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The Jays acquired Buck Coats from the Cincinatti Reds for a PTBNL or cash.

The left handed hitting Coats hit .303/.363/.435 for AAA Iowa this past season. He also played in 20 games, getting 34 ABs in Cincinnati. For the Reds he played 2 games in CF and 5 games each in RF & LF. He played all of his games in Iowa in the OF. However, in 2006 he also played 19 games at 2B, 5 games at 3B and 9 games at SS. From 2003-2005 Coats played most of his games at SS.

So given that Coats appears to have some versitility in both the infield and outfield and is a LH hitter he appears to be a fine candidate for the 25th player on the Jays next season.

Coats takes up the open spot on the Jays 40 man roster so it appears they might not be involved in the Rule 5 draft tomorrow afternoon.
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ayjackson - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 02:53 PM EST (#177097) #
Coats looks to be what Russ Adams dreams of being.
HollywoodHartman - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 02:56 PM EST (#177099) #
Just some OF depth for when we trade Rios. I hope.
PeteMoss - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 03:07 PM EST (#177102) #
Looks like he spent two years in Lansing back before they became a Blue Jays affiliate.  Perhaps some of our Lugnut fans have some insight into Coats?

Pretty weak power numbers if he's going to be a corner outfielder, although his versatility gives him lots of value as a bench player.

Ozzieball - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 03:25 PM EST (#177104) #
He's been suggested as a 5th outfielder, but if the Jays sign Lofton - which Mike Wilner suggests they are trying to do - Coats will likely begin in AAA.

On a related note, between Bucky Coats, Chris Demons, and Baron Frost the Jays are quickly assembling the best names in minor league baseball.

radiojay - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 03:43 PM EST (#177106) #
I watched Coats for the past two seasons here in Des Moines. He's got a nice swing and decent power...a lot of doubles as I recall. He was used almost entirely as an OF for the I-Cubs. I only recall a few games I saw where he played either 3B or 2B. I was surprised to see the Cubs release him, since he was a great hitter in 07 and always looked like the kind of player that could have a decent career as a role player in the bigs.
Malcolm Little - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 03:47 PM EST (#177108) #

How old is he again?

I still remember Dave Berg, 1B, RF, etc. I never stop loving JP's subsequent depth moves.

Grasshopper - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 04:00 PM EST (#177110) #
I Like this move by JP because it looks like Rios is going someplace. We dont need pitching that bad do we?
Chuck - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 04:13 PM EST (#177113) #
I Like this move by JP because it looks like Rios is going someplace.

While Rios does appear to be being dangled, I can't see that the acquisition of a 25-year old career minor leaguer means anything more than the acquisition of a 25-year old career minor leaguer.
Grasshopper - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 04:15 PM EST (#177114) #
Its a depth move yes. One that fills Linds spot in the minors because Lind would move to starting LF and the Reed + Stairs platoon moves to right. I didn't figure Coats would be starting in Right
ayjackson - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 04:17 PM EST (#177115) #

I agree with Chuck - this appears to have more to do with JP surveying the terrain heading into the Rule 5 draft and sensing his guy wasn't going to be available.

(I still prefer Mackowiak.)

Grasshopper - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 04:18 PM EST (#177116) #
The reason for my first post was to ask if Rios was worth any pitcher. Myself...I dont think it is worth trading him for Cain or Lincecum
Ozzieball - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 04:28 PM EST (#177117) #
The reason for my first post was to ask if Rios was worth any pitcher. Myself...I dont think it is worth trading him for Cain or Lincecum

You're probably alone in thinking that. Not only are both studly looking young pitchers, but they have an eternity before they hit FA so the Jays would be able to keep either one for almost free. Rios isn't a spectacular hitter, and his production could be maintained easily enough by upgrading in left field. His least replaceable skill is his defence, but getting Cain/Lincecum would more than make up for that.
Mylegacy - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 04:43 PM EST (#177119) #

On Rios: 24 homers in 650+ at bats. Lind had 11 in TO in 290 at bats. Rios was 297/354/498 (852) in TO - Lind was 299/353/471 (824) in AAA. A healthy Johnson platooning with Stairs in Right, Wells in CF and Lind in LF. I can live with it especially if we get a serious possible ACE.

On Lincecum, or Lineament or whatever his name is - When I watched the clip of him throwing, which was on this site yesterday, I was struck by his extremely long stride. In fact, I mentioned it to her that must be obeyed and she even looked at it - she knows when I mention something to do with baseball to her I must be especially desperate and on those occassions she usually takes pity and takes a look. INTERESTINGLY, on Blair's blog the Jays apparently think that because of his long stride he isn't putting the strain on his arm that many think. 

Just to see what it looks like:

Halladay

Burnett

Lincecum

McGowan

Marcum/Janssen/Litsch

Looks good to me!

Grasshopper - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 05:15 PM EST (#177120) #
You guys are nuts. Rios was our best hitter last year and I bet he hits better then any bluejay again next season. Taking him out of the lineup everyday for a player who plays every 5 games seems stupid to me. And Lincecum is going to get hurt with that crazy arm action. look at Chacin
Ozzieball - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 05:31 PM EST (#177122) #
taking him out of the lineup everyday for a player who plays every 5 games seems stupid to me.

Over those fives games Rios would see probably 25 PAs, which is less than pitcher will usually go through over a 7IP start. The fact that even Brian "Boof/Liriano/Nathan-for-Pierzynski" Sabean is balking at Rios-for-Lincecum straight up should give you an idea of how obviously good this guy is. As awkward as his delivery looks, he's got it down to a perfect art, and being able to perfectly repeat that delivery greatly drops his likelihood of injury. Comparing him to Chacin makes no sense, their deliveries are nothing alike, and Lincecum is also just better.
Lugnut Fan - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 06:17 PM EST (#177127) #

I had a chance to watch Coats for two seasons when he was in Lansing with the Cubs organization.  I love the kid, he is a great pick up.  He has a slight build, and has a really nice swing from the left side.  He is a good gap to gap guy.  He isn't going to put up big power numbers, but he will be a .290 to .300 hitter.

The Cubs tried some different things with Coats as far as his defense goes.  He has never projected to be a big power guy, so they experimented him playing short stop for awhile and that was a defensive disaster as he made over 50 errors in that position in Lansing and his defense there really never got any better.  He was moved back to the outfield out of necessisty, where his defense isn't bad, but isn't exactly the strong point of his game.

timpinder - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 06:23 PM EST (#177128) #

Jays are close on a one-year deal with Lo Duca.

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/wm/archives/2007/12/mets_armed_afte.html

timpinder - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 06:51 PM EST (#177130) #
I'm getting ahead of myself, but if the rumours are accurate and the Jays do aquire Lo Duca and Lofton (assuming a Rios trade), I think they're in good shape.  A strict L/R platoon of Zaun/Lo Duca at C and Lofton/Johnson at leadoff and in RF could be very effective.  It would also give the Jays a solid bench with Stairs, Scutaro and one of Zaun or Lo Duca and Lofton or Johnson.  The rotation would be as good as any in baseball with Halladay-Burnett-McGowan-Lincecum/Cain-Janssen/Marcum, and with the return of Ryan the bullpen would be scary good too. 
jeff mcl - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 08:48 PM EST (#177132) #
Kenny Lofton or Adam Lind in RF?  Defensively, pick your poison.
Chuck - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 08:54 PM EST (#177133) #
Lofton throws something like Bernie Williams and Mickey Rivers these days. No way he plays RF.
JB21 - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 09:01 PM EST (#177136) #

I'm assuming if the Jays deal Rios they will go after a short term free agent OF, such as a Milton Bradley type player.

Even though Rios is by far my fav position player Blue Jay I want this trade to go through b/c our pitching staff would instantly be one of the better in baseball, if not the best.

With Doc, McGowan, Lincecum, Marcum, AJ in the rot and Litch being our long man / 6th starter we have a STAFF, a pen with Casey, Jeremy and BJ at the back end of it is not the worst, and with our IF defense we will be okay. We obviously need Vernon and Overbay to give us some of their 2005 numbers and we need our offense to score at least a couple runs per game on the road, the last two seasons we have had our struggles on the road.

These last couple days have definitely gotten my attention.

Also, I like the LaDuca signing, Zaun is a solid catcher but in my opinion he is better suited to split time.

Denoit - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 09:20 PM EST (#177137) #

Agree signing LoDuca would be smart, our prospects can wait...or at least prove themselves before being given a full time spot. If not through injuries, then in september.

Also, would hate to see Rios go, and its not just his bat. I think we would miss his other tools the most. His bat could be replaced, Lind could put up close to the same numbers, but Rios has speed on the bases, turn doubles into triples, and can easily score from second base. He Defense would be incredibly hard to replace in right feild. He has a great arm, and in my opinon is the prototypical right feilder you need to have a competitive team.

jgadfly - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 09:46 PM EST (#177139) #

       Has any body seen Paul Godfrey ? He said he wasn't going to Nashville but someone commented that he really enjoys the intrigue of Winter Meetings... so why isn't he there ? ...Is he still in Canada?...

       In other possibly related news via ... http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/12/kosuke-fukudo-1.html ...which quotes Will Carroll in an update today at 5:09PM : ... "In a Baseball Prospectus chat today, Will Carroll said "Fukudome will decide today. Someone made a big offer." By that, Carroll means Fukudome will sign today."

       So, ... IF... Rios is traded wouldn't the Jays be saving $12M and wouldn't they be in need of someone who can play all three OF positions and hits somehere between Ichiro and Matsui and wouldn't JP have a smile on his face outbidding the Cubs and the Royals ... not that JP is that kind of a guy ... Oh !  Well maybe ?

ANationalAcrobat - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 09:55 PM EST (#177140) #
Fukudome is an excellent idea for Toronto: if Rios does indeed get traded, a small chunk of cash gets freed up. Addtionally, replacing the righty (Rios) with a lefty (Fukudome) would help balance out the lineup. Fukudome is an OBP machine who has shown good pop in the past, though his power numbers were down in '07. Media attention from Japan can only help us as well.
Ozzieball - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 09:55 PM EST (#177141) #
Fukudome is in line for a deal that isn't very attractive to the Jays financially right now.

Also, Riccardi had LoDuca's agent and a deal didn't get done. Rotoworld suggests that LoDuca is still looking for 5M and Riccardi still is holding strong at 2.5M. Remember that the Jays aren't really after him, he wants to come here. According to Sportsnet, LoDuca called Gibbons back in November.

Chuck - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 10:02 PM EST (#177142) #
Media attention from Japan can only help us as well.

How?
ANationalAcrobat - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 10:24 PM EST (#177144) #
Have you ever noticed how many Japanese advertisements there are in Fenway Park and Yankees Stadium? I have to believe there are some extra seats going to be sold as well.
jgadfly - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 10:30 PM EST (#177145) #
...Ahh Grasshopper...  perhaps you should know better than anybody ... and I suppose you would rather have Cain over Lincecum ?  ... tread lightly !
HollywoodHartman - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 10:38 PM EST (#177147) #

McCleod paints a more optomistic spin on signing Lo Duca. He also goes into great detail to say that SF still hasn't decided.

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071205.baseball06/GSStory/GlobeSportsBaseball/home

jgadfly - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 10:42 PM EST (#177148) #
" Fukudome is an OBP machine "... career average is .395 OBP which would help. I can't find how many SB's he has but I presume he is fast enough if he played CF over Ichiro in the WC for Japan.
ANationalAcrobat - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 10:54 PM EST (#177151) #
Gadfly, you can find all of Fukudome's numbers here. Over the last three years, his OBPs are 430, 438, 443 (last number was in 348 ABs). He's not much of a basestealer.
melondough - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 11:01 PM EST (#177152) #

A bit off topic but from this quote I now certainly realize where so many Yankee fans get their arrogance from.  It starts from the top.....

We have a lot of good young pitching in the minors better than anybody, I guarantee you, Steinbrenner said. Weve got the best young pitching in the majors and in the minors. Its not even close. Its pretty obvious, and were not the only ones who think so.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/06/sports/baseball/06yankees.html?ref=sports

Actually I would rather have Boston's young pitchers and quite frankly after Hughes and Chamberlain (both in the majors)they don't have the best pitchers in the minors - or am I wrong?  Also, it's interesting Hank doesn't brag about their up and coming hitters, probably b/c they don't have many.

subculture - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 11:01 PM EST (#177153) #
I can live with trading the Jays best position player for a likely future ace pitcher, but really need to understand the plan then on how the Jays will ever score enough runs to beat good AL teams.

What kind of lineup are we looking at?  I liked Rios at any of the top 3 spots in the lineup, but can't think of a single other Jay that I feel really belongs up there.

Sure Wells should rebound but never hits righties well... Thomas, Glaus are 4-5 guys... Hill and Johnson are OKAY but also somewhat weak against righties... Zaun, Lind, JMac, Overbay, Stairs... none of them are really top 3 lineup guys.  Trade RIos and all the Jays hitters IMO are really 4-9 hitters, especially against righties... I know we don't have a fast team, but without Rios we're a PLODDING team.

Our pitching better get shutouts against every RH pitcher, b/c we're not going to score any runs on them!  Can we get Podsednik, and will he be good again?  Fuko??? would be awesome... b/c I have this theory that the more diverse a team is in makeup (of course talent is required too), they somehow create better chemistry and win more games than expected (only half-serious here, but it seems to happen often).

parrot11 - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 11:14 PM EST (#177154) #
It might just be me, but in terms of japanese players, pitchers seem to rarely repeat success while position players have a much better chance of translating their overseas success to North America. So, I'm all for pursuing Fukodome if Rios does indeed get traded.
melondough - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 11:15 PM EST (#177155) #

The latest news re: Lincecum and Rios from http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071205&content_id=2319216&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp

"Having talked with J.P. Ricciardi on Wednesday, Sabean said that he probably won't negotiate further with his Blue Jays counterpart before the Winter Meetings conclude. This leaves the Giants free to continue their debate, which Sabean said will be made in concert with his baseball operations staff."

"It's still alive," Sabean said on Wednesday of the potential deal.

But without naming Lincecum, Sabean acknowledged that the Giants are still examining the merits of trading a 23-year-old with Cy Young Award-winning talent for a 26-year-old who's already a two-time All-Star. The Giants would love to maintain their starting rotation as is, but after finishing last in the National League West and ranking close to or at the bottom of most major offensive categories, they realize that they might have to take drastic measures to upgrade their offense.

"It's unique because of the principals involved," Sabean said. "That's what's compelling about it."

slitheringslider - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 11:16 PM EST (#177156) #
Here is an interesting idea, although the likelihood is slim. According to mlbtraderumors.com, Bonds still wants to play. I know he is not much of a fielder any more, but if Bonds plays left, Wells in center, Johnson can more than hold his own in right. Bonds could be had probably for about $10mil or less in a one year deal. Despite his reputation and baggage, his offence will definitely benefit the team no matter how slow he is. I personally am not a Bonds fan, but from a purely competitive standpoint, Bonds will help us more than anyone else in the FA market.
Ozzieball - Wednesday, December 05 2007 @ 11:17 PM EST (#177157) #
they don't have the best pitchers in the minors - or am I wrong?

Well Tampa Bay currently has the best pitching in the minors, but that will likely change as a lot of them start making the jump to the majors these next few years. After them the Yankees might have the best pitching in the minors. Horne/Betances/Brackman/Sanchez are the ones that come to mind immediately. The Yankees broke the draft, and have been making the equivalent of 3-5 1st round quality picks for a few years now. This also lets them pay a premium on expensive high-risk-high-reward players like Joba. The Red Sox were a year or two behind the Yankees in realizing that they can spend 10M on the draft and break baseball.

But on your other point, yes Hank Steinbrenner should probably not speak. He's like an air raid siren of annoying.
R Billie - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 12:42 AM EST (#177158) #

I don't understand why more teams aren't "breaking the draft".

Teams will spend $2.5M on a Paul LoDuca who put up a sub .700 ops to be a backup catcher but they won't spend that on a sandwich or second round pick or even a 39th round pick who slides because of signability concerns?  I just don't get it.

Why would you rather spend $10M on guys who are the 20th to 25th guy on most teams but not on prospects who could be legit impact players down the road?  Until MLB installs proper slotting restrictions, it makes absolutely ZERO sense not to break slot if the talented player is worth it.

It's doing exactly the same thing as overpaying for the best talent on the free agent market only on a much smaller scale.  The Jays don't mind spending $80M to $90M+ to finish third but they won't break slot on prospects who are worth it?  Meanwhile the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, and Tigers are loading up their minor league systems as well as their major league rosters.

I don't understand how it can be justified to spend so little on the draft.  I'll say again...Paul LoDuca...at least $2.5M for a completely unspectacular backup catcher.  Joba Chamberlain...41st pick in the draft...but it's only a $1.1M signing bonus.  Yes it breaks slot, but who would you rather break slot for?  The prospect who can be a star or the major leaguer who will give you replacement level performance for far more money?

If enough teams, including the mid-to-small markets start decreasing their expenditures on low-level veterans and start increasing their expenditures on the draft, both MLB and the Player's Association will begin to seriously consider hard slot restrictions which would put an end to all of this nonsense.  A draft should be a draft...players go to the teams of greatest need.

Mylegacy - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 01:02 AM EST (#177159) #

As reported above - SF is going to have a group think about the Rios / Lincecum quandry. I think the GM is going to be on the "lets do this" side of the discussion. I think it gets done.

On LoDoca, against lefties he hit : 341/376/500 (876) with 4 of his 9 homers in just 126 abs. Against lefties, Zaun hit: 290/391/406 (797)  - Against righties LoD hit: 245/285/329 (614) and Zaun hit: 229/327/412 (759) While they both hit better against Lefties - LoDoca hit for more power against lefties and Zaun hits with more power against righties. Looks like a fit(ish).

Johnson/Stairs, Hill, Wells, Thomas, Glaus, Overbay, Zaun/LoDoca, Lind and JMac ----- for this to work Thomas and Glaus have to have at least one good year left, Wells and Overbay have to be healed and Hill and Lind both have to be ready. Chances of all that happening? 40%(ish) I would think. With a starting pitching staff of: Halladay, Burnett, Lincecum, McGowan and Marcum and a bullpen of: Ryan, Accardo, Janssen, Wolfe (a VERY underrated guy), League, Downs and Tallet, I think we'll be a contender.

Axil - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 01:03 AM EST (#177160) #
Is a Shawn Green signing out of the question?
timpinder - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 01:12 AM EST (#177162) #
I don't see the Jays going for Fukudome.  They'd have to make a multi-year offer for a considerable amount of money, and the move would block either Snider or Lind.  Snider is on the war path, and based on Lind's minor league numbers, he could probably hit .275/.335/.460 or better in the majors right now.  I'd rather see the Jays sign someone like Green to a one or two year deal.
Jacko - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 02:18 AM EST (#177165) #
Coats sounds like a Frank Catalanotto clone.  Lefthanded, gap power, good patience.  Sounds like a decent guy to have as a 5th outfielder.

However, if the Jays move Rios for pitching, they probably have more use for a righthanded bench outfielder than a lefthanded one...

Spifficus - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 03:02 AM EST (#177166) #
If Rios does get dealt to SF, I think Milton Bradley could be a good target.

He'll likely only want one year (about 5 million seems to be the speculation) to rebuild his value. He's a switch-hitter who gets on base and hits for moderate power (in pitcher's parks over the past 4 years). It looks like his ACL could be fine for opening day, and Lind insulates the Jays against further injury. If his attitude proves to be unmanageable he can be cut loose without too much loss compared to other options, though since some of his issues stem from perceived racism, the presence of two other prominent African American players might help.

I love the speculation and the endless games of dominoes that run rampent this time of year.

parrot11 - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 03:07 AM EST (#177167) #

I'm not sure if this has been raised, but if Rios does indeed get traded, should the Jays make a play on Geoff Jenkins (RF)? I have no idea how good his defense is in RF, but he's a lefty bat who hits .800+ OPS on a regular basis. He's would be great as a platoon player because he crushes RHP. The only thing that worries me is his K rate, although that's greatly mitigated in a Jenkins/Johnson platoon. His career stats vs RHP is .288/.358/.883 with a 23.3% K rate.

Another guy that I would look at is Luke Scott (RF) who is basically squeezed out of a spot thanks to Ed Wade. He too hits RHP very well. Like Jenkins, I have no idea how good his defense is, but he's a lefty bat. His splits aren't as dramatic, but he's just as capable in hitting RHP. His career stats vs RHP is .276/.364/.898 with a 22.5% K rate.

Wilner also suggested a look at Jeff Keppinger (SS/2B/3B) of the Reds who has seen his role diminished, but has statistically hit well and is almost impossible to strikeout (a 6% career K rate). He'll take a walk, lay down a bunt, but doesn't have much pop.

TamRa - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 04:17 AM EST (#177169) #
in all this talk of platooning, am I the only one how notices that Zaun is notably stronger vs LHP and that's pretty much the only thing Lo Duca can hit?

I sometimes think I'm the only Jays fan on earth that thinks throwing millions after Lo Duca is a horrendus waste of money better spent elsewhere.

Heck, gambling on Felipe Lopez to get his act back together would be a better investment.


brent - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 04:47 AM EST (#177170) #
I am just really glad to see JP out there going for a power arm. JP has done well over the years building up the quality of players on the big league club. He needs to take the next step and build a contender. If he can't get on a roll with trades and has to take the current team into the season, I want to see some players unloaded at the deadline if they are not in contention. I still think that now is the time to move Burnett if a deal that is reasonable comes along. It doesn't have to blow us away. To reiterate from previously, JP has to go out and establish himself as a top 10 GM out there with all of the new ones on board. Names being thrown around like Lo Duca and Lofton are not impressing me unless we are collecting those power arms.
Chuck - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 08:07 AM EST (#177172) #

I'm not sure if this has been raised, but if Rios does indeed get traded, should the Jays make a play on Geoff Jenkins (RF)? I have no idea how good his defense is in RF, but he's a lefty bat who hits .800+ OPS on a regular basis.

I think you mean OPS, not OPS+.  He's posted an 800 OPS exactly once in the past four years. In the past six years, he's exceeded an OPS+ of 103 only twice (an OPS+ of 103 is below average for a corner outfielder).

And he's 33-years old and will turn 34 mid-next season. And he's looking to make $10M a year. Not good value for the money.

jeff mcl - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 09:55 AM EST (#177174) #
Bochy might have had a sobering moment during his roundtable with reporters when asked who would be his 3-4-5 hitters among his current choices. He named Randy Winn, Bengie Molina, Ray Durham, Rich Aurilia and possibly Nate Schierholtz.

http://www.mercurynews.com/giants/ci_7648463?nclick_check=1

Bengie Molina as your cleanup hitter?   This is a club that should be jumping all over the opportunity to add someone like Alex Rios, but if they're still so crippled by indecision I just don't see it getting done.
tstaddon - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 10:50 AM EST (#177178) #
Can someone tell me what the difference between Kenny Lofton and Scott Podsednik is? You know, besides 6 years and probably $3M annually? Want to get a table-setting platoon-mate in the event that Rios gets traded? He's a mid-career Jacoby Ellsbury without the hype (and, admittedly, some of the batting average). Why is no one else intrigued by this guy?
Squiggy - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 11:04 AM EST (#177183) #
This is a club that should be jumping all over the opportunity to add someone like Alex Rios, but if they're still so crippled by indecision I just don't see it getting done.

In fairness, it's only been a couple of days, and I'd be crippled by indecision too. That is a big, big move - trading a young, potential franchise cornerstone pitcher is something that would be tough for any GM, nevermind one that made the infamous AJ Pierzynski move discussed earlier. I hope the Jays get Lincecum, but if I were Sabean I would not do it. I think Rios production is much easier to find in the FA market than the potential of Lincecum.

ayjackson - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 11:37 AM EST (#177190) #

I think you mean OPS, not OPS+.  He's posted an 800 OPS exactly once in the past four years. In the past six years, he's exceeded an OPS+ of 103 only twice (an OPS+ of 103 is below average for a corner outfielder).

To be fair, Chuck, he didn't say OPS+,  he said .800+ OPS.  Also, he may have been referring to his OPS in a platoon role.  His three-year OPS versus righties is a very healthy .869. 

jeff mcl - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 11:42 AM EST (#177193) #
Sabean initiated talks for Rios with JP, not the other way around, no?
Paul D - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 11:49 AM EST (#177195) #

Lofton knows how to get on base, Pods, (for the most part) doesn't.   Lofton's career OBP is .372, versus .338 for Pods,.

Dewey - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 12:26 PM EST (#177199) #
Is a Shawn Green signing out of the question?

I sure hope so.  Green couldn't keep right field for the Mets, why should he be able to do so for the Jays?

He doesn't field well at all any more, nor hit worth his salary.  Let him be.
Chuck - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 12:40 PM EST (#177204) #
Why is no one else intrigued by this guy?

For starters, his career line of 272/338/377, during which time the league average OBP was 340. So the one predominant skill he'd need as a "table setter" is one that he's only average at. And then factor in that sub-400 SLG from a corner outfielder and, well, yuck.
ComebyDeanChance - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 06:37 PM EST (#177235) #

JP has done well over the years building up the quality of players on the big league club.

 

That is truly one of the most remarkable statements I've read lately on the internet.

 

 

vw_fan17 - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 08:23 PM EST (#177240) #
WillRain: in all this talk of platooning, am I the only one how notices that Zaun is notably stronger vs LHP and that's pretty much the only thing Lo Duca can hit? I sometimes think I'm the only Jays fan on earth that thinks throwing millions after Lo Duca is a horrendus waste of money better spent elsewhere. Heck, gambling on Felipe Lopez to get his act back together would be a better investment.

WR, just wanted to state my opinion on this matter. I don't think you're the only one. On the other hand, think back to 2006: Molina ALSO hit LHP better than RHP. Yet, I think most people would agree overall, that the combo was better than just Zaun alone.

Expecting Zaun to hold up for 162 games at this point of his carerr is lunacy. Heck, I'll bet Thomas plays more games than Zaun next year. What's the backup plan? Fasano? Who can't hit RHP or LHP?

So, I think the plan with Lo Duca goes (or should go) something like this: start Zaun against most RHP (who he hits ok), and LoDuca against LHP. That way, you get very good hitting against LHP and ok against RHP, while giving Zaun much-needed rest for 30-40 games. Plus, we can pinch-hit for Zaun, Zaun can pinch-hit for others, etc.

Lifetime (http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=loducpa01&year=00), he has an OPS of 721 vs RHP, 837 vs LHP. So, we can even let him bat against RHP and Zaun feast on the LHP without reducing ourselves to Fasano/Phillips-esque levels of sinkholishness.

If Zaun goes down for 50 games again, we're not totally dead in the water. Compared to say Thigpen's 581 OPS over 100 AB.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm way off base with any of my ideas/assumptions.

VW
Grasshopper - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 09:21 PM EST (#177247) #
Good call volkswagen fan.  Lo Duca Is a great pick up. We were good with Bengi backing us up and this would be the same thing... Kinda
Ryan Day - Thursday, December 06 2007 @ 09:44 PM EST (#177249) #
Zaun and LoDuca would actually make a pretty decent combo, even though it's not hugely useful as a platoon. They both tend to wear down - just look at their 1st/2nd half splits most seasons - so, in theory, you could split the job almost 50/50 and keep them both productive.
Noah - Friday, December 07 2007 @ 12:28 PM EST (#177279) #
tsn is reporting that the Jays sent Justin James to the Reds to complete this trade....

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/news_story/?ID=224605&hubname=

scottt - Friday, December 07 2007 @ 04:18 PM EST (#177294) #
Lo Duca and Zaun could have a healthy competition in the first half of the season. Lo Duca might fetch something in a trade after that.

So Coats and Russ Adams will fight for the 3B backup job?

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