the contest. That was good, but Ross Stripling quickly got roughed up for four hits and three runs in the bottom half of the inning. He would give up just one more hit over the rest of his outing, but naturally it was a Reyes HR that put Cleveland up 4-2. Then the Jays bullpen got into the act, with sad results. The Guardians piled on additional runs against each of Phelps, Borucki, and Lawrence to salvage a split on the day with an 8-2 win.

So on Sunday, the Jays hoped to salvage a split in the series. Yet again, the Jays struck first. The first four batters all reached, and two of them scored on a Hernandez single. They left the bases loaded, and the Guardians tied it up against Manoah in the third, on a Kwan double, a Ramirez triple, and Miller's sac fly. Manoah threw a ton of pitches and was done after five; Cleveland starter Morgan lasted through seven, which was when the Jays went ahead on a Springer sac fly. But in the bottom of the eighth, Miller tied the game with a homer off Mayza. With two outs and the bases empty, Cimber relieved Mayza. He gave up a Reyes single, walked Gimenez, and gave up an RBI single to Mercado. Clase retired the Jays in order in the ninth. Ballgame.

The Guardians have been locked in a struggle with Minnesota for AL Central supremacy all season long. The Guardians have usually trailed, but at this very instant they've inched ahead. It sure helps to be playing Detroit while your rivals are forced to deal with the mighty Dodgers. Still, the Guardians seem a rather average team - they do score and allow an average amount of runs, and June was the only month that they really distinguished themselves (18-10). I worry that I'm underestimating them. For certain, that Jose Ramirez is a mighty, mighty man and Emmanuel Clase might be the best closer in the whole damn league. I've definitely been impressed by starter Triston McKenzie. He's about as skinny as a human can be, which does get one's attention. He's possibly been their best starting pitcher, which didn't figure. I guess Shane Bieber has been perfectly fine as well. But Cal Quantrill has been kind of ordinary, and Zach Plesac has been kind of bad.

Matchups!

Fri 12 Aug - Quantrill (8-5, 3.88) vs White (1-3, 3.86)
Sat 13 Aug - McKenzie (8-8, 3.16) vs White (1-3, 3.86)
Sun 14 Aug - Bieber (7-6, 3.21) vs Gausman (8-8, 2.91)


* (From left to right): Luis Rivera, Santiago Espinal, John Schneider (back), Alejandro Kirk, Jordan Romano (back), Kevin Gausman, Jose Berrios (back), Cavan Biggio, Tim Mayza (back), George Springer, Adam Cimber (back), Ross Stripling, Danny Jansen (back), Pete Walker (way back), Matt Buschmann (front), Alek Manoah, Matt Chapman (front), David Phelps (back), Yimi Garcia, Trent Thornton (back), Bo Bichette (front), Raimel Tapia, Bradley Zimmer, Trevor Richards (back), Teoscar Hernandez (front), Zack Collins, Yusei Kikuchi (back), Vlad Guerrero, Anthony Banda (back), Lourdes Gurriel, Hunter Mense (back), Dave Hudgens, Casey Candaele (back), Guillermo Martinez, David Howell
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Mike Green - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 01:32 PM EDT (#419626) #
Manoah's sunglasses.  Everything about Mount Manoah is big.

Steven Kwan hit his 3rd homer last night.  He's settling in as a kind of throw-back outfielder- hitting .300/.375/.397 with a 10/3 SB/CS.  He has struck out only 36 times, and popped up only 10 times, this season.  He puts the ball in play, usually on the ground or on a line, and he will take a walk.  He's a good defender in left.
Magpie - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#419627) #
Everything about Mount Manoah is big.

I was reminded of C.C. Sabathia this morning, and Mount Manoah is kind of white RH version, no? The original carried even more weight than Alek, and he remained marvellously effective and healthy into his late 30s.
92-93 - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#419628) #
They don't have much choice but to give Kikuchi more opportunities to right the ship. If the Jays are going to rest Gurriel and Hernandez in an important divisional series with Springer out of the lineup and an off-day coming, they should be erring on the side of caution too with the pitching. They either need to roll with a 6-man rotation or give Manoah a couple weeks off so he's at his sharpest for the (hopefully) playoffs.
Mike Green - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#419629) #
Yep.  I usually prefer the long-term future of position players over pitchers, but if I had to pick whether to take the 2033 season of Vladimir Guerrero Jr., Bo Bichette or Alek Manoah, I'd pick Manoah's.  And it might work out that he's the one who is here then. 
92-93 - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#419630) #
Who knows what "white" even means anymore, but Manoah is fully Cuban.
Mike Green - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#419631) #
As I mentioned, if they are giving Kikuchi another shot, I'd much prefer it as the "main event" following a RH opener for 2 innings. 
Magpie - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 02:24 PM EDT (#419632) #
Who knows what "white" even means anymore

Good point. In this context, paler than Sabathia.
Mike Green - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#419633) #
I don't know Manoah's family story.  Alek is a name of Greek origin that is very common in Russia.  Manoah is an Old Testament figure (the father of Samson- cue Regina Spektor).  His mother's name is Susie Lluch- to my surprise, Lluch is a Spanish name with origins in Catalonia and Valencia.

I am sure there is a fascinating family history story there. 
Cracka - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 02:55 PM EDT (#419634) #
I believe that Alek's grandmother immigrated from Cuba and lived with Alek while he was growing up. She only spoke Spanish, so Alek had to learn the language if he wanted to eat (he's fluent).
scottt - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 03:11 PM EDT (#419635) #
Florida, on the whole, is a very segregated society. Walled neighborhoods. Gated communities.
The Cubans are over here, the Jamaicans are over there.
It's the same for the tourists. The Quebecers go there to live among Quebecers.

Magpie - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#419636) #
Upon further reflection, I really have to hand it to Yimi Garcia. Was the thought process "I'm going to Florida, and I need an outfit. Something pink. With yellow roses."

Because that would just rock.
uglyone - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#419637) #
So after two days off, we get a lineup which includes both Bradley and Merrifield and has Lourdes leading off and no Jansen.
Eephus - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 03:50 PM EDT (#419639) #
I must say I'm also incredibly fond of Jordan Romano apparently being the only one either somehow not aware of a photo being taken, or simply not caring to turn towards the lens. Additionally, Stripling's farmer's tan is hilarious (basically everything about Stripling in that photo is) and I likewise agree that Manoah's hat is excellent. 

Big series starting tonight. Lets see what these fellas can do.
Magpie - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 03:54 PM EDT (#419641) #
Yeah, I think we all went "oh no" when they signed Bradley for this very reason. Give a manager a new toy, he's going to want to see how it works. They always do.

Jansen has been back for a while, but he left his bat on the IL, alone and forlorn. And Schneider doesn't seem to have anything near the same reliable catcher rotation as his predecessor. You can always count on Kirk-Manoah, and Kirk is not going to catch two days in a row (two games is another matter.) Since the switch Berrios has had four games with Jansen (the last one alone was bad) and one with Kirk; Gausman has three with Jansen, two with Kirk; Stripling has two with Jansen, one with Kirk. He either going to try to stay flexible, or he hasn't found something he likes.
Magpie - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#419642) #
I continue to be stunned by the matching outfits of Gausman and Tapia. Did one of them get two of them by mistake, and give one away to a teammate who was roughly the same size? Are they making some very weird buddy movie? I require an explanation.

We were trying to decide the other day if anybody on this team was what might be considered aesthetically pleasing, and off the evidence of this photograph - none of them, really. Except Teoscar. He looks pretty good here.
scottt - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#419643) #
Kirk has been cold but Jansen has been worse.
Interesting that they're making Kirk catch Berrios.

I don't know you if you caught Siddall's comparison of Kirk and Jansen in lieu of last game.

Tapia has an OPS of .804 over the last 30 days.
Merrifield is hitting .286 with an OBP of .318 in his 6 games. (Not here for power)
Biggio has been in 15 games (in the last 30 days) hitting .233 .306 .701
Espinal has been in 16 games, hitting .196 .241 .255
Jansen has been in 16 games, hitting .188 .255 .313

So you trade Tapia's bat for Bradley's glove.


uglyone - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#419644) #
That's a weird selection of sample sizes.
scottt - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 04:16 PM EDT (#419645) #
Maybe it's a Kangaroo court thing.
scottt - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 04:17 PM EDT (#419646) #
It's the standard 30 day window that mlb publishes.
Magpie - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#419647) #
Berrios is an interesting matchup for this team. He's been very vulnerable to the HR this year (it's by far the most unusual thing about his season) but Cleveland doesn't hit many home runs (only Detroit has less.)

Cleveland does like to run, and they're very good at it. Berrios is one of the toughest pitchers on the Jays staff to run against (Kikuchi is impossible to run against, but why would you even bother? Just let the hitter drive you in.)
scottt - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 04:28 PM EDT (#419648) #
If I look at the same thing for the Guardians:

Their hotter hitter is Luke Maile

.385 .484 .538 for an OPS of 1.022 in 11 games.
Next are Gimenez, Kwan, Rosario.
Ramirez is only hitting .750 and it's not great outside of that.
Of course, I think  they have Naylor back.

Magpie - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 04:32 PM EDT (#419649) #
Their hotter hitter is Luke Maile

Ouch!

It hurts when your jaw hits the floor. In other news, men from Mars have landed.
92-93 - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#419650) #
Siddall knows his catching. What did he say about Kirk and Jansen?
vw_fan17 - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 04:45 PM EDT (#419651) #
Was this a case of "everyone over to Old Navy (or some other store) and pick an outfit for this trip for free" to give the store free advertising?
Nigel - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 04:47 PM EDT (#419652) #
Unfortunately, we will now have to endure a run of JBJ of something like 50-60 ABs until Schneider has satisfied his obligation to "veteraness" and "world series winnerness". Blech. It's yet one more of the unwritten rules of baseball that are aggravating to me these days rather than charming.
92-93 - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#419653) #
Two thumbs up on this lineup. Merrifield didn't look comfortable defensively in CF last game, so it's natural that Schneider would go to Bradley and play Whit at 2B while Espinal is slumping. It's also good to get Guerrero off his feet for as long a break as possible.

Nigel - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#419654) #
And we will have to listed to Tabler's non stop commentary on how JBJ's veteran savvy is just so darn valuable.
uglyone - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 05:09 PM EDT (#419655) #
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1558198804041572356
uglyone - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 05:25 PM EDT (#419656) #
oops
Magpie - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#419657) #
I was interested! It passed.
bpoz - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 05:35 PM EDT (#419658) #
Our 1992/93 WS champs were veterans (old guys) but I love them. Our current hopefuls are much younger.
vw_fan17 - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 05:37 PM EDT (#419659) #
It was Joe Carter's clutch veteranness that allowed guys ahead of him to get on base so he could get 100+ rbi.

/s
Lylemcr - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 05:54 PM EDT (#419660) #
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/08/mariners-designate-ken-giles-for-assignment.html

The Jays need to pick up Giles. The problem with the Mariners is that they are SO pitching deep. Shoot, Flexen is the 6th starter! The Jays can give Giles a chance to solidify the bullpen
Chuck - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#419661) #
And we will have to listen to Tabler's non stop commentary on how JBJ's veteran savvy is just so darn valuable.

Tangentially related... Hurkacz defeated Kyrgios this afternoon in tennis. Arash Madani, always eager to wedge a honey-dripped dramatic narrative into any possible opening, asked Hurkacz what he presumably thought was a leading question.

"Did your experience playing here let you more easily navigate blah blah blah blah?"

The answer: "No." Not even a qualified no. "Everyone here is very good and anyone can win."

This brings to mind an xkcd comic I particularly enjoy.

Magpie - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 06:06 PM EDT (#419662) #
The Jays need to pick up Giles.

I dunno. Richards hasn't been good, but I don't think I'd DFA him on the remote chance that Giles can stay healthy for more than a week.
John Northey - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 06:24 PM EDT (#419663) #
Giles isn't too interesting to me as in AAA he threw 12 1/3 innings but walked 10 vs 15 K and gave up 4 home runs. Yikes.
Magpie - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 06:47 PM EDT (#419665) #
It was Joe Carter's clutch veteranness

Trying to get a rise out of me, aren't you? I know what you're doing. You know that no one else within the sound of your voice will stick up for Joe, and for that very reason alone I probably won't be able to resist. You think I'm going to fall right into your trap...

Listen up, wise guy! Joe Carter was a good player! He was a good player in the AL for eight years in a row (we won't speak of his San Diego sojourn!) He never missed a game, he moved to whatever position you needed him to play, and his bat was as reliable as the sunrise. There's a real value in a guy like that, in quality you can count on.

I grant that you're probably not winning anything if he's your best hitter, the 1991 Jays notwithstanding. And we all saw the tail end of his career, and those last three seasons were really, really bad. And he was absurdly overrated by the local media, Tom Cheek in particular, who thought he was an automatic first-ballot Hall of Famer. But he wasn't chopped liver! He was a good player! [Magpie lapses into incoherent frothing at the mouth.]
dalimon5 - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 06:51 PM EDT (#419666) #
1. Funny seeing people write of JBJ so soon after writing off Tapia. Letís see what he does in a Jays uni. I donít think he will get 60abís unchecked.

2. Ken Giles throws 96+ and is a no brainer to sign. Problem is thereís probably 20 other teams who want to sign him. Only way you donít sign him is if you think Pearson and Merryweather will return and be more effective.

Magpie - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 06:57 PM EDT (#419667) #
The karma police have had a word with me. Apparently, I lost myself for a minute there.

You can only sign Giles if he clears waivers. Jake McGee couldn't clear waivers, someone will probably take a chance on Giles. I still wouldn't cut someone for a guy with his health record.

And speaking of health, James Karinchak will be missing from the Cleveland bullpen for the usual reason. He's been pretty good this season.
Paul D - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 07:03 PM EDT (#419668) #
Tatis busted for PEDs. Wow
Mike Green - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 07:04 PM EDT (#419669) #
What happened to Joe Carter in 1990?  He was in San Diego the year before the big trade.  He was 30 and played in all 162 games.  And if you believe the statistical record, he truly stunk out the joint.  He was a bad hitter, and an even worse fielder.  It added up to the worst year of his career.  My guess is that he was playing with nagging injuries for the whole year. 

His best year, by far, was 1986.  He hit .300 in Cleveland with power (but not quite as much as he would have later on), stole 29 bases in 36 tries and played good defence.  I'd guess that he wasn't uppercutting as much as he did later on.
lexomatic - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#419670) #
<br> San Diego went after Soto because of this? Or has bad due diligence or bad luck?
But Wow Tatis!
greenfrog - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#419671) #
That blows up the Soto trade. And what about Tatisís massive contract? What a mess.
Magpie - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 07:21 PM EDT (#419672) #
He was 30 and played in all 162 games.

The Padres also played him in CF all year, which was definitely a bridge too far for his defensive skill-set. I dunno about the rest. Jack Murphy wasn't a good place to hit, he didn't know the league, the team was bad.
Mike Green - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 07:23 PM EDT (#419673) #
Ross Stripling is starting for Buffalo tonight and into the 3rd inning without allowing a run.
greenfrog - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 07:29 PM EDT (#419674) #
JBJ may have struggled with the bat over the last couple of seasons, but I feel good having his defense in the outfield.
Magpie - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 07:32 PM EDT (#419675) #
Gosh. Buck not wild about trading Paul Quantrill for Luke Prokopec. Go figure.
greenfrog - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#419676) #
I wonder whether Tatisís relationship with his teammates (the non-PED-using ones) can recover from this development, especially if the Padres fall short of a WS title.
Nigel - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 07:42 PM EDT (#419677) #
JBJs veteraness didnít stop him from a horrible decision to throw to third.
uglyone - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 07:44 PM EDT (#419678) #
and a bad throw home.
greenfrog - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#419679) #
Looks like that throw is the least of the Jaysí concerns at the moment.
uglyone - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 07:46 PM EDT (#419680) #
Berrios' "bad starts" split that we want to ignore keeps getting too big to ignore.

ah well, at least we stacked our A+ batting lineup tonight.
greenfrog - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 07:48 PM EDT (#419681) #
Berrios and Kikuchi are pitching the Jays out of a playoff spot (in part because of the impact of their short starts on the bullpen).

And the Ryu/Berrios/Kikuchi contracts might eventually cost Atkins his job.
uglyone - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 08:09 PM EDT (#419682) #
keep the bad pitcher in whatever you do.

only pull starters when they're pitching great.
Magpie - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 08:11 PM EDT (#419683) #
Look on the bright side. When Berrios loses, he loses so comprehensively that the A list relievers can pull up a chair and relax.
Mike Green - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#419684) #
The cup is 1/8th full.
Mike Green - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 08:45 PM EDT (#419685) #
They probably want to give Romano the ball today.  He last pitched on August 7, although it was for 2 innings.
Kasi - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#419687) #
Well if youíre going to lose big might as well lose big on the day where your offence only managed a single hit. Jays werenít winning this game regardless.
krose - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#419688) #
The Ryu/Berrios/Kikuchi contracts might cost Atkins his job.

Canít help but wonder what would have to happen for Ross to lose his job. If the Jays donít make the playoffs, will that be enough.
uglyone - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#419689) #
"Well if youíre going to lose big might as well lose big on the day where your offence only managed a single hit. Jays werenít winning this game regardless."

Nigel - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#419690) #
Their record against good teams (.500 or better) is bad. At some point, we may just have to accept that for a variety of reasons this team, this year, isnít that good or what we hoped. That still feels like a surprising conclusion to me.
dalimon5 - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 10:23 PM EDT (#419691) #
Once again the best hitters on the team are futile when it counts and nobody says a peep, they just target the pitcher (who wouldíve lost if he only gave up one run) or the new CF back up.

Vlad, Kirk and Bichette cannot hit good pitching, when will ANYBODY in this city start calling out our hitters not named Springer, Gurriel or Hernandez????????

1/10 for these 3 in the 2/3/5 spots and you have to wonder if itís going to be much different against good pitching, especially in the playoffs.

Bradley Jr had the same amount of hits as those 3, going 1/3.
greenfrog - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 10:27 PM EDT (#419692) #
Next year the Jays will devote almost $50m of payroll to Ryu, Kikuchi and Berrios. That trio has combined for a negative WAR in 2022 (around -0.5 fWAR, depending where Berrios ends up after tonight).

They really need Berrios and/or Kikuchi to right the ship.
Kasi - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 10:31 PM EDT (#419693) #
Dalimon I do feel a lot of the hitters on this team are good front runners in that they do much better when theyíre ahead or behind big. But that could just be sample size or bias after seeing them struggle to get hits in close games. I do feel our team has more bad pitch hitters than legitimately good hitters.
Four Seamer - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 10:33 PM EDT (#419694) #
Tonight is further demonstration of the reason I didnít get too hot and bothered by Atkins failing to make a big move at the deadline; Bichette, Guerrero and Hernandez have all underwhelmed this season, Springer is a part-time player and the less said about Berrios and Kikuchi the better. This is just a middling squad, indistinguishable from all the other second division squads playing for an expanded playoff spot, and if those guys donít start to change the narrative, all the reinforcements in the world arenít going to a damn thing. Obviously the managerial change was no magical elixir and it may be time to accept that either these guys arenít who we thought they were or it isnít their year. I hope itís the latter, but these guys have already cost one guy his job and I expect theyíll cost a few other guys theirs before the off-season really gets started at this rate.
dalimon5 - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 10:40 PM EDT (#419695) #
Bo is a good hitter in the sense that he can cover really hard to hit balls. Heís done well in pressure situations last year during the stretch run, but all that gets thrown out when heís swinging at everything.

Vlad Iím calling BS. Heís rolled over so many pitches and just seems to sit on meatball mistakes. He looks a lot like a kid who practiced hitting home runs during batting practice his whole life. I donít think he can take the top pitchers in the game deep, not like Trout did to Sale or Soto to deGrom. He did it once against Cole but that seemed more like a fluke at this point.

Gurriel and Teoscar have sound approaches at the plate and Springer is amazing. Kirk looks more and more like a hit first catcher who clogs up the bases and is somewhere between his peak from earlier this season and where he is now. Iíd probably value him like Kwan but that lack of athleticism makes him more difficult to utilize. Sure heís probably our best pure hitter.

Maybe Vlad and Vi shouldnít be hitting where they are. Looking back I really admire what Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion were doing. Those guys never got cheated and were tough tough outs. Same with Donaldson in Ď15 and Ď16.

Interestingly, having Marcus Semien on this team really made Bo and Clad change their approach. The line up just clicked last year and guys seemed to be going up to bat with a game plan. Perhaps itís just me but I do miss Semien, though I wouldnít give up Chapman, heís just perfect on this team.
krose - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 10:41 PM EDT (#419696) #
Frustrating night in what is becoming a trend. Could this be a foreshadowing of things to come. Does the data suggest that we should expect something closer to mediocre than very good?
uglyone - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#419697) #
"I didnít get too hot and bothered by Atkins failing to make a big move at the deadline"

dalimon5 - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#419698) #
Arthritis inducing iPhone mini being used hereÖ excuse the typos.

I am not worried about Berrios and Kikuchi. One is having a bad luck season. Looks to me like heís overthrowing. The other was signed to be the 5th starter and I think he will fulfill that role fine. Theyíre struggling Bo doubt right now but that will happen with players. Gausman struggled but he righted himself quickly.

Perhaps Pete Walker deserves some attention. Itís been awhile since weíve looked at a pitcher and said ďthat guy turned out well.Ē

Also, probably not a great idea to put Kirk in the line up with Berrios.
dalimon5 - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 10:49 PM EDT (#419699) #
I also think Atkins job is very very very much on the line.
greenfrog - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 11:06 PM EDT (#419700) #
Pre-2021, I wanted Realmuto over Springer (which I took heat for) and while Springer has been great when healthy, he seems to be falling apart in year two of his six-year contract. At the moment, JT leads the cumulative WAR race, 8.1 to 4.8. And heís on a 5/$115.5m contract versus Springerís 6/$150m one.

Of course, the Jays have depth at catcher and to make room for JT, they probably would have ended up selling low on Jansen or Kirk, so Ö what can you do. At least they didnít sign Bauer.

The Jays may be entering tricky payroll territory. There may be several overpaid / underperforming / injured veterans combined with a number of arb raises over the next couple of years.
dalimon5 - Friday, August 12 2022 @ 11:11 PM EDT (#419701) #
Springer is not an issue. Itís really hard to find elite players who play every day in their 30s. Find me someone like Springer playing every day.

At this point Iíd be very interested to see the Jays keep Berrios and Springer, see what they can get for Vlad and Bo before their contracts expire and bank on the farm.
krose - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 12:48 AM EDT (#419702) #
Not going out onto the ledge just yet. But it is interesting to see the team in a much different light than early in the season.
92-93 - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 12:58 AM EDT (#419703) #
They used 5 relievers for 5 innings down 8-0 after two days off?! This front office has no idea how to build a bullpen. By Tuesday it will be ďtiredĒ again. If they wonít use Thornton for more than an inning in this kind of game they should just call Merryweather up and have him fire his limited ammo at the MLB level.
uglyone - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 01:37 AM EDT (#419704) #
* 2020: 11th MLB
* 2021: 9th MLB
* 2022: 11th MLB


This team is still definitely good enough to go on a run and win it all, but they sure aren't favorites, and I think they had the resources to make themselves one of the favorites.

I'm also not sure that they can count on age curves providing significant internal improvement going forward.
SK in NJ - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 09:07 AM EDT (#419705) #
Agreed that this 2022 team probably isn't the team we were all expecting them to be. They are 32-31 since June 1, and this was after holding their heads above water with a much more difficult schedule early on. They needed more reinforcements at the deadline, but the farm system isn't in a place where they have a surplus of expendable, highly valued prospects, so I'm not even sure who they could have gotten.

I think Atkins' job is safe (unless the team misses the playoffs entirely), but whether it's him or someone else, the FO needs to be a bit more creative this winter. The talent is there for the most part but something is missing. The sad part is, the Orioles are very close to overtaking the Jays, and I'm not talking just about this season. It's not getting any easier.
greenfrog - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 09:20 AM EDT (#419706) #
Baseball can be weird, though. Despite the somewhat disappointing performance this year, the team could get hot in September/October and end up having a decent postseason run. They will need Springer to get healthy and productive and Berrios to regain his effectiveness.
Nigel - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 10:37 AM EDT (#419707) #
The Jays are 29-39 against teams with a .500 or better record. For context, thatís the poorest performance of any of the AL East teams. I think this team is good but sometimes the evidence from a large enough sample size suggests otherwise. The Jays have a ton of games left against good teams.
bpoz - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 10:48 AM EDT (#419708) #
What ever the reason is, some players are not having as good a season this year compared to last year. Therefore I can conclude that differences from season to season is common.

I cannot prove it by C Delgado because he was good year after year. Also Mike Wilner said to his faithful listeners that by the end of the year V Wells would have his good numbers. This proved true. I miss Wilner's insights.

2022 Kirk is much better than 2021 Kirk, SSS. D Jansen is consistent over his ML career. Nothing great offensively.

The Jays are on pace for 88 wins. This probably gets them in the playoffs. 2 less victories probably means they don't make it. 2 more victories probably means that they do make it.

Getting hot in the playoffs may win the WS.
Mike Green - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 11:47 AM EDT (#419713) #
Raimel Tapia gets the start today in centerfield, and (shh) I think that it's the right thing to do.  After a rough start in centerfield, he has looked fine there over the last few months.  In his career, the metrics suggest that he's an average defensive CF (and LF).  He's just terrible in RF, and should never be played there.  Offensively, he's at a 91 wRC+ this year and 85 wRC+ over the last 3 years, and he's a pretty good baserunner overall.  He's not a good player, but a tolerable back-up (I think that Zimmer would have been better if they had given him a full shot, but that ship has sailed). 
dalimon5 - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 12:12 PM EDT (#419715) #
If Vlad and Bo can hit good pitching and especially produce after the 6th inning on, then this team will do well. If Ho continues to go 0-2 every at bat and Vlad hits a slump then this team will fail.

What this team is missing is an elite player from the left side. One poster has been adamant about Cedric Mullins. Thatís exactly what this team needs. And of course a bullpen with Merryweathers, Pearsons and Romanos who can actually pitch and stay healthy.

What the FO has done is stick with Springer to fill that void which he canít when healthy because heís a RHH. Theyíve committed to scrap heap or very good 20th - 25th type players for that LHH. For the bullpen theyíve resigned themselves to trying out guys with elite pitches or spin rates rather than speedÖonly team in baseball doing that with their bullpen by the way.

Whatís coming very clear to me is that most if not all Beauxites have had it right throughout this entire year. Jays needs remain:

* a LHB in the top 4 of the order and
* a shut down bullpen.

I think Kikuchi, Berrios, Tapia and Bradley etc all are just scapegoats for the above holes in the team construction. This team either needed that LHB top 4 and bullpen or they need career years again from Bo, Vlad and Springer.

Hereís whatís available to sign in 60 days:

LHH
Hosmer
Blackmon
Belt
Benintendi
Muncy
Kiermaier
Frazier
Peralta
Nimmo
Pederson
Gallo
*none of the above address the need

Bullpen arms
Chapman
Jansen
Kimbrel
Diaz
Robertson
* only 1 of these guys will improve the pen


Looks like whoever the GM is, Teo or Gurriel will need to go out to bring in some much needed LHH and bullpen help.


Nigel - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 12:16 PM EDT (#419716) #
Agreed. Tapia is probably the best current option in CF against a RH. Sad. An ďout of left fieldĒ option might also be to try Hernandez again in CF and Biggio in RF with Espinal or Merrifield at 2B. The defensive hit of that alignment probably outweighs the offensive upgrade from Tapia to Biggio but thatís not totally clear to me. JBJ just needs to go. Iíd rather have Collins frankly.
Magpie - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 12:17 PM EDT (#419717) #
Getting hot in the playoffs may win the WS.

Well, that's usually what wins it. That, and getting past the Dodgers.

Mike, are you just giving up? Tapia's hit .227 since the calendar turned to August. That's also his OBP. That's also his slugging. He Feeds On Our Scorn, and I fear he's getting hungry.

I'm happy to serve some up to Danny Jansen, who's gone 10-51 since returning from the IL, and both his HRs and half his Runs and RBIs came on a very weird night in Fenway. Never let it be said that I'm not doing my part.
92-93 - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 12:22 PM EDT (#419718) #
Nimmo has the 8th highest OBP in MLB since 2017, hits left-handed, and plays CF. His biggest issue is durability.
Magpie - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 12:23 PM EDT (#419719) #
Last season the Jays were third in the league in runs scored. This year they're second. Is it possible that lineup construction isn't the biggest of their problems?

Oh look. Last year they were fourth in the league in preventing the other team from scoring. This year, they're eighth. I wonder if that means anything.
uglyone - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#419720) #
Tapia's playing time was never going to go down with the way this team was constructed. They always needed a better player in that role.
Petey Baseball - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 12:45 PM EDT (#419721) #
I find it interesting the Jays were also 60-51 at this point last year.

There's been so much ink spilled and talk on yackity yack shows (Blair and Barker's show has become unlistenable)
carping about the bullpen. To me, it boils down to a healthier Springer and losing the consistency of Ryu every five days that have prevented a prolonged stretch of winning baseball this year. Kikuchi is really a punching bag for the fans and media (and yes, when he's been bad, he's been Luke Prokopec bad) but he was always supposed to be the fifth starter.

Someone brought up the other day what team's record over the last two season is with Springer in the lineup, and to me that's the high order bit.
Magpie - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 01:05 PM EDT (#419722) #
Tapia's playing time was never going to go down with the way this team was constructed.

Strange indeed that his playing time has gone down as the season has progressed. Of course, the less he played, the better he played.
Magpie - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 01:12 PM EDT (#419723) #
Someone brought up the other day what team's record over the last two season is with Springer in the lineup, and to me that's the high order bit.

Yes, so I went and looked it up. And I reported that this was a huge issue in 2021, when they played .615 ball with him in the lineup, and .512 when he was out. And a much smaller issue this season (.548 when he plays .538 when he doesn't.)
greenfrog - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#419724) #
I was the one who mentioned the ďSpringer differential.Ē Itís worth noting that he was a 140 wRC+ hitter in 2021, and heís been a 122 wRC+ hitter this year, which might explain the discrepancy in his influence on team performance. Injuries may be a factor in his year-over-year decline.
John Northey - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#419725) #
IMO the big issue this winter is getting a full-time CF. Springer gets hurt a LOT, that isn't going to change as he gets older. So a strong CF which allows him to move to RF thus having more depth to cover his IL time is a big concern. Gurriel and Hernandez are free agents after 2023 so planning on replacing at least one of them is critical too. The rotation has an open slot with Ryu being on the IL for all of 2023 most likely (at best a September option) and Stripling a free agent. There are a few kids who might be able to step in but to expect more than 100-130 innings from any of them would be foolish. Thus the White trade (he takes over Striplings swing slot). How White does from now until seasons end will determine if the Jays need to sign another top notch starter or just a filler.

Remember, no team is as bad as they seem when slumping, nor as good as they seem when winning.
Chuck - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 02:43 PM EDT (#419726) #
Springer's career high in OF starts is 148 and in CF starts 79 (yes, thanks in small part to Jake Marisnick).

This year, he is at 62 OF starts and 60 CF starts. With 51 games to go and him on the IL, 100 OF starts seems unlikely. Time will tell if he can reach his career high of 79 CF starts.

Going into 2023, CF remains at least a halftime job for somebody else. We'll see if the solution remains flotsam and jetsam.

Mike Green - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 02:48 PM EDT (#419727) #
Gausman has an 8-8 record; Berrios' is 8-5.  Gausman has an ERA of 1.80 in his 5 no-decisions; Berrios has an ERA of 5.80 in his 10 no-decisions. 

Berrios has been especially vulnerable to LHB, and teams that are able to run out a string of decent LHB have done well against him.  His curveball has been about as effective as ever, but his fastball and his change have not.  It's been mostly about command, in my opinion, and I have no explanation for it. 
uglyone - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#419728) #
Why is Mitch white starting the 2nd game after a 2 day break?

Gausman really needed a SEVEN day break?

Gah. This team is killing me.
Nigel - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 03:35 PM EDT (#419729) #
Berrios is hard to understand. Prior to this year, Berrios was as close to a metronome as SPs get. He was healthy and delivering significantly above average results (less than star level) year after year. Unless you donít believe in giving any pitcher a long term contract, Berrios seemed like the poster child for a reasonable bet on a longer term deal. His stuff looks the same quality to my untrained eye but the results arenít. Unlike Ryu, who looked toasty to me, I still think heís a good bet to turn things around but whether that happens this year is anyoneís guess.
mathesond - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 03:38 PM EDT (#419730) #
"Gah. This team is killing me."

Choosing which team to cheer for is a choice. There are other teams out there!
Petey Baseball - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#419731) #


Loved Shulman's quote regarding Cleveland. about "They know what they do well, and they know what they don't."

They're getting the most out of their talent....You kind of wish the Jays tinkered a little less with load management, lineup construction and platoon advantage and just played the best nine.
Petey Baseball - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 03:57 PM EDT (#419732) #
Right now with the Springer injury I'd try

2B Merrifield
SS Bichette
1B Guerrero
RF Hernandez
LF Gurriel
C Kirk
3B Chapman
C Jansen
CF Bradley Jr.

It's ridiculous to me that for a team trying to win a World Series is playing Tapia and Espinal in CF and 2B against a team playing as well as Cleveland is right now. Espinal is probably a bit better defensively at 2nd than Merrifield but Merrifield's contact bat, baserunning and experience (yes that's an intangible.....we all saw the Minnesota series) fits better on an everyday basis.

Herm Edwards: You play to win the game.




Nigel - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 03:58 PM EDT (#419733) #
A growing body of evidence that Dodger cast off SPs are better than most teamís 3/4/5 starters.
Petey Baseball - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#419734) #
Bradley Jr. plays everyday when Springer returns. He is still a brilliant defensive centre fielder.
Petey Baseball - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 04:02 PM EDT (#419735) #
My apologies...Bradley Jr. plays CF UNTIL Springer returns.
Mike Green - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 04:13 PM EDT (#419736) #
Jansen hasn't been throwing well for quite a while now, at the same time as popping up a lot. 
Magpie - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#419737) #
I just figure that if you really need a centre fielder who plays great defense, but can't hit... the Jays already have Bradley Zimmer. Why would you want two of him?
Magpie - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 04:31 PM EDT (#419738) #
A growing body of evidence that Dodger cast off SPs are better than most teamís 3/4/5 starters.

No kidding. Dustin May hasn't thrown a pitch this year. Clayton Kershaw and Walker Buehler are on the IL. Do they even miss them?

They've started Andrew Heaney six times, and he's allowed 2 runs in 28 innings, so they may also have Magic Dodger Pixie Dust at their disposal.
Mike Green - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 04:36 PM EDT (#419739) #
I just figure that if you really need a centre fielder who plays great defense, but can't hit... the Jays already have Bradley Zimmer. Why would you want two of him?

A left-handed hitting centerfielder.
krose - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#419740) #
Lucky catch by Tapia there. Turned the wrong way and looked really shaky snagging the ball.
Petey Baseball - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#419741) #
Bradley Jr. had an .818 OPS as recently as 2020. He started 134 games in centre for a very good Brewers team last season. With Merrifield's ability to fill in centre as well, there's no reason for Zimmer to be on the team, either.

Magpie - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#419742) #
He started 134 games in centre for a very good Brewers team last season.

For whom he hit .163/.236/.261, and the real mystery is why they let him play 134 games. (Well, Lorenzo Cain kept getting hurt.) He had one good month in 2020, in a season that only lasted two months. He's hit .224 and slugged .377 over the last six seasons. And of course he's not the defensive player he was when he was 26, because they seldom are.
uglyone - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 05:02 PM EDT (#419743) #
Hate that we're a team where the idea of JBJ playing regularly is even plausible.
Magpie - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 05:08 PM EDT (#419744) #
I figure the theory is something like - washed up old pro who used to be good comes to new team and suddenly revives himself. After all... Matt Carpenter. But this overlooks the fact that the Yankees have an ancient arrangement with the Prince of Darkness, who makes such things possible.
Magpie - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 05:09 PM EDT (#419745) #
It's not remotely plausible, not-so-handsome one. But I'm terrified that it's possible.
greenfrog - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#419746) #
ďLast season the Jays were third in the league in runs scored. This year they're second.Ē

On this point, it feels like the Jays are dining out on their huge-scoring series in Fenway. Not sure the if offensive numbers look that great when you subtract that one series.
Magpie - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 05:22 PM EDT (#419747) #
Not sure the if offensive numbers look that great when you subtract that one series.

Quite true - after all, 40 runs in three games is a lot. But I think most teams get a weekend like that. The Red Sox themselves - tied for third behind the Jays in runs scored - piled on 33 runs in three games in Chicago.
uglyone - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 05:26 PM EDT (#419748) #
Heck what happens to the numbers if you turn that 28 run game into an 8 run game instead.
Magpie - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 05:30 PM EDT (#419749) #
Heck what happens to the numbers if you turn that 28 run game into an 8 run game instead.

They would have scored two fewer runs than Boston and Houston, while also playing three games fewer than both as well. Boston's had two games where they 16 runs, Houston's had three where they scored 13. They Jays two best are 28 and 12.
Mike Green - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 05:32 PM EDT (#419750) #
Why would you do that, UO?  The 2021 Blue Jays had games of 22, 18, 15 runs and a bunch of 12-13 run games.  If you want to say 18 instead of 28, that makes some sense because after 18, each run is of no significance. 
Magpie - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#419751) #
If you take away the Jays' highest scoring season - surely you need to take away the other teams' highest scoring series as well.
Magpie - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 05:36 PM EDT (#419752) #
"highest scoring series"
dalimon5 - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#419753) #
Chapman and Gurriel should be hitting ahead of Bo.
Magpie - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 05:43 PM EDT (#419754) #
CHapman and Gurriel should be hitting ahead of Bo.

Gurriel actually does hit ahead of him. Whether Chapman should is debatable.
Mike Green - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 05:49 PM EDT (#419755) #
Andres Gimenez is a heckuva player. I hadn't appreciated how good he is until this series.
uglyone - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 05:54 PM EDT (#419756) #
Sure would be nice to hold this 1 run lead in one of those magical games where the bullpen KS neither overworked nor in need of work.

Chuck - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 05:58 PM EDT (#419757) #
the Jays already have Bradley Zimmer. Why would you want two of him?

And two of him each with Bradley in their name. My money would be that Zimmer gets cuts loose once Springer is back.

Chuck - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 06:00 PM EDT (#419758) #
Andres Gimenez is a heckuva player.

Indeed. He's having the stealthiest of 4-WAR seasons.

uglyone - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 06:03 PM EDT (#419759) #
That's a huge win.

Now gausman gotta win the series for us.
Chuck - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 06:09 PM EDT (#419760) #
Interesting that Schneider does not bring in both JBJ and Zimmer for defense.
Magpie - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 06:09 PM EDT (#419761) #
I'm trying to think if I've ever seen a player as skinny as Triston McKenzie. I even dug out an Oil Can Boyd video, but McKenzie makes Oil Can look like Boomer Wells. Can you still even see him if he turns sideways?
92-93 - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 06:34 PM EDT (#419762) #
Hernandez was due up, so you canít take him out in a 2-1 game. Schneider must value Gurrielís arm over some added range in LF.
grjas - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 07:00 PM EDT (#419763) #
Mitch White has now started 11 games with an ERA of about 3.5 and a similar FIP. He is clearly the fourth best starter on the team right now and it's not even close. If the Jays are serious about winning they should send Kikuchi to the minors until at least the rosters expand. With White and Stripling continuing to pitching well, Berrios de facto becomes the fifth starter making his Jeckyl and Hyde act more tolerable. Unfortunately that leaves Thorton as the long man, but it beats seeing Kikuchi every 5 days.

And once Stripling has started a couple of more games, it's time to see if he can start making it through the order three times.
dalimon5 - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 07:10 PM EDT (#419764) #
This team will only go as far as Berrios allows then. He ainít going to the 5th spot.

Anyone else see the graphic on the telecast showing Chapman with the best OPS in the last month in MLB other than Judge?

I was impressed with the Orioles. Iím blown away by the Guardians. Someone go get us Antonetti.

Nigel - Saturday, August 13 2022 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#419765) #
I was fairly impressed with White today. He hit 95 a few times and his breaking ball got a few ugly swings from LHHs. He looks like a viable backend starter. I was wrong on my deadline day assessment of that deal.
99BlueJaysWay - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 12:16 AM EDT (#419766) #
I havenít seen any one else post this (apologies if I missed it), but I saw this thread by someone trying to figure out the Berrios question.

https://twitter.com/downtoblack/status/1558413879859974145?s=21&t=U-eHEai7A2vJ9EpvirsDGw

Bottom line, heís had the least effective 4 seamer in MLB since 2020
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 10:41 AM EDT (#419768) #
Triston McKenzie - 6' 5" - 165 lbs.
Lourdes Gurriel Jr. - 6' 4" - 215 lbs.
Raimel Tapia - 6' 3" - 175 lbs.
Chris Sale - 6' 6" - 183 lbs.

WEEI article: "I was at 197 at the end of 2019," Sale said. "That was the most I've ever weighed in my life and how do you think that resulted for me. I sucked and I blew out. I'm not saying that was the reason..." Sale now sits between 174-177 pounds...

In my mind, Gurriel and Tapia have the ideal body types for a ballplayer. Tall & slender. (Candidly, I always thought Derek Jeter looked gorgeous up close.)

* * *

John Schneider has yet to be ejected from any game. †Tsk tsk.

The Blue Jays look ready for Beach Blanket Bingo (1965) in that group photo. †The surfer scene is definitely cool, except it's borderline to hippies.

greenfrog - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 10:51 AM EDT (#419769) #
Some Jays hitters against Bieber:

Bichette 0/3
Teoscar 1/9 including 1 double
Vladdy 1/5 with a walk
Chapman 2/5 with 2 doubles
Espinal 1/2 with a walk
Gurriel Jr. 1/6 with a walk and a HBP
JBJ 1/8 including a HR and a walk
Kirk 1/1 with a walk
Jansen 0/3

Naturally, Raimel is hitting 1.000 against him (2/2 with 3 RBI). Bring on the scorn.
bpoz - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 11:01 AM EDT (#419770) #
Looking at the league standings Houston is in top spot in the AL. For 2023 I only see KC and Oakland trying not to contend but continue their rebuild.

The NL has 7 teams that probably will not contend in 2023 and continue rebuilding.

Minnesota is a rags to riches team from 2021 to 2022. So any of my 9 non contenders in 2023 can surprise.

I believe that this window will last to 2030 but with a lot of player turnover. The pen should never be a problem like last years disaster and this year needing a few reinforcements.

The rotation ideally needs 8. But Berrios/Kikuchi have underperformed with starts being taken away from Kikuchi and not Berrios. The rotation will always be unstable IMO. Verlander last year and Severino for a few years.

Some teams like NYM will be very aggressive in obtaining good talent in the off season.

Verlander is interesting. By pitching 130 innings his 2023 option kicks in. I don't know if he can decline and become a FA. I expect the Jays to try hard for him if he is a FA. He is the only big FA I see the Jays trying for. They Jays will try for lower level FAs IMO like Kikuchi/Matz.
lexomatic - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 11:17 AM EDT (#419771) #
<br>Anyone else see the graphic on the telecast showing Chapman with the best OPS in the last month in MLB other than Judge?


Chapman has been on fire since June ish? Definitely since July 1. Inpisted stuff a few series ago.
So glad that worked out, because it was looking like his offe se was done being a difference maker. Hope this is time and distance from his injury
lexomatic - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 11:28 AM EDT (#419772) #
<br>site is eating my posts again. 10 in a row
lexomatic - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#419773) #
<br>worried about berrios not retping my comment can't reply. 20 times just switched to html and post gone
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#419774) #
Hope this is time and distance from his injury

Chapman's also not playing 81 games a year in the Oakland Coliseum, and he's moved into a home field that I've always believed was practically designed for the type of hitter he is.

So what are his career numbers at the Dome, anyway?

    Split          G  PA   AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  SB  CS  BB  SO  BAVG   OBP   SLG   OPS    
TOR-Rogers Ctr    68 261  225  42  59  12   0  20   46   0   0  30  66  .262  .356  .582  .939
Well, that's not too shabby.
92-93 - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 11:34 AM EDT (#419775) #
The graphic was subtly showing how much better Chapman has been during Guerrero's 22 game hit streak:

Guerrero .374/.424/.582 17r 3hr 12rbi
Chapman .333/.425/.733 17r 9hr 18rbi
vw_fan17 - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 12:41 PM EDT (#419778) #
Bottom line, heís had the least effective 4 seamer in MLB since 2020
You just know Cleveland knew about this when they traded him to us..
John Northey - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 01:07 PM EDT (#419779) #
For the starters - how many chances to win did they give, and how many 'oh god no' starts did they have? Chance to win is 5+ innings, no more than 5 runs allowed. 'oh god no' is failing at both (5+ runs in under 5 innings). Doing one of those 2 things is 'meh'.
  • Manoah: All chances to win (worst was 5 2/3 allowing 5 runs)
  • Gausman: 17 chances to win, 1 meh (2 IP, 0 R July 2nd hit by a ball in the ankle and pulled), 3 ogn.
  • Berrios: 16 chances to win, 1 meh (really an OGN as he got only 1 out, 4 runs allowed), 6 ogn's.
  • Stripling: 7 CTW, 8 meh, 0 OGN's.
  • Kikuchi: 8 CTW (7 really good, 5+ with 2 or fewer allowed), 10 meh, 1 OGN (all but two starts he was pulled before allowing 5 runs - one went 5 innings, the other 2 IP).
  • Ryu: 2 CTW, 2 meh, 2 OGN
  • Castillo: 2 meh (still in minors for KC 3 2/3 IP in AAA allowing 5 runs)
  • White: 2 meh (sub 5 IP but 3 and 1 runs allowed in those starts)
  • Banda: 1 meh (1 out, 2 runs, very quick hook)
  • Hatch: 1 OGN (4 2/3 IP 10 R)
So a net of 50 chances to win, 27 meh, and 13 oh god no games. Berrios and Gausman both are either really good or really bad, but Gausman's bad only happened 3 times, Berrios 6 times. Stripling and Kikuchi both were a LOT better by this than I expected. If you told me Kikuchi had 8 competitive starts I'd have said 'no way' but he did - he is the anti-Berrios though, either really good or really meh (low innings) - he plays with fire but doesn't get as burnt as one would think or feel at the time. Stripling is pretty much what everyone wants in a starter - gets 4-6 innings everytime and doesn't get blown out. The rest add up to 2 CTW-7 meh-3 OGN - basically you don't want them starting or if you do you have someone ready to come in quickly (just like with Kikuchi).
Petey Baseball - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 02:01 PM EDT (#419780) #
I don't have the numbers in front of me but it seems the Jays have had some tough batted ball luck the last week or so.
92-93 - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 02:08 PM EDT (#419781) #
Tapia has looked terrible in CF this weekend.
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#419782) #
Tapia has looked terrible in CF this weekend.

"This weekend" is yesterday and the first two innings today. Yesterday he had three plays to make, two of them rather difficult, and he made them all. I suppose he could have looked better while he was doing so.
92-93 - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#419783) #
Those plays were not difficult at all.
Mike Green - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 02:46 PM EDT (#419784) #
An epidemic of poor throwing from both Jansen and Kirk.  I don't know what's up.

And that was poor fielding from Biggio; he coasted thinking that it was an easy one.  Tapia has actually been one of the better ones on the club in this series; my shaming is done and I am happy to pass the baton. 
92-93 - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#419785) #
That missed catch from Biggio was a much more difficult play than the routine flyball Tapia turned into a TV-dive yesterday.
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#419786) #
Those plays were not difficult at all.

Oh, come on. The ball hit right at you but over your head is a tricky play, always. And any ball where you have to dive and make a backhand catch is the opposite of routine. I don't think he's a good centre fielder either, but our opinions of his ability don't change the fact that he had a good day out there yesterday.
electric carrot - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#419787) #
I'm with Magpie on this. Maybe it was from my early days of watching Lloyd Moseby in centerfield (who seemed to nearly always fumble the balls over his head.) But the one that Tapia caught near the wall looked tricky to me in that context and I was relieved he caught it even though he turned the wrong way initially.
Mike Green - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 02:58 PM EDT (#419788) #
I don't think he's a good centerfielder either.  Just an average one.  Which is what the metrics for his career say.  He throws poorly.  His instincts are poor, but once he gets going, he's very fast and he can catch it once he gets there. 
92-93 - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 02:59 PM EDT (#419789) #
Bad outfielders turn routine plays into ones they need to dive for. Even Springer has had a bunch of great diving catches this year that a better CF runs down without leaving his feet.
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#419790) #
It's a routine play for Zimmer, certainly. He's faster than Tapia, and the glove's on his left hand.
92-93 - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#419791) #
What a sloppy defensive showing today. It would be nice if the bats decided to wake up.
Nigel - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:09 PM EDT (#419792) #
I donít even think Tapia gets to average in CF but he isnít the problem. This team is playing bad baseball and has more often than not for a while now.
uglyone - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:11 PM EDT (#419794) #
It's not sloppy defense - it's a deliberate choice to field maybe the worst possible defensive lineup.

As a bonus, it's also one of the worst offensive lineups for us too.
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#419795) #
What a sloppy defensive showing today.

My gosh, yes. Tapia got beat by the turf, Espinal may not have a shortstop's arm (at least not today), Merrifield may not be a second baseman, Biggio isn't an outfielder, and Kirk hasn't been much of a catcher.
Mike Green - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#419797) #
Yep.  It has been sloppy.  Espinal does have a shortstop's arm, indeed considerably better than Bichette's.  We've seen that enough times. 
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:17 PM EDT (#419798) #
it's a deliberate choice to field maybe the worst possible defensive lineup.

If you've decided both Bichette and Hernandez need a rest - and why wouldn't you stagger the off days, unless there's some other reason - wouldn't you be better off with Biggio at second and Merrifield in the outfield?

No comprende. It's a riddle
Nigel - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#419799) #
Neither JBJ nor Zimmer is in the lineup. This isnít close to the worst offensive lineup that they could field.

This front office has chosen roster flexibility as one of its guiding principles. Iím not so sure of its benefits. Flexibility is like charm, it often masks underlying problems. In this case, the players bringing roster flexibility may just not be that good. For example, Iím waiting to see what Merrifield offers other than flexibility.
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:31 PM EDT (#419800) #
The appeal of flexibility is obvious, in the era of the four man bench. It's practically required. Oddly enough, the Jays are the one team that doesn't need it quite as much, because one of their "bench" players - the number two catcher - doubles as their first choice at DH. This allows redundant luxuries as the two Bradleys.
Mike Green - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:31 PM EDT (#419801) #
Merrifield's medium-range pop hasn't been visible at all.  You'd think that he would be able to pull the ball more and hit some balls out to LF.  Maybe it's an adaptation issue. 
Mike Green - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:33 PM EDT (#419802) #
That Biggio play was harder than the ones he missed (by far). 
92-93 - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:37 PM EDT (#419803) #
Is there a way for plebs to pull up the statcast catch expectancy?
Nigel - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#419805) #
The surface level appeal of flexibility is obvious. But, one of the primary complaints about Tellez was that the roster was just so darn inflexible when he was on it (with other 1B options ahead of him). I guess I donít buy that flexibility should always trump a player with a definable benefit/skill. I just donít buy that this team needs all three of Espinal, Biggio and Merrifield (for example). Anyway, that isnít the root problem right now.
uglyone - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#419806) #
"This isnít close to the worst offensive lineup that they could field."

That's a scary true statement.
uglyone - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#419807) #
"If you've decided both Bichette and Hernandez need a rest - and why wouldn't you stagger the off days,"

They all just had a 2 day break!
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:51 PM EDT (#419808) #
Oh, by the middle of August everybody needs a day off every day, and then another, and then another. I just think you spread them around.
Mike Green - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#419809) #
With Springer out, Kirk catching and Jansen struggling with the bat, they don't really have the extra bat as a DH.  Having Hernandez as a DH doesn't really displace anyone. 

I wouldn't do it though because Hernandez actually could use the work after those unwise decisions to rest him in favour of Tapia in RF.
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#419810) #
Hernandez actually could use the work after those unwise decisions to rest him in favour of Tapia in RF.

You're really upset about that one game Tapia's played in RF in the last six weeks!

Can't really blame you - if Tapia's a major league right fielder, so am I. But coming into today, Teoscar had been in RF for 35 of the last 37 games (one each for Tapia and Biggio.)
uglyone - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#419811) #
Nota bene - the jays would almost assuredly never have let their SP pitch to vladdy on 95 pitches the 3rd time through the order.
uglyone - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:05 PM EDT (#419812) #
4th time thru the order! My bad.
Mike Green - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:06 PM EDT (#419813) #
They posted Vladdy's record with runners in scoring position and two out this year.  It wasn't pretty.  So, I wondered how he had done in high leverage situations in his career. Answer: well- .307/.415/.504 with a positive W/K, courtesy of 12 IBBs in 318 PAs.
92-93 - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:06 PM EDT (#419814) #
The 4th time through the order! It was a great move, Bieber had Guerrero's number all day.
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:08 PM EDT (#419815) #
Fourth time up for Vlad, actually. Terry Francona is old school. Well, he's an old guy.

Jays starters have faced a batter for the fourth time in a game exactly 11 times this season. You want to know, right? Ok - 4-9 with a 2b, a BB, and a sac fly.
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#419816) #
The Jays kind of need to do something right now. Is there a better closer in the league than Clase?
Chuck - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#419817) #
Odd strategy to avoid Clase.
uglyone - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#419818) #
Good news - none of our RP now "need work" next series so if our SP is pitching well we don't have to yank him on 85 pitches.
uglyone - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#419819) #
Trent Thornton is still a blue jay and gonna pitch 50ip for us this year 4 years after we got him. pretty amazing.
mathesond - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#419820) #
I guess Clase must need work.
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:31 PM EDT (#419821) #
Odd strategy to avoid Clase.

If he'd just given a homer to the first man he faced, it might have worked. But Clase hasn't pitched since Wednesday.

He needs the work.
BlueJayWay - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#419822) #
The offence doesn't look the same without a healthy Springer.
Pray for his elbow.
scottt - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:47 PM EDT (#419823) #
I guess Vlad's streak is over?
Nigel - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#419824) #
Iíll never understand what Thornton is doing on the roster generally but choosing him over Gage was hard to fathom.
92-93 - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#419825) #
Hatch will be on 4 days rest, he should take Thornton's spot for Kikuchi's start tomorrow.
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 05:43 PM EDT (#419826) #
Hatch without a multiple inning reliever in the building? I dunno...

Fret not. Thornton goes down on Wednesday.
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 06:58 PM EDT (#419827) #
Ken Giles passed through waivers, declined a minor league assignment, and is now a free agent.

I'm still not interested, but some might be.
John Northey - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#419828) #
Ugly game, but on defense what did we expect with so many playing out of position? Tapia in CF, Biggio in RF guarantees any ball to the outfield was going to be an adventure. Espinal at SS is normally OK but he has played so little there it wasn't likely to be as pretty as one would hope (he did make that excellent play at 2B to get Ramirez oversliding). Merryfield has spent a lot of time in CF so some rust was likely at 2B. If they were going to put Biggio in RF they should've put Zimmer or JBJ in CF to 'make up' for it. Poor Gausman must be wondering what he did to the manager to make him be so cruel.

Trent Thornton is who he is - the 8th man in a bullpen. A guy you use when the game is out of reach or you need someone to eat a few innings. Yet somehow he has had just 1 game in August where he threw more than 1 inning (2 innings that day). Sigh. Lets hope we get the good Kikuchi tomorrow (the one who 7 times has gone 5+ IP) and not the ugly one who can't get through the order twice.
Mike Green - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#419829) #
Kikuchi starting tomorrow is a classic Wrong Place, Wrong Time situation; the bullpen needs 5-6 innings.  Hatch for Thornton and opening for Kikuchi tomorrow is the P-K4 move. Hatch can slide into the long relief role afterwards until Thornton can be reactivated for another stint. 

Off-field stuff has a way of affecting on-field performance.  Reese McGuire's situation a couple of years ago is one example.  Bo Bichette and Pete Walker might be examples from 2022.  It's not about casting any kind of blame, but just an acknowledgment that it isn't realistic to expect the average person to compartmentalize perfectly well.  
dalimon5 - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 08:03 PM EDT (#419830) #
Once again Iíll remind that Vlad and Bo have been bringing this team down with their performance when it counts, unlike most superstars on other teams who have or will be signing huge contracts.

Today was the worse managed game of Schneiderís major league career. I think he took Gausmanís last few starts for granted and assumed the Guardians would have a hard time mustering you runs, so why not play Biggio and Tapia in the outfield with JBJ on the bench. Did he somehow forget the opposing pitcher was Shane Bieber???
92-93 - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#419831) #
They could've had Soto if they were willing to part with Bichette and a few prospects.
uglyone - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#419832) #
This is all very reminiscent of 2014.
Nigel - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#419833) #
Reminiscent of 2014? Hey now, thereís no call for that kind of language around here. Where are the moderators?:)
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#419834) #
This is all very reminiscent of 2014.

Have you been reading my mind? I just finished writing up tomorrow's Game Thread, and now you're scaring the crap out of me. Get out of my head.

They could've had Soto if they were willing to part with Bichette and a few prospects.

I don't think you actually know that, but it's fun to say. The Nationals do have a 22 year old shortstop having a better year than Bichette, so one can see why they'd be keen.

And while I'm here, how are Guerrero and Bichette hitting in High Leverage situations? Let's find out.

Split          G  PA  AB   R   H 2B 3B  HR RBI SB  CS  BB  SO  BAVG   OBP   SLG    OPS  
High Lvrge    56  76  57 23  20  2  0   3  18  3   0  15  10  .351  .500  .544  1.044   
High Lvrge    60  84  79  27  21  4  0   7  32  2   1   3  19  .266  .286  .582   .868  

Top line is Guerrero and it looks as if the opposition doesn't much like pitching to him in those situations. Can't really blame them.
dalimon5 - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 09:56 PM EDT (#419835) #
Those are awful numbers for Bichette. Good for Vlad.
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 10:26 PM EDT (#419836) #
One doesn't often hear an .868 OPS (and especially, .582 slugging) described as awful, but you can set the bar wherever you like.
ISLAND BOY - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 10:27 PM EDT (#419837) #
Somehow I found today's loss one of the most dispiriting of the season. In all of the recent series with teams close to the Jays in the standings - Cleveland, Baltimore, Tampa, Minnesota and even back as far as the sweep at the hands of the Mariners, the Jays have looked like the lesser team. I now wonder if they're actually going to make the playoffs, let alone do well in them.
dalimon5 - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 10:58 PM EDT (#419838) #
Mags,

Using the numbers you posted itís clear that Bichette strikes out a quarter of the time. That is awful for a player many speak about as being one of the best SS in the game and someone who will command $25 million or more a year and 10 years.

More to the point - where you got your numbers, how does that system define ďhigh leverage?Ē Is it based on situational hitting or the opponent? Example, facing a meh pitcher in the 7th of a tie game against a bad team or facing a closer in the 8th or 9th with elite stuff?

My criticism of Vlad and Bo is their ability to hit really good pitchers. When it comes time to face top pitchers they seem to be very easy to manhandle and pick apart, unlike Springer and Gurriel. I just donít see how these guys can bat top 5 in the line up and come up with big hits against the other teams best pitchers. Perhaps it is something they will learn to do.
John Northey - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 11:00 PM EDT (#419839) #
2014? Ooookay. August 14th 2014 - Jays were 63-59 7 1/2 behind Baltimore for 1st, 7th in the AL, 8 1/2 behind the Angels for top WC, 3 behind Seattle for the 2nd. Jays were 20-20 after that. Jays finished 83-79, 5 behind the A's for the last wild card. Under today's rules with 3 WC's they would've been 4 back of Seattle instead.

Instead today the Jays (as of this moment) are 61-52, 10 back of the Yankees for 1st, sitting in first for the 3 wild cards (1/2 a game up on Seattle, 1 up on Tampa Bay, 2 1/2 on Baltimore who is outside looking in right now). I'd say the 2022 Jays are in FAR, FAR better shape than the 2014 team at the same point. The Jays have more games left due to the mess at the start of the season, 49 vs 40, but I doubt they'll go 25-24 from here on out, but it is possible. It also is possible that would get them in anyways (86 wins) although I suspect a record of 29-20 going forward is needed to make it (90 wins). Remove 20 runs from that crazy 28 run game and the Jays still would have a better run differential than anyone in the WC race (including Cleveland who leads the AL Central).

This is a very good team going through a slump. Once Springer, Mayza, Stripling come back things will look better (gets rid of JBJ or Zimmer, Thornton, and I'm not certain for a 2nd pitcher, maybe send Pop down for a week or two until rosters expand although I'd prefer to dump Richards or send Kikuchi down). If Merryweather comes all the way back that too will create an interesting situation (3 rehab games so far, 3 IP 0 H 1 BB 6 SO just faced the minimum 9 batters) although I suspect he'd be left down until rosters expand to 28 (1 pitcher added and 1 hitter as I understand it - I miss the old 40 man limit).
Magpie - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 11:35 PM EDT (#419840) #
itís clear that Bichette strikes out a quarter of the time.

So does Matt Chapman. So does Teoscar Hernandez. Geez, so does Aaron Judge. All of them more frequently than Bichette, actually, but it's not a big deal. That's simply how hitting works in the year 2022.

From the bb-ref explanation:

We attempt to quantify these plays with a stat called leverage index (LI). LI looks at the possible changes in win probability in a given situation; situations where dramatic swings in win probability are possible (e.g. runner on second late in a tie game) have higher LIs than situations where there can be no large change in win probability (e.g. late innings of a 12-run blowout).

The stat is normalized so that on average the leverage is 1.00. In tense situations, the leverage is higher than 1.00 (up to about 10) and in low-tension situations, the leverage is between 0 and 1.0.
uglyone - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 11:41 PM EDT (#419841) #
whats most worrying is that its not really even trying to blame any underperformers, because truth is we've had lots and lots of guys playing near best-case scenarios - Gausman, Manoah, Stripling, Kirk, Chapman, Gurriel, Espinal, Biggio, Tapia, and a good share of the RP - that it's hard to get upset that some guys are underperforming too.
John Northey - Sunday, August 14 2022 @ 11:48 PM EDT (#419842) #
Top 10 WAR guys this year who K 25%+ of the time...
Judge, Dansby Swanson (Atlanta)

Byron Buxton is #23 in WAR but K's 30.9% (!).

For the Jays Chapman is at 27.2% but is #1 in fWAR (3.0), Hernandez is tied for 4th on the team in WAR with his 26.6% rate (2.4 fWAR with Springer who is at 18.7% over 29 more PA)

Of course, the best K% for Jays with 100+ PA is Kirk at 10.4%. Worst is Cavan Biggio at 27.3%. Only 3 Jays have 100+ PA with a sub 100 wRC+ - Tapia (18.1% K), Jansen (16.3%), and Espinal (15.5%, 2nd best K rate but lowest wRC+ outside of Tapia among semi-regulars/regulars).
dalimon5 - Monday, August 15 2022 @ 09:11 AM EDT (#419845) #
Good pitchers in the playoffs are not going to throw you strikes if you swing at balls. Itís as simple as that. I canít accept Bo or Vlad swinging at balls as much as they do.
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