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The Blue Jays have added right-handed pitcher Reidier Gonzalez to their 40-man roster.  That means the 24 year-old Cuban is protected from being selected by another club in the Rule 5 draft on December 10th.

Gonzalez went 4-6 with a 2.90 ERA and a 1.15 WHIP in 17 starts with AA New Hampshire last season but was battling groin problems that derailed any chance of being called up to the big club.  Currently, he's pitching for Phoenix in the Arizona Fall League where he has posted a record of 2-0 with a 3.60 ERA in six appearances, five of them out of the bullpen.  So far, Gonzalez has pitched 15 innings with a 11-5 K-BB ratio but he has a WHIP of 1.6 and hitters are batting .302 against him.  Batter's Box ranked him #27 in its top 30 prospects.

According to Jordan Bastian's article above, the Jays still have two more spots to fill on the 40-man roster.  Some of the notable players the Jays have to decide to protect by Friday include catcher Brian Jeroloman, second baseman Scott Campbell and outfielders Welinton Ramirez and Johermyn Chavez.  Will the club wind up protecting any one of the four or will they leave themselves some flexibility at the Rule 5 draft?  It would appear Chavez, the #12 prospect in the Batter's Box Top 30 and #1 according to the Hardball Times, has the best chance to be added to the 40-man roster.  Anyone picked up in the Rule 5 must be put on the 25-man roster and remain there all season or be offered back to their original team.

In other Jays-related news.......

  • Rumours continue to circulate about Pat Gillick coming back to Toronto as an advisor according to the Toronto Star.
  • USA Today's Bob Nightengale twitters that Roy Halladay is being targetted by the Dodgers.  Meantime, the New York Baseball Digest says the Yankees should get Doc even if it means giving up Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes.
  • The Hardball Times sums up the Halladay situation nicely.

Around the majors......

In another shocking development that has nothing to do with baseball.........

The Detroit Lions and the Cleveland Browns game this Sunday is being blacked out in the Detroit area.  I don't know why.  They're two evenly matched clubs.  ESPN's Mike & Mike run down eight good reasons to go to the game that could well decide who gets the number one pick in the 2010 NFL draft.

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brent - Thursday, November 19 2009 @ 09:16 PM EST (#208558) #
Wow, GM AA is talking about possibly adding more scouts for 2011. He wants to hit home runs with players, but will the team pay out for them?
MatO - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 09:35 AM EST (#208562) #
I believe that Chavez has spent only 4 seasons in the minors and thus still has one more year before he has to be added to the 40 man since he signed when he was 17.
Mike Green - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 10:59 AM EST (#208565) #
Walker Lamond's 1001 rules for my unborn son contain one of interest to Bauxites:

101. Root for the home team, even when they stink.

codyla - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 12:12 PM EST (#208566) #
I don't think the Jays will add Chavez to the 40 man roster.  I just don't see how a team could keep Chavez on their 25 man roster all year. I think he's a good prospect, but certainly not ready for the bigs.
Mylegacy - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 01:32 PM EST (#208567) #
Codyla - if Chavez is NOT added to the 40 man roster I will send you photos of me eating my new Tilley winter hat. He'll be added - you can BANK on it!
Denoit - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 01:48 PM EST (#208568) #
Has anyone in the history of baseball jumped from low A to the Majors without a stop at A+, AA or AAA? Chavez had a good year but nobody is going to pick him up.
MatO - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 02:51 PM EST (#208569) #

I repeat.  Chavez does not have to be added until nex year.

TamRa - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 02:51 PM EST (#208570) #
Personally, I'd outright Henn, Wolfe, and Hoffpauir just to make room on the roster.

I don't think anyone can carry Chavez but I'd add Campbell and Jeroloman because either could be carried in the majors. Campbell can probably hit decently in the majors now and Jeroloman has the glove.

Denoit - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 04:19 PM EST (#208571) #

I repeat.  Chavez does not have to be added until nex year.

Your right, Bastain must have made a mistake.  speaking of Chavez this is a video of him ripping a double in the Venezualan winter league. I found it when i was trying to find what year he was signed in. He definatly has a powerful swing.

#2JBrumfield - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 04:20 PM EST (#208572) #

Tell that to Jordan Bastian.  I'm just relaying what he said already.  Anyways, here are the regulations for the Rule 5 draft according to Wikipedia.....

Players are eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft who are not on their major league organization's forty man roster and:

- were signed at age 19 or older and have been in the organization for four years; or

- were signed at age 18 or younger and have been in the organization for five years.

The exemption periods were extended by one year in October 2006 as part of a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. The change took effect immediately, exempting many players from the 2006 Rule 5 draft even though they had been signed in some cases more than four years before the new agreement came into effect. Prior to the rule change, players were exempt from the first two or three Rule 5 drafts held after their signing (regardless of the year they were drafted), rather than from the first three or four Rule 5 drafts after their signing.

Chavez, who turns 21 in January, signed with the club in 2005 and played his first season in Pulaski in 2006 at the age of 17.  That means he's played four seasons and shouldn't be eligible.  However, Chavez's deal was in 2005 before the new CBA rules took effect and that may be why he's eligible for this year's Rule 5.  Right now, I'll go with Jordan Bastian on this one until I hear differently.

John Northey - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 04:29 PM EST (#208573) #
Right now there are 25 pitchers on the 40 man roster vs 13 hitters.  That is a bit nuts.  Brian Wolfe is an obvious choice to be removed, Jeremy Accardo could be a non-tender (he'd probably be making $1 million next year) thus could be removed if the Jays feel he isn't as good as he seemed a few years ago (it would be a weird move imo but I could imagine it).  That's about as far as I'm getting though.  I'd probably not remove any hitters just due to the fact it would look weird to have under 13 hitters protected unless you were replacing them with other hitters.  Henn and Hoffpauir might be shiftable to AAA for Campbell and Jeroloman but right now neither looks like a hot prospect (sadly enough).

Mike Green - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 04:34 PM EST (#208574) #
In answer to a question above, Manny Lee was taken in the Rule 5 draft straight out of the Sally League.  Johan Santana was taken straight out of the Midwest League.
85bluejay - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 04:40 PM EST (#208575) #

This titbit from recent prospectus chat :

EL Angelo (New York, NY) : what team has the worst "best" prospect?

Kevin Goldstein: I think it's going to be TORONTO.

AA is really inheriting a very tough situation. One of the worst farm systems (if not the worst),

the worst contract in baseball (Wells), failure to trade Halladay last July - I think he will likely

receive much less this offseason (the Santana deal equivalent), the draft fiasco, 

The toughest division in baseball.

If the Jays manage to become competitive before 2015 ( in a pennant race ), then AA will

be a miracle worker.

MatO - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 04:55 PM EST (#208576) #
I'm pretty certain that all players were included in the new rule.  Purcey was drafted in 2004 and it bought them an extra year as to whether to add him or not in 2007. 
Jim - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 05:09 PM EST (#208577) #
You don't even need to go back that far.  Everth Cabrera came out of the Sally League last Rule 5.
Jdog - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 05:48 PM EST (#208578) #
I sure hope they don't bother protecting Jeroloman. Sure he could be carried as a backup C if a team was desperate, but if another team wants him let them have him(ie he isn't any good). I'd rather we keep a spot open so we can take a flyer on somebody...If your not going to be competitive I think taking a decent upside player in the rule V draft should be a no brainer. Randy Wells has turned out to be a useful part.
Gerry - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 06:19 PM EST (#208579) #

Through Bastian, from Chicago, via mlblogs.

The Cubs are one of the teams the Blue Jays have contacted regarding pitcher Roy Halladay. However, before Cubs fans start salivating at the prospect of the former Cy Young winner in the rotation with Ted Lilly, Carlos Zambrano, and Ryan Dempster, there's a catch. He's owed $15.75 million in 2010, and the Blue Jays want some of the Cubs' top prospects. No. 1, the team can't take on Halladay's salary. The Blue Jays apparently have a wish list and Milton Bradley is not on it. A player like highly regarded shortstop Starlin Castro most likely is, and the Cubs don't want to part with him, especially since they might only have Halladay for one year. The right-hander was 17-10 with a 2.79 ERA this season, and is a free agent after 2010. One thing the Blue Jays did make clear to the Cubs is they want to move Halladay this offseason.

Gerry - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 06:28 PM EST (#208580) #

Almost missed this but AA was on the Fan590 in Toronto yesterday.

He talked mainly about amateur scouting.  AA said he analyzed the source of all the players drafted in the amateur draft and then looked at how many scouts they had compared to the number of drafted players.  He used this method to add scouts so that the scouts can spend more time scouting the players and have a better understanding of how good the player is.  He also discusses trying to cut down on travel time for scouts.  The Jays will take more risks in the draft although he wasn't asked about HS pitchers.

Trade talk is somewhat slow at the moment as GM's see what holes can be filled through free agency and non-tenders.

He has spoken to the agents for all three free-agents and what they are looking for is too high right now.  I assume this means that if they get more realistic then the Jays might be interested.

TamRa - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 08:37 PM EST (#208581) #
that whole business of analyzing where the players actually come from and distributing the scouts accordingly just impressed the hell out of me.

Is it actually possible that no other team has done this before? it seems astoundingly obvious to me that it should be done that way.

John Northey - Friday, November 20 2009 @ 10:25 PM EST (#208582) #
Heh. The Cubs can't afford more contracts. Hehehe.

They just have perpetual sellouts, a name brand second only to the Yankees and _maybe_ the Dodgers, very good tv rights, $120 mil committed for 2010 (probably another $10 or so for arbitration/misc. slots).

The Cubs are one of the cheapest clubs around. The Red Sox have a similar sized (and aged) park yet the Cubs only cracked $100 mil in 2008 and 2009. The Tigers spent more in 2008 than the Cubs in 2009.

So, odds are they don't want to add Halladay's contract due to greed but not due to an inability to spend. Just a lack of desire as a near WS Cubs team is probably worth more than a WS winning team - one curse has to stick :)
Jim - Saturday, November 21 2009 @ 08:45 AM EST (#208583) #
The Cubs also have lower ticket prices then the Red Sox and don't own NESN. 
John Northey - Saturday, November 21 2009 @ 09:36 AM EST (#208584) #
Yes, but those lower ticket prices are by choice (if you sell out the games then you can jump prices and still pack the house, just ask the Leafs or Red Sox) and owning your TV station provides some extra revenue but the main way it does that is by forcing you to be good all the time rather than by being good just before your contract is up.

The Cubs are one of the top 10 revenue teams - they almost have to be a top 5 given their popularity, location, and rabid fan base. Yes, more luxury boxes would help, yes owning their TV station could help as well however the bottom line is they have as much reason to cry poor as the Red Sox do.
92-93 - Saturday, November 21 2009 @ 09:52 AM EST (#208585) #
"that whole business of analyzing where the players actually come from and distributing the scouts accordingly just impressed the hell out of me.

Is it actually possible that no other team has done this before? it seems astoundingly obvious to me that it should be done that way."

I refuse to believe that companies worth hundreds of millions of dollars weren't efficiently allocating their resources until now. It doesn't take a genius to realize that if 25% of kids come out of California, and 5% out of the Northeast, you should probably have more scouts in Cali (of course you'd first have to make sure that the reason more kids are coming out of Cali isn't because of the scout allocation). Then again, these are the same type of teams that flush over 100k giving extra ABs to Kevin Millar while letting someone like Paxton walk over 350k, so who knows...
Denoit - Saturday, November 21 2009 @ 10:54 AM EST (#208586) #

To the above post, I agree you should make sure you have your basis covered in the player hotbeds. But the places that are less scouted you have a far greater chance of finding hidden talent. Everyone and their brother scouts southeren cali, but if you can have more scouts in places that other teams dont that is where you will get your advantage.

rtcaino - Saturday, November 21 2009 @ 01:27 PM EST (#208587) #
To the above post, I agree you should make sure you have your basis covered in the player hotbeds. But the places that are less scouted you have a far greater chance of finding hidden talent. Everyone and their brother scouts southeren cali, but if you can have more scouts in places that other teams dont that is where you will get your advantage.

So now AA is hedging to protect interest rates? This guy is way ahead of the curve.

Ahem ... potentially the yield curve.
jgadfly - Saturday, November 21 2009 @ 01:51 PM EST (#208588) #
        I was watching video of Boston's Casey Kelly in the AFL on John Sickels' site and realized that the catcher is probably A J Jiminez of the Jays. Hopefully someone tells him to be somewhat more vigilant in hiding his right hand behind his body and the possibility that he may be tipping pitch types when he does not. Isn't this one of the fundamentals that all catchers are taught ?     Here's the "what-ever-its-called" ... 
Mike Green - Saturday, November 21 2009 @ 02:08 PM EST (#208589) #
As a baseball market, Toronto should probably be better than Chicago.  One team for a population that is well over half the size of Chicago (with two clubs).  Substantially more wealth in the metro area.   A larger exclusive television and internet market.  Competition with other sports (the Bulls, Bears and Black Hawks) being at somewhat comparable levels. 

The Cubs have ridiculous payrolls for 2010 and 2011, courtesy of Soriano, Ramirez and Dempster. 

ayjackson - Saturday, November 21 2009 @ 02:49 PM EST (#208590) #

That vimeo link has a lot of footage of Jimenez catching.  One of the videos (#189) also shows David Cooper.  During Cooper's third AB, Jimenez throws out a basestealer (Starlin Castro?).

Some of the prospects tossed about in Doc rumours are featured in those videos - Starlin Castro, Josh Vitters, Casey Kelley, Justin Smoak.

McGraw - Saturday, November 21 2009 @ 03:15 PM EST (#208592) #
In regards to the Cubs and not spending money lately.  They have been having the whole ownership issue for a couple years now.  They were just bought by the Ricketts family so now they finally have an owner going forward which should allow them to spend a bit. 
timpinder - Saturday, November 21 2009 @ 04:27 PM EST (#208593) #

If Beeston's quote is accurate, it's looking more likely than ever that Halladay is on his way out the door.  I just don't understand why Beeston would state publicly that Halladay won't re-sign with the Jays.

Gerry - Saturday, November 21 2009 @ 08:30 PM EST (#208595) #

Beeston is reported to have said that Roy "is not inclined: to re-sign.  That is in the "probable" group not the never never group.

Over the last week we have heard leaks coming from the Cubs, the Dodgers, the Phillies, the Yankees and the Red Sox.  There can be no doubt that the word is out there that Roy is likely to be traded and if a team is interested they should get involved now.

Mylegacy - Sunday, November 22 2009 @ 01:04 AM EST (#208597) #
IF - the Spankees get involved - as usual - they will let someone else do the heavy lifting - Boston for instance like they did with Tex - and then at the last second they'll play their Ace and several Kings to get the guy they want.

As I have said - I don't mind him going to the Yanks - just NOT Boston - no need to have two ubber-teams in the division. Let the Yankees be strong enough to crush us and Boston - that evens the playing field for the Sox and us and who knows - maybe we can upset the ba*tards.
ComebyDeanChance - Sunday, November 22 2009 @ 01:22 AM EST (#208598) #
As a baseball market, Toronto should probably be better than Chicago.

As a hockey market, Los Angeles should probably be better than Toronto. Much larger population, more disposable income, more television, more sports media, fewer weather problems. Of course there is the small problem that hockey in Toronto, like baseball in Chicago has a long and rich history, which Los Angeles doesn't have, where Toronto hockey fans, like Chicago baseball fans, fight for tickets and have the game ingrained in their sports culture. One could substitute all kinds of cities and sports to the same end.
Dave Till - Sunday, November 22 2009 @ 07:34 AM EST (#208599) #
Of course there is the small problem that hockey in Toronto, like baseball in Chicago has a long and rich history, which Los Angeles doesn't have, where Toronto hockey fans, like Chicago baseball fans, fight for tickets and have the game ingrained in their sports culture.

But baseball in Toronto has a rich history, if not a long one. There have been nine teams in major league history that have drawn 4 million fans in a season. The Yankees have done it four times, the Mets and the Rockies once each, and the Jays have done it hree times.

Emulating the Yankees is not possible - they have too much money - but reaching the level of success of the Red Sox is possible. Admittedly, not for the next few years or so, given the lack of virtually everything in the farm system. But, when we are older and wrinklier, we could, theoretically, be rooting for a consistently winning team again.
Nick Holmes - Sunday, November 22 2009 @ 09:34 AM EST (#208600) #
Actually, Toronto has a long history in baseball too. My great aunt was pitching in the thirties, & the press clippings from the Telagram make it seem like a big deal. She & my grandma were fans when they were kids back in the twenties, when baseball was being played on the Island & at Sunnyside & at the Beaches. I think the stadium down at the foot of Bathurst street dated back to the twenties too.
Just because something is poorly remembered doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

This is a good place to start:

Think about Chicago hockey: long history, going back to the origins of the professional game, almost completely wiped out by crappy ownership and apathy. Now with some success, the Blackhawks are getting some traction again.

Forgive the rant, but it's really starting to bug me that a lousy team can be considered to be a reflection of a city's history. The Jays could spend a couple of grand to hype the history of baseball here, but they choose not to. It's like they've been set up to fail.
jgadfly - Sunday, November 22 2009 @ 01:18 PM EST (#208601) #
40 man roster and the Adam Loewen Experiment  ...  Is it still to early to tell whether Loewen can become Rick Ankiel #2 ?  ...32 K's in 70 ABs in the AFL with a Slg% 5 pts higher than his OBA% will leave him with lots to think about ... another winter with Martin & Morneau should help ... another possible plus ... doesn't Dwayne Murphy live in Arizona ? ... One plus with his struggles to hit this year is Rule 5 shouldn't be a problem ... unless Baltimore want to jerk him around.  
TamRa - Sunday, November 22 2009 @ 02:37 PM EST (#208602) #
He made a lot of progress in the second half of the season, and we are told by people like Law that you take the AFL with a huge grain of salt.

I don't think it's time to write him off at all, but I'm probably his biggest supporter and I have to admit I'm a bit disheartened by his doing SO poorly out there.

TeeJay1324 - Monday, November 23 2009 @ 09:23 PM EST (#208632) #
Even with the small sample size and all it's discouraging to see Loewen struggle as much as he did in a hitter friendly league...Initially after a couple weeks he was one of top guys in the league in walk percentage but he wasn't able to keep it up and wound up 41st in BB% and first in strikeout percentage at 45%...I tracked pitches per plate appearance for most of the Jays in almost all their games and he did consistently see a ton of pitches typically averaged over 4 P/PA everytime I checked it out...So who knows, be interesting to see what level he starts at.
codyla - Tuesday, November 24 2009 @ 12:41 AM EST (#208637) #
Yeah I definately agree that he "should" be added to the 40 man and I hope he is added.  I just don't think that any team would be willing to carry Chavez on their major league team.  There probably isn't a team out there who thinks he's ready.
John Northey - Tuesday, November 24 2009 @ 11:13 AM EST (#208646) #
Doesn't matter too much if a guy is 'ready' just if the ML team is willing to put him on the DL for the season and write off a year of development  (with the odd 'healthy' period where he gets his feet wet in the majors).

Of course, this was more effective when teams were not scared of service clocks.  If you draft a Rule 5 guy you give him one year of service time (unless you send him back) which can be quite expensive if you feel he needs more minor league time.  Still, probably better than not having the player at all.

If I was the Jays I'd protect whoever I felt had potential to help in the future, while clearing out guys I know I can replace (such as most relief pitchers).

Mike Green - Tuesday, November 24 2009 @ 11:36 AM EST (#208648) #
Right.  Let's say that Chavez was eligible.  I don't really see the downside of a club like the Royals or the Nationals picking him in the Rule 5, letting him have a full season in MLB where he is used as a late inning defensive replacement and pinch-hitter against LHP in low leverage situations, while using a six man pen.  In 2011, he's 22 and you stick him in high A to begin the year and move him up to double A at mid-season if he's succeeding. 

The perceived importance of a seven man pen and the pretence of competing immediately conspires to inefficiency. 

maybenextyear - Tuesday, November 24 2009 @ 01:45 PM EST (#208652) #

This is off topic but I have been searching the web trying to find out what people are saying in regard to a potential return for Roy Halladay.  I have read some stuff from the LA Times where the Dodgers fan were adamant that a deal including Billingsley or Kershaw would not make sense but I haven't found a lot of other speculation so i thought i'd turn to the experts.  What do people think would be a reasonable return for Halladay and who are the likely bidders (NYY, Red Sox, LAA, LAD...anyone else?)?

Gerry - Tuesday, November 24 2009 @ 02:25 PM EST (#208653) #

Jeff Blair and Keith Law were on the Fan last night debating free agency in general and the topic turned to Halladay.  They both thought that LA were the favourite to acquire Roy.  Blair said that he heard the Jays were not that high on Billingsley and Law said LA would be crazy to deal Kershaw.  Law said he didn't see Philly making the trade, they already have Lee.  Law also thought that the Yankees and the Cubs didn't have enough prospects to make a trade.  Blair said don't forget about the Red Sox.

Blair also said that the Jays have been contacted by more teams than they expected.  Audio is at the fan website.

Mike Green - Tuesday, November 24 2009 @ 02:36 PM EST (#208654) #
Why not the Rockies?  They've got prospects and their payroll obligations for 2010 are $40 million according to Cots.  You'd think that they would be a contender in 2010 and Roy would presumably not mind going home.
Mike Green - Tuesday, November 24 2009 @ 02:48 PM EST (#208656) #
In the other thread, there's a link to a TSN article mentioning the Angels as a suitor with Santana/Weaver and a CF prospect Peter Bourjos.  Fortuitously, John Sickels has just released his top 20 Angels prospects.  Bourjos is a B- to B prospect who just finished his age 22 season at double A.  Good speed and range, some pop, improving and passable plate control. 
Gerry - Tuesday, November 24 2009 @ 03:13 PM EST (#208658) #
Alex Anthopoulos coming up on the fan at 3:25
ayjackson - Tuesday, November 24 2009 @ 07:28 PM EST (#208665) #

There are a lot of interesting pitching prospects on that Angels' list.

Chuck - Tuesday, November 24 2009 @ 08:04 PM EST (#208667) #
Roy would presumably not mind going home

You wonder now that the humidor has moderated the Baker Bowl effect if Coors isn't an entirely unattractive prospective destination for front-line pitchers. Colorado's five regular starters had ERAs from 3.47 to 4.38.
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