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I'm beginning to think that there's only so much a hitting coach can do.


Consider the Jays' last two hitting coaches. Cito Gaston preached aggressiveness - the ideal batter was to go up to the plate looking for a pitch in his zone, which he could then drive. You can see this approach in the Jays' 2000 stats, when Cito was in charge of the hitters: everybody and his grandmother was yanking balls out of the yard. Seven Jays hit 20 or more home runs that year, and the team's collective total was 244 big flies, a number which seems implausibly huge today.

Unfortunately, the American League pitchers, a wily lot, adapted to the Jays' strategy. Batters who are aggressive at the plate find it difficult to lay off bad pitches - it's the nature of the beast. Once the pitchers found out the Jays' hitters could be made to chase bad pitches, they started making them do that. The Jays' team OBP fell off 16 points to .325 in 2001, and their runs scored fell from 861 to 767.

Fast forward a couple of years. Mike Barnett, the Jays' current hitting coach, preaches patience at the plate. Work the hitter, foul off pitches, run up pitch counts, and either draw a walk or feast on the pitcher's mistakes. This approach worked like a charm for a while, as anyone who recalls last June's offensive explosion will happily recall. However, the worm has now turned once again: pitchers have now realized that the Jays' hitters are more likely to take pitches, so the pitchers are more willing to throw strikes. Once the hitter is behind 0-2, he is forced to swing defensively; the result is the abrupt decline in the Jays' home run totals. And it's harder to score runs with a bunch of singles.

The moral? I'm not sure there is one, other than that major league baseball is hard. Perhaps the best approach is a blending of the Gaston Method and the Billy Beane Approved [tm] Moneyball Method of hitting. Or perhaps the last word belongs to Stan Musial: if I remember correctly, when he was asked what his approach was at the plate, he replied that he simply waited for a strike, and then knocked the s*** out of it. Would that it were that easy!

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_Stan - Wednesday, May 19 2004 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#64676) #
Good ball players seem to have the ability to make adjustments when needed.
_Mark - Wednesday, May 19 2004 @ 08:41 PM EDT (#64677) #
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6327
It seems to me that both the "Gaston" and "Barnett" approaches are somewhat flawed in that it sounds like the hitter is mentally committing to a certain plan of action. Now, they obviously know a million times more about hitting than me (heck, I'm having a hard enough time hitting the ball out of the infield in my lob-ball league) but isn't the point to swing at good pitches inside the strike zone (unless your first name is Vladimir)? Laying off a fat 0-0 fastball in the name of plate discipline isn't going to help, it may be the best pitch to hit in the PA. We've all seen too many AB where they take the first few pitches and get into a 0-2 or 1-2 hole and are at the mercy of nasty pitches outside the strike zone.

I'm not saying that adjusting to and recognizing major league pitches is easy but I think that should be the focus (maybe it already is, I don't know).

As an aside, COMN for Vernon Wells' odd 2004 projection: 61 doubles & 77 walks! I just hope some of those doubles will turn into HR sooner or later.
_NDG - Wednesday, May 19 2004 @ 10:12 PM EDT (#64678) #
Was it yesterday's game that made you think about this Dave? Because it was exactly what I thought. Both Santana and the pitcher that can in after him kept throwing the Jays hitters fastballs down the middle, that pretty much every Jay took for strike one. The Jays were in more 0-2 counts yesterday than any team I've ever seen been in.
_George - Wednesday, May 19 2004 @ 11:04 PM EDT (#64679) #
As much as I disagreed with David Justice when he was ranting against the "Moneyball" offence the past two Wednesday afternoons, I do think he was making a good point when he was talking about the at-the-plate approach.

Simply put, Dave Justice thinks that teams like the Blue Jays are taking too many pitches, getting too often into the kind of holes that Dave T. is talking about.

Justice said that by wanting to get deeper into counts, hitters often don't swing at the best hitter's pitch he'll see in an AB (a 0-0 fastball). He certainly wasn't advocating a Damo Garcia/Vlad Guerrero swinging at everything approach, but instead the (seemingly obvious) approach of swinging at good pitches, no matter what the count. If the first pitch is a good one to hit, swing at it!

Looking at Justice's career numbers, it's clear that he had quite a good command of the strike zone -- 903 BB, 999 K in 5625 ABs, so having Dave Justice say he thinks you're taking too many pitches isn't quite the same as having Joe Carter tell you the same thing...
_Niles - Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 05:21 AM EDT (#64680) #
In his book on hitting, Ted Williams said he took the first pitch 99% of the time.
Mike Green - Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 09:43 AM EDT (#64681) #
I don't think that the strategy of trying to go deep into counts is the team's problem. The ones who have succeeded, Hudson and Woodward (each with more than 4 pitches/PA), have performed well. The others have simply not succeeded at it. Incidentally, as a team, the Jays are in the middle of the pack in this area.

Incidentally, I don't agree with the Musial philosophy of swinging at every strike. At 0-0, you want to swing at a pitch you can hit with confidence; some strikes you can and should pass on. Obviously the approach is different with 2 strikes.
Craig B - Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 09:50 AM EDT (#64682) #
It's not a bad idea if you have the plate coverage of Stan Musial. :) Even great hitters, though, usually fall well short of that.

(Musial's career numbers... 1599 walks, 696 strikeouts.)
_NDG - Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 10:04 AM EDT (#64683) #
I agree with Craig on this one (that's twice in two days, who would have thunk). I don't think comparing average major league hitters to Stan Musial and Ted Williams is valid in terms of batting strategy. Josh Phelps is another guy I don't like taking that first strike, since once he's in the hole, off-speed pitches eat him up.
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