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Do I really want to talk about the Tampa Bay Rays? Especially when the Jays probably have to play them again in a couple of days?


No I don't. Let's talk about the offensive production of the various AL teams. Let's look at multiple columns of densely packed numbers, many of them running to multiple decimal points. We're baseball fans! This is what we do!

It's Data Table Time! This is through Thursday's games:

HITTING      PA    AB    R    H    2B   3B   HR  RBI  SB  CS  BB   SO   BAVG   OBP   SLG    OPS
                                                                   
Houston    3130  2789  451  750  138  10  128  441  53  20  270  630  .269  .340  .463    .803
Baltimore    3212  2877  445  745  172  14   97  431  59  13  277  735  .259  .326  .430    .756
Tampa Bay    3059  2749  418  722  130  11  118  403  69  22  243  680  .263  .329  .447    .776
Texas    3066  2733  390  702  156  12   88  369  40  10  279  687  .257  .329  .419    .748
Toronto    3202  2875  404  757  152  11  103  378  45  18  275  669  .263  .334  .431    .766
Seattle    3214  2844  401  707  147   7  117  386  71  18  288  824  .249  .328  .429    .756
Minnesota    3058  2710  363  639  113   8  108  347  46   8  284  806  .236  .317  .403    .720
Los Angeles  3161  2819  375  718  131  12  107  363  30  21  259  756  .255  .325  .424    .748
Boston    2960  2671  353  642  152   5   91  342  50  13  232  700  .240  .307  .403    .710
Cleveland    3015  2734  346  687  137  14   67  325  74  13  226  560  .251  .312  .385    .697
New York    2932  2604  333  595  107   8   95  317  47  12  276  725  .229  .307  .385    .692
Chicago    3028  2789  333  658  137   9   88  321  52   9  189  730  .236  .290  .386    .676
Detroit    3060  2769  330  635  123  14   87  319  48  16  247  751  .229  .296  .378    .674
Oakland    2886  2582  302  599  113   7   89  289  64  13  228  707  .232  .304  .385    .689
Kansas City  2891  2647  283  600  122  21   74  271  84  25  182  774  .227  .283  .373    .655

I would have ranked the teams by Runs Scored, seeing as how that's why teams send players up to hit in the first place. But not everyone has played the same number of games, so I did an off-camera calculation of the runs scored per game and.... wait a gosh darn minute! How are the Blue Jays in fifth place?  Those aren't the Blue Jays we've been watching all year! What is this sorcery?  What have you done? What are you leaving out?

I'm leaving out everybody's home games, naturally. It turns out that when you get everyone on neutral ground, the Blue Jays offense isn't chopped liver after all. Even with all the double plays, and the issues with runners in scoring positions, it's one of the league's better offenses. They're in a tight little knot with Seattle and Texas, not as potent as the league's three offensive powerhouses - Houston, Baltimore, Tampa Bay - but right behind them.

But then everybody goes home, and the story changes. Considerably.

HITTING        PA    AB   R    H    2B  3B   HR  RBI  SB  CS  BB   SO   BAVG   OBP   SLG    OPS
                                                                   
Texas    3096  2737  483  749  168   5  143  468  39   9  303  683  .274  .349  .495   .844
Tampa Bay    2975  2644  419  673  142  13  107  402  89  19  261  716  .255  .332  .440   .771
Boston    3068  2756  408  769  184  13   90  384  53  12  244  630  .279  .344  .453   .797
Minnesota    2988  2632  391  658  146  15  118  377  40  10  289  808  .250  .333  .451   .784
Kansas City  2910  2611  371  677  130  21   82  358  75  19  219  578  .259  .322  .419   .741
Baltimore    2786  2502  354  638  132  14   85  342  53  11  227  598  .255  .320  .421   .741
Houston    3016  2678  365  668  137  10   92  349  52  12  274  584  .249  .325  .411   .736
Los Angeles  2875  2576  349  606  114  14  119  333  41  10  248  746  .235  .308  .429   .737
Seattle    2851  2531  344  600  133   5   88  329  46  12  251  743  .237  .317  .398   .715
Toronto    2847  2534  312  618  131   6   77  301  52  16  261  600  .244  .319  .392   .711
New York     2891  2581  328  578  106   6  123  321  51  18  271  662  .224  .301  .413   .714
Detroit    2825  2542  298  609  113  10   71  283  33   7  236  690  .240  .309  .376   .684
Chicago    2806  2578  301  626  125   4   78  289  33  13  178  651  .243  .296  .385   .681
Cleveland    2965  2674  307  666  151  15   54  289  72  22  235  559  .249  .315  .377   .692
Oakland    2935  2600  270  562  109  14   78  262  83  18  256  755  .216  .294  .359   .653

Scoring 4.99 runs per game on the road and just 4.05 at home? That's one large Home-Road split.

It's not just the Jays, of course. Baltimore loses almost the same amount of offense at Camden Yards (5.49 to 4.60), and we're all quite familiar with how the changes at Camden Yards have made that a much tougher home run park these last few years. And no team's hitting seems to suffer more than the Astros when they play at Enron Memorial - their Runs/Game practically plummets, from  5.78 per game to 4.51.  Which is still pretty decent.

It's Texas and Kansas City (!) who've been getting the huge boost from their home parks, at least in 2023.

Well, these are likely just Park Effect, right? We know about Park Effects. So maybe the newly renovated Rogers Centre actually suppresses offense, or at least it has in 2023. Good to know. 

And when we look at the pitching, we'll surely find that the Jays have reduced the opposition's scoring to a similar degree. We'll probably find that the pitching staffs in Houston and Baltimore are doing likewise. After all - if the home field suppresses offense, the team should be allowing fewer runs as well. That's just logic, which was allegedly invented by the Greeks thousands of years ago.

Ah, if only life were so simple! For one thing, a single season's games (or two seasons, in the case of Camden Yards) give us much too small a sample to provide a reliable sense of a ballpark's impact on scoring. I can say with confidence that the original Yankee Stadium of Ruth, DiMaggio, and Mantle was one of the toughest places to score runs in the history of the game. There's 50 years and almost 4,000 games that say so. But in just 81 games, weird things can happen. And probably have.

 So let's see how the various AL teams have done at preventing the opposition from scoring in neutral parks

PITCHING        W    L    ERA      IP       H    R    ER   HR   BB   SO   BAVG   OBP   SLG   OPS
                                                           
Tampa Bay    44   34    3.86    678    605   310  291   78  218  677   .236  .302  .381  .684
Minnesota    38   40    3.91    679    611   312  295   92  207  724   .238  .302  .396  .697
Houston    48   30    3.74    683.1   592   315  284   99  263  672   .234  .310  .404  .714
Detroit    41   40    4.00    701.1   642   335  312   88  220  684   .241  .304  .395  .698
New York    39   38    3.91    667.2   568   320  290   78  255  657   .227  .306  .380  .686
Texas    39   38    4.04    668.2   616   320  300   80  230  610   .245  .313  .391  .703
Toronto    46   35    3.90    706.2   687   341  306   99  219  736   .252  .312  .415  .728
Baltimore    52   29    3.98    718.2   652   346  318   91  246  732   .240  .311  .404  .715
Seattle    43   38    4.07    705.1   687   346  319   91  197  658   .253  .309  .415  .724
Cleveland    33   45    4.25    675    656   345  319   96  252  591   .253  .323  .419  .742
Boston    37   40    4.43    666    644   354  328  108  213  668   .251  .317  .436  .753
Chicago    30   51    5.06    689.2   669   415  388  106  321  678   .252  .340  .439  .779
Los Angeles    35   46    4.83    692.2   681   417  372  106  322  671   .254  .341  .439  .780
Kansas City    23   56    5.32    658    660   413  389  105  241  591   .261  .329  .444  .773
Oakland    22   55    6.22    642.2   718   466  444  111  331  583   .282  .372  .489  .861
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And here's what happens when they go home

PITCHING        W    L    ERA      IP      H     R   ER    HR   BB   SO   BAVG   OBP   SLG   OPS
                                                           
Seattle    42   35    3.50    708    595   305  275   91  207  755   .225  .286  .377  .663
Toronto    41   36    3.60    708    595   307  283   94  258  755   .227  .302  .386  .688
Tampa Bay    53   28    3.80    737    618   331  311   94  209  806   .223  .284  .384  .668
Cleveland    42   39    3.67    744    665   334  303   74  268  705   .238  .308  .378  .686
Minnesota    47   33    3.83    735    651   330  313   93  224  785   .235  .298  .398  .696
Baltimore    47   30    3.95    699    656   321  307   85  217  657   .247  .307  .392  .699
New York    42   39    3.92    739    654   353  322  108  243  747   .235  .305  .400  .705
Houston    39   42    4.25    735    705   381  347  102  261  770   .251  .322  .419  .741
Texas    50   31    4.54    734    689   383  370  113  252  705   .248  .315  .423  .738
Boston    39   42    4.73    730    756   414  384   99  276  718   .265  .337  .440  .777
Los Angeles    36   42    4.49    712    691   401  355  100  303  752   .252  .334  .408  .742
Detroit    33   43    4.63    696    642   393  358   95  244  648   .242  .309  .407  .716
Kansas City    31   47    5.00    708    724   419  393   97  292  635   .264  .341  .440  .781
Chicago    30   47    4.83    704    675   414  378  108  313  755   .249  .335  .416  .751
Oakland    26   55    4.92    743    720   442  406   97  346  688   .254  .340  .424  .764

On the one hand, the Jays run prevention certainly does improve at the Rogers Centre - seventh best in the league is kind of middle of the pack, but second best is pretty good. And yet... while 3.99 runs per game is certainly better than 4.21, it obviously doesn't match the impact the home field appears to have on the team's hitters. Something is out of kilter. Gone askew on the treadle, perhaps. 

And because it's just one season and the sample is so very small, there are even stranger things than the 2023 Blue Jays to contemplate. You remember how no team loses more scoring when they go home than the Houston Astros, who score 5.78 runs per game on the road but just 4.51 runs at home? The Astros pitchers have not had that type of success in keeping the other team from scoring - Houston gives up quite a few more runs at home (4.70) than they do on the road (4.04), which makes no sense whatsoever. 

Similarly, Detroit's hitters have done just a little bit better on the road. Their pitchers, however, have been much more effective when they get away from Comerica, where they have generally been beaten senseless. Only Kansas City and Oakland give up more runs at home. Just as no team's offense has a bigger Home/Road split than the Astros, no team's defense has a bigger split than the Tigers.

If it can't be explained by a Park Effect having a clear and obvious impact on both sides of the ball, we'd better get into the weeds and look at the individuals. So let's begin with the pitching this time, the better to see that for most of them it hasn't made very much difference whether they're at home or not:

                W    L    ERA     IP       H     R    ER   HR    BB   SO    BAVG    OBP    SLG     OPS
                                                            
Mayza     2    1    1.24    29     27     5     4    1    8    28    .252   .304   .327    .631
Romano     3    4    3.30    30     26    12    11    2   12    39    .230   .315   .327    .642
Swanson   1    1    2.84    31.2    29    10    10    4    8    36    .244   .291   .387    .678
Gausman     7    5    3.27    85.1    79    35    31    9   23   106    .239   .290   .393    .683
Manoah     3    4    4.33    52     45    29    25    6   26    48    .227   .329   .369    .698
Ryu     1    1    3.47    23.1    20    11     9    5    8    19    .222   .293   .411    .704
Berrios     5    6    3.97    99.2    91    46    44   13   29    91    .243   .306   .404    .709
Richards     1    1    6.12    32.1    30    23    22    6   18    45    .238   .336   .429    .764
Kikuchi     5    3    3.77    88.1    98    41    37   13   21    94    .281   .325   .444    .769
Garcia     3    1    5.63    32     40    22    20    5    5    37    .301   .345   .474    .819
Bassitt     8    4    4.50    90     100    53    45   19   26    81    .277   .327   .507    .834
Pearson     3    2    7.64    17.2    23    16    15    3    7    17    .311   .369   .487    .856

And here's what's happened at Dome Sweet Dome.

                W    L    ERA     IP       H     R    ER   HR   BB    SO    BAVG    OBP    SLG    OPS
                                                            
Bassitt      7    4    3.08   102.1    71    35    35    9   32    93    .197   .279   .314    .593
Swanson      3    1    3.27    33     21    12    12    4   12    38    .184   .262   .333    .595
Pearson     2    0    2.88    25     13     9     8    4   11    26    .153   .265   .341    .607
Mayza     1    0    1.61    22.1    20     4     4    0    7    22    .241   .297   .313    .610
Garcia      0    3    2.84    31.2    27    13    10    3   10    40    .231   .300   .350    .650
Romano      2    3    2.57    28     21     8     8    4   12    33    .204   .287   .369    .656
Gausman     5    4    3.07    99.2    84    37    34   10   32   131    .228   .292   .366    .658
Berrios     6    6    3.30    90     82    36    33   12   23    93    .239   .294   .391    .685
Kikuchi      5    3    3.87    74.1    62    34    32   13   25    83    .222   .291   .394    .685
Richards      1    0    3.58    37.2    30    15    15    6   16    58    .216   .299   .396    .695
Ryu   2    2    3.16    25.2    26    12     9    4    6    18    .260   .299   .460    .759
Manoah      0    5    8.15    35.1    48    32    32    9   33    31    .324   .460   .581   1.041

The relievers have generally worked so few innings that one lousy game can have a pretty big impact. Richards, Garcia, and Pearson all have much better numbers at home, but I wouldn't want to read too much into it. And that impact is pretty much cancelled out by the work of Alek Manoah, who was mediocre on the road but fifty shades of awful at home. It's the four men who have been in the rotation all season - Gausman, Berrios, Bassitt, and Kikuchi - that I would prefer to focus on. And three of them - Gausman, Berrios, Kikuchi - have hardly any Home/Road split at all. Chris Bassitt is the exception - it seems that he absolutely loves pitching in the Rogers Centre. (As all these numbers are through Wednesday's games, it doesn't even include his work against the Yankees last night (which left him with a home record of  8-4, 2.86). The difference between Bassitt's home and road performance, by itself, pretty much accounts for the difference in the Jays pitching splits.

So we really need to look at the hitters. In neutral parks, this is what happens:

               G     PA    AB    R    H   2B  3B   HR   RBI  SB  CS   BB   SO    BAVG    OBP    SLG    OPS
                                                                        
Schneider     16     68   54   10   15    3   1    4    11   0   0   11   21    .278   .427   .593   1.019
Belt     48    198   166   29   41   10   0   11    26   0   0   31   72    .247   .364   .506    .870
Bichette     66    302   289   41   94   15   2   11    39   3   2   11   60    .325   .354   .505    .860
Guerrero     77    346   308   39   89   15   0   16    48   2   1   30   44    .289   .364   .494    .858
Chapman      74    314   276   39   70   21   1    9    29   3   2   33   93    .254   .344   .435    .779
Kiermaier     68    220   206   33   59   12   2    5    23   6   1   12   36    .286   .327   .437    .764
Varsho      80    308   279   36   71   14   2   12    38  10   3   24   70    .255   .313   .448    .761
Merrifield    75    311   288   33   83   16   0    7    40  11   6   19   56    .288   .331   .417    .748
Springer     75    341   308   51   82   14   1   10    39   8   3   28   59    .266   .329   .416    .745
Jansen     47    159   145   18   31    9   0    9    27   0   0   10   38    .214   .283   .462    .745
Biggio     59    183   160   28   34    7   0    5    16   2   0   19   49    .213   .312   .350    .662
Espinal     44    109    97   14   22    6   0    1     9   0   0    9   19    .227   .306   .320    .625
Kirk     63    215   186   15   40    8   0    1    18   0   0   25   21    .215   .321   .274    .595

And then they come home.

               G     PA    AB   R    H    2B  3B   HR  RBI   SB  CS   BB   SO    BAVG    OBP    SLG    OPS
                                                                        
Schneider     17     67    57   11   15    7   0    4    9    1   0    9   20    .263   .373   .597   .970
Jansen     39    142   123   20   30    6   0    8    26   0   0   13   24    .244   .345   .488   .833
Belt     51    191   159   21   41   13   0    5    12   0   0   30   64    .258   .377   .434   .811
Kirk     57    193   172   17   48    8   0    6    22   0   0   17   24    .279   .347   .430   .777
Biggio     48    136   115   21   28    5   0    4    20   3   2   17   37    .244   .346   .391   .737
Bichette     65    280   265   23   73   13   0    9    32   1   1   14   52    .276   .311   .426   .737
Kiermaier     58    175   153   24   36    8   4    3    12   7   0   16   47    .235   .316   .399   .715
Springer     76    327   291   35   71    9   0   11    32  12   2   31   63    .244   .322   .388   .710
Guerrero      76    321   281   36   66   13   0   10    46   3   2   35   51    .235   .321   .388   .709
Chapman     63    254   221   25   49   18   1    6    23   1   0   28   70    .222   .315   .394   .709
Espinal      46    140   128   15   34    8   0    1    16   2   1    9   15    .266   .317   .352   .668
Merrifield    68    273   251   32   66   11   0    4    27  15   4   17   44    .263   .311   .355   .666
Varsho     74    255   231   26   41    9   1    6    18   6   4   20   61    .178   .252   .303   .555


Yeah, that's not great. Just four of the thirteen most used hitters have been better at home and none of them, alas, are full time players. It's the two catchers, Biggio and Espinal. Meanwhile five of the six players with the most Plate Appearances at the Dome - Guerrero, Bichette, Merrifield, Chapman, Varsho - are also, by unhappy coincidence the five players whose production has fallen off the most at home. Springer is the exception, although even he - along with Belt and Kiermaier - has been better away from home.

I can't explain it. I don't think it's a Park Effect (although it will be years before we can know for sure!) - I think it's mostly just One of Those Things that happens. But while Varsho has no history here beyond his abysmal performance hitting at home this season, the other four do. And Guerrero and Bichette have both hit better in road games than in Toronto over their careers. Chapman and Merrifield, both unlikely to be around past this season, have both hit better elsewhere as well.

Well, baseball tonight.

Fri 29 Sep - Civale ()7-4, 3.43  vs Kikuchi (10-6, 3.82)
Sat 30 Sep - Littell (3-6, 3.68) vs Ryu (3-3, 3.31)
Sun 1 Oct - Bradley (5-8, 5.52) vs Gausman (12-9, 3.16)

We are, of course, hoping Gausman won't be needed on Sunday. But until we know for sure...
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John Northey - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 06:59 PM EDT (#437908) #
Time for fun - just need 1 Jays win and 1 loss by either Houston or Seattle to clinch at any point this weekend. Just 2 out of 9 games need to go the Jays way (either the Jays win 2, Jays win 1 and one of those 2 lose a game, or one of those 2 teams lose 2 of 3 this weekend). Pretty simple really. C'mon Jays, lets see you guys do your part tonight.
bpoz - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 07:01 PM EDT (#437909) #
Thanks Magpie for all the work you put into these forecasts and analysis.

Personally I am superstitious. So with a clear mind I expect success.
greenfrog - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 07:10 PM EDT (#437912) #
Kikuchi! Great first inning.
99BlueJaysWay - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#437913) #
Nice first inning! Nice easy double play
greenfrog - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 07:56 PM EDT (#437914) #
Why was Civale pulled from the game?
Gerry - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 08:08 PM EDT (#437915) #
Getting him ready for the playoffs?
uglyone - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 08:10 PM EDT (#437916) #
Rays aren't exactly battling hard this game now that their playoff spot is decided. very quick at bats and sloppy fielding. Really no excuse not to clinch by tommorrow.
Leaside Cowboy - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 08:21 PM EDT (#437917) #
Wow!
uglyone - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 08:21 PM EDT (#437918) #
two hilarious errors by Margot, but more importantly if he really can't throw at all that's a weakness the jays have to exploit and exploit a lot in a playoffs series.
hypobole - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#437919) #
Despite all the talk of Bo forgot to mention he's replaced Aaron Hill on the BRef Jays all-time leaderboard.
greenfrog - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#437920) #
The big lead in tonight’s game could really help the Jays preserve their high-leverage bullpen arms for the postseason.
uglyone - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#437921) #
and if there's ever a game to let Kikuchi rack up an actual high pitch count for the first time all year, this would be it.
Eephus - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#437922) #
My ability to tune in just as we give up runs remains unmatched. It’s getting scary, folks!

If we clinch…. I’ll listen on the radio I swear.
uglyone - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 08:49 PM EDT (#437923) #
did he start tipping again? those balls were all crushed.
Nigel - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#437924) #
Biggio has been in the middle of a lot of important stuff in the past 6 weeks or so.
Chuck - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#437925) #
Erasmo, we need you to pitch some batting practise before we put you on waivers.
greenfrog - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#437926) #
Springer looks like he could use a day off.
99BlueJaysWay - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 09:24 PM EDT (#437927) #
Good to see the good Yimi! He was in complete control
Chuck - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 09:25 PM EDT (#437928) #
Davis should have plenty of chances this weekend to get off the Schneid.
Chuck - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 09:44 PM EDT (#437929) #
Nothing says "let's just get through this weekend" like Raimel Tapia. He's a human white flag.
Nigel - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#437930) #
I’m trying to decide if that mild cheer when Tapia stepped to the plate was ironic or not? More ironic is Buck’s comment that he didn’t remember that he got over 400 ABs last year. I remember. Every one:)
99BlueJaysWay - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#437931) #
Great crowd tonight! That was fun to watch.
uglyone - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#437932) #
Very nice.

Now please please please just wrap this up tommorrow and let us start the playoffs on the right foot.
soupman - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#437933) #
No pressure or he’s earning trust. Don’t fall for it a fourth time this year.
Chuck - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 09:58 PM EDT (#437934) #
More ironic is Buck’s comment that he didn’t remember that he got over 400 ABs last year.

Not "last year", but "back in 2022".

greenfrog - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#437935) #
Congratulations to Yusei Kikuchi on posting the best season of his career. Very impressive turnaround on his part.
uglyone - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 11:04 PM EDT (#437936) #
so it seems pretty clear now that Biggio/Merrifield and Belt/Schneider have settled into clear L/R platoons now, right?
John Northey - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 11:13 PM EDT (#437937) #
A nice thing, outside of the win of course, was seeing the fans cheer their loudest for Cam Eden going up for his first ML PA. If only that ball was an inch more fair he'd have had his first hit. Still I love when guys get that chance - a memory for life for him. Hard to imagine hearing 40k people cheering you on like that.
uglyone - Friday, September 29 2023 @ 11:46 PM EDT (#437938) #
don't think we're clinching tonight.
Leaside Cowboy - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 12:16 AM EDT (#437939) #
Saturday night is TBD for Texas and Luis Castillo for the Mariners.
SK in NJ - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 12:34 AM EDT (#437940) #
Saturday now becomes a must win, not only to clinch a spot but also to avoid having to use Gausman on Sunday. I’d have a very short leash on Ryu. That’s the game to use the entire pen if necessary. Whatever gets a win. Based on the pitching matchups, the Mariners have a real chance to sweep the Rangers.
StephenT - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 01:07 AM EDT (#437941) #
John, my understanding is that if the Mariners don't lose and the Jays don't win,
then the Jays need 2 Astros losses, not just 1 Astros loss to advance,
because with just 1 Astros loss there would be a 4-way tie at 73 losses,
and I've read the seeding would be SEA wins West, HOU gets WC2, and TEX gets WC3, with TOR out,
according to https://www.mlb.com/news/2023-mlb-postseason-three-team-and-four-team-tiebreaker-scenarios .
John Northey - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 01:20 AM EDT (#437942) #
So Astros win 2-1, Mariners win 8-0. Sad that the Rangers and Diamondbacks didn't do more in those games, but hopefully the Jays make it irrelevant.

Officially announced: Ryu vs Armstrong next. Ryu gets one last start as a Jay (unless he gets onto a round 2 or beyond roster, no way I see him being on the Wild Card roster). Armstrong is a pure opener - 3 IP was his peak, done once all year, 2 IP is his normal. In 5 starts he has thrown 11 innings, 0 R, 1 BB, 13 K's, 9 H. So a tough task for at least the first 2-3 innings. FYI: Armstrong in 2022 was used the same way, same peak of 3 IP (3 times, just 2 starts), 2018-2021 his peak was 2 IP - in the majors he has never thrown over 3 IP in a game. Most likely the last time he went more than 3 was in college in 2011 (44 1/3 IP over 19 games, 6 starts and maybe not even then). I suspect the Rays plan to use him in the playoffs, if I was them I'd shoot for games 1 and 3 if needed. He has pitched 1 IP day 1, day off, 2 IP next game (August) so I could see them doing that (net 3 IP over 2 games, 2 H, 0 BB 4 SO, 0 R). But given his rubber arm they might let him go the full 3 if he is effective (2 full days off before game 1 no matter what for him) however, I suspect they'll max him at 2 IP. No sane manager (and Cash is very sane) pushes a quality pitcher with 2 games left before the playoffs. I just hope the Jays are patient and make him work as much as possible, then get a bit lucky and score a run off this guy then beat up the pen. Fingers crossed.
John Northey - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 01:25 AM EDT (#437943) #
Yeah Stephen T - I didn't factor in the ugly massive tie. That would royally suck to have happen. So basically the Jays just need to win one of 2 games, or have the Mariners lose one of 2 games. So out of 4 games, just 1 has to go the Jays way now. Or the Astros have to flop out of the playoff picture by losing their last 2 to Arizona. All possible, but lets hope the Jays make this academic by winning Saturday, then resting a bit on Sunday.
Mike Green - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 07:56 AM EDT (#437944) #
I don't see today's game as a "must-win" situation.  It's obviously very desirable to do so, but if Gausman has to pitch on Sunday, it's not the end of the world.  The difference between Gausman and one of the other starters is less than 1/2 a run per game.  What I would try to avoid is having the relief staff throw 5-6 innings today and then be tired for Sunday's game should Gausman falter. 

What I would do is call up Francis.  If Ryu is pitching well and the game is close, he goes 5-6 innings depending on how much he has to work to get through those innings, and then you bring on the Hicks/Mayza/Swanson/Romano if the score warrants.  If Ryu is hit hard early, I would bring on Francis quite quickly, and let him throw 4-5 innings.  In that case, they would need another pitcher to start Sunday's game if a playoff spot is clinched, but that is a minor and easily resolved issue. 
Marc Hulet - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 08:10 AM EDT (#437945) #
I blame the announcers who kept saying how nice it would be for the Jays to be able to celebrate together and on the field... lol

The Rangers hitters have not looked comfortable these past two games with the "cold" during the Seattle evenings. Adolis Garcia has been wearing a balaclava... could be a long October for them if they make it...
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 08:42 AM EDT (#437946) #
Mike, I agree and thought that Francis could have been a good option with a big lead yesterday.

My understanding is that the Blue Jays would miss the playoffs if (a) Seattle wins the next two games, (b) Houston wins the next two games, and (c) Toronto loses the next two games.

Is there any other way for the Jays to get bumped out of the postseason?
Leaside Cowboy - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 09:13 AM EDT (#437947) #
Champagne on ice.
Mike Green - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 09:19 AM EDT (#437948) #
Yes, greenfrog, there is another way. If Jays lose two, Seattle wins two and Houston splits two, there is a 4 way tie at 89 wins and the Jays end up being out because of the 4 way tiebreaker rules.
92-93 - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 09:20 AM EDT (#437949) #
We are all just prisoners here, of our own device.
bpoz - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 09:43 AM EDT (#437950) #
If the Jays win today and are in that means 1 of Texas, Houston or Seattle are out somehow. But how? Too much complicated math. Also how about the NL? Arizona getting swept at home by Houston would be a terrible way to not make it.
Cracka - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 09:48 AM EDT (#437951) #
What I would do is call up Francis.

I agree, but there's no easy transaction to get him on the roster right now. Jay Jackson cannot be optioned anymore this season without hitting waivers - and I think he's in the mix for a spot on the playoff roster. The only path that I can see is to option Genesis Cabrera... I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that optioned players can still be added to the playoff roster despite not being in the minors for 15 days -- once the regular season ends, these rules don't apply anymore. Otherwise - there's no one else who can be dropped from the roster this weekend but still remain eligible for the playoffs.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:10 AM EDT (#437953) #
A Fan 590 broadcaster just said there is only one way the Jays get bumped:

Jays go 0-2
Seattle goes 2-0
Houston goes 1-1

Not sure if that is correct.
James W - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:58 AM EDT (#437956) #
If Houston goes 2-0, Toronto 0-2, Seattle 2-0, that would give Houston the West, and then SEA, TEX and TOR would all be 89-73. I don't like Toronto's chances in a 3-way tiebreaker against Seattle and Texas.
bpoz - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 11:15 AM EDT (#437957) #
Verlander pitching for Houston today. Luis Castillo for Seattle today.

The 8-0 loss by Texas had Eovaldi pitching for Texas with Seattle using rookie Bryan Woo picked 2021 6th round. Woo is good but yesterday he only lasted 3.2 innings threw 82 pitches and shut them out. The Seattle pen shut out Texas the rest of the way. Eovaldi had a bad game.
ISLAND BOY - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 11:45 AM EDT (#437958) #
During the game Bassitt pitched, the announcers commented that Bassitt liked how the training staff of the Jays had the pitchers back off on the work they did between starts if they felt any soreness in their bodies. You really have to credit the trainers for doing a great job, along with good luck, in order to so few injuries among the pitchers this season.

Random stat from last night : Carlos Rodon pitched to eight batters for the Yankees last night and gave up 6 hits and two walks. Yikes!
John Northey - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 12:49 PM EDT (#437959) #
Basically the Jays are only out if 4 games go the wrong way - the Jays go 0-2, and Seattle goes 2-0. If the Jays win a game or Seattle loses a game then the Jays finish ahead of Seattle no matter what. What Houston does now only decides if the Jays are the 2nd or 3rd wild card, not if the Jays are in or out. Houston goes 2-0, Jays go 0-2 then Houston gets 2nd WC, Jays 3rd (if Seattle loses 1 or 2 games). If Houston goes 1-1 or 0-2 then the Jays get the 2nd WC regardless of how the Jays do (of course, assuming Seattle loses a game).

It is safe to say Texas doesn't want to be a WC - by winning the division you get the WC round off to rest which I suspect they need (heck, everyone could use those days off). So all 4 teams will be playing to win today with everything they got.

FYI: Playoff odds today - 95.1% Jays, 90% Rangers, 83.6% Astros, 31.4% Mariners. Both the Jays and Texas can clinch with a Rangers win today. If Seattle & Houston win, and the Jays lose then we are at the point of the crazy 4 way tie being in serious play as that'd put the Jays, Texas, and Houston at 89 wins and Seattle at 88 with 1 to go.

Oh yeah, if the Jays win and the 3 west teams tie you get Houston and Seattle in, Texas out. Via MLB.com
Marc Hulet - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 12:54 PM EDT (#437960) #
An oddly done playoff pitcher ranking at ESPN that has Gausman is Tier 1, and with 25 names in total mentioned over various tiers. No other Jays' starter makes the list with Bassitt and Berrios both MIA... but names like Civale, Garrett, B. Miller, and Eovaldi make the list. And they didn't even rank the Cubs or Mariners pitchers because they don't project to make the playoffs right now
uglyone - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 01:23 PM EDT (#437961) #
Obviously its not do or die today but clinching today has just massive implications for the playoffs and we should pull out all the stops to win.

All of Romano Mayza Swanson Hicks Richards Cabrera are all rested and can pitch both the next games if necessary. They're all a go today, with Richards the one going in if Ryu needs a quick pull. Jackson's also good to go if we're behind by a bunch.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 01:33 PM EDT (#437962) #
No Diaz in the Rays lineup today.
Leaside Cowboy - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 01:55 PM EDT (#437963) #
Texas had better wake up.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 02:00 PM EDT (#437964) #
Just win today. Don’t wait around to see if Texas can beat Castillo or Kirby, or if Arizona can beat Houston, or if Gausman is on his game tomorrow.
Eephus - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 02:12 PM EDT (#437965) #
I’m fairly torn since Arizona losing gives my Reds a better chance (they’ll also need some help from the Pirates beating the Marlins…. So my hopes aren’t high)… but clearly the path is: just win, baby.
99BlueJaysWay - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#437966) #
I don’t know what Buck is talking about. The change-up to Arozarena was well off the plate. The curve ball to Paredes was also well placed
Nigel - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 03:28 PM EDT (#437967) #
I don’t know that Ryu has a role on a playoff roster.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 03:50 PM EDT (#437968) #
That might have been a game-saving play by Biggio.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:02 PM EDT (#437969) #
Bo and Vladdy and Springer need to be patient and disciplined and not try to win the game off of bad pitches.
Mike Green - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#437970) #
Merrifield at second base today.  Blech.  Also not excited about Richards coming in for the 4th inning, with a train of relievers afterwards. 

Varsho is having a pretty decent off-year. 
Mike Green - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#437971) #
Before today, Ryu had the second lowest ERA (3.31) and the lowest xERA (3.64) among the Blue Jay starters.  Both numbers will be higher, but still pretty decent.  Tampa is a tough matchup for him. 
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#437972) #
Good decision to pull Ryu.

Very good job by Richards in the fourth. The fifth inning will be a tougher test for him.
uglyone - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#437973) #
good thing none of us are nervous. i'm certainly not.


funny enough Schneider's quick hook turns into more of a strength than a weakness when it comes to playoffs baseball.
Dewey - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:25 PM EDT (#437974) #
Vladdy has looked absolutely pathetic in his last two at-bats. He doesn’t seem to have a clue! Mere guesswork. Soo disappointing. Ended two rallies.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#437975) #
Horrible leadoff walk by Richards.
99BlueJaysWay - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#437976) #
Great to see Varsho making some hard contact!
uglyone - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:27 PM EDT (#437977) #
hopefully richards can get out of this inning tied, then we can go with high leverage relievers the rest of the way.
Nigel - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#437978) #
Ryu hasn’t been good in his last 4 starts.
Mike Green - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#437979) #
Not excited at all about going with high leverage relievers for 4 innings.  Bowden Francis would have been perfect for the situation.  Sigh. 
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:35 PM EDT (#437980) #
Cabrera and John Schneider are lucky. That pitching change almost blew up in their faces.
uglyone - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:35 PM EDT (#437981) #
i'd much prefer using our four best relievers rather than bowden francis.
99BlueJaysWay - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:36 PM EDT (#437982) #
Why not? They can use them today and then give them two days off
Mike Green - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:37 PM EDT (#437983) #
Ryu had a rough outing today and the one prior in Tampa.  In the two starts before that, he allowed 0 runs in 4.2 innings and 3 runs in 6 innings.  The start before that he allowed 2 runs in 5 innings with 1 walk and 5 Ks.  As bad patches go, this hardly rates. 

The whole sequential reliever thing is such a poor strategy in this game.  The bullpen is pretty flat in terms of talent,and the odds of getting a reliever who doesn't have it on that day are very high.   And if it happens, they put themselves in poor shape for tomorrow. 
99BlueJaysWay - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#437984) #
But each of those pitchers is better than Francis….
Marc Hulet - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#437985) #
I'm not a fan of Richards after Ryu... two changeup specialists back to back doesn't make much sense ...
soupman - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#437986) #
i was just saying the same thing here.
electric carrot - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#437987) #
"odds of getting a reliever who doesn't have it"

is 100% with francis.
Eephus - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#437988) #
That’s one hell of a play by Varsho.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#437989) #
Pathetic.
Eephus - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#437990) #
Kirk? Not so much. Ugly ugly ugly
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#437991) #
Swanson has ice in his veins. Great job.
Eephus - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#437992) #
Neat.
99BlueJaysWay - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 04:52 PM EDT (#437993) #
Big DP! Impressive to turn it against Arozarena
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 05:02 PM EDT (#437994) #
Might be good to have Yimi throw two innings. This game could run into extras. Yimi would get the bottom of the Rays lineup in the eighth. That way Hicks would get the ninth in a potentially tied game—a situation where Romano has fallen down of late.
99BlueJaysWay - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 05:02 PM EDT (#437995) #
I would give Yimi a second inning here
99BlueJaysWay - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 05:08 PM EDT (#437996) #
Leaning into Romano’s weakness…OK

I guess they’re looking for a spot to give him a shot of confidence?
Mike Green - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#437997) #
Varsho is so good defensively. 
electric carrot - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#437998) #
i put eden in for springer here
99BlueJaysWay - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 05:45 PM EDT (#437999) #
I wouldn’t. He may hit again!
John Northey - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 05:54 PM EDT (#438000) #
Argh. Paying the price for walking Tapia. Bloody hell.
vw_fan17 - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 05:55 PM EDT (#438001) #
Help us, Kevin Gausman, you're our only hope..
Eephus - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#438002) #
Death by a thousand toothpicks.

This has been a hell of a game regardless.
99BlueJaysWay - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 05:58 PM EDT (#438003) #
I knew something was off - Eephus don’t you say they always blow it when you watch?
Eephus - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 06:00 PM EDT (#438004) #
Don’t worry: if they make the playoffs I’ll stick to the radio. Can’t watch tomorrow if that game matters anyhow.
Mike Green - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 06:00 PM EDT (#438005) #
Randomness.  The game could easily have been over after Biggio's at-bat. 

Romano pitched well after those 3 sliders to Lowe.  That's good. 
BlueJayWay - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 06:06 PM EDT (#438006) #
It wouldn't be the 2023 Blue Jays without being as excruciating as possible.
Mike Green - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 06:07 PM EDT (#438007) #
Go, Rangers!
SK in NJ - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 06:28 PM EDT (#438008) #
I've never wanted a regular season to end as much as I do this one. The 2023 Blue Jays have done a number on me. At least tomorrow is the last day. Either they get in or they don't.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 06:42 PM EDT (#438009) #
Memories of 2021. Let's hope this story has a better ending.
John Northey - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 06:49 PM EDT (#438010) #
Imagine the old days - the Jays would be guaranteed a game 163 right now, but we could be looking at a 4 team mess. The 3 west teams playing each other to determine who wins the west first, then the Jays slip in thanks to someone needing to lose during that, or a 3 way to determine the wild cards. I think the tiebreaking method makes sense, but I kind of miss the idea of a 1 game winner takes all situation for both teams on the field.
85bluejay - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 07:03 PM EDT (#438011) #
The Jays have no excuse if they don't win a WC spot - 2 shots against a team that has already nailed down its slot. It would epitomize the Jays season if the 4 teams all finished with 89 wins, leaving the Jays out in the cold.

On another note, I'm so happy that former Jays farmhand Harold Ramirez is enjoying a solid season - was a fan when he was in the Jays system - no outstanding tools but he just kept improving.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 07:21 PM EDT (#438012) #
It seems unsatisfying to make the postseason via a Seattle loss after the Jays' loss earlier today. Psychologically, the team might internalize the undermining message, we're not good enough to win our way into the postseason -- we need someone else to do it for us.

But hey, I'm sure we'll all take it, if only to end the torment of this regular season grind to the finish line.
scottt - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#438013) #
This feels like the playoffs, so no regret if they don't make it.
Meaningful baseball to the last day of September.
We will get meaningful October baseball no matter what, but maybe just for one day.

Texas has two shots to win the division and skip the wildcard round.
They have to be all in.

Leaside Cowboy - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 07:37 PM EDT (#438014) #
Mighty Morphin' Texas Power Rangers
Marc Hulet - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 07:38 PM EDT (#438015) #
Yet the man on the mound for Texas is Andrew Heaney vs Luis Castillo. David vs Goliath...
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 07:58 PM EDT (#438016) #
This does not feel like the playoffs. It feels like 2021 — multiple teams vying for the playoffs. There is a difference. TB isn’t even trying that hard to win.

Heaney is holding his own against Seattle so far tonight. And the Rangers have made Castillo throw a lot of pitches through 2IP.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 08:09 PM EDT (#438017) #
Rangers draw first blood. And Castillo’s pitch count continues to climb.
Mike Green - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 08:18 PM EDT (#438018) #
Slingshot in fine form this evening. 
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 08:22 PM EDT (#438019) #
What or who is slingshot?
scottt - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 08:24 PM EDT (#438020) #
The Rays used all their best relievers.
Playing injured guys isn't doing everything to win.
It's easier when the pressure is not on you.

I'd still prefer to play the Twins. 

Mike Green - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#438021) #
David vs. Goliath- although whether David's weapon was a sling or a slingshot has been debated. 
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#438022) #
The Rays also used a fungible AAAA reliever (Criswell, 5.40 ERA, -0.2 WAR) to cover three innings today. That does not say “postseason” baseball to me. It says the Rays are *preparing* for postseason baseball.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 08:36 PM EDT (#438023) #
Got it. Thanks, Mike. I should have picked up on that.

The 4-0 lead is great to see (although I wish Semien’s liner had fallen in to extend the lead). I think we all want to see Gausman get the day off tomorrow.
BlueJayWay - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 08:54 PM EDT (#438024) #
Mariners down 5-0. Please don't screw this up, Texas.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 09:46 PM EDT (#438025) #
Atkins and Schneider are a few innings away from having a bit more job security, I think.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 09:58 PM EDT (#438026) #
One of the M’s broadcasters is expressing bewilderment about why the Blue Jays haven’t performed better this year — the offense especially.
Leaside Cowboy - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:14 PM EDT (#438027) #
To the 9th inning . . . Buckle up!
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:28 PM EDT (#438028) #
Who is going to pitch tomorrow for Toronto? Can the team call up Francis to start the game? Jackson and Pearson? Cabrera? Maybe a tuneup outing for Mayza?
Leaside Cowboy - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:29 PM EDT (#438029) #
Blue Jays clinch wildcard!
BlueJayWay - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#438030) #
Your Toronto Blue Jays will be part of the 2023 MLB Postseason. Drink it in.
Marc Hulet - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:33 PM EDT (#438031) #
Send down Genesis Cabrera and Bowden Francis starts tomorrow? Assuming Genesis could still be on the playoff roster. Not sure on the rule.

Not sure how else the club gets a starter on the roster unless they risk waiving Jackson, which they could since he's a free agent at the end of the year and no one would likely claim him...
hypobole - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:36 PM EDT (#438032) #
Congratulations to Ross Atkins. The best GM that no one thinks is good,
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:41 PM EDT (#438033) #
Making the postseason in 2020, 2022 and 2023 is a pretty good accomplishment for the front office. They very nearly (and probably should have) made it in 2021, too. But we all know the story of that season.
ISLAND BOY - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:41 PM EDT (#438034) #
I think someone said that Cabrera could be sent down and still be on the playoff roster. I don't care if the Jays backed into the playoffs because it sets up a stress-free Sunday. Empty the bench tomorrow and then bring on the playoffs!
scottt - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:47 PM EDT (#438035) #
There's always a bunch of blown saves or costly errors which cost games, but I'll always remember the one game in which Semien spiked the ball on the ground on a play I could have made (which is saying something) which was going to end the game.
Nigel - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:49 PM EDT (#438036) #
Losing your way in is very on brand for the 2023 club. Onwards to victory!!!
John Northey - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:53 PM EDT (#438037) #
Hopefully we get the kiddie core out there tomorrow. Cam Eden in CF, Schneider at 2B or LF, plus the less used guys like Heineman catching, Espinal at SS, Biggio at 3B, Merrifield somewhere. Should be fun to watch. I hope Eden gets his first ML hit.
scottt - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#438038) #
I think Kikuchi can be sent down. Technically, the player loses a day of pay, right?
I'd get Francis, Pearson and even Zulueta to pitch tomorrow.

The Rays DFAed Erasmo Ramirez.
He looked worse than Criswell who was auditioning for a bulk role.

Who's starting for the Rays tomorrow?

greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:55 PM EDT (#438039) #
This outcome is good not only because it allows Gausman to start game 1 on Tuesday, but also because it should permit the Jays to give some of their banged-up players (Vladdy, Springer, Bo, Belt, Chapman, Kiermaier) some additional rest before then. The rotation, bullpen and lineup should be nice and fresh for the WC series.

Bring on the postseason!
scottt - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 10:57 PM EDT (#438040) #
At the same time, if the Rays use any real relievers, I want the big guys out there getting some valuable ABs.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#438041) #
Houston just beat Arizona 1-0, eliminating Seattle from the postseason (I think).
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 11:05 PM EDT (#438042) #
So if tomorrow Houston wins and Toronto loses, do the Jays play Minnesota in the WC series?
dalimon5 - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 11:07 PM EDT (#438043) #
You can't be half pregnant, this is a playoff team. Bravo. TEX, HOU, MIN, TB can all be beaten by Toronto. BAL can but it would be a lot tougher. Here is preference of opponent from easiest to play to worst:

TEX
MIN
HOU
TB
BAL
dalimon5 - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 11:10 PM EDT (#438044) #
Last year Harper stepped up for the Phillies. Who can step up on this team? Springer? Vladdy? Bo? Belt?? Who can hit an oppo homer off an elite pitcher when it counts? At the end of the day I can only see Vladdy having the capacity for that.
vw_fan17 - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#438045) #
Not sure how Texas ends up easiest, when we just got swept in a 4 game series.
scottt - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#438046) #
Well rested hitters against good pitching.
Not a recipe for high scoring.

2020 Wild card series.
Tampa won 3-1 and 8-2.

Arozarena went 4 for 8 with 2 double and a triple.
KK was 1 for 7.
Margot went 3 for 7 with a HR.

On the Jays side.
Biggio 1 for 8.
Vladdy 1 for 7.
Bichette 0 for 6.
Kirk 1 for 3.
Most of the offense came from Jansen who hit 2 HR.

I must say the Jays pitching has changed.
Only Pearson (2 scoreless innings) and Ryu (7 runs) are left from that era.

SK in NJ - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#438047) #
I can't think of a more appropriate way for the 2023 Blue Jays to make the post season than to lose at home in front of a sellout crowd and get in because the team chasing them in the standings lost. Whatever, all that matters is that they made it. Now just have to hope the bats can get hot for a few weeks, and the pitching can remain as good as they've been all year. Having Gausman available for Game 1 is huge.

All in all, we made it through the season, and by "we", I mean us, the fans. What a frustrating ride it has been, but no one will remember how annoying this season was if there is a banner raised next season. You have to make it first. Step 1 complete.
scottt - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 11:26 PM EDT (#438048) #
Just going by rankings.
Baltimore 101
Tampa 98
Texas 90
Houston 89
Minnesota 87

If the Jays lose and Houston wins, the Jays fall to the 3rd wild card.
If Houston wins and Texas loses, Houston wins the ALWest, which is worth trying for.

greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 11:26 PM EDT (#438049) #
It's kind of crazy that Miami (-53 run differential) and Arizona (-8) earned NL WC spots, while the Cubs (+100) and Padres (+103) were eliminated. That seems like a statistically very unlikely outcome, even more so with a balanced schedule.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 11:29 PM EDT (#438050) #
Heal quickly, Danny Jansen.
uglyone - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 11:49 PM EDT (#438051) #
Best jays team ever.
John Northey - Saturday, September 30 2023 @ 11:50 PM EDT (#438052) #
Well, the Jays are in. Who do they play? Depends....

If Houston wins on Sunday, Jays lose, then Jays play Minnesota. If Houston and the Jays lose or both win or Jays win and Houston loses then the Jays play Tampa in round 1 as the Jays have the tiebreaker (better regular season record).

For Houston & Texas if Texas wins or Houston loses Texas wins the west. If Houston wins and Texas loses then Astros win the west and Texas is the 2nd WC (have the tiebreaker vs the Jays).

So what is the best case? Facing Minnesota or facing Tampa? Jays and Tampa are tied for the season series with tomorrow being a scrub game for both. The Twins and Jays are tied in their season series 3-3 (Twins scored 2 more runs). Last game was June 11th - a lifetime ago in baseball terms. Cimber got the L in 2 games, Pearson the W in one, Berrios and Gausman won 1 each, Bassitt lost one. Gausman had a 6.30 ERA vs the Twins (2 starts, 1 good, 1 bad), Kikuchi 3.60 ERA, Bassitt 4 IP 7 ER, Berrios 5 2/3 shutout innings, Richards got the other start plus a relief game (4 IP total 0 R 1 H 2 BB 10 SO).

I'm thinking Minnesota might be best so come on Houston and Seattle tomorrow! The Rays look weak right now, but still beat the Jays today and I'd rather avoid them and Baltimore until the ALCS.

As to pitching tomorrow - Pearson and Jackson will both be given shots to go 2-3 innings if they can. Cabrera only threw 4 pitches today, Garcia 5 (Garcia also threw 11 the day before) so both are available. Romano, Hicks, Swanson, and Richards are off-limits I'd think. Green should be available if needed, but ideally wouldn't be used. Mayza will be available for an inning. So unless Pearson or Jackson can cover 3 innings we're still an inning short (Pearson 2, Jackson 2, Cabrera 1, Garcia 1, Green 1, Mayza 1).

Hmmm... seems the smart move if possible is to call up a pitcher for tomorrow. Can't find any rules on a guy being sent down pre-post season and how that is handled. If the 10-15 day minimum is still in place. If the Jays wanted to be sneaky they could just release Ryu now and use that to call up someone (he isn't pitching in the postseason unless there are injuries) but I suspect they want to keep him around just in case of injury. With 2 options still in place they technically could send Romano down for a day if allowed to immediately recall him for the playoffs, Kikuchi also as neither are being used tomorrow. Thus allowing Francis and Zulueta or Pop to be called up (all on 40 man), Cimber is on the 60 day IL still. So creative options are available and if a guy is sent down for 1 day it doesn't hurt his service time so it shouldn't annoy Romano or Kikuchi to have that done if it helps the team. I really miss the old 40 man limit on September rosters as then those guys would be up and so would Horwitz, Clement, and Lukes to allow the Jays to rest pretty much everyone tomorrow.
John Northey - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 01:17 AM EDT (#438053) #
So does Kirk play all 3 games of the Wild Card if needed? Seems like a 'no kidding' thing, but by game 3 he might be a bit gassed, if needed. The LCS/WS with no more than 2 games before an off-day should work well if Jansen can't return by then but rounds 1 and 2 could be tough on Kirk.

Lineup? I have to think Varsho & Kiermaier are in every game, same for Springer, Vlad, Bo, Chapman. Belt vs RHP, Schneider vs LHP most likely, Biggio in at 2B every game - the way he has been playing you gotta keep him in there.

Biggio by month sOPS+ 18-125-112-93-90-116 (before Saturday's game, 2 walks, 0-3). Take out that super-ugly March-April and you get a nice line of 257/362/397, roughly a 110 OPS+ which would match Matt Chapman's full season (post April his line is a much worse 207/300/365 or about an 84 which is where Varsho was before today). Sure makes it a lot easier for the Jays to let Chapman go somewhere else this winter and put Biggio at 3B potentially - his defensive stats at 3B appear positive across the board this year (vs career negative due to an ugly 2020/21 at 3B).

In a few weeks (hopefully not just 1 week) we get to debate who to keep and who to dump with Ryu-Merrifield-Chapman-Belt all becoming free agents. Oct 3/4/5 is the WC round, ALDS is Oct 7/8/10/11/13 (both are the same dates), ALCS is Oct 15-16-18-19-20-22-23, WS is Oct 27-28-30-31 Nov 1-3-4. Boy would some November baseball in the dome be exciting eh? The dream is still there.
85bluejay - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 08:07 AM EDT (#438054) #
Texas and Houston still have much to play for - wonder which team will have more of a hangover.
bpoz - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 08:08 AM EDT (#438055) #
October is a new month. Maybe the Jays O will become good. If so this will be the 1st time this year on a consistent basis.

I remember in 1992 Alomar and Gruber went deep against Eck. I may be wrong but that is what I remember. Playoffs is a new season. Where is J Guzman.
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 08:11 AM EDT (#438056) #
Champagne after today's game?
85bluejay - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 08:23 AM EDT (#438057) #
Joey Votto's career is likely over - is he a hall of famer? - I don't think he gets in during the regular voting years though fangraphs may go to bat for him as he's an analytics darling, more likely a Fred McGriff path - I'm a small hall of fame guy so I'd probably vote no but I've not done a deep dive.
Mike Green - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 08:43 AM EDT (#438058) #
Is that a request for a Votto Hall Watch? Maybe after the World Series I will. It has to be cool enough for soup, and these days that means late November.
electric carrot - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 10:13 AM EDT (#438059) #
Neither Tampa nor Minnesota looks undefeatable. Tampa looks a bit beat up and Minnesota looks like a solid team -- not a juggernaut. Sonny Gray and Pablo Lopez on the Twins look like they may be the best starters on either club. Given Toronto's difficulty against really good pitchers (I hate to say this for fear of jinxing it) but I think the Tampa might be a better match up. Plus I like the idea of winning 90 games. I think Schneider should manage to win today.
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 10:18 AM EDT (#438060) #
Freddie Freeman has 59 doubles with 1 game to play.
Chuck - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 10:39 AM EDT (#438061) #
Three leadoff hitters have 100 RBI: Betts, Acuna, Semien.
dalimon5 - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 10:41 AM EDT (#438062) #
Tampa has Glasnow and Eflin...thats going to be tough. Twinkie's have Lopez and Gray, also tough. TB has the better bullpen.

Orioles supposedly have one of the worst OPS in baseball against good pitching. Without Bautista the Jays have a much better chance against them.

bpoz - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 11:12 AM EDT (#438063) #
Some historic teams missed the playoffs. New teams made a good showing. The off season will be wild.
hypobole - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 12:09 PM EDT (#438064) #
The Braves are good:

The Braves are slugging .501 heading into the final game. If they have a good game, they'll be the first team to ever slug .500 in a season.

The entire team is hitting .275/.343/.500, which is a higher OPS than the career totals for Carl Yastrzemski, Robinson Cano, Eddie Murray, Jose Altuve, Roberto Clemente or Manny Machado, among others.
85bluejay - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 12:11 PM EDT (#438065) #
Let's try to sign the Braves hitting coach - many coaches are on 1 year contracts.
dalimon5 - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 12:28 PM EDT (#438066) #
None of those numbers matter tomorrow. Lets see how they do when it counts.
hypobole - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 12:29 PM EDT (#438067) #
Jays batting problem isn't so much they can't hit, it's that they can't hit in Toronto. The Braves hit 192/292/343 in Toronto, so obviously their hitting coach doesn't have the secret sauce of how to hit here either. :)

In all seriousness, why on earth would the Atlanta hitting coach leave to come here?
#2JBrumfield - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 12:38 PM EDT (#438068) #
It looks like it will be the Wes Parsons Project appearing at the Dome according to Kaitlyn McGrath. The Jays may or may not benot be Sirius about winning today.
Magpie - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 12:46 PM EDT (#438069) #
why on earth would the Atlanta hitting coach leave to come here?

Kevin Seitzer has already spent a season as the Jays hitting coach. John Hart hired him away to join the Braves back in 2014.
Gerry - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 01:05 PM EDT (#438070) #
Jackson DFA'd to make room for Parsons.

Cracka - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 01:27 PM EDT (#438071) #
That's rough. I think Jackson was in consideration for the playoff roster: 25 appearances, 21 scoreless outings. But they absolutely needed another arm for today - and evidently, I was wrong earlier about Genesis Cabrera - he can be optioned, but wouldn't be eligible to return for 15 days. So other than DFAing Ryu, there are no other options that don't impact the playoff roster for Tuesday... and there's no way the bullpen can cover 9 innings today. Too bad it had to end this way for Jackson, but hopefully, he's set himself up for an MLB contract next season.

Eephus - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 01:36 PM EDT (#438072) #
Releasing Jackson just for this random fella to start a meaningless game 162 seems very shortsighted and cold to me. Two thumbs down.
John Northey - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 01:42 PM EDT (#438073) #
Ugh. Not a fan of that move. I get the logic, but Jackson has been great this year in any role and should've been a consideration for the post-season roster. I certainly trust him more than a few others on the roster. Why not Francis instead of Parsons? No 40 man move needed.

Parsons: 17 starts, 81 2/3 IP, 7.5 H/9 5.0 BB/9 (yikes) 10.8 K/9 1.2 HR/9 - has 39 2/3 IP in the majors in 18/19 86 ERA+, 7.3 BB/9 vs 6.6 K/9 - so I wouldn't expect more than a couple of innings from him today. He did throw 6 innings a couple of times, last on September 14th. His last start was on the 20th going 4 IP giving up 6 ER. Francis has a sub 2 ERA in the majors, 2.67 in AAA this year with 2.3 BB/9 vs 14 K/9 but his longest game in AAA was 4 2/3 IP back in May, and was used for just 1 IP his last 2 games in AAA (after being sent down). Very odd given the Jays would've wanted him ready to go 2-3 at least if needed. His longest ML game was 4 IP back on June 28th, then a 3 2/3 on August 11th.

Digging in a bit I can see why they gave Parsons a shot as eating innings is what matters today. If he gives up 10 but gets 5 innings in the Jays will be happy and if his arm goes kaboom they won't care as he would probably be a minor league free agent post-2023 anyways. Myself, if I felt Francis couldn't go 3+ today I'd look at Zach Thompson who went 5 each of his last 2 starts, and had 2 6 IP games in July. 4.61 ERA in AAA this year, 24 starts 105 1/3 IP 4.1 BB/9 vs 6.8 K/9 plus was a very good starter in 2021 in the majors with a 130 ERA+ before flopping in 2022 with a 79. The K's of Parsons look sweet but Thompson looks like a safer bet to not stink up the joint today - if the Rays are patient Parsons could be done in just 1 or 2 innings. Mitch White also had to be looked at 4.9 BB/9 vs 10.8 K/9 in AAA, but since being sent down last 3.00 ERA 16 BB 46 K in 36 IP peaking at 7 IP on Sept 9th, 4 IP his last start.

The more I look at it the more I wonder why they didn't call up White instead now. All 3 have warts (as anyone pitching in AAA would). But for the playoffs I'm annoyed at losing Jackson - of course if he is demoted and not claimed (why would anyone claim him, ineligible for playoffs for anyone but Toronto, free agent post 2023) he could still be available in case of injury (always a risk with pitchers).
Paul D - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 01:47 PM EDT (#438074) #
What happens if the Rays claim Jackson before the playoffs?
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 01:47 PM EDT (#438075) #
1 RF Merrifield
2 DH Belt
3 SS Bichette
4 2B Schneider
5 1B Biggio
6 3B Espinal
7 CF Varsho
8 C Heineman
9 LF Eden
85bluejay - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 01:55 PM EDT (#438076) #
"In all seriousness, why on earth would the Atlanta hitting coach leave to come here?

Show me the money!
hypobole - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 01:56 PM EDT (#438077) #
What happens if the Rays claim Jackson before the playoffs?

Wouldn't they have to drop someone off both their 26 man and 40 man? For a pitcher who they won't be able to use anyway?
Marc Hulet - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 01:57 PM EDT (#438078) #
No team will claim Jackson - he can't be on anyone's playoff roster and he's a FA after the season...
John Northey - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 02:02 PM EDT (#438079) #
For rotations I'm guessing the following....
  • Jays: Gausman 133 ERA+, Bassitt 117 ERA+, Berrios 115 ERA+, Kikuchi 109 ERA+ with Ryu's 122 in reserve
  • Rays: Glasnow 118 ERA+, Eflin 119 ERA+, then ??? Littell 106? Armstrong 303 but 1-3 IP max?
  • Twins: Gray 154, Ober 122, Lopez 117, big drop to Maeda 102 and Ryan 95
  • Rangers: Montgomery 159 (137 overall), Eovaldi 122, Dunning 119, Heaney 107 (lost to injury Gray 108 and Scherzer 139)
  • Astros: Verlander 128, Valdez 122, France 110, then a couple of guys in the 80's.
So the Rays have the weakest rotation, Twins the best #1, Rangers are seeing a 'wow' from Montgomery but for pure depth the Jays win at #4/5 Should be interesting to see how the playoffs go - more a matter of who gets hot and who gets cold.
hypobole - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#438080) #
How does getting DFA'd negatively impact Jackson?
John Northey - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 02:55 PM EDT (#438081) #
When you are on the 40 man roster you get extra benefits and salary. If released he gets ziltch. But while on the DFA list (10 days I think) he gets any and all benefits guys on the 40 man get. I suspect part of it is to let him go home with his wife to help with their baby (born waaay too early, thus in the ICU). I wouldn't be surprised if the Jays paid for a flight home for him for that purpose.
Gerry - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#438082) #
The Jays could ask Jackson to stick around on the taxi squad. He could be recalled if another pitcher gets injured.
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#438083) #
Does DFA'ing him actually make him playoffs ineligible for us?
hypobole - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#438084) #
Pretty sure players don't get any salary after today.
Paul D - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#438085) #
I was wondering if a team could initiate a claim to prevent the Jays from putting him back on the playoff roster
hypobole - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#438086) #
Yes they could, but as Marc said, no team will.
Marc Hulet - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 03:38 PM EDT (#438087) #
I wonder what pitches Heineman throws...
Katie - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#438088) #
There's no way this was done as a favor for Jackson or in relation to his baby. He was with the team now, despite his baby's health, he's 36 and having an effective season. There's no reason he wouldn't want to be on the playoff roster.

But the Jays seem to have decided that wasn't in his future.
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 03:41 PM EDT (#438089) #
but is he actually playoffs ineligible for the jays now?
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#438090) #
Any chance Ryu can pitch again today after throwing 52 yesterday?
lexomatic - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#438091) #
Joey Votto's career is likely over - is he a hall of famer?
11th best hitter between 2000-2023 by fWAR at 58.3 4th best 1B during that time with Pujols & Miguel Cabrera ahead of him as pretty sure, and Freddy Freeman #3 as getting better. Goldschmidt is right behind at 57.4 with significant differences in baserunning & fielding in fewer games & better health. Nobody else has a shot at closing the gap. I guess the question will be whether his offense is that much better than his peers that he deserves being maybe the 5th 1B of an era.
Offense R 436.1 is 6th behind Pujols, Trout, Bonds, ARod, Miggy,

WRC+145 tied for 8th during timeline and 1st among 1B with Jason Giambi, Lance Berkman, Jim Thome. and the most PA of them by 1000 over Berkman (and 2600 over Giambi).
OBP 409 7th behind Bonds, Walker, Soto, Helton, ManRam, Trout. If we eliminate people with fewer than 70% of GP he's 4th behind Helton, ManRam, Trout. & 2nd 1BSLG 511 is 47th, 15th in 1B. If you remove the players with fewer than 1/2 GP (Bagwell, Alonzo, Olson, Palmeiro - there's a clue to next gen) he's 11th. 70% of GP
Anyway, I guess that's the general situation. He doesn't have a ton of playoff time to help him, or big HR #s I think he's probably out, but a great hitter, and who knows...
hypobole - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#438092) #
Hot take: Parsons will never pitch in the majors again.
hypobole - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#438093) #
My guess would be Espinal.
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#438094) #

It's early in both Houston-Arizona (4-0 HOU) and Tampa Bay-Toronto (8-0 TBR), but if both results hold the Blue Jays would play the Twins in the wild card regardless of Texas' result

— Ben Shulman (@benshulman7) October 1, 2023
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 03:51 PM EDT (#438095) #
Rally time.
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#438096) #
at least they're giving Parsons a breather.
Gerry - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 04:01 PM EDT (#438097) #
If no one claims Jackson, he could be assigned to Buffalo. Then he could be recalled as an injury replacement. Assuming the end of the season doesn't cause complications. I think players are not free agents until they declare they are after the end of the world series.
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 04:04 PM EDT (#438098) #
thx gerry
greenfrog - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#438099) #
I would prefer the Jays play Minnesota over Tampa.
Kasi - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 04:20 PM EDT (#438100) #
Twins lineup is not very scary compared to Tampa but I’m concerned we could be shut down by their pitching. Tampa we’re more familiar with and I feel better about our chances of scoring.
greenfrog - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#438101) #
Outfielder fWAR totals 2023:

Varsho 2.2
Kiermaier 2.1
Gurriel Jr. 2.1
Teoscar 1.7

The Jays off-season decisions regarding the outfield have worked out pretty well, considering they also added Swanson and Macko in the Teoscar trade (and subtracted Tapia). The emergence of Biggio as a valuable utility infielder/outfielder has helped as well.
Kasi - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 04:25 PM EDT (#438102) #
Also the Twins have owned Gausman which is a concern.
Chuck - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 04:28 PM EDT (#438103) #
at least they're giving Parsons a breather

Quote the raven, "nevermore".

Chuck - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 04:28 PM EDT (#438104) #
Er, quoth.
Nigel - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 04:46 PM EDT (#438105) #
greenfrog - I’m not sure the Varsho deal can considered a success after year 1. Maybe it ages better but I doubt it.
scottt - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 04:46 PM EDT (#438106) #
Gausman gave 1 run in 5.1 innings on May 26. Jays won 3-1.
Berrios went 5.2 innings 2 days later. Jays won 3-0.

It's Bassitt who got lit up in that series 7 earned runs in 4 innings.

Kasi - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#438107) #
A few weeks after that Kevin gave up 6 in 4.2 innings to them. Career wise they’re one of his worst opponents.
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 04:54 PM EDT (#438108) #
quick put the starters back in so they stop getting hits with RISP.
greenfrog - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 04:55 PM EDT (#438109) #
Moreno was a 1.7 fWAR player this year. Did Arizona really come out significantly ahead of the Jays in that trade? Kirk and Jansen have been a solid catching duo for the Jays, and would have been an excellent combo in the playoffs had Jansen not gotten injured (again).

Agreed that it will be easier to evaluate the trade in a few years.
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 04:58 PM EDT (#438110) #
Danny Jansen no longer with a splint on his broken finger.
Nigel - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 05:00 PM EDT (#438111) #
Varsho and Gurriel were a wash this year. So Arizona got Moreno’s production this year at league minimum plus two more pre arb years on its player. That’s even leaving aside the positional scarcity value of a C. That’s a big big win so far for Arizona after year 1. But trades like that aren’t only one year things.
hypobole - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#438112) #
Remember this from 2014?

Toronto Blue Jays right fielder Jose Bautista told reporters that he’s displeased by his team’s decision to stand pat at the non-waiver trade deadline.

“I’m a little disappointed,” he said. “Other teams find a way to improve.”

Here's Cal Raleigh last night after the Mariners elimination by the Rangers about Seattle's decision not to add at the deadline:

"Anytime you can add, I mean look over in [Texas'] locker room right there, they've added more than anybody else and look where it got them...But going out and getting those big names, people who have done it, people who have been there, people who are leaders, people who have shown time and time again that they can be successful in this league is definitely what would help this clubhouse."
Kasi - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#438113) #
Belt or KK were the Gurriel replacement and both have been equivalent to him. Varsho has been better than Gurrielby both WAR standards. This trade will be entirely graded on if Moreno or Varsho is better. This year the very slight edge went to Moreno but there is still multiple years of control on both sides.
dalimon5 - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 05:26 PM EDT (#438114) #
Nigel,

You shouldn't ignore the following:

1) Varsho's floor is this year. 20 HR and best in league defense with great baserunning.

2) Varsho can play catcher to inflate his WAR if that is your ultimate measurement

3) Varsho likely will play CF and be best or near best in league. His WAR ahould go up in 2024.

4) Moreno has had a negative impact on the pitching staff in ARZ compared to last year

5) Gurriel eas worse defensively and as a hitter last year st time of the trade. That's important since you were trading him based on recency not on future potential.

I think it was a solid trade because Moreno has not been strong handling the staff. At time of trade I was disappointed and thought Moreno could replace Jansen just on defense alone. Now I wouldnt want Moreno handling the staff here at all.
dalimon5 - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#438115) #
Apologies for mobile translation typos.
dalimon5 - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#438116) #
Tim Wakefield just passed away.
Kasi - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 05:43 PM EDT (#438117) #
If Varsho was a full time CF then he’s likely have outgained Moreno in both WARs. Both are great defenders. It’s just Varshos power and baserunning vs Morenos hit skill. Presumably Moreno as he matures will hit for some power. The question is if Varsho can raise his batting average to match. Moreno is not a good base runner (somewhat surprisingly) and that won’t get better playing catcher.
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 05:52 PM EDT (#438118) #
moreno had virtually the same season as we've been dissappointed Kirk has had.

Varsho nowhere near as good as he should have been over the course of the season but he's over 100wrc+ in the 2nd half so he seems to have figured it out for a long enough time now.

and likely best to have Varsho/Kirk heading into the playoffs rather than Gurriel/Moreno.

but from Arizona's perspective, they have to be very happy with the trade for sure.
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 05:53 PM EDT (#438119) #
Astros win.
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#438120) #
Minny here we come.
greenfrog - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 06:00 PM EDT (#438121) #
I just think Tampa and the Trop have been such a thorn in the Jays' side for so long that it's worth facing a completely different opponent (not from the AL East or AL West) in a different venue in the WC series.

Should be fun to watch. It can't go any worse than last year's WC series.
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 06:00 PM EDT (#438122) #
amazing how it works out really. We end up with the best possible wild card scenario in the "easy bracket" and everybody rested up and ready to go.

This team isn't an underdog in any series.

No reason not to go deep.
hypobole - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 06:02 PM EDT (#438123) #
Congratulations to Jays fans. 3 million for the 1st time since 2017 and only the 3rd time since the last WS season.
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 06:15 PM EDT (#438124) #
" We did it! "
Kasi - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 06:20 PM EDT (#438125) #
I consider this a fair trade for sweeping the last weekend series in 21 and not making it.
Nigel - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 06:25 PM EDT (#438126) #
2023 Arizona Diamondbacks Catcher ERA:

Moreno 3.95
Kelly 5.01
Herrera 5.48

Congratulations Jays! Onwards to Minnesota! Should be fun.
Magpie - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 06:30 PM EDT (#438127) #
I've been listening practically non-stop these last few days to music by one of the distinguished sons of Minneapolis. I should cut that out for a few days?
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 06:36 PM EDT (#438128) #
Leaside Cowboy fondly remembers the final home game of 2006, which was played against Tim Wakefield and the Red Sox.
Nigel - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 06:39 PM EDT (#438129) #
Prince is off the playlist for a week
mathesond - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 06:42 PM EDT (#438130) #
I just realized I watched a couple of 15-20 minute docs on The Replacements and Husker Du. But I promise not to play anything by the Hold Steady.
greenfrog - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 06:43 PM EDT (#438131) #
You don't have to be rich
To be my girl
You don't have to be cool
To rule my world
Ain't no particular sign
I'm more compatible with
I just want your extra time and your
RISP
BlueJayWay - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 06:44 PM EDT (#438132) #
Whoooo could imaginnnnne they would freeaaak outttt innnnn Minnesota
92-93 - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 06:47 PM EDT (#438133) #
I would have preferred the other bracket. Facing Verlander twice in the ALDS will be a tough task for the winner of the Jays/Twins.

The only real roster decision is 12 or 13 pitchers. I would keep the current bench and cut Parsons and Ryu. 8 relievers and a rested Kikuchi should be more than enough for a 3 game series after an off day.
Nigel - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 06:49 PM EDT (#438134) #
I agree 92-93. That would be my wildcard roster as well.
Mike Green - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 07:09 PM EDT (#438135) #
In my opinion, the two best teams over the season were the #4 and #5 seeds- Tampa and Texas. However, the difference right now between the best club and worst club in the AL playoffs is quite small. I believe that any team has a reasonable chance of winning the pennant.

The Blue Jays do need to avenge the 91 series loss to Minnesota. Half the current team wasn't born yet, but don't mind that.

All CanCon until the Jays win the Series perhaps. Arcade Fire? Neko Case now that Seattle is out, or only with the other moddle-aged Pornos? I will start with Lenny Breau to wind down.
Mike Green - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 07:11 PM EDT (#438136) #
Moddle? What kind of ridiculous autocorrect is that? Muddle-aged would have been acceptable.
John Northey - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#438137) #
The Twins look a bit hurt going in - Correa, Royce Lewis (3B 149 OPS+ in just 58 games), Gallo (LF), Buxton (DH) are all on the IL as the season ends. I suspect some will be back for the playoffs but might be a bit slow at first as they get back into the swing of things - can't send to rehab right now.

Someone will do a comparison for round 1 I'm sure, but for now I'm thinking who on the Twins would I trade 1-1 for the playoffs with the Jays at the same position? Edouard Julien at 2B has been great - 131 OPS+ 2.6 bWAR, same for Lewis (but just 58 games so just 2.4 bWAR), RF Max Kepler has a 121 OPS+ (2.9 bWAR).

López is a solid guy 117 ERA+ 194 IP, as is Gray 154 ERA+ 184 IP (possible Cy?). Bailey Ober is solid too (122 ERA+ over 137 2/3 IP). The pen is where things start to go wonky with Duran a solid closer (176 ERA+ 27-5 in saves with 1 hold). Pagán is a decent setup (144 ERA+ over 69 1/3 IP), then their #3 is probably Brock Stewart who has had a great year (out of majors since 2019) with an 0.66 ERA over 27 IP (kind of their Jay Jackson one could say).

So a fast check tells me the Twins have the stronger 'ace', a few really good hitters mixed with some ugly ones (starting catcher has a 65 OPS+ but backup has a 134 - probably a defense vs offense situation as both played a lot, 81+ games each).

At this point no team is bad. So this will be a tough series but a winnable one. Lets hope Vlad is on and the starters are too.
BlueJayWay - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#438138) #
Game 1 gets the 4:30 time slot. I was expecting a lot worse.
Magpie - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 07:21 PM EDT (#438139) #
Prince is off the playlist for a week

No disrespect to his Purple Awesomeness, but it wasn't him. It's been the mighty Replacements Tim remaster.
John Northey - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#438140) #
I'm for 14 hitters, 12 pitchers as well.
  • All the active hitters as of now, with starting being Kirk-Vlad-Biggio-Chapman-Bo-Varsho-Kiermaier-Springer-Belt with Merrifield, Espinal, Schneider, Heinemann, and Eden on the bench. The Twins rotation is all right handed.
  • Rotation of Gausman-Berrios-Bassitt with Kikuchi for long, Ryu off roster, Romano-Hicks-Green-Mayza-Swanson-Cabrera-Garcia-Richards as the pen. Richards and Kikuchi are mop up guys if needed (big lead or big deficit) to save the rest of them.
Bid - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 07:37 PM EDT (#438141) #
Gotta be Arkells. Max Kerman was perhaps the best catcher at Christie Pits in the 90s.
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#438142) #
Happy 78th birthday to Rod Carew.
Nigel - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 07:40 PM EDT (#438143) #
Prince and The Replacements - both inner circle HOF members. Hard to go wrong there.
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 07:40 PM EDT (#438144) #
Final Jays Stats

* DH Belt 404pa, 138wrc+, 2.3war, 3.7war/650pa
* SS Bichette 601pa, 125wrc+, 3.9war, 4.1war/650pa
* 1B Guerrero 682pa, 118wrc+, 1.0war, 1.0war/650pa
* 3B Chapman 581pa, 110wrc+, 3.4war, 3.8war/650pa
* C Jansen 301pa, 116wrc+, 2.0war, 4.3war/650pa
* RF Springer 683pa, 104wrc+, 2.2war, 2.1war/650pa
* CF Kiermaier 481pa, 104wrc+, 2.1war, 3.3war/650pa
* 2B Biggio 338pa, 103wrc+, 1.0war, 1.9war/650pa
* LF Varsho 581pa, 86wrc+, 2.2war, 2.5war/650pa

* UT Schneider 141pa, 176wrc+, 2.0war, 9.2war/650pa
* C Kirk 422pa, 96wrc+, 1.7war, 2.6war/650pa
* UT Merrifield 592pa, 93wrc+, 1.7war, 1.9war/650pa
* IF Espinal 254pa, 80wrc+, 0.1war, 0.3war/650pa

Extra:

* IF Clement 52pa, 144wrc+, 0.6war, 7.5war/650pa
* C Heineamn 47pa, 107wrc+, 0.3war, 4.1war/650pa
* 1B Horwitz 44pa, 106wrc+, 0.2war, 3.0war/650pa
* OF Lukes 31pa, 67wrc+, 0.0war, 0.0war/650pa
* OF Eden 6pa, -15wrc+, -0.1war, -10.8war/650pa



* SP Gausman 31gms, 6.0ip/gm, 75era-, 68fip-, 75xfip-, 4.9war, 5.1war/32gms
* SP Berrios 32gms, 5.9ip/gm, 87era-, 92fip-, 93xfip-, 3.4war, 3.4war/32gms
* SP Bassitt 33gms, 6.1ip/gm, 85era-, 98fip-, 98xfip-, 3.2war, 3.1war/32gms
* SP Kikuchi 32gms, 5.2ip/gm, 92era-, 94fip-, 88xfip-, 2.7war, 2.7war/32gms
* SP Ryu 11gms, 4.7ip/gm, 82era-, 113fip-, 103xfip-, 0.6war, 1.7war/32gms
* SP Manoah 19gms, 4.6ip, 139era-, 138fip-, 136xfip-, -0.5war, -0.8war/32gms

* RP Romano 59gms, 1.0ip/gm, 69era-, 79fip-, 94xfip-, 1.5war, 1.6war/65gms
* RP Mayza 69gms, 0.8ip/gm, 36era-, 60fip-, 70xfip-, 1.8war, 1.7war/65gms
* RP Swanson 69gms, 1.0ip/gm, 70era-, 80fip-, 89xfip-, 1.3war, 1.2war/65gms
* RP Hicks 65gms, 1.0ip/gm, 77era-, 74fip-, 77xfip-, 0.9war, 0.9war/65gms
* RP Garcia 73gms, 0.9ip/gm, 97era-, 78fip-, 73xfip-, 0.5war, 0.4war/65gms
* RP Cabrera 61gms, 0.9ip/gm, 95era-, 103fip-, 105xfip-, 0.2war, 0.2war/65gms
* RP Richards 56pa, 1.3ip/gm, 117era-, 97fip-, 89xfip-, 0.1war, 0.1war/65gms
* RP Green 12gms, 1.0ip/gm, 124era-, 61fip-, 76xfip-, -0.1war, -0.3war/65gms

Extra:

* RP Francis 20gms, 1.8ip/gm, 41era-, 88fip-, 97xfip-, 0.6war, 1.8war/65gms
* RP Jackson 25gms, 1.2ip/gm, 50era-, 96fip-, 100xfip-, 0.4war, 1.0war/65gms
* RP Pearson 35gms, 1.2ip/gm, 115era-, 111fip-, 118xfip-, -0.1war, -0.2war/65gms
* RP White 10gms, 1.3ip/gm, 168era-, 113fip-, 140xfip-, -0.2war, -1.0war/65gms
* RP Pop 15gms, 0.9ip/gm, 156era-, 145fip-, 93xfip-, -0.4war, -1.5war/65gms
* RP Cimber 22gms, 0.9ip/gm, 175era-, 171fip-, 125xfip-, -0.7war, -1.9war/65gms
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 07:54 PM EDT (#438145) #
Offseason In-Out Comps

* SP Stripling 22gms, 4.1ip/gm, 127era-, 124fip-, 91xfip-, -0.2war, -0.3war/32gms
* SP Bassitt 33gms, 6.1ip/gm, 85era-, 98fip-, 98xfip-, 3.2war, 3.1war/32gms

* RP Merryweather 69gms, 1.0ip/gm, 78era-, 81fip-, 82xfip-, 1.1war, 1.0war/65gms
* RP Swanson 69gms, 1.0ip/gm, 70era-, 80fip-, 89xfip-, 1.3war, 1.2war/65gms


* C Moreno 380pa, 102wrc+, 1.7war, 2.9war/650pa
* LF Varsho 581pa, 86wrc+, 2.2war, 2.5war/650pa

* RF Teoscar 678pa, 105wrc+, 1.7war, 1.6war/650pa
* DH Belt 404pa, 138wrc+, 2.3war, 3.7war/650pa

* LF Gurriel 592pa, 105wrc+, 2.1war, 2.3war/650pa
* CF Kiermaier 408pa, 104wrc+, 2.1war, 3.3war/650pa

* OF Tapia 169pa, 80wrc+, 0.1war, 0.4war/650pa
* C Heineman 47pa, 107wrc+, 0.3war, 4.1war/650pa



Catcher Comp

* Jansen 301pa, 116wrc+, 2.0war, 4.3war/650pa
* Heineman 47pa, 107wrc+, 0.3war, 4.1war/650pa
* Moreno 380pa, 102wrc+, 1.7war, 2.9war/650pa
* Kirk 422pa, 96wrc+, 1.7war, 2.6war/650pa
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 08:20 PM EDT (#438146) #

#BlueJays and Twins will play at 4:38 pm ET for Games 1, 2 and 3, if necessary. But if the Texas-Tampa series or Phillies/Miami series ends after two games, the Blue Jays will play their Game 3 at 3:08 pm ET

— Kaitlyn McGrath (@kaitlyncmcgrath) October 1, 2023
dalimon5 - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#438147) #
What is Alek Manoah thinking right now? Is he regretting not reporting/returning?
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#438148) #


* 2023: 89 wins, #5 AL, #9 MLB
* 2022: 92 wins, #4 AL, #8 MLB
* 2021: 91 wins, #6 AL, #9 MLB
* 2020: 86 win pace, #7 AL, #11 MLB
* 2019: 67 wins, #12 AL, #26 MLB
* 2018: 73 wins, #10 AL, #22 MLB
* 2017: 76 wins, #11 AL, #19 MLB
* 2016: 89 wins, #5 AL, #8 MLB
* 2015: 93 wins, #2 AL, #5 MLB
* 2014: 83 wins, #9 AL, #14 MLB
* 2013: 74 wins, #11 AL, #23 MLB
* 2012: 73 wins, #10 AL, #22 MLB
* 2011: 81 wins, #7 AL, #14 MLB
* 2010: 85 wins, #7 AL, #13 MLB
* 2009: 75 wins, #11 AL, #22 MLB
85bluejay - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 09:01 PM EDT (#438149) #
Wonder what the odds are that the Jays get shutout in both games?
dalimon5 - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#438150) #
Probably the same odds as Minny scoring two or fewer runs in all three potential games.
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 09:19 PM EDT (#438151) #
What is Alek Manoah thinking right now?

Happy for his teammates, while at a crossroads for his career.

John Northey - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 09:24 PM EDT (#438152) #
Manoah has a big winter ahead of him. He needs to figure out what went wrong and why this year, while figuring out how to make 2024 better. There is a very good chance he starts out in AAA as I fully expect the Jays to sign someone for the 5th starter slot rather than leaving it open for Manoah/Francis/whoever is ready.

Ideally he works hard all winter and comes into camp fitter than ever, knowing that if he blows it here he could be traded elsewhere and needs to step up to hold a ML job.
dalimon5 - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#438153) #
Any chance this FO brings Kikuchi and Ryu North to Minnesota?
John Northey - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#438154) #
Ryu will be on the taxi squad I suspect in case a starter gets hurt, Kikuchi I'd have in the pen if needed for long relief.
Katie - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#438155) #
Last year the Jays went 13-13 in the Wild Card round, disregarding a pinch-run/defense option in Bradley Zimmer in favour of the extra reliever.

The Jays did have Jackie Bradley on their roster, but Zimmer's sprint speed was noticeably faster that year and comfortably ahead of Whit Merrifield, who had the second-fastest.

This year I hope they make a different decision, particularly since they have both Kirk and Belt who both are prime candidates to be lifted for a pinch-runner.
soupman - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#438156) #
Berrios in a deciding game against his old team? Is that wise?

I would assume the book on a pitcher stays relevant longer. I looked it up: since he left Minny, he has surrendered the following run totals in his appearances against the Twins: 3,3,5,2, and most recently (and only appearance against his former squad this year) was a shutout through 5.2innings.

Based on that - I think I have more confidence that he's the right call, but I'll still be hoping the Jays get it done in two.
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 10:01 PM EDT (#438157) #
Not sure exactly what the Twins do but here's how they look vRHP this year:


* LF Wallner 206pa, 172wrc+
* DH Julien 355pa, 152wrc+
* 1B Kiriloff 260pa, 136wrc+
* C Jeffers 236pa, 131wrc+
* RF Kepler 392pa, 127wrc+
* SS Castro 275pa, 120wrc+
* 3B Solano 292pa, 118wrc+
* 2B Polanco 252pa, 115wrc+
* CF Taylor 276pa, 75wrc+

* OF Buxton 257pa, 110wrc+
* IF Farmer 237pa, 92wrc+
* IF Correa 444pa, 91wrc+
* C Vazquez 277pa, 54wrc+

* INJ: 3B Lewis 183pa, 164wrc+

well that's pretty terrifying, especially if Lewis makes it back. it might help that they really like using Vazquez at C even if he can't hit a lick. let's hope they keep him in the lineup.

maybe we should start Kikuchi.


vLHP

* DH Jeffers 94pa, 156wrc+
* CF Taylor 112pa, 146wrc+
* 2B Polanco 91pa, 128wrc+
* 3B Farmer 127pa, 119wrc+
* SS Correa 136pa, 115wrc+
* 1B Solano 152pa, 112wrc+
* RF Kepler 97pa, 108wrc+
* C Vazquez 76pa, 107wrc+
* LF Castro 129pa, 82wrc+

* OF Buxton 90pa, 65wrc+
* 1B Kiriloff 56pa, 37wrc+
* OF Wallner 46pa, 30wrc+
* UT Julien 48pa, 22wrc+

* INJ: 3B Lewis 56pa, 123wrc+

still pretty dangerous.
uglyone - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#438158) #
Twins are very right-heavy in the pitching department, with all-righty SP and mostly right RP too.
hypobole - Sunday, October 01 2023 @ 10:48 PM EDT (#438159) #
Wonder what the odds are that the Jays get shutout in both games?

You should PARLEZ to Jesse Pinkman for your answer.
dalimon5 - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 07:32 AM EDT (#438160) #
The Twins have mashed LHP in the 2nd half.

Side note, MLB.com has them with the 3rd best rotation after the Jays. Their 3 projected starters are all top 10 in xERA.

85bluejay - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 07:46 AM EDT (#438161) #
The Rangers apparently celebrated on Saturday when the clinched a playoff spot and looked it on Sunday when they were shutout and lost the division thereby forcing them to play in the WC games and on the road instead of opening the division series at home - When the Rays clinched their WC spot after loss to the Orioles, they waited until they won a game to celebrate. Says much about the organizational philosophies IMO.
greenfrog - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 07:59 AM EDT (#438162) #
I agree, and I think it's idiotic to get drunk two days before a key series, especially when you've essentially lost your way into a postseason WC spot. A drink or two is OK.

Jeff Passan: "AL: Twins over Blue Jays ... Between their postseason losing streak and the pathetic division they won, questions about the Twins will percolate -- and are warranted. But Minnesota has been surging, and the Blue Jays haven't shown enough to suggest they'll show up in October."

How dare he!
uglyone - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 08:15 AM EDT (#438163) #
For some reason the Twins have been able to make gausman wild. Only 3 times has gausman walked more than 3 guys this year and 2 of them came against the Twins. And he faced the twins both times when he was otherwise pitching pretty lights out in the first half.
Leaside Cowboy - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 09:29 AM EDT (#438165) #
The weather forecast for Minneapolis is quite favourable.

Tuesday will be sunny and 29 ° C / 84 ° F.

Wednesday will be partly cloudy and 20 ° C / 68 ° F.
Glevin - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 09:37 AM EDT (#438166) #
Not too many Qs about Jays roster but I would definitely not go with 13 pitchers like last year for a 3 game series. Kikuchi can go long in case of emergency or extra innings and I would add Francis instead of Richards as an emergency for same reason. Extra hitter is more valuable. In this case, I'd probably add Eden because he has such clear use case. Other players Jays might add don't really. Jays don't need defensive replacements as D is generally amazing and don't need pinch hitters as they don't have any terrible starting hitters, just a lot of mediocre ones. Kirk or Belt getting on base in a close game and Eden is a no doubter.
92-93 - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 09:40 AM EDT (#438167) #
Alternatively, the Rangers lost a 1-0 game to a starter (George Kirby) who also held the Astros scoreless in his previous start, also a must-win for his opponent. Did the Rangers pitchers that held the Mariners to a single run not drink?
greenfrog - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 09:53 AM EDT (#438168) #
Probably not to the point of intoxication.

If in 2023, with all the scientific knowledge we’ve accumulated, you think getting hammered on alcohol a day or two before you need to try to hit 97-100 MPH fastballs on the edges of the strike zone in a close ballgame, then I guess we’re going to have to disagree.
greenfrog - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 09:55 AM EDT (#438169) #
* is a good idea

(It probably wasn’t a good idea for Mickey Mantle either.)
Leaside Cowboy - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 10:00 AM EDT (#438170) #
The Twins' grounds-crew make ready Target Field.
92-93 - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 10:01 AM EDT (#438171) #
Ah, so only the Rangers hitters drank, and not the pitchers. Gotcha.

In reality, the narrative appears to be completely untrue.

Evan Grant, Rangers beat reporter for the Dallas Morning News: "I’m stating facts as a witness to what happened. To suggest they “partied” is wrong based on what we consider partying. And it was displayed like one team is an expert at how to “properly” celebrate and the other isn’t. That’s bullshxx."
Cracka - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 10:03 AM EDT (#438172) #
I think it's very likely that they go with 13 pitchers and a 4-man bench, just like last year... my guess is that both Francis and Eden make it, but Ryu and Davis Schneider are left off the roster. I think having another multi-inning option in addition to Kikuchi is essential given the change in the extra innings rule (no automatic runner in the post-season). There's an increased chance of a longer game and I'd feel safer with an extra bullpen arm instead of another bench bat. Which brings me to Davis Schneider... it's hard to leave him off the postseason roster, but it's either him or Espinal and I think they'll go with the hot bat & better defender. I'm making room for Cam Eden on the bench because of Kirk and Belt...
uglyone - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 10:19 AM EDT (#438173) #
* 1. RH Gausman
* 2. RH Berrios
* 3. RH Bassitt

* 4. RH Romano
* 5. LH Mayza
* 6. RH Swanson
* 7. RH Hicks
* 8. RH Green
* 9. RH Garcia
* 10. LH Cabrera
* 11. RH Richards
* 12. LH Kikuchi


* 1. SS Bichette
* 2. 1B Guerrero
* 3. DH Belt
* 4. RF Springer
* 5. 3b Chapman
* 6. C Kirk
* 7. CF Kiermaier
* 8. LF Varsho
* 9. 2B Biggio

* 10. UT Merrifield
* 11. UT Schneider
* 12. C Heineman
* 13. IF Espinal


#26 Man options

* LH Ryu
* RH Francis
* RH Jackson
* RH White

* PR Eden
* 1B Horwitz
* IF Clement
* OF Lukes


It's hard to believe a rested 9-man bullpen wouldn't be enough for a 3gm series, but i guess you never know if you get some crazy extra innings game.

And yeah a pinch runner would be very nice to have, with guys like Belt and Kirk on the team.

I'd probably go with just 12 pitchers, but I could understand if they still wanted 13. I'm not sure that Schneider would be the guy i'd drop though - there might be better arguments to drop Merrifield or Espinal.
greenfrog - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#438174) #
I never claimed that one scenario or another occurred. Just expressed my view that it would be dumb to get drunk a day or two before competing in the next series. If players are now adhering to a similar philosophy, as opposed to 92-93’s old school views, I’m pleased to hear it.
mathesond - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 10:35 AM EDT (#438176) #
Huh, I must have missed the comment where 92-93 recommended players get drunk a day or 2 before competing. Can you point me to it?
greenfrog - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 10:35 AM EDT (#438177) #
FG series preview:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/american-league-wild-card-preview-minnesota-twins-vs-toronto-blue-jays/
Glevin - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 10:39 AM EDT (#438178) #
Very hard to see a scenario where the Jays need a 13 man bullpen for 3 games. Everyone will be rested going into game 1. You'd need the series to go 3, have some injuries/terrible starting, and no starter going deep at all or a lot of extra innings. You can also just mitigate this risk by taking second long man (Francis) and then be able to carry extra hitter.
dalimon5 - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 12:52 PM EDT (#438179) #
** No bickering allowed until after the Jays are eliminated. ** I will abstain.
John Northey - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 02:03 PM EDT (#438180) #
Well, 3 out of 4 years in the playoffs. Only done from 1989-1993 when they made it 4 out of 5 years, ending in 2 WS wins of course. It'd be nice if they duplicated that, then avoided the 20 years of no playoffs afterwards. 1989 they faced a much stronger team in Oakland, 1991 they lost to the WS winning Twins, then 92/93 we all know.

So the Twins have not won a playoff game since their first playoff game in 2004 - 18 in a row lost. 2002 was the last time they won a playoff series (ALDS vs Oakland), their last WS title was in 1991. By any measure they have had a longer period of frustration than the Jays who last won a playoff game in 2016, now on a 5 game playoff losing streak, last won a series in 2016 (ALDS vs Texas), last won it all in 1993.

Tomorrow one of these 2 will see that losing streak end, unless rained out of course. No matter what one of them will finally win a series while the other keeps a streak of sadness going.
uglyone - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 02:03 PM EDT (#438181) #

FanGraphs is giving the Blue Jays a 57.5% chance of winning their wild-card series with the Twins.

That feels a point or two optimistic to me — but whichever way you slice it, it's about as promising a matchup as Toronto could hope for. pic.twitter.com/TcFUUENJRz

— Nick Ashbourne (@NickAshbourne) October 2, 2023
Mike Green - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#438182) #
BBRef has the odds for the Blue Jays as follows: 49.1% to defeat Minnesota, 22.8% to defeat Minnesota and Houston (hence 46.4% to defeat Houston), 10.2% to win the AL pennant (and hence 44.7% to defeat Baltimore, Tampa or Texas), and 5.4 to win the Wprld Series (and hence 52.9% to defeat the NL champ).

Home-field advantage likely plays a significant role in the Minnesota series odds for BBRef.
Mike Green - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 02:55 PM EDT (#438183) #
Sad to say but I really believe the best lineup for the Blue Jays has VGJ on the bench, Biggio at first base and Schneider at second base and Belt DHing. It isn't going to happen of course, as John Schneider decided, as most Managers would, that Guerrero Jr. was going to play and his September homers have sealed it.

85bluejay - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 03:14 PM EDT (#438184) #
If it's a 2 and out for the Jays again - would be 3rd in a row - I'm intrigued to see how the Rogers media properties spin it.
hypobole - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 03:14 PM EDT (#438185) #
If the games were at home, I might agree, both that Vlad should, but won't sit.

Vlad home: 238/324/391 99 wRC+
Vlad road: 289/364/494 137 wRC+

So league average hitter at home, 90th percentile hitter on the road.
uglyone - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#438186) #
Heat Check Lineups


Full Season

* DH Belt 404pa 138wrc+
* SS Bichette 601pa 125wrc+
* 1B Guerrero 682pa 118wrc+
* 3B Chapman 581pa 110wrc+
* RF Springer 683pa 104wrc+
* CF Kiermaier 408pa 104wrc+
* 2B Biggio 338pa 103wrc+
* C Kirk 422pa 96wrc+
* LF Varsho 581pa 86wrc+

* B UT Schneider 141pa 176wrc+
* B C Heineman 47pa 107wrc+
* B UT Merrifield 592pa 93wrc+
* B IF Espinal 254pa 80wrc+

* INJ C Jansen 301pa 116wrc+



2nd Half

* 2B Schneider 141pa 176wrc+
* DH Belt 171pa 161wrc+
* 3B Biggio 183pa 124wrc+
* C Kirk 195pa 118wrc+
* 1B Guerrero 298pa 117wrc+
* SS Bichette 199pa 109wrc+
* LF Varsho 231pa 100wrc+
* CF Kiermaier 167pa 100wrc+
* RF Springer 304pa 97wrc+

* B C Heineman 17pa 133wrc+
* B IF Espinal 120pa 91wrc+
* B UT Chapman 212pa 88wrc+
* B UT Merrifield 262pa 77wrc+

* INJ C Jansen 106pa 142wrc+




Last 30 Days

* DH Belt 25pa 172wrc+
* 1B Guerrero 108pa 139wrc+
* 3B Espinal 42pa 139wrc+
* LF Biggio 103pa 128wrc+
* RF Springer 120pa 107wrc+
* CF Varsho 83pa 104wrc+
* 2B Schneider 79pa 102wrc+
* C Kirk 89pa 98wrc+
* SS Bichette 95pa 98wrc+

* B C Heineman 17pa 133wrc+
* B OF Kiermaier 77pa 88wrc+
* B UT Chapman 61pa 75wrc+
* B UT Merrifield 75pa 6wrc+



Last 14 days:

* DH Belt 22pa 211wrc+
* SS Bichette 56pa 159wrc+
* LF Varsho 41pa 130wrc+
* 1B Guerrero 43pa 123wrc+
* 2B Espinal 10pa 116wrc+
* RF Springer 53pa 115wrc+
* 3B Biggio 54pa 106wrc+
* C Kirk 40pa 89wrc+
* CF Kiermaier 39pa 86wrc+

* B C Heineman 8pa 294wrc+
* B UT Chapman 47pa 80wrc+
* B UT Schneider 18pa 60wrc+
* B UT Merrifield 29pa 22wrc+



Last 7 days

* DH Belt 22pa 211wrc+
* SS Bichette 27pa 176wrc+
* CF Varsho 22pa 136wrc+
* 2B Biggio 26pa 117wrc+
* 3B Chapman 20pa 107wrc+
* C Kirk 20pa 105wrc+
* 1B Guerrero 22pa 82wrc+
* RF Springer 23pa 79wrc+
* CF Kiermaier 19pa 43wrc+

* B C Heineman 5pa 419wrc+
* B UT Schneider 6pa 250wrc+
* B IF Espinal 5pa 5wrc+
* B UT Merrifield 11pa -100wrc+



Combined Zips/Steamer projections going forward:

* 1B Guerrero 136wrc+
* SS Bichette 121wrc+
* RF Springer 118wrc+
* DH Belt 118wrc+
* C Kirk 114wrc+
* 3B Chapman 112wrc+
* 2B Schneider 108wrc+
* CF Varsho 103wrc+
* LF Biggio 101wrc+

* B C Jansen 111wrc+
* B IF Espinal 93wrc+
* B UT Merrifield 91wrc+
* B OF Kiermaier 90wrc+
* B C Heineman 79wrc+



clear as mud.

good luck to our manager trying to make the right calls here.

the only clear-ish decision here seems to be not to play Merrifield (or maybe not even roster him). So expect Whit to be the world series MVP this year.
92-93 - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#438187) #
I don't really see the dilemma. If you value defense, you start Varsho (which is what the Jays will do, rolling out the lineup from Friday night). If you value offense, you start Schneider.

Springer
Belt
Guerrero
Bichette
Biggio
Kirk
Varsho/KK
Chapman
Varsho/KK

Benching Vladdy, the team leader in walks, doubles, HR, and RBI, would be ridiculous. The game is not played on paper.

A far more convincing case can be made for starting Kikuchi over Berrios or Bassitt, considering how the Twins lean left and typically fare against LHP. Bassitt has bad numbers against the Twins hitters.
Mike Green - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#438188) #
If you want to make the argument, you can.  Guerrero Jr. has hit .285/.359/.518 on the road against RHP.  Cavan Biggio has hit .189/.296/.341 in the same situations.  Davis Schneider has hit .242/.375/.455 in these situations.  Schneider's sample size is, of course, very small.

There's a subjective element of course.  Why would Guerrero Jr. hit so much better on the road?  Is it because there is less pressure?  Does the same thing apply in the playoffs?  He hasn't hit much in the playoffs so far (2/17 with one walk and no XBH), but Barry Bonds didn't either for a while.  Anyways, Guerrero Jr. is going to play and we'll just hope for the best. 
John Northey - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 04:21 PM EDT (#438189) #
Well, if they go 0-2 again odds are something will happen - Schneider might be fired, the Jays might go all-in on Ohtani and Bellinger, there might be a big trade ala 1991 involving Vlad and/or Bo. Or they might stay put as the Jays did get 3 million fans, and in August were getting around 1.5 million viewers per game (National & Ontario) in 2022, sadly 2023 numbers aren't public anymore (Numeris has decided to start charging everyone for access to any data at all) but some did leak - in Spring Training the Jays were getting over 400k viewers for some games (vs Pirates for the opening game). Last years Wild Card got 5 million viewers and it is very, very safe to say that is #1 to the Rogers beancounters. Jays do well, Sportsnet does well = bigger bonuses for everyone. To croak a bit take a look at this chart...

That big column at the end? That is the Jays regular season ratings vs every other ML team. No one else cracks 250k per game, the Jays are over 800k. Think about that. Some teams got over $200 million (LAD) for local TV rights. The Jays get whatever Rogers sees fit to pass along. Basically the Jays have the revenue to be the highest payroll team in MLB if they want to between the crazy TV ratings and 3 million in attendance.

So yeah, the ownership should be perfectly happy with how things are going. Keep the team around 90 or so wins, get into the playoffs, if they win a round or two 'woohoo' mega profits. If they fail to make the playoffs then a big 'uh oh' happens. An 0-2 playoff might start souring the fanbase so if that happens I could see Schneider paying the price or the Jays deciding they need to make a big splash (Ohtani - these figures scream that they can afford his demands if they want to).
uglyone - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#438190) #
yeah in the end it's probably gonna be pretty straightforward.

the only guy that's lost his place in the lineup over the course of the year is Merrifield, losing it to Biggio.

Schneider obviously is a fascinating complication, but given his recent struggles and lack of track record, having him as the RH pinch hitter for the 1 or 2 LHRP the twins have is probably the right role.
Mike Green - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#438191) #
Vladdy has been an above-average hitter, who has played in 156 games and been in a part of the order where it is easy to amass RBI.  He has been terrible on the bases and bad in the field.  It's not "on paper", and very much a matter of seeing each player in their entirety.  

I hope that the Vladdy I saw at the end of the season, chasing pitches six to eight inches off the plate, is gone when the playoffs are here. On the plus side, he is running better than he was a month ago. 
John Northey - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#438192) #
FanGraphs has the Jays at 57.6% to win this round, 25.1% to get to the LCS, 13.9% to get to the WS, 6.0% to win it all. WS odds are 3rd in the AL behind Houston (19.1%) and Tampa (6.6%). The NL'ers over 6% are Atlanta (25.6%), LAD (14.7%), and Philly (6.2%). So 6th best odds of winning it all right now. Fingers crossed.
Kasi - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 04:36 PM EDT (#438193) #
Former ESPN and athletic writer Jim Caple passed away. Only 61 years old too.
dalimon5 - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#438194) #
My beef with Vladdy is having him as your clean up hitter. To me he is a very good option for #2 or #5 if you have a real clean up hitter.

For posters referencing the Twins ability to hit RHP...they have been one of the best line ups in baseball against left handed pitchers apparently since August.

Nigel - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 04:58 PM EDT (#438195) #
Whether Vladdy should or shouldn't sit, there is zero chance that he will and while I understand Mike's argument, you need to let one of the two centerpieces of the current version of the team play this hand to the end. A far less drastic, but perhaps more likely to happen, idea would be to push Biggio up into the clean up spot and move Vladdy to 5th. Since May 1 Biggio has an OBP of .369 and a wRC+ of 117.

Springer
Belt
Bichette
Biggio
Vladdy

You could also flip Biggio and Belt
greenfrog - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#438196) #
I’m looking forward to seeing how the lineup performs on 72 hours rest. I think we might see some good performances from the hitters (albeit tempered by the quality Minnesota pitching).
Mike Green - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 05:18 PM EDT (#438197) #
Call me old-fashioned, but I never thought of a player who was going to be gone by age 27 as a centerpiece. A centerpiece to me was a player who you would open the vaults so that you could keep him into his early-mid 30s. Ideally, he'd stay for his entire career.

Neither player nor team sees it that way in Vladdy's case. He's just the center of the club's marketing for 6 years. Thank you, next...
Nigel - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 05:24 PM EDT (#438198) #
Mike - that may well be true today of Vladdy; but you can't deny that this current roster and the timeline of spending in free agency over the past couple of years was built around the idea of having two star level players playing on pre-arb and arb eligible contracts in Toronto. That one of them today doesn't appear likely to be a "star" over the next few years doesn't really change the fact that I think you have to ride this roster construction through to its conclusion.
Mike Green - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 05:43 PM EDT (#438199) #
I don't actually buy that. The club is not stuck with its erstwhile centerpieces until free agency, and clubs will, from titime to time, trade them when things go sour. I don't think we are at that point with Vladdy.

I do think that the club will certainly field a lineup that is somewhat less likely to win. It reminds of Cito's decision to start Candiotti over Guzman in Game 1 against Minnesota in 1991. It probably wouldn't have made a difference but I felt then that the decision did noticeably affect their chances of winning that series. A little.
greenfrog - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 05:49 PM EDT (#438200) #
I like the idea of starting Schneider, but I’m not sure how the Jays would do this, once they’ve added Vladdy (has to be done), Belt and Biggio into the lineup. I also think it would probably put too much pressure on Schneider to start him in the field in a WC series.

Will the manager pinch-hit a RH bat (Schneider, Merrifield, Espinal) for one of the LHB against a lefty reliever? It will be interesting to see whether he does this, and, if so, which player he deploys in that situation.
Nigel - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 05:58 PM EDT (#438201) #
I guess we may be talking about two different things. I agree that they Jays could pivot this or next offseason from the fundamental roster construction that they've worked with for the past 2-3 years and deal one or both of Vladdy or Bo. I just think you play this hand to the end of these playoffs. This roster was built with Bo and Vladdy to be central characters - let's see how that plays out.
92-93 - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 06:06 PM EDT (#438202) #
It depends on the situation. If they're down a run and there's a runner on 3rd with 1 out, you go with Espinal vs. the lefty because you can't afford a strikeout from Schneider. If the bases are empty, it's Schneider for the XBH potential. And if Varsho is up and Duran is on the mound, are they going to let him face 102 MPH, or will they try Merrifield's shorter swing? Fascinating decisions lie ahead.
dalimon5 - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#438203) #
I think you're both right (Nigel and Mike). If this team had a stronger manager this situation could be easier to stomach. Example... Matt Chapman had one good month but has hit top 5 far too long in this line up. Finally he's batting 8th in the line up where his performance dictates he should be. I wish the manager had the ability to make this change after 1 or 2 months of dropped off performance.
99BlueJaysWay - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 06:51 PM EDT (#438204) #
More than 50% of playoff runs are scored via the home run, a trend that is only increasing.

Taking Vlad (the best home run hitter on the team) out of the lineup lowers the Jays’ odds of hitting home runs, and therefore lowers their odds of scoring runs in a playoff environment. This would give the Jays a lower chance of winning, not higher.
uglyone - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 06:56 PM EDT (#438205) #
Wait what is the argument to hit biggio in a more important spot than vladdy exactly?
John Northey - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 07:02 PM EDT (#438206) #
Lets be real - no way on earth any manager sits Vlad in the playoffs. Among players with 150+ PA Vlad is #3 in OPS+ (117) behind Bo (123) and Belt (136). Schneider does have that crazy 175 but it is split into his first 21 games (403/535/881 1.416) and the next 14 (102/200/225 425). That solid final game isn't anywhere near enough to make any manager feel safe putting him into the lineup right now outside of facing LHP.

Others with 110+ OPS+ are Clement (in minors), and Jansen (IL), then comes Chapman (108, mostly built up in April), Kiermaier (104) - both are among the best ever on defense at their positions. Springer had a tough year (102 OPS+) but healthy. Horwitz was at 102 (minors), Biggio 98 (all post May 22nd when he was at 127/191/238 429, since hitting 266/378/407 785). Merrifield at 94 who over the past 28 days hit a pathetic 121/200/155 355 (worse than Biggio early on). Kirk has had his issues (93 OPS+) but is all we have behind the plate (Heineman has a 129 but that is not to be trusted over just 37 PA). Varsho is at 86 but has been getting stronger as the season ended - 759 OPS past 28 days, 857 past 14, 868 past 7 - August & September his sOPS+ was 106 both months - with his defense that is great. Espinal is who he is, an 80 OPS+ after his all-star season, but his September was strong at 342/372/463 (43 PA) so he belongs on the roster. Eden is a runner/defense replacement only - he'll be Kirk & Belts runner who'll go into the OF if someone hits for Kiermaier or Varsho.

Clear roles for everyone - starters, Biggio at 2B, Schneider at DH vs LHP, PH for LH hitters when needed, Espinal also a PH if contact is needed, Heineman only gets in if Kirk is run for. Eden will be that runner. Clear roles, everyone should know theirs and plan accordingly.

The pen is pretty clear too. Romano closing, Hicks top setup, Swanson & Green for pressure situations pre-8th inning, Garcia to come in with runners on to get 1 or 2 outs. Mayza #1 LH specialist, Cabrera #2 LH. Long relief to Kikuchi (3+ innings needed) and Richards (1-2 IP) depending on how many innings needed. Francis should be on the trip just in case, same for Jackson if allowed (not sure on DFA rules) and Ryu (only if a starter is hurt and Kikuchi already pitched).
StephenT - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 08:05 PM EDT (#438207) #
fyi: The U.S. TV announcers for the Jays@Twins series are Michael Kay and Alex Rodriguez.
It might be possible to see that U.S. broadcast in Canada Thursday if Game 3 is moved to the 3:08pm ABC slot
(though last year the ESPN/ABC broadcasts were polluted with a ticker across the bottom of the screen all game).
Ref: https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2023/10/2023-mlb-wild-card-series-presented-by-hankook-tire-exclusively-on-espn-platforms/

(Sportsnet TV is doing its own Jays broadcast: DShulman, BMartinez, HMae.)

The Jays radio announcers will actually be at the road games this week (Ben Wagner and Chris Leroux).
greenfrog - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 08:14 PM EDT (#438208) #
Do we know who the umpiring crew is? It would be great to have some decent umpiring in the series.
dalimon5 - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 08:34 PM EDT (#438209) #
"Taking Vlad (the best home run hitter on the team) out of the lineup lowers the Jays’ odds of hitting home runs"

I just remember when he hit about 1 home run in a month this season or how it took 3 or 4 months to hit a HR off a lefty...
uglyone - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#438210) #
yeah makes sense.

Some observations from #BlueJays' workout day:
• looks like Jays will go big bench with Espinal, Davis Schneider & speedy Cam Eden
• Kevin Gausman officially starts G1. Beyond that, current order would be Berríos then Bassitt. We'll see if that holds
• A-Rod is here

— Ben Nicholson-Smith (@bnicholsonsmith) October 3, 2023
greenfrog - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#438211) #
Career pitching line at Target Field:

Berrios (67 games): 33-21, 3.63 ERA, 1.159 WHIP, 3.59 K/BB

Bassitt (6 games): 1-1, 6.23 ERA, 1.800 WHIP, 1.50 K/BB
The_Game - Monday, October 02 2023 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#438212) #
Big mistake not going with Kikuchi in game 2 given the LHBs who mash RHPs in that lineup.
Michael - Tuesday, October 03 2023 @ 02:49 AM EDT (#438215) #
People talking about not starting Vlad are crazy. Unless he injures himself, he's part of the best 9 players and clearly should be playing. Even if his true talent is lower and down like this year, that is still a positive output that makes the Jays better. 117 OPS+ is still well above average, there is only one Jay who is both a qualified hitter (enough PA) and has a higher OPS+ this year (Bichette with 123). If you add the non-qualified hitters you get Belt and Schneider (very small sample size, very polarized in best ever start and super cold recent). There's no world where Vlad doesn't crack the starting lineup, especially since if you want you can play all of Bichette, Belt, Vlad, and Schneider pretty easily in the same lineup (they aren't really competing with each other).
greenfrog - Tuesday, October 03 2023 @ 08:06 AM EDT (#438221) #
Thank you, StephenT.
bpoz - Tuesday, October 03 2023 @ 08:53 AM EDT (#438226) #
That is a great revenue/attendance chart John N. Rogers will not give that up easily. However they did not get that in 2019 I presume. Also 2020 & 2021 home games were played in Dunedin & Buffalo. Shapiro & Rogers understand that being competitive generates revenue.

The question is how do you stay competitive all the time?
dalimon5 - Tuesday, October 03 2023 @ 11:35 AM EDT (#438256) #
"Big mistake not going with Kikuchi in game 2 given the LHBs who mash RHPs in that lineup."

You're gonna eat your words...
bpoz - Tuesday, October 03 2023 @ 11:55 AM EDT (#438263) #
If we get a 5 run lead after 3 innings I will relax. Unless the Twins get to within 1 run.
Hodgie - Tuesday, October 03 2023 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#438305) #
That first inning felt like a microcosm of the season. The Jays get center-cut fastballs and either foul them off or pound them into the ground when not just taking them for strikes. But a Jays pitcher misses middle-in and the ball goes yard.
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