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Bill Risley's claim to fame as the last Toronto Blue Jay to go to Arby's may still be intact.  Monday's arbitration hearing involving home run king Jose Bautista and the team has been postponed until Friday, leading to speculation the two sides could hammer out a long term deal.

Robert MacLeod of The Globe & Mail has comments from second baseman Aaron Hill and reliever Jason Frasor who hope the 54 home run man is back in the fold for 2011 and beyond.



In other Jays related news...

  • The National Post's Jeremy Sandler takes a look at the team's top prospects who could make an impact in 2011.
  • Bluejays.com's Gregor Chisholm has a chat with probable Opening Day starter Ricky Romero
  • The Toronto Sun has a photo gallery of the Jays arrival in Dunedin, a brief blurb on righty Jesse Litsch, a lengthier feature on catcher J.P. Arencibia and a story on outfielder Travis Snider.
  • Baseball Prospectus' Marc Normandin says Kyle Drabek is one of the American League rookie hurlers to look out for this season.
  • Ballpark Digest takes a look at a proposed sports complex in Las Vegas that would include a new baseball stadium for the Las Vegas 51's or a major league team.

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Mylegacy - Tuesday, February 15 2011 @ 06:56 PM EST (#230306) #
Interesting that I'm the first one to comment on this thread.

I've been flying from blog to blog, to twitter to twitter, ever since the news about Jose's Arbitration being postponed first hit the airwaves and there is much being said - elsewhere. Every few minutes I'd rush back here only to see nothing about it - I'm really suprised it has taken SO LONG for my favorite blog in the whole universe to start to cover this.

As to what will happen with JB - clearly some kind of multi-year, multi-option AA creation that will satisfy both parties. Agents are being quoted as saying if this postponement happened then the parties must be quite close to a deal. It'll be nice to have the big stick back and happy. I'd really miss watching his beard grow three or inches every four or five innings. Go Jays!
actionjackson - Tuesday, February 15 2011 @ 07:20 PM EST (#230308) #
Alright, here's my wild stab at an AA type of contract for Bautista:

3 years/$35 mil. That's the guaranteed part. Hereís how it breaks down:

$3 mil signing bonus: $1 mil right away + $1 mil on each of 01/01/12 and 01/01/13

2011: $8 mil 2012: $10 mil 2013: $12 mil

Club options on 2014: $14 mil and 2015: $16 mil

Must decide whether or not to pick up both options before Opening Day, 2013. If they decide not to, the 2015 club option disappears, and the 2014 option remains with a $2 mil buyout.

That makes it either: a 3 yr/$35 mil deal, or a 4 yr/$47 mil deal, or a 5 yr/$63 mil deal depending on how the Jays handle the options, and IMHO all three scenarios are fair to both the player and the team. There's been speculation that the Jays don't want to go above 3 years and Bautista wants 5. The Jays shouldn't commit to 5 after just one good (albeit great) season. This gives the Jays time to decide whether they want to take it to 5 years or not. Jose will be paid very well in years 4 and 5 if they do (perhaps not at market value, but who knows where he'll be at that point), and then after his age 34 season he might have one more shot at big money if he's still producing. What say you? Fair offer? Too much? Too little?

Nick Holmes - Tuesday, February 15 2011 @ 08:05 PM EST (#230309) #
I have no idea how the Bautista deal is going to shake out. The virtues of keeping this stuff away from us are obvious, but it does lead to a lot of reloading pages and echo-chamber posts.
I do like the job Gregor Chisholm is doing. He's got the big shoes of Jordan Bastian to fill, but now's his time to shine!
greenfrog - Tuesday, February 15 2011 @ 08:58 PM EST (#230310) #
This is an interesting negotiation. Should JBau be paid like an All-Star, a very good player, an above-average player, a (gulp) more or less average player? He's 30 and has a career slash line of 244/342/453 (which is actually pretty good, considering what it was before last year).

If I were AA, I would draw the line at about 4 years / $44M. Even if he tanks somewhat, that contract shouldn't derail the team's rebuilding plans. I'm guessing Jose wants a 5-year deal or more, but I don't see how a mega-deal makes sense for the Jays.
John Northey - Tuesday, February 15 2011 @ 09:39 PM EST (#230311) #
AA might go for vesting options - if Bautista plays 140+ games a year he gets more years guaranteed. However, those can become 'poison pills' as Frank Thomas showed.

Nah, more likely one with options ala Hill's. $30 mil for 3 years is all I'd go for myself, but I suspect it'll take $35 for 3 or $60 for 5.
Ron - Tuesday, February 15 2011 @ 10:28 PM EST (#230312) #
Any contract that is longer than 1 year for Bautista is a mistake. Everything about last season screams fluke. You're talking about a player that was basically a bench player before last season and he's going to enter his age 30 season. There's nothing stopping the Jays from trying to sign him after the upcoming season if he produces at a high level again.  Signing any player that is 30 and over to a long term/big money deal ends up being  a bad deal for the club %90 of the time.



ayjackson - Tuesday, February 15 2011 @ 10:35 PM EST (#230313) #

Ron, I think you`re oversimplifying things.  There`s a lot of context here and we all know the story now - former top prospect, no development time in minors due to Rule V selection, traded four times in a year, left to the development skills of the Pirates organization, retooled swing, hot September 2009 after changes made, changes sustained over the offseason and througout 2010.  Not your typical ``just a bench player``.

I agree there`s risk there.  If it were me, I`d wait until July and sign him or trade him if his performance sustains.  I`d also do a hell of a lot of research - statistical and video - on players who have done similar before.  I certainly wouldn`t just write it off as a fluke.

ayjackson - Tuesday, February 15 2011 @ 10:39 PM EST (#230314) #
On the other hand, AA is putting a lot of organizational resources into identifying and acquiring high upside talent to help this team become a playoff team.  Őn that context, it would be odd to just walk away from Jose.  He`s the gift horse.
greenfrog - Tuesday, February 15 2011 @ 10:53 PM EST (#230315) #
It also depends on what the overall budget is going forward, and what the Jays might otherwise do with the money. There doesn't seem to be much point in going as cheap as possible, just for the sake of performing adequately on a shoestring. The point is to build a championship-calibre club. Does JBau fit into that trajectory somehow? My guess is that AA is looking to lock up a potentially high-performing player for a few years at relatively low cost (ie, because he has a limited track record, thereby driving down his price)? If Bautista becomes a buy-high proposition, though, I have no doubt that AA will walk away.
greenfrog - Tuesday, February 15 2011 @ 10:54 PM EST (#230316) #
No sense in looking a gift horse in the beard.
Ron - Tuesday, February 15 2011 @ 10:57 PM EST (#230317) #
I put very little stock in September performances because the rosters are expanded/starters rested/pitchers shut down. I know Bautista had a huge September 2009 but so did Russ Adams in 2004. There is very little upside in locking up Bautista right now. Even if 2010 is the "real" Bautista, the Jays still have the option on bidding on his services after the 2011 season.  I would hate to be the team that is stuck with his long term contract if Joey Bats goes back to his pre 2010 level of performance.


R Billie - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 12:02 AM EST (#230318) #
The upside is you wont have to bid against 29 other teams in a free agent market for a pretty talented player if you sign Bautista to more than one year now.  Bautista has always had a good walk rate and strong raw power.  He made a mechanical adjustment in the spring training of 2009 under Gaston and Tennace to start his swing earlier in the pitcher's delivery which ultimately culminated in his big September.  He carried that performance pretty much through the whole of 2010 and got better as the season went on, despite the efforts of teams like the Red Sox trying different things to get him out.

The man has honest to goodness, light tower power, the kind that you can't fake or fluke.  The 100 walks were not a fluke either.  If the power wasn't a fluke and the walks weren't a fluke, I just don't see how Bautista is a fluke.  You can't just look at the history and decide what he is, you actually have to see him play regularly and know the circumstances involved.  I don't think he's a 1.000 ops player in the long term, but a .900 ops player?  Probably.

christaylor - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 01:13 AM EST (#230319) #
I'm not that concerned with the money, for the completely irrational reason that it will certainly be less than what the team would have been paying Wells but the only thing that would disappointment would be going longer than 3 years. 3 years + team/mutual option -- sure. Even bigger deal, no way, no how, should he get a no-trade clause.

Personally, I'd like to see him retained on a one year deal (split the arb difference) and then see him traded in July. Getting a B/B+ prospect a year or two away at a position of need (3B? CF?) would be golden. Locking up Morrow and Escobar may well prove more important than anything AA does with Bautista.

I don't believe Bautista is a fluke, but my gut thinks a long term deal is a mistake for the club. Then again, a cheap deal without a no-trade clause could work out very, very nicely without much downside.

Color me ambivalent.
Jdog - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 09:48 AM EST (#230320) #
Anything under 5/60 is fine with me, its not my money and I am pretty convinced he will be a 30 HR bat with a high OBP for a while. I'd prefer 3/35 million type deal just don't see much of a reason for Bautista to sign for that little.
BlueJayWay - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 10:30 AM EST (#230321) #
I'd prefer 3/35 million type deal just don't see much of a reason for Bautista to sign for that little.

How sure can Bautista be about his future play?  For a guy who's now 30 and has been a utility player before last year, 35 million is a lot of guaranteed cash to leave on the table. 
Mike Green - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 10:39 AM EST (#230322) #
Bautista's position on a long-term contract is an interesting personal decision.  The two poles of his long-term earning potential might be represented by Ryan Ludwick and Jayson Werth.  One would guess that length of contract might be more controversial than annual salary, and that there might be proposals for player and club options with vesting terms that would be the subject of considerable negotation. 
onecent - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 11:08 AM EST (#230323) #

I agree with actionjackson. I was thinking the same thing, except with the option coming after 2 guaranteed years. However, thinking realistically there is no way Jose is going to sign for 2 guaranteed years. There has to be 3 guaranteed years. I also agree with the dollar figures. The only wrinkle to the 2014 2 year club otion I was thinking of is adding a player option at a lower salary. That would give Jose a bit more control over things in case the Jays didn't pick up the club option and it might sway him to signing for fewer guaranteed years than what he would otherwise like to... I also don't think 2010 was a fluke, so if the Jays want him for more than 1 year, now is the time. There are a lot of non-home run hitters throughout MLB history who have had one big 25 to 35 homer season. But I don't think there is a single example of a player who hit over 50 home runs in a season and that was his only power season. There is still some risk in signing Jose to a long term deal, but if the Jays wait to see what he does in 2011, Jose is going to command a salary (in years and dollars) that is not at all in line with AA's philosophy.

cybercavalier - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 11:34 AM EST (#230324) #
same here.

To the contrary, if 2010 was indeed the only power season (even if it is very rarely the case), his current market value is lost by not trading him but just letting him go as free agent.

John Northey - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 11:53 AM EST (#230325) #
I'm wondering if, to save face, the Jays might do a 2 year locked in with years 3-5 based on playing time with easy to reach levels. IE: if he plays 100 games at any time year 3 is locked in, twice does so then years 4 & 5 are also locked in.

That way, unless he suffers an extreme injury, he gets 3 years for certain with 5 years just needing a bit more. The Jays get to say they didn't lock in $60 mil, Bautista gets $60 if he stays remotely healthy, everyone can look good.
ayjackson - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 12:00 PM EST (#230326) #

Maybe the Jays "buy" another year of evidence before committing to a long term deal.  They could do this by paying him $15m for 2011 (above market) and retaining a 3 year option at $50m.

The one risk here is that he doesn't perform well and you can't risk offering arbitration.

Jdog - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 01:01 PM EST (#230327) #
For a guy who's now 30 and has been a utility player before last year, 35 million is a lot of guaranteed cash to leave on the table.

Well he wouldn't be leaving 35 million on the table, he would still get whatever the arbitrator decides for this season (forget the exact figures but 7.6 or 10 million) and then would be a free agent. Even if he craps the bed this season to the tune of .230/.330/.450 with 20 Hr's he will still be able to get a decent deal in free agency. With his ability to play 3B and the OF even with a down year he is still going to get some decent offers like 2 year deals for 15 million. So why settle for 3/35 right now?
smcs - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 01:30 PM EST (#230328) #
So why settle for 3/35 right now?

Because one year ago the notion of "settling" for $35MM was unfathomable for him.
China fan - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 01:46 PM EST (#230329) #

I'm still obsessing over the name of Bautista's agent.  Is there any chance that he's related to the recent stage name of this guy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Kim

Which might explain why the agent is trying to get all the "Sugar Sugar" from the Jays for his client.

sam - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 02:00 PM EST (#230330) #
Ricky Romero on East LA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kBO6Ou5MVw
Mylegacy - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 02:11 PM EST (#230331) #
When (note I don't say if) Jose signs a long(ish) term contract with the Jays before Friday evening, the chances of it being "fair to both parties," when viewed in hindsight, are very close to nil.

Either Bautista will have a clear to exceptional win or AA will have a clear to exceptional win. The only way it will work out fairly even is if Jose averages 260/275/500 30 homers 88 rbi for its term. We'll be overpaying for a 20 - 22 homer guy and underpaying for a 35+ homer guy. What bothers me - slightly - about it is that it'll be pure bs luck IF the deal is fair to both sides.

I believe AA would be willing to pay Jose a fair - even expensive, but fair - contract - if he had any idea what "fair" in Jose's context actually was. Because of that I predict a 5 year contract with the 4th and 5th years having "mutual" options. Then if either party feels aggrieved - they can withdraw - re-negotiate or Jose can go elsewhere.

I think AA is something rare - a guy with integrity - while I'm sure he doesn't want to get played - I'm almost certain he doesn't want to rip any player off either. I know - I'm just an old, soppy, sentimental drunk - sigh - oh well - time for a scotch - single malt - make it a double.

Gerry - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 02:33 PM EST (#230332) #

Jeremy Sandler in the National Post has confirmed that Rance Mulliniks and Sam Cosentino will not be a part of Blue Jay broadcasts in 2011.

I had thought Tabler didn't want to do more games than he has been doing for family reasons.  Perhaps that has changed or, as Sandler speculates, there may be more news to come.

DaveB - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 02:54 PM EST (#230333) #
I tend to agree with you ML on the unlikeliness of a long-term "fair" deal and the use of mutual options as a way out for both sides. The shorter the deal, the more likely it is to be fair and I think it's actually in Bautista's best interests to be able to get into free agency as soon as possible.
#2JBrumfield - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 02:58 PM EST (#230334) #

Perhaps that has changed or, as Sandler speculates, there may be more news to come.

I wonder if Jamie Campbell gets an increased role again.  I'm sure Buck Martinez is doing TBS games again this season so someone would have to fill in.  Either that or Jerry Howarth or Alan Ashby get worked into the mix.  Interesting times.  Sad to see Rance go, I didn't mind him.  I preferred Cosentino as a sideline reporter.

Dan Shulman is back on TSN. No more interviews with McCown on THE FAN.  Interesting times for the Toronto sports media scene.
BalzacChieftain - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 03:03 PM EST (#230335) #

I wonder if Jamie Campbell gets an increased role again. 

Oh, please, no..  Listening to Campbell and Zaun during the Sportsnet World Series broadcasts was arguably the most painful experience I have ever had.  The only way it was tolerable was for unintentional comedy when inebriated.

Mylegacy - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 03:04 PM EST (#230336) #
I'm gonna get yelled at.

I like Jamie Campbell - I miss Jamie Campbell and I want him back - now!
Paul D - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 03:11 PM EST (#230337) #
Mylegacy - I also like Jamie Campbell.
Thomas - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 03:13 PM EST (#230338) #
I thought Zaun, while clearly still encountering some growing pains, showed a lot of potential when I listened to him during the 2010 playoffs.

I am sad to see both Mulliniks and Cosentino go. I hope, as Gerry said, there may be more changes underway. If we're not going to have a top notch broadcasting team, like we had with Dan and Buck, then I enjoyed having some variety among the analysts.
#2JBrumfield - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 03:30 PM EST (#230339) #

I thought Zaun, while clearly still encountering some growing pains, showed a lot of potential when I listened to him during the 2010 playoffs.

If Zaun does not catch on with San Diego, it wouldn't surprise me if a job at Sportsnet is waiting for him. I've enjoyed Campbell and Zaun during the post season and I hope the tradition continues.

vw_fan17 - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 04:02 PM EST (#230340) #
Man, I'm gonna miss Mulliniks.. Definitely my favourite commentator in terms of intelligence, and thinking about the game.. Always enjoyed watching games he did.
rtcaino - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 04:11 PM EST (#230341) #

Interesting that Jay's got Podsednik on a Minor League deal. (MLBTR.)

I assumed he would warrent a Major League deal.

92-93 - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 04:14 PM EST (#230342) #
Especially since he turned down his 2m option. Good bench player for the Jays and this roster.
david wang - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 04:19 PM EST (#230343) #
Beats Corey Patterson anyways

Will have to wait to find out how much he makes if he makes the team, I guess around 1 million?
Subversive - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 04:19 PM EST (#230344) #

But I don't think there is a single example of a player who hit over 50 home runs in a season and that was his only power season.

I assume you mean other than Brady Anderson? :)

Hey everyone, by the way. Long time reader, first time commenter. Y'all are like, scary smart, so it's a bit intimidating to jump in.

Podsednik signed to minor league deal this morning, not a lot of downside there I would say.

Ryan C - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 04:23 PM EST (#230345) #
That does seem odd, but I'll take it. Podsednik had 595 plate appearances last season, hit .297 with 35 stolen bases, and he gets a minor league contract? Another low risk, good reward move by AA.
China fan - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 04:26 PM EST (#230346) #
Does this likely mean Podsednik is the starting RF (and back-up CF), while Bautista shifts to 3B and Rivera to the bench or the waiver wire?   Podsednik posted a .342 OBP last season, significantly higher than anything Rivera has posted since 2006, so he might better suit the team's needs this season -- and his salary will certainly be a much better fit than Rivera's salary.
92-93 - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 04:32 PM EST (#230347) #
Podsednik throws like a girl so while he may be able to backup CF, RF should be out of the question.
China fan - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 04:38 PM EST (#230348) #

Looking at Podsednik's career stats, I see that he has played mostly at LF, rather than RF.  So maybe shift Snider to RF and Podsednik to LF (and back-up CF)?   It might be a minor-league deal for Podsednik, but I certainly wouldn't assume that he'll be a bench player this year.  Anthopolous is surely doing everything possible to dump Rivera's $5.25-million salary.  If he manages that little trick, Podsednik is the logical guy for the starting OF and Bautista for 3B -- unless the Jays think that Lawrie or Encarnacion can handle a full-time load at 3B, which I'm skeptical of.

In addition to his OBP talents, Podsednik has 65 stolen bases in the past two seasons, and AA would love to get that weapon into the starting lineup -- as he has already shown with the Davis acquisition.

Gerry - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 04:41 PM EST (#230349) #
This team is starting to look like a mix and match team.  If Farrell doesn't go with a set line-up the team could set a record for the most different line-ups in a season.
david wang - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 04:45 PM EST (#230350) #
EE at 3B still seems the most logical option to me considering the make up of the rest of the team.

I wonder if JBau's negotiations involve him wanting to stay in RF.
Jdog - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 04:48 PM EST (#230351) #
Too bad Eric Thames didn't have a year of AAA under his belt. If we have to see an OF that includes both Davis and Podsednik its going to be one of the worst in the league. Im hoping Thames gets off to a hot start and gets a chance early to knock Rivera or Pods out of a spot.

Don't get me wrong the signing is no risk good signing, it just brought to my attention how bad our outfield could possibly be next year.
China fan - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 05:10 PM EST (#230352) #

.....If we have to see an OF that includes both Davis and Podsednik its going to be one of the worst in the league....

Don't forget that the OF would be even worse with Rivera as the starting RF.  Rivera actually had a lower OPS than Podsednik last season -- and he also lacked the 35 stolen bases that Podsednik provided last year.   So, if Rivera is the alternative, Podsednik is actually an upgrade.  And since the Jays have written off 2011 as a rebuilding year, what does it matter if the OF is mediocre anyway?

The only other alternative is Bautista in the OF, alongside Davis and Snider.  That's a pretty good OF, but who plays at 3B in that scenario?  Anthopolous was quite clear that he signed Encarnacion to be a DH and 1B this season.  After enduring Encarnacion at 3B for most of 2009 and 2010, Anthopolous dumped him twice (he was DFA-ed in July and then dumped on waivers at the end of the season) so I just can't see Anthopolous being happy with EE at 3B this year.  Also, if he switches EE to 3B, with Lind at 1B, who is the DH?  It would complicate a lot of things and weaken the lineup even further.

Of course it's possible that Anthopolous will find another 3B on the trade market.  If that happens, I could see Bautista at RF and Podsednik on the bench as the back-up OF and occasional platoon player.  But unless there's a trade for a decent 3B, I would expect Podsednik to get a lot of ABs this season. 

Gerry - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 06:03 PM EST (#230353) #
The Jays have brought back Vince Perkins who pitched in independent ball in 2010.  Perkins is from BC and was profiled on Da Box back in 2005.
bpoz - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 07:04 PM EST (#230356) #
i hope V Perkins still has that power arm.

I can see that Scott P is weak defensively but I thought that R Davis was strong defensively. I saw the video of him throwing out someone from the outfield.
Flex - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 07:23 PM EST (#230357) #
It seems to me that people on this site would be interested in this new iPad app. Pennant.

Stats and scores on every game ever played between 1951 and 2010, represented graphically.

Cool little video to explain it.

http://www.pennant.cc/
jogumon - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 07:27 PM EST (#230358) #
Podsednik stole 35 bases last year, but was caught 15 times. 70% success is not good. You're better off going 0 for 0.
cybercavalier - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 07:35 PM EST (#230359) #
Re Gerry,

another Canadian bball player. Is the Jays employing a strategy in attracting as many Canadians bball player as possible, as long as they match the team's needs and come in cheaply?
Last year, Loewen, Bowman, and Shawn Hill are examples. I only see less than a few Canadians coming in from outside of the organization and straight into middle or high minor leagues during JP's tenure. Scott Richmond is probably the only one.

Also many former Jays and Xpos' players are back: Cordero, Mike McDonald. What game is the Jays playing?

cybercavalier - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 07:36 PM EST (#230360) #
Don't get me wrong the signing is no risk good signing, it just brought to my attention how bad our outfield could possibly be next year.

I understand the signing of Patterson, Abreu, Henn et al. I understand the signing of Podsednik and trade for Davis. I understand BLA BLA BLA....

Other than agreeing with Jdog on his view, I have been wondering the peculiarity around Jays' free agent ML signing. The management and scouts trusts JBau, Hill, Lind to have on average .300 AVG and 30 HR each (35 Hr from JBau, 20-25 HR from the other two), Snider to keep progress (.300 25-ish HRs?),  EE being himself (.250, 25-ish HRs?). And another 30-ish HRs from other sources (Escobar with 15-ish, Davis, JPA et al chip in another 15-ish) . Roughly 170-ish HRs in total but with a loss of an elder (Wells) in the clubhouse.

Put it in other words, there are not enough stats of the past to let me (or make me) believe the Jays could avoid an offense void. Barring another trade (which I and other posters here think is quite possible), the performance of a lineup with JBau batting third, followed by Hill, Lind and Snider as the 3,4,5,6 batters relies a lot on the staff to understand the behind the scene, intangible or whatever elements that cannot simply be predicted by stats.

Or simply put, baseball cannot be predicted or only be explained in part by what can be presented, say stats, scouting reports, prospect ranking, drafts and other tangibles. In the end, baseball is cultural. With AA, Beeston working on increasing the Jays and baseball's influence in Canada and trusting (or relying) on farm system, scouts, drafting, organizational depth and other past practices, the management are heading the cultural means in settling the Jays for the long term in Canada. I don't know if such management is good or bad, simply because:
1) there are no absolutely black and white in culture.
2) culture is possibly the best way of consolidating a team in a city. Just look at the Leafs and their long existence.

Correct me if my perspectives are not well placed. But is my idea new ?
Gwyn - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 08:22 PM EST (#230365) #
According to a couple of tweets that have just appeared ESPN Desportes is reporting that the club are close to a deal with Bautista for 'around' five years and $65M.
Gerry - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 08:31 PM EST (#230367) #

When the Jays sign a minor league free agent, they are usually just filling a roster spot.  You want a player who will fit in and not create problems in the clubhouse or on the bus.  When the Jays bring back a player that is a sign that the player is a good team guy.

Signing some Canadian players for these spots is a good idea.  They usually make news through the season in their home town or province and that is good PR for the Jays.

Dewey - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 09:42 PM EST (#230370) #
What game are cybercavalier plays?   There are so many slips in expression in your two posts that they draw away from whatever you seem to want to say.  You get a (small, one-time) break if this is because English isnít your native language; but you can do better than this.  Couldnít tell about your perspectives; but your language is ill-expressed.

   Tough love.   Dewey

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Is the Jays employing a strategy

What game is the Jays playing? 

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 I understand BLA BLA BLA....

 I have been wondering the peculiarity around

 The management and scouts trusts JBau, Hill, Lind

 there are not enough stats of the past to let me. . . believe the Jays could avoid an offense void.

 In the end, baseball is cultural.

  the management are heading the cultural means in settling the Jays for the long term in Canada.
 
1) there are no absolutely black and white in culture.

Correct me if my perspectives are not well placed.

JohnL - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 09:59 PM EST (#230373) #
Is the Jays employing a strategy
What game is the Jays playing? 

I understand BLA BLA BLA....
I have been wondering the peculiarity around
The management and scouts trusts JBau, Hill, Lind
there are not enough stats of the past to let me. . . believe the Jays could avoid an offense void.

In the end, baseball is cultural.
the management are heading the cultural means in settling the Jays for the long term in Canada.
there are no absolutely black and white in culture.
Correct me if my perspectives are not well placed.

Now, don't tell me that couldn't get published in a journal of baseball poetry.
cybercavalier - Wednesday, February 16 2011 @ 11:58 PM EST (#230389) #
Sorry guys, I am sometimes carried away by my thoughts. Just try to use a word processor whenever I post a note.
christaylor - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 07:50 AM EST (#230400) #
Buck made a ton of mistakes as a play by play man Shulman he is not -- Campbell was certainly less error prone, despite some of his annoying phrases.

A booth with Campbell as pbp and Buck as color could be the best team Rogers could offer right now.

Please. No. More. Costantino. Worse than Rob Faulds.
ZekeBella - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 08:00 AM EST (#230402) #

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it   or something like that.  Unless there is something going on that we do know about, this deal is every bit as bad as the Wells contract. I am shocked that AA would deviate from his philosophy to sign a journeyman coming off a career year. I expected maybe 3 years, 30M at the most.. Please tell me that there is not a no-trade clause as well! Maybe the Angels will be calling!. This makes no sense. Things may turn ugly very quickly with Bautista at 3rd and Snyder in RF with a novice 1B as well. or whatever combination they can come up with.  All the good coming from the Wells dump has now been undone.  There was no hope for  2011 anyway but where is the flexibility to sign free agents for 2012 now?

 

AA, say it ain't so!!  You have exchanged one albatross for another and snatched away our future hope.

ZekeBella - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 08:09 AM EST (#230403) #

All the good coming from the Wells dump has now been undone.  There was no hope for  2011 anyway but where is the flexibility to sign free agents for 2012 now?

Before someone jumps on that statement, let me pull back a bit. Obviously, the annual payout to Bautista may only be about half of what Wells would have received so there may still be some flexibility but I still strongly disagree with AA buliding his team around a guy coming off one good year. It just does not seem to be the AA philosophy and I wonder if there was pressure from Rogers.  I would have much preferred them chasing Michael Young. At least that would have set up a decent defensive alignment.

 

85bluejay - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 08:11 AM EST (#230404) #
Jaime Campbell drove me to watching games with the mute button on - There is not a single Blue Jays TV guy that I enjoy so I'm still watching on mute - the sound only comes on when I need an explanation of something i couldn't decipher - I  encourage more fans to try this method, it's thoroughly enjoyable.
Chuck - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 08:19 AM EST (#230405) #

I thought Zaun, while clearly still encountering some growing pains, showed a lot of potential when I listened to him during the 2010 playoffs.

I am sad to see both Mulliniks and Cosentino go.

I agree with the take on Zaun. He's still quite unpolished, but there is definitely a competent colour man set to one day emerge. And he appears to be positioning himself for a life in broadcasting much like Buck Martinez did towards the end of his career.

I, too, agree on Mulliniks. While too much Rance could get tiresome, he's a man with something to say and in possession of analytical skills that are rarely seen in Toronto. He will be missed.

For my tastes, Cosentino just tried too hard to impress and was difficult to take.

My personal bete noire has always been the inert milquetoast that is Pat Tabler. The day he stops broadcasting Jays' games is the day I'll stop screaming at my TV set. And maybe that vain in my forehead can finally recede to its normal position.

85bluejay - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 08:21 AM EST (#230406) #

I would have much preferred them chasing Michael Young.

If this happens,then I'm off the bandwagon - just a horrible idea IMO

Thomas - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 09:05 AM EST (#230412) #
For my tastes, Cosentino just tried too hard to impress and was difficult to take.

I have not heard Cosentino do commentary enough to have a firm opinion on him. My statement more referred to him as a sideline reporter, where they are on the broadcast so infrequently as to barely matter. He seemed to be eager about the sport, which made me like him.

I think your take on Rance is quite accurate. While sometimes he would repeatedly beat one drum, I'd rather be subject to one drum of insight than four or five drums of bland neutral statements. Listening to Mulliniks, it was very easy to discern his particular hitting philosophy, which I enjoyed. It was interesting to get his thoughts on how he would have approached different situations, counts and pitchers. I think Rance worked well in the arrangement over the last few years, as listeners were provided insight into his approach for a couple of series, but were then provided some contrast.

#2JBrumfield - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 09:24 AM EST (#230413) #

The Jays have brought back Vince Perkins who pitched in independent ball in 2010.

If Vince Perkins does make his way to the Dome again, let's hope it goes much better than the last time he was here.  Here's a brief blurb on his signing.

bpoz - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 10:38 AM EST (#230422) #
I really thought that the Jays were doing a trade for J Bau, I even guessed that it was with Atlanta. So I really missed the boat on that one.

Having admitted that, I have so much faith & confidence in AA's brilliance that I now must try to figure out (impossible task) what his plan may be, taking into consideration that he admitted that he likes to think 2 moves ahead.

I have not seen the year by year breakdown of the 5 year payout. But I expect it is an increasing amount each year. I believe that he does not give "No Trade" clauses.

1) AA knows that Arb with J Bau would get him 1year + draft picks if he goes elsewhere. That has value.
2) If the team plays well over the next few years because the SP is V Good & deep and AA built a 2011 Bullpen that is pretty good at a cost of about $20 mil that he willingly spent. IMO he is probably thinking 2 steps ahead, regarding building a V Strong offense & defense. JB could be a contributer to that type of Offense & Defense.
3) TRADES !!! If JB can improve on 2010 (unlikely) then he could get consideration for MVP like that Boston player. Now you can get a big haul of top prospects for a long term cheap MVP type player. Another valuable trading chip could be T Snider after he has a 40+Hr 100Rbi season that I honestly believe he is capable of if healthy & within 2 years. IMO much better than trading him for Z Greinke as recently rumored.
4) AA probably has a dozen more possibilities hatching.
Dewey - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 12:29 PM EST (#230440) #

Now, don't tell me that couldn't get published in a journal of baseball poetry.

Ya know, JohnL, that does have a certain je ne say quoits to it.  Could be.

But now I'm worried about the vain in Chuck's forehead.
#2JBrumfield - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 02:01 PM EST (#230456) #
I'll mention this here as well.  A press conference is set for 5pm today according to The National Post to announce Bautista's new deal.
Jonny German - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 02:04 PM EST (#230459) #
Why is Chuck so vain about his forehead?
R Billie - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 02:27 PM EST (#230467) #
Before someone jumps on that statement, let me pull back a bit. Obviously, the annual payout to Bautista may only be about half of what Wells would have received so there may still be some flexibility but I still strongly disagree with AA buliding his team around a guy coming off one good year. It just does not seem to be the AA philosophy and I wonder if there was pressure from Rogers.  I would have much preferred them chasing Michael Young. At least that would have set up a decent defensive alignment.

Michael Young over Jose Bautista?  Am I reading that right?  A 34 year old with limited defence and declining offence over a 30 year old who can play two positions and coming off a 50+ homerun, 100 walk season?  The Rangers signed Beltre to big money because they didn't like Young defensively at 3B.  Are the Jays going to get use out of him if he got moved off third just like Encarnacion?

All that matters with Bautista is if he's a homerun threat with patience going forward.  He's always had a decent walk rate in his career, one of the few (only?) Blue Jays that does.  He is now dangerous on offspeed pitches too, not just fastballs.  The Jays believe in his change.  That's what it comes down to in the end.
ZekeBella - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 02:31 PM EST (#230470) #

I would have much preferred them chasing Michael Young.

If this happens,then I'm off the bandwagon - just a horrible idea IMO

Giving all that money to a guy who produced one year to play 3rd base is  a GOOD idea?  Young has a track record at least.  Unless AA has something else up his sleeve, and I doubt that, then I am grasping for a hold on that bandwagon right now. 

 

MatO - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 03:38 PM EST (#230490) #

Young has a track record

In the context of a third baseman that track record has been nothing special for 4 of the last 5 years and he's still owed $48M over the next 3 years and he's exactly 4 years older than Bautista.  They have the same birthday!

mathesond - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 03:39 PM EST (#230491) #
"Young has a track record at least."

And what, exactly, is in Young's track record as a 3rd baseman to make him worth $14 million/year (hey, that's more than Bautista averages!)
Mike Green - Thursday, February 17 2011 @ 04:26 PM EST (#230500) #
Repeat DWIs (or DUIs as they call them south of the border) capture my attention fully, so I've got Miguel Cabrera on my mind. 
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