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Gregg Zaun gives his explanation, by way of the National Post, on how his name wound up in the Mitchell Report. 

According to Zaun, he issued a blank cheque to former Royals teammate Jason Grimsley to cover a basketball bet.  Grimsley apparently sent that cheque to former Mets clubhouse attendant Kirk Radomski to buy steroids.  Zaun maintains he has never used performance-enhancing drugs. 

So, Bauxites, in the wake of the Clemens-McNamee fiasco, are you buying this?

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jeff mcl - Friday, February 15 2008 @ 04:54 PM EST (#180076) #
I'm generally skeptical of most things, but for the low dollar figure involved here I'm willing to accept this as a plausible explanation for the cheque in question.  Especially considering that it's not entirely in his handwriting.  The delay in responding?  The immediate rebuttal tack didn't work out too well for Paul Byrd, as we all know.  I'd also bet Zaunnie took his time to mull this over before talking to the press because an improper press strategy could very easily wreck his future in broadcasting, which must be weighing pretty heavily on a guy who made relatively little as a player.  In any event, it's probably going to be impossible for him to fully rehabilitate his reputation no matter what he says or does. 



dstevens14 - Friday, February 15 2008 @ 05:13 PM EST (#180078) #

The mitchel report

Gregg Zaun

Gregg Zaun is a catcher who has played with seven teams in Major LeagueBaseball since 1995, the Baltimore Orioles (parts of 2 seasons), Florida Marlins (parts of3 seasons), Texas Rangers (1 season), Kansas City Royals (2 seasons), Houston Astros (parts of 2 seasons), Colorado Rockies (part of 1 season) and, most recently, the Toronto Blue Jays(4 seasons).Radomski believed that Jason Grimsley referred Zaun to him when they both played for the Royals in 2001. Someone else (Radomski could not remember who) called and98 See supra at 106-08.399 Redacted Affidavit of I.R.S. Special Agent Jeff Novitzky, sworn to on May 31, 2006,ordered steroids for Zaun. Although Radomski never spoke to Zaun about the transaction,Radomski received a check from Zaun for the steroids. Radomski produced that check, a copyof which is included in the Appendix and is shown below.Radomski confirmed the payment was for Deca-Durabolin and Winstrol. He also stated that he sent the drugs to Zaun at the Kansas City Royals clubhouse. The address for the Royals ballparkwas found in Radomski’s address book. statement that he sold steroids to Zaun is not the only allegation ofuse by Zaun. As discussed earlier in this report, in September 2002 Luis Perez, a bullpen catcher the Montreal Expos, was arrested for possession of a pound of marijuana. In January 2003,he was interviewed by investigators from the Commissioner’s Office.400 Perez told those nvestigators that he had personally supplied anabolic steroids to Zaun and seven other major league ball players.Tony Muser, Kansas City’s former manager, recounted an incident in which Zaun denied steroid use. According to Muser, while he was managing the Royals he once discusseddangers of performance enhancing substance use with Zaun while the two were sitting on the400 See supra at 99-101.bench before a game. Specifically, Muser told Zaun the story of how Don Rowe, a pitching coach for Muser in the minor leagues, had used steroids and developed serious health problemsas a consequence. Muser explained to Zaun that he was not accusing him of steroid use, and Zaun denied any such use.In order to provide Zaun with information about these allegations and to give  him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined

JohnL - Friday, February 15 2008 @ 05:14 PM EST (#180079) #

From the interview:

NP: Have you ever used a performance-enhancing substance that is now on MLB's banned list?
GZ: I have never violated MLB's drug policy or failed any drug tests.

I think that translates to "Yes (before they were banned)"

Mick Doherty - Friday, February 15 2008 @ 05:17 PM EST (#180080) #

So, Bauxites, in the wake of the Clemens-McNamee fiasco, are you buying this?

Yes. Er, no. Maybe. Honestly? I soooo do not care about the individual excuses or explanations, even quasi-legitimate ones like this.

I think the real harm to the game comes in the hundreds of thousands of grade-schoolers out there right now who might well have become huge baseball fans who are now less likely to (I won't say "won't ever") because the sport has essentially positioned itself to be taken as seriously as the ECW or some other caped wrestling hoo-hah. That's truly sad.

No, I am NOT advocating "Bud was right" in ignoring/carpet-sweeping all this for years. Cheaters should be punished. But in front of the United States Senate and House??? Give me a flippin' break. The number of "Daddy used to root for that bad man who is lying to Congress" conversations that are taking place right now, developing a generation of "I won't be fooled like daddy was" kids-not-fans ... that should (and I'm sure does) scare the living crap out of Baseball's Old Boys.

Chuck - Friday, February 15 2008 @ 05:53 PM EST (#180081) #

Mick, I am concur with your position.

A question for the panel: remind me again why the NFL gets a pass when it comes to scrutiny over steroids?

My one pet theory is that there are no vaunted statistics in the sport. This year, the records for passing TDs and receiving TDs were broken. I think the record for rushing TDs was broken within the last couple of years. I'm not sure I could recite who has had a 2000-yard rushing season (akin to hitting 60 homeruns, I would think). I don't think anyone really cares about NFL records, though. It's all about the rings, baby. Or maybe not even. It's all about the betting, baby. Greyhounds. Jai Alai. NFL. All peas in a pod.

On the other hand, breaking Roger Maris's record is a big deal (and just think of the grief Maris endured having the temerity to break Ruth's record). Surpassing Maris's high-water mark several times is a big deal. Breaking Hank Aaron's record is a big deal.

clark - Friday, February 15 2008 @ 07:12 PM EST (#180082) #

jeff,

Not to nitpick because your post has some good points, but Zaun`s career earnings will jump to over 14 million dollars after this season.  Hopefully that`s not a guy who`s losing sleep over his future income potential.  I don`t care how much breakfast he likes to buy!

CaramonLS - Friday, February 15 2008 @ 08:47 PM EST (#180083) #

I simply can't believe Zaun.  Sorry man.  You've had 2 months now to get your story straight and find out if there was any smoking gun evidence (which is what Clemens should have done) - otherwise you wouldn't have waited this long to come out and deny.  I really wish he would have admitted this and attributed it to his substance abuse problems or w/e and admit he made a mistake.  Instead, in the months before this came out, he did everything he could to go after Bud Selig and Mitchell to try to denounce these reports and this "witch hunt".

The story itself seems way too out there (who gives someone a blank cheque unless you aren't sure who to make it out to?).  As much as I'd like to believe this, and as much as I love Zaun, this seems fake.  Make he is a victim of circumstances, but who knows.

budgell - Friday, February 15 2008 @ 09:14 PM EST (#180085) #

After reading the article today I was all ready to post about how Zaun was just buying time to come up with a plausible explanation and how anyone who was truly innocent would not pass up the first opportunity to prove it...and then I read jeff mcl's post.  Some fine (and equally plausible) points there.

But too much smoke there to deny the fire, and perhaps more importantly...aarrgggh I don't care anymore!  One of the things I've always loved about baseball are the stats and as much as I hate the fact PEDs have permanently destroyed any meaningful comparison of records and eras (and e.r.a.s), the strikes didn't kill my love of the sport, nor will this.

I suggest an arbitration-like poll, the outcome of which all bauxites must accept.  "Should all future mention of PEDs etc in any thread result in the immediate admonishment and or banishment of the poster?" (suggested only slightly tongue-in-cheek). 

Things I do care about....the day pitchers and catchers report should be a national holiday (Nova Scotia still does not have a holiday in February and "Spring Training Day" sounds a hell of a lot better than "Family Day".  Family day!  What kind of f***ed-up Republican holiday is that?)... got tickets to Yankees-Jays in Tampa 3/22 and will definitely not be reporting back on any players who have gotten noticeably larger in the off-season.

Mick Doherty - Saturday, February 16 2008 @ 12:02 AM EST (#180086) #
definitely not be reporting back on any players who have gotten noticeably larger in the off-season.

Well, I hope you WILL let us know if, for instance, it looks like Alex Rios has been eating nothing but backon cheeseburgers or David Eckstein bough stock in Diary Queen.
CaramonLS - Saturday, February 16 2008 @ 12:54 PM EST (#180090) #
You know they have a copy of the cheque in the Mitchell Report.  Rather interesting that it is arguably the worst photocopy job in the history of mankind and there is no way to tell anything about it.
G Baier - Saturday, February 16 2008 @ 07:11 PM EST (#180094) #
Yahoo News has a gallery of Spring Training photos posted.



Craig B - Saturday, February 16 2008 @ 09:21 PM EST (#180098) #
The handwriting on the Zaun cheque in the Mitchell Report is obviously Grimsley's.  The copy is bad but it's not that bad... put the Zaun cheque and one of Grimsley's side by side and it's clear that it's Grimsley's handwriting.
Lefty - Saturday, February 16 2008 @ 09:47 PM EST (#180099) #

The quality of the photocopy isn't an issue.  Zaun isn't claiming this is a frame-up. Just a mis-understanding.

Clemens lawyers might though.

To me his reputed leadership of the team ought to be questioned. I'd like to see a Globe&Mail poll on who's buying his story.

ComebyDeanChance - Saturday, February 16 2008 @ 11:18 PM EST (#180100) #
The quality of the photocopy is not at all the issue. Nor is the handwriting.

Zaun's story, which he specifically chose not to proffer to Mitchell, or at anytime before today, is that he gave Grimsley a cheque made out to no one, to repay a debt to Grimsley. Zaun's behavior, both at the time and since, is much more consistent with someone buying steroids than someone paying off a debt to a particular individual.

It's not just the cheating, it's the constant lieing that is annoying. If Zaun had said he'd made a mistake and regretted it, like Pettitte and Knoblauch have, instead of telling a juvenile OJ-style lie, he'd be more worthy of respect.
Dave501 - Saturday, February 16 2008 @ 11:43 PM EST (#180101) #

If i were Zaun, i'd be embarrassed to tell such a lame story.  How long did it take him to come up with that?

Either stay quiet, or come clean.  i dont really care, but its insulting to hear such a story.  If it were me, even if that story were true, and i wanted to proclaim my innocence, I'd make up a better story.   Know what i mean?  Seriously Zaun, that is week.

westcoast dude - Sunday, February 17 2008 @ 12:50 AM EST (#180103) #

Forgetaboutit. Play ball. I just took 2 T3s for my headache. So book me.

Rios is in camp early. This is a good sign.

perlhack - Sunday, February 17 2008 @ 12:09 PM EST (#180105) #
I just came across a presentation from the 2008 meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, titled SAFE: Spatial Aggregate Fielding Evaluation. For those that don't want to read it all, scroll to the bottom for player results from 2002-2005.
VBF - Sunday, February 17 2008 @ 12:38 PM EST (#180106) #

I'd like to see some hard evidence that says Zaun is lying. While we all probably agree that this whole thing is bigger than we could probably imagine, there is still going to be some innocent folk wrapped up in it. I haven't seen anything that says Zaun is most definitely not one of these people, and I have never bought into the "He looks big so he must do them" excuse.

Glevin - Sunday, February 17 2008 @ 12:56 PM EST (#180108) #

"I just came across a presentation from the 2008 meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, titled SAFE: Spatial Aggregate Fielding Evaluation. For those that don't want to read it all, scroll to the bottom for player results from 2002-2005"

More and more I am sold on the idea that it is simply impossible to put fielding into stat form. Every single attempt I have ever seen comes up with some absurd conclusions. There probably hasn't been a week in history where Jose Valentine was a better SS than Jack Wilson.  Ken Harvey could barely field at 1B yet comes up first, Torii Hunter was an incredible fielder during these years but comes up behind Willy Mo Pena who is a bad fielder. Chavez is considered by everyone to be an amazing defensive player finishes way, way down the list, and on and on and on.

AWeb - Sunday, February 17 2008 @ 01:30 PM EST (#180109) #
Well, since the question was if I "buy this" from Zaun or not...No, no I don't. Even giving him a pass for not talking to Mitchell in the first place (which seemed to be the general union position, if not officially), it has been a few months. Did Zaun write so many unassigned cheques that it took him two months to remember this one? Does he typically write people cheques to pay them back without filling in all the information? I agree with those who are saying he should just have admitted it ("it" amounting to buying steroids once, as far as the evidence goes), and moved on.  It hurts Zaun's credibility, if not in the clubhouse (where many users and ex-users no doubt are thrilled their names didn't come up), then certainly with the fans. I suspect Zaun won't be making anymore postseason announcing stops in studio.

I'm not kidding myself on the large numbers of players who were/are using some type of PED; admitted users (Caminiti, Canseco) have put the number north of 50%, which is probably not a gross overestimate. Remember that they caught, if I recall correctly, about 5-7% of the players in the first year of testing, with an extremely basic and easily avoided testing program. Keep cracking down on the labs and doctors, who make less money and have more to lose, if you really want to slow down the problem. And humiliating the players who get caught enough might eventually get the union and players to reverse the peer pressure, which currently goes in the "stay quiet" direction.
sweat - Sunday, February 17 2008 @ 02:27 PM EST (#180112) #
I think that Zaun might be telling the truth.  This is a guy who has had demon's in his past, who has admitted to having a serious alcohol problem.  If he made one mistake involving steroids, I feel like he would have admitted it.   While his story seems like a stretch, I don't feel like any specific part of it is unlikely.  I choose to believe him because I have no reason to doubt him. 
CaramonLS - Sunday, February 17 2008 @ 03:59 PM EST (#180114) #

Well the one part of the story which doesn't make sense (on top of numerous other bits) is that he also received steriods, but didn't do anything about it.  Radmoski claimed he sent the package to the Royals clubhouse addressed to Zaun.  So I wonder what GZ did with them once he found a mysterious package addressed to him with steriods inside of it. 

Did he tell anyone?  No. 

Mike Green - Sunday, February 17 2008 @ 04:26 PM EST (#180116) #
Chris O'Leary has an interesting blog on pitching mechanics, and has some not-so-nice comments about B.J. Ryan's delivery.  His comments about pitching elbow above shoulder level ring true.  Funny, though, how it brings back memories of Yaz' unorthodox batting stance (of course, Yaz did bring the bat down before the pitcher delivered).
FranklyScarlet - Sunday, February 17 2008 @ 05:06 PM EST (#180117) #
http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/WhoIAmAndHowIGotHere.html

His coaching of pitchers includes the past 7 years....
A 6U to 13U team.

timpinder - Sunday, February 17 2008 @ 07:49 PM EST (#180120) #

I'm not sure where to put this, but there's some interesting information in the Globe blogs from Blair and McLeod.  Blair includes a link to an audio taped conversation he had with Fasano regarding catching Ryan and McGowan.  I think McGowan's on the verge of becoming a true ace, and Fasano sings his praises as well.

Apparently League looks good, Ryan looks good, Rios has a mohawk, Adams will be getting time in the outfield as the Jays are trying to convert him into a super-sub (about time), Chacin is a little behind, and Travis Snider has a sore elbow and isn't hitting or throwing.

I'm quite optimistic about this team.  If Ryan's healthy and Janssen starts, the Jays will have a lot of starting pitching depth with Litsch, Chacin, Purcey, Banks and Romero all likely to be starting in the high minors.  They also have one of the strongest benches in quite some time, and even the Boston Globe hints that the Jays might be close to challenging the AL East powers.

Globe and Mail link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/baseball

Boston Globe link: http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2008/02/17/slices_of_americana/

greenfrog - Sunday, February 17 2008 @ 09:38 PM EST (#180121) #
According to Baseball Prospectus, PECOTA has the 2008 Jays in third place at 83-79. Other AL win projections:

Yankees 96
Boston 93
Cleveland 89
Detroit 89
LA Angels 89
D-Rays 82

Does Pecota take into account defensive metrics? The Jays' win total seems a bit conservative, though I can see the logic. The Jays are decent on paper, but perhaps not quite as good as the competition. Nate Silver's comment on BP (this quote from the paragraph available to nonsubscribers):

"For the most part, these numbers conform pretty well to conventional wisdom. In the American League, you have five teams fighting for the four playoff slots, and it looks like the Tigers and Indians — whom we have dead-even at 89-73 — will fight the most compelling battle, as both the Red Sox and Yankees are just a hair ahead of them. And there’s really not anyone who’s all that close to breaking into that hegemony, although the Devil Rays — who we’re showing one game over .500 — could make things interesting if their young pitching pulls together. "
Zach - Sunday, February 17 2008 @ 11:30 PM EST (#180122) #
This brightened my day...

The Poetry of Roger Clemens

I think 'Glute' is my favourite.  I wonder if there's some lyricism to be found in Zaunie's denial as well...
China fan - Monday, February 18 2008 @ 12:18 AM EST (#180123) #
Nate Silver's comment, if it's accurately quoted, is a classic example of how the Jays are unfairly under-estimated and ignored by the American pundits. To say that only five teams have a playoff chance (excluding the Jays) is ridiculously stupid.  And to say that only the Rays have any hope of challenging those five teams is even stupider.  By any objective measurement, the Jays are an obvious prospect to improve their record this year.  After all the injuries of last year, and after the dramatic improvement in their young pitching, the Jays clearly have a good chance of winning more games this year.  Even a moderate improvement, coupled with a decline in one or two of their rivals, would put them in the playoff chase.
China fan - Monday, February 18 2008 @ 12:38 AM EST (#180124) #
  Having said all of that, I have to admit that the Boston Globe article was much fairer to the Jays than the Nate Silver commentary was.  A rare case of the Jays getting positive attention south of the border.   The exception that proves the rule?
ComebyDeanChance - Monday, February 18 2008 @ 05:31 PM EST (#180135) #
PECOTA gave a pretty fair reckoning of the Jays' likely record. In fact, if I recall the thread in btf accurately, CHONE also predicts the Jays at 83-79 only CHONE has the Jays in 4th behind the Rays. Like it or not, I think the Jays are considerably more likely to be in a race with the Rays for 3rd than they are to be in a race for the wc.
Lefty - Monday, February 18 2008 @ 10:54 PM EST (#180141) #

Nice to see Andy Pettitte stepping up to the plate today with a plausible reason / excuse and apology.

 

Chuck - Tuesday, February 19 2008 @ 11:36 AM EST (#180149) #
... after he was caught in his lies, you mean.
Jevant - Tuesday, February 19 2008 @ 01:46 PM EST (#180157) #
He still gets some respect for me for doing this...and it's going to make it far easier for the vast majority of people to forget/forgive him.

What I do find particularly interesting is that every time Pettitte talks, I believe Roger just a little less.  If that's possible.

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