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MLB Trade Rumors lists the Jays as a team that might trade shortstops this winter, while the Phillies and Brewers will be hunting. Would you trade Diaz for a decent prospect?
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hypobole - Saturday, October 13 2018 @ 12:29 AM EDT (#366943) #
Already said a while back I'd look to trade Diaz if the return was right. Too many infielders coming off down years need playing time to hopefully regain some value. Plus 3rd base will be taken for the foreseeable future.

Diaz actually has value, but unless he gets playing time, he's just an asset being wasted.
dan gordon - Saturday, October 13 2018 @ 12:32 AM EDT (#366944) #
After a slow start with his new team, something that's not unusual, Diaz slashed .282/.320/.474/.794 from Apr 30 to the end of the year. He was battling some injuries in 2017, but in 2016 he was at .300/.369/.510/.879. In both 2016 and 2018 he hit HR's at about a 25 per full season pace. He's a better hitter than people give him credit for. Defensively, he's not great at SS, but I thought he looked good at 3B. Given that 3B is spoken for here, maybe he should be tried at 2B. I think he has a fair bit of value - he's not a free agent until 2023, and isn't even arb eligible this year. I think they can put up with his defense at SS next year if they don't think they can contend for a playoff spot. If he's having a good season, you could probably trade him for something fairly significant. If they trade him this offseason, it probably means they are going with Gurriel at SS, and I'd rather see Gurriel tried in the OF. As in any evaluation of possibly trading a player, it depends on what you can get for him. I'd want a pretty significant prospect for Diaz.
hypobole - Saturday, October 13 2018 @ 12:39 AM EDT (#366945) #
dan you forgetting Tulo? Plus we we have Drury. But yeah, Diaz should have value.
dan gordon - Saturday, October 13 2018 @ 01:52 AM EDT (#366946) #
Nope, not forgetting Tulo. I said at the start of this season that I thought he was likely finished, and I believe that even stronger now. At his age, coming off 3 major surgeries (1 ankle and 1 on each foot), not having played for almost 2 years as of next spring, a long history of major injuries, I think the chance that he's ever a decent major league player again is very small.

I don't think Drury is going to be an effective player. If you account for the extreme hitters' park he played in for 2016 and 2017, his numbers are very unexciting. Probably has a few seasons as a decent backup infielder. He has some pretty good defensive numbers at 2B, some pretty bad defensive numbers at 3B, and he's certainly no SS. His career road slash numbers are .236/.281/.365/.646, and I figure that's about what he is - maybe he improves a little, as he's 26 and could have a little more in the tank. Frankly, if I was running the team he'd be a non-tender candidate, as he's arb eligible for 2019 and is likely just to take away AB's from somebody who could actually develop into a productive player.
scottt - Saturday, October 13 2018 @ 08:44 AM EDT (#366948) #
On the shortstop front, Gregorius is out for 8 to 12 months. He's arbitration eligible for about 12M and on his last year, which makes him an obvious non-tender candidate. The Yankees could go after Machado who will command a huge contract or go with in house options which would seem to set them up for a third consecutive wild card.

Travis is also mentioned as a trade candidate for second base. I'm not expecting much in return.

And it didn't take long for Sonny Gray to be put on the blocks.
I'm still not sure if that trade was worst for Oakland or New York.

Chuck - Saturday, October 13 2018 @ 11:00 AM EDT (#366950) #
After a slow start with his new team, something that's not unusual

Is that really true? Or is it just an excuse to select preferred end points? I don't pretend to know but I just feel like this kind of thing is narrative-driven and not necessarily based on empirical evidence.

Solarte was a counterpoint. He started strong and finished poorly. Of course narratives to explain his arc are plentiful. He was over-exposed, he was not used to playing so much, the league figured him out, etc. (While the league was figuring out Solarte, Diaz and Grichuk were figuring out the league.)

I guess my caution is that using narratives to drive end points is a less than sober way to make objective assessments.

SK in NJ - Saturday, October 13 2018 @ 11:07 AM EDT (#366951) #
If the team wants Gurriel to play short regardless of defensive ability, then the best lineup the Jays can field internally is Diaz at third, Gurriel at short, and Drury at second. Like others I don't expect Tulo to play for the Jays again, and while Travis is cheap enough to bring back (especially since has options left) it is debatable whether he will ever be a starting 2B again given his injuries/decline in performance.

As far as trading Diaz, trading anyone for the right price should be considered. He has four years of control left and is still cheap, so he should have value. On the flip side, with four years remaining, he'll have value to the early Vlad years as well (assuming he can remain a league average or better bat that can cover all infield positions). If someone offers a great deal, then do it. If not, no issues holding on to him, at least until more of the IF prospects start to filter up (Bichette, Biggio, etc).
scottt - Saturday, October 13 2018 @ 01:28 PM EDT (#366954) #
Grichuk had some mechanical issues that he sorted out when hurt.
Diaz is a great fastball hitter who swings at the first pitch.
I'm hoping they'll both have good Aprils but I'd have more confidence in that if there were no changes in the coaching staff.

Glevin - Saturday, October 13 2018 @ 03:14 PM EDT (#366956) #
Drury's AAA numbers although small sample size last year, give me hope. He was much better than he was in AAA a few years before with similar luck. Especially as he apparently had blurry vision before. Anyway, he is probably a 1-1.5 WAR player with versatility even if he doesn't improve projected to make around $1.4M. Not even close to a non-tender candidate.
SK in NJ - Saturday, October 13 2018 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#366957) #
There was an article prior to the 2018 season mentioning how Drury wanted to increase his launch angle to hit more home runs and worked with Robert Van Scoyoc that off-season to help with that (apparently the one who helped JD Martinez last season). It's a very small sample size, but Drury's launch angle in 2018 was 13.4, which was significantly higher than in previous years. We won't know if that would have manifested into something since he got hurt, then demoted, then traded, then hurt again.

I don't think the Jays acquired him to be what he was in the past, but rather they think he will be better with adjustments and maybe tap into his power potential. At age 26, with 3-4 years of control left (he was demoted so don't know he has three full seasons or is a Super 2), it wouldn't be unreasonable to see him improve, especially if it's related to changing his swing path or other similar adjustments.
Richard S.S. - Saturday, October 13 2018 @ 05:59 PM EDT (#366959) #
New York Yankees acquired Brandon Drury to be their Starting 3B so the Star Rookie didn't have to be rushed. Between not mentioning blurred vision and migraines that he's had for years and an elbow injury in Spring Training, it wasn't long before he hit the D.L. to stay. The Star Rookie turned out to be a Stud, even better than projected and Brandon Drury's career as a Yankee was basically over. More fool them.

Brandon Drury 2B/LF/RF/3B is under contract through 2022.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/drurybr01.shtml
I don't think he goes anywhere with that much control remaining.

Richard S.S. - Saturday, October 13 2018 @ 06:37 PM EDT (#366960) #
Aledmys Diaz SS/3B is under contract through 2023.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/diazal02.shtml
You don't need great, just good Players. That's what he is.

Lourdes Gurriel Jr. SS/2B is under contract through 2023.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=gourri000lou
He had a breakout year in 2018 offensively and might have an improvement defensively with regular playing time.



John Northey - Sunday, October 14 2018 @ 12:58 AM EDT (#366962) #
The SS/2B/3B situation for 2019/2020 will be an interesting one to watch this winter and into the spring.

Injured and near impossible to trade: Tulo
Limited to 2B: Travis
"Plays" SS: Gurriel, Diaz, Urena, Drury, Martin
In minors SS: Bo Bichette
In minors 3B: Vlad (well, until mid-April)
In minors 2B: Biggio, more likely 1B/RF/3B but we'll see - he did play once at SS too.
Likely gone: Solarte, Berti
Actually did play at 3B: Morales (1 inning on July 2nd, Smoak in for Diaz and goes to 1B, Travis in for Solarte no plays or any near him)

Santiago Espinal played in AA for the Jays last year (286/354/395) after coming from Boston where he didn't get higher than A+ and is 24 next season and was acquired in the Steve Pearce deal...hmm, that might work out if he is decent defensively (no idea offhand).

So I see Travis/Tulo/Gurriel to start, with Diaz mixed in somewhere everyday (maybe Gurriel moving around) until Vlad arrives, then all heck breaks loose. Or we see trades, trades, trades. I'm betting on lots of trades then tons of debate all spring about what to do with Tulo. In the end an IF of Gurriel/Diaz/Vlad with Drury and Martin the backups (ugly on defense, but should be solid on offense) by mid-summer, and 2020 will see Gurriel/Bo/Vlad and some other kids for backup, maybe Drury, or we could see Vlad or Gurriel or both move to the OF and Diaz kept. One thing is for sure - it'll be fun to watch with tons of debates and hopefully no more Morales at 3B.
ISLAND BOY - Sunday, October 14 2018 @ 08:25 AM EDT (#366963) #
The main focus next spring is whether Tulo can come back to play nearly every day, or even at all. Many have speculated he won't be able to after nearly two years away and I,too, am sceptical. A lot of the jockeying on the infield will depend on his status.
hypobole - Sunday, October 14 2018 @ 09:10 AM EDT (#366965) #
Nobody truly knows what Tulo will be. Victor Martinez missed his entire age 33 season, then came back to have seasons of 113 and 172 OPS+ at ages 34 and 35.

There were 2 differences though. The Martinez injury was sudden rather than both sudden and chronic. And Martinez had a 131 OPS+ prior to his injury, as opposed to Tulo's 80. How much of Tulo's issues were related to his heel(s)? None of us can know.

Per Atkins' comments, it seems Tulo will get first crack at the starter job, but there will be a leash. How long that leash will be is again something none of us know.

Right now, the Tulo situation is akin to Churchill's Russia comment - "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma".
scottt - Sunday, October 14 2018 @ 10:18 AM EDT (#366966) #
The Russian mystery was that Stalin was allied with Hitler until he turned on him.

The Tulo situation is less nefarious. It's just that nobody knows how much he's aged and how healthy he'll be.
Bird, incidentally, hasn't recovered well.

bpoz - Sunday, October 14 2018 @ 10:54 AM EDT (#366968) #
If Tulo cannot play up to the lowest FO expectations, they will have to make a calculation.
1) How much of the $38 mil left are they prepared to basically write off? By limiting his role. How will that affect the clubhouse atmosphere negatively?
2) By playing him do they slow the rebuild? How much?

Because the quicker they start to win the sooner the revenues start pouring in.
dalimon5 - Sunday, October 14 2018 @ 01:23 PM EDT (#366973) #
It's quite simple in my opinion. If Tulo comes back as Tulo then he's your starting shortstop for all of 2019. Healthy Tulo means you are getting a clubhouse leader and a player that is 1.5-2WAR as a floor. It's a no brainer.

If Tulo comes back and is just a clubhouse guy who can't field SS or hit like he has in the past or if his last 2 years of playing stats were NOT affected by injury but age decline instead (which he has said is due to playing injured) - then there's no question you cut bait and move on.

I understand the posters wanting to see which Tulo comes back. I don't understand the ones that want to dismiss him before his trial even begins. If he's junk upon return then you find an alternative then. It's like anything. If Vlad can't lay off pitches and struggles with major league pitching, baserunning and defence then you deal with it then.
Glevin - Sunday, October 14 2018 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#366974) #
"understand the posters wanting to see which Tulo comes back. I don't understand the ones that want to dismiss him before his trial even begins."

A whole bunch of reasons
1) Good Tulo of three years ago is still worse than Diaz. You need the Tulo of five years ago to be an upgrade. That's not going to happen.
2) There is no chance Tulo is around when the Jays are competitive.
3) Giving Tulo a shot means not giving it to someone else. Can Gurriel be a SS? I don't know but I'd rather find that out then find out if Tulo is a 0 WAR or a 1 WAR player.
4) the chance of 34 yo with tons of injuries being as good as he was at 31 is extremely remote.
5) there is no shot Tulo will ever have trade value. He's getting paid like a star and has an extensive injury history. Best case scenario, Jays only have to pay down some of his salary?
6) When does this end? Tulo gets off to a bad start and it's " he has been off for two years, he needs to get back in the groove", he gets hurt and it's "we have to wait to see what he's like when he's healthy". Hes been useless for two years, he hasn't been a very good player ever in Toronto. He's 34 years old. What's the point?
CeeBee - Sunday, October 14 2018 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#366975) #
can we put you down in the get rid of Tulo camp?
dalimon5 - Sunday, October 14 2018 @ 05:31 PM EDT (#366976) #
Glevin wrote:

"A whole bunch of reasons
1) Good Tulo of three years ago is still worse than Diaz. You need the Tulo of five years ago to be an upgrade. That's not going to happen."
----> 2 Years ago... Tulo 2016 - 3.4 WAR 3 Years ago...Tulo 2015 2.8 WAR 5 Years ago... Tulo 2014 5.5 WAR
--------------> Diaz 2016 WAR 3.4 WAR (his best to date in STL) Diaz 2018 WAR 1.4 WAR

Conclusion...You're blowing a whole bunch of smoke in the wrong direction. Tulo's last full season was worth roughly twice the WAR of Diaz' 2018.

"2) There is no chance Tulo is around when the Jays are competitive."
- By that logic you should be throwing Stroman, Sanchez, Travis and Pillar into the same category as Tulo. Actually, why field a team at all for 2019 or 2020? Wait...Vlad isn't what he's cracked up to be? That's okay...let's not field a team until 2025 when he hits his peak and there's zero wasted value anywhere else on the diamond. Yeah...that'll work real good!

"3) Giving Tulo a shot means not giving it to someone else. Can Gurriel be a SS? I don't know but I'd rather find that out then find out if Tulo is a 0 WAR or a 1 WAR player."
----> Let me get this straight, you would rather take Tulo's worst injury shortened season, take his last full season which is clearly calculated as being worth more than Gurriel, Diaz or any other SS option...and you want to see if somebody else can be a SS? You "don't know" if they could be but you want to find out if you can turn a non SS into a quality SS than play Tulo. What happens if you find out that Gurriel or Diaz can't play shortstop. Then what? Oops...you forgot to consider the other part of your fantasy videogame rationale...you know...the real part where we don't have a SS until farm prospects develop.

"4) the chance of 34 yo with tons of injuries being as good as he was at 31 is extremely remote."
--->Agreed but he doesn't have to be that good, and the likelihood of a Cuban OF or back up infielder becoming a more valuable SS is even less likely.

"5) there is no shot Tulo will ever have trade value. He's getting paid like a star and has an extensive injury history. Best case scenario, Jays only have to pay down some of his salary?"
---> Wake up...players with trade value are under 25, paid minimum or way below fair value and here's a newsflash...they're not being traded. Why on earth would we need to get trade value for any 30+ veteran on our team? Go back to your videogame mentality where you want to compare Tulo to a 97 rating in videogameland.

"6) When does this end? Tulo gets off to a bad start and it's " he has been off for two years, he needs to get back in the groove", he gets hurt and it's "we have to wait to see what he's like when he's healthy". Hes been useless for two years, he hasn't been a very good player ever in Toronto. He's 34 years old. What's the point?"
----> It ends when you have a short stop that can play SS with above average defense, 20+ home run power, doesn't make errors and when you aren't already paying someone else to do the exact same job. It ends when you realize it's okay to have a SS that isn't a 5.5 WAR player anymore but a team leader with a 0-2 WAR floor that's a perfect bridge and probably a manager in waiting.

You want to run every player out of town that has been injured, lost trade value or if there's a possible cheaper alternative or that's how your post comes across. I'm actually in the camp of clearing out veterans and bringing in youth, but I don't want 25 25 year olds on the baseball club. Sometimes it's good to have grown ups to straighten out the kids, both on the field and in some online forums. There's a much better punching bag at first base you can direct your vitriol towards...wait he was one of our best players in 2018?
bpoz - Sunday, October 14 2018 @ 07:07 PM EDT (#366977) #
Glevin makes sense to me.
So do many others. Tulo will show what he can do. Then decisions will be made.
Glevin - Sunday, October 14 2018 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#366978) #
Tulo being done is the opposite of video game baseball. Itís looking at five year trends where his numbers, almost all his numbers have gotten worse. Hard ball rate, ground ball rate, etc...Dave Cameron was writing about his declining statistics in 2016. He is now A 34 year old who has been declininig for five years, has missed the last year and a half due to injury, and is two years older than any starting shortstop in baseball. Heís at an age where even if he werenít hurt all the time, heíd probably have to move off SS. I have no idea where this optimism cok s from. Itís certainly not based on any statistical or historical analysis (the phrase wishful thinking comes to mind). And Diaz has been better than Tulowitzki every year. Tuloís 2014 is about as relevant as Ty Cobbís 1909. Tulo had 0 WAR this year and 0.1 WAR last year. You canít remove them because they were injured years. I have no personal animosity to any player in baseball (except those that do abhorrent things in their personal lives). Like many I was super excited when Tulo arrived and have been greatly disappointed that we never got to see th elite player he was for so many years, I am a firm believer that rebuilding teams shouldnít be blocking young players who are already demonstrably better with mediocre veterans.
mendocino - Sunday, October 14 2018 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#366979) #
Diaz to Yankees for Sonny Gray ?

https://jaysjournal.com/2018/10/14/blue-jays-sonny-gray-aledmys-diaz/
John Northey - Sunday, October 14 2018 @ 10:48 PM EDT (#366980) #
Zero interest in that trade - Gray has one year of control left and is going to cost over $6 million, Diaz 4 or 5 years and isn't yet to arbitration.
Richard S.S. - Sunday, October 14 2018 @ 11:11 PM EDT (#366981) #
Acquiring Troy Tulowitzki in 2015 got the Jays to the Postseason, with flawless Defense throughout remainder of that Season and enough Offense to win some games outright. His great years were well behind, but he still was above average. His Offense and Defense in 2016 (still above average) helped get the Jays back into the Post Season. Until he went on the D.L. to stay in 2017 his Offense and Defense was still good. What is he now? I don't know, nor does anyone else.
Richard S.S. - Sunday, October 14 2018 @ 11:29 PM EDT (#366982) #
If trading a Roster Player in the Offseason, whether in a package or not, a significant piece should/must be coming back. The Jays' biggest need going forward is a Front-Of-The-Rotation Starter or two. Certainly can't have enough of that. Sonny Gray is not and never was quite that.
scottt - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 06:47 AM EDT (#366983) #
Sonny Gray makes zero sense. He needs to pitch in another division.
rpriske - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 09:08 AM EDT (#366986) #
Would I trade Diaz for a decent prospect?

As long as that prospect was at least 'decent', in a heartbeat.

Right now I would have Diaz playing short and Gurriel playing 2nd, bit there ARE other options so if they can get value for him, do it.

hypobole - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 09:23 AM EDT (#366987) #
A little something on Astros' bench coach Espada, who seems to be on the Jays (among others) managerial list.

https://canoe.com/sports/baseball/toronto-blue-jays/astros-bench-coach-espada-a-potential-fit-as-blue-jays-manager/wcm/4ed6ff8c-cf44-470c-be41-255b4306c25c
85bluejay - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 10:03 AM EDT (#366988) #
I don't have a favourite for the Jays next manager but I hope that Giants bench coach (previously their hitting coach) Hensley Meulens who's multilingual (Spanish/Japanese/Dutch) and was a finalist for the Yankees job last year and Astros bench coach Joe Espada who was previously the Yankees 3rd base coach both get at least sit down interviews.

Stubby Clapp, who has gotten a lot of pub for the Jays job may make a fine manager but I found it curious that the organisation that should know him best, the Cardinals,chose not to promote him when they fired Mike Matheny and moved rather quickly to remove the intern tag from Mike Shildt when Clapp was available.
PeterG - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 10:33 AM EDT (#366989) #
According to all known sources, Espada is being interviewed while Meulens is not.
Cracka - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 10:35 AM EDT (#366990) #
Clapp and John Schneider are great candidates because of their winning pedigree. But neither has spent much time ever on or around a major league roster. That's concerning to me because there's a certain gravitas that is required/expected from an MLB manager and you really don't know if they've got it. You could hire an experienced bench coach (Eric Wedge?) to help mentor a young manager... but I think it makes more sense for Schneider (definitely) and Clapp (possibly) to be a major league coach for a season or two before trying to be a MLB manager.



scottt - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 10:55 AM EDT (#366992) #
I think the biggest risk is taking someone with no actual game managing experience like Farrell.
Isn't Eric Wedge older than Gibbons?
With a young team, you need to get everyone to hustle on the field and keep doing practices all year round while making sure everyone is having fun. Some vets like Smoak, Pillar, Martin, even Morales seem like the kind of guys who don't mind going through that--maybe not the hustle part. Nobody has asked to be traded.

Btw, the 2 games in Montreal this year will be against the Brewers.
Very tempting if that's closer to you than Toronto.

scottt - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 11:01 AM EDT (#366993) #
In an Yankeecentric view, Gray needs to be traded and they need a middle infielder, ergo trade of Gray against the Jays's best middle infielder.

I'd consider Diaz for one of their top pitching prospect though.

hypobole - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 11:05 AM EDT (#366994) #
Stroman and Grichuk for Shane Bieber. Thoughts?
bpoz - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 11:17 AM EDT (#366995) #
Lets see what happens with S Gray. If NYY wants to get rid of him they will IMO. Their return may not matter much to them. They consider themselves an elite org and operate/spend accordingly. They have been willing to eat contracts. S Gray in the pen as a long man may interest them.
The Jays plans have not been announced yet. I don't think that they will be announced.
R Atkins has announced that the young players will play the most. I think almost all of us were not surprised by this. The details of who, where and how much are not clear. He has not said anything about Vlad I believe. I think he is playing that by ear.

His comments about Tulo surprised me. His Martin comments did not surprise me. I am unaware what he has said about any other veterans.
IMO he knows his plans and goals for this off season. I don't think he will tell us.
PeterG - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 11:39 AM EDT (#366997) #
Jays with 3 top 20 prospects in the Gulf Coast League according to BA...#'s 5, 15 and 19. I think this article is available without subsciption:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/rankings/gulf-coast-league-top-20-prospects/
Glevin - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 12:01 PM EDT (#366999) #
wondering how the manager search is going. One name that came up this time is Mike Matheney who did a terrible job and seemed to be generally hated in St. Louis. Hard pass. I obviously donít know who the best fit is but I like Sandy Alomar in the face of things. Experience, Spanish speaker and also comes from a baseball family like a lot of the Jays coming up do. He could also bring Robbie with him as bench coach or something.
bpoz - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 12:07 PM EDT (#367000) #
What is the history of TB trading with their division rivals? Everyone knows that TB trades stars for prospects. D Price and A Cobb ended up playing for their AL East rivals anyway. So trading with them for their best prospects only changes the time frame.
The positive is that the TB stars will become FAs soon in 2-3 years. So the AL rivals lose the stars potentially and definitely the top prospects. This could be an overall weakening of their AL rivals. TB will find a way to win on their budget and if they do lose nobody gets upset.
85bluejay - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#367002) #
Sandy Alomar interviewed for and was described as one of the favourites for the Jays job when John Farrell was hired - I can't think of another name in the last decade that has been linked to more managerial openings and had numerous interviews without actually getting the job than Sandy Alomar - I have formed the opinion that he doesn't interview well and that time may have past him by.
Mike Green - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 01:21 PM EDT (#367004) #
Stroman and Grichuk for Shane Bieber. Thoughts?

I haven't seen Bieber pitch, but based on what I have read, I doubt that Cleveland would do this.    He looks like an ace-in-the-making, and he's got his pre-arb years ahead of him. Stroman and Grichuk are going to cost maybe $13-$14 million between them, and you can buy a pretty good right-field platoon for that price. 

By the way, Joe Posnanski has suggested that they should be called the Cleveland Fellers.  That's good.  If we are going with former Cleveland players, how about the Cleveland Dobies. 


John Northey - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 01:22 PM EDT (#367005) #
PeterG - thanks for the link, no locks as I don't have a subscription. Here are the 3 and a condensed notes on each (focusing on stuff we don't see in stats)

#5: Jordan Groshans - SS/3B
12th overall pick. He has an above-average arm and showed solid defensive actions, but heís still cleaning up his defense and might ultimately lack the first-step quickness to stick at shortstop. He squares up good pitching with quick bat speed and plus raw power. Other notes on him too but those caught my eye the most.

#15: Gabriel Moreno - CA
One of the sleepers they found in 2016 was Moreno, a Venezuelan catcher they signed for just $25,000. Signed post-Vlad so no cash left. He rarely strikes out because his hand-eye coordination and barrel control is outstanding. Moreno is an athletic catcher with an average arm and a quick release, though he has to improve his blocking and receiving.

#19: Leonardo Jimenez - SS
The top bonus for a Panamanian player in 2017 went to Jimenez, who signed with the Blue Jays for $825,000. Has played international ball since 12 years old. A smart, instinctive player, fringe-average runner, Jimenez's defensive range is a question mark.
Gerry - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#367006) #
Sandy Alomar has been a candidate for years, for many jobs, not just the Jays. He has continuously been passed over, I wonder why? Does he not interview well?
Chuck - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 02:48 PM EDT (#367008) #
I am hoping that someone will rescue that poor teenage girl whose car broke down by the side of the road. Rogers insists on telling me her story during every commercial break. Sometimes twice in the same break. Perhaps Rogers can extend their advertising budget and commission a brand new commercial, one we haven't all seen eight million times.
hypobole - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 02:53 PM EDT (#367009) #
Chuck, I've starting yelling "Don't open the door!" every time my kid goes to open a door.
bpoz - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#367010) #
Hahaha. Thanks I needed that. Chuck, hypobole.
mathesond - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 03:47 PM EDT (#367011) #
Since Rogers apparently just decided to not accept ads for Faith Goldy's mayoral campaign, they may be short on money.
scottt - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#367012) #
Well, they retired the ad about the black father/son who sits in the bleachers, probably because the Jays are done. Wasn't there a third ad in that set?
PeterG - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 05:01 PM EDT (#367013) #
Here is an interesting article on Vlad by Shi Davidi. Among other things, he says that Vlad is not concerned about being held back for 3 weeks next season. Apparently, Vlad said as much in another interview that he did for Stephen Brunt.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/vladimir-guerrero-jr-says-hes-ready-play-blue-jays/
grjas - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 05:46 PM EDT (#367014) #
Yup..ĒIíve waited 19 years to play in the big-leagues, whatís another three weeks?Ē. Kidís only 19 and already showing more maturity than many major leaguers...and fans.

Love him.
greenfrog - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 07:38 PM EDT (#367015) #
"Love him."

Does this mean:

a) I love him.
b) Let's all love him.
c) Other.
SK in NJ - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#367016) #
Vlad Jr has a millionaire HOF as a father and knows he's going to be a free agent in his mid-20's, so he's probably not sweating the extra couple of weeks in the minors. Of course, that's what makes him much harder to sign to an extension, but either way the Jays have seven years of his prime regardless.

It's going to be a joy to watch him. Hopefully the team around him is good enough by 2020-21 to get 4-5 years of serious contention.
grjas - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 08:49 PM EDT (#367017) #
Does this mean:

All of the above
Michael - Monday, October 15 2018 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#367018) #
I don't know if others saw this, but apparently the Angles are giving manager candidates a 2 hour written test as part of the application process: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2800949-mlb-rumors-angels-giving-manager-candidates-2-hour-written-test
scottt - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 07:39 AM EDT (#367019) #
The extra year doesn't have a huge impact on Guerrero's earning potential.
It's just a 7th year at a high value instead of a year of free agency.
The super two cut off however...That would just be bad for everyone involved.

ISLAND BOY - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 07:51 AM EDT (#367020) #
Angels Evaluator 1: Okay, what did you think of the candidates?

Angels Evaluator 2: Well, Candidate A completed the test in one hour and 57 minutes, answered each question thoughtfully and in detail, and apparently has an aversion to spitting tobacco and sunflower seeds.

Angels Evaluator 1: Yes, but he misspelled several words. How do you misspell Trout?

Angels Evaluator 2: True. It would be hard for him to fill out a lineup card.

Angels Evaluator 1: What happened to Candidate B? He only filled out half of the test!

Angels Evaluator 2: He fell asleep after an hour. I told you he was too old.

Angels Evaluator 1: Yep, you were right. Definitely wouldn't be suitable for extra-inning games.

Angels Evaluator 2: Ah, but look at Candidate C! Excellent cursive writing, correct punctuation, and he even included detailed diagrams of what he hopes to achieve next year.

Angels Evaluator 1: But that was just a picture of what foods he wants in the post-game clubhouse spread.

Angels Evaluator 2: So? It shows he's interested in every facet of the team and cares about the players welfare.

Angels Evaluator 1: Or that he's a glutton. Look, he's got no managerial experience above Little League! Every other candidate is more qualified.

Angels Evaluator 2: Pfft, experience is over-rated. You don't always need experience at a position to be successful. Look at President Trump.

Angels Evaluator 1: Uh, yeah, how about we consider Candidate A again. Spelling isn't everything!

CeeBee - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 10:48 AM EDT (#367021) #
"Angels Evaluator 1: Okay, what did you think of the candidates?

Angels Evaluator 2: Well, Candidate A completed the test in one hour and 57 minutes, answered each question thoughtfully and in detail, and apparently has an aversion to spitting tobacco and sunflower seeds.

Angels Evaluator 1: Yes, but he misspelled several words. How do you misspell Trout?

Angels Evaluator 2: True. It would be hard for him to fill out a lineup card.

Angels Evaluator 1: What happened to Candidate B? He only filled out half of the test!

Angels Evaluator 2: He fell asleep after an hour. I told you he was too old.

Angels Evaluator 1: Yep, you were right. Definitely wouldn't be suitable for extra-inning games.

Angels Evaluator 2: Ah, but look at Candidate C! Excellent cursive writing, correct punctuation, and he even included detailed diagrams of what he hopes to achieve next year.

Angels Evaluator 1: But that was just a picture of what foods he wants in the post-game clubhouse spread.

Angels Evaluator 2: So? It shows he's interested in every facet of the team and cares about the players welfare.

Angels Evaluator 1: Or that he's a glutton. Look, he's got no managerial experience above Little League! Every other candidate is more qualified.

Angels Evaluator 2: Pfft, experience is over-rated. You don't always need experience at a position to be successful. Look at President Trump.

Angels Evaluator 1: Uh, yeah, how about we consider Candidate A again. Spelling isn't everything!"

Well done ISLAND BOY. you made my day.
bpoz - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#367022) #
Enjoyed reading this. Thanks.
rpriske - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#367023) #
Apparently Cubs bench coach Brandon Hyde has been added to the random speculation of possible Blue Jay managers list.
Thomas - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 01:38 PM EDT (#367024) #
Shi Davidi is reporting the Jays are down to five candidates.

The list is rumoured to include Espada, Hyde, Baldelli and David Bell.

If those names are all correct, that leaves the identity of one finalist unknown.
PeterG - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#367025) #
Rosenthal tweets that Sam Fuld has made a strong impression, so he may be the 5th on the apparent short list.
Mike Green - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#367026) #
As long as it isn't Jekyll, they should be all right.
PeterG - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 02:29 PM EDT (#367027) #
Whoops....despite his strong showing, it is now being reported that Fuld has withdrawn his name from contention.
Mike Green - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 02:29 PM EDT (#367028) #
Fuld is an interesting guy, but without any managerial experience.  He has one year as an information co-ordinator for the Phillies under Gabe Kapler. 
dalimon5 - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 02:39 PM EDT (#367029) #
Woodward is no longer in the running per report.
dalimon5 - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 02:41 PM EDT (#367030) #
Stubby Clap also going on record to say he hasn't had contact with Jays.

Baldelli is VERY interesting.
PeterG - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 02:44 PM EDT (#367031) #
Baldelli is the second most likely imo. I see David Bell as the most likely hire.
Thomas - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 03:13 PM EDT (#367032) #
I'm not sure why the Jays wouldn't have had at least an initial interview with Clapp.
hypobole - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#367033) #
Espada is my guy. If I were GM, I would automatically eliminate Baldelli and Bell from contention due to my 10 WAR rule.

My ideal manager had zero to negative career WAR in their playing days. Really have to impress; head and shoulders above impress; if between 0 to 10 career WAR.

Over 10 WAR? Good luck to the team that does hire the guy. They'll need it.

Needless to say this is one more reason I am not an MLB GM.
bpoz - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 03:36 PM EDT (#367034) #
There have been some good managers. I am no expert but Felipe Alou was good. I thought that he won more games based on the personnel he had. Gaston certainly won. Joe Maddon.
ISLAND BOY - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 04:13 PM EDT (#367035) #
Mike Scioscia was pretty good,also.
hypobole - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 04:25 PM EDT (#367036) #
Alou 42 WAR, 14 seasons managing, 1 Postseason win, 0 WS.

Cito -0.9 WAR, 13 seasons, 18 Postseason wins, 2 WS, 2 WS wins.

Maddon 0 WAR, 15 seasons, 32 Postseason wins, 2 WS, 1 WS win.

Kinda proves my point no?
Gerry - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 05:08 PM EDT (#367037) #
What managerial experience do any of them have? Baldelli and Espada have been coaches, what about the others?
dan gordon - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 05:10 PM EDT (#367038) #
I don't agree with the concept of evaluating managers based on the team getting to the post season or winning in the post season. Are the Red Sox and Astros battling for the AL championship now because of their managers? I kind of think it's because of people named Sale, Betts, Martinez, Bogaerts, Benintendi, Correa, Bregman, Altuve, Springer, Cole, Verlander, Keuchel, etc. I look at a manager's use of player personnel, development of young players, in game strategy, bullpen usage, etc. You know, things the manager actually controls. A good manager isn't going to be on a winning team if the players AREN'T good enough, and a bad manager can win if the players ARE good enough.
Richard S.S. - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#367039) #
Being able to understand very well and speak very well, English, Spanish and Analytics should be the main considerations for a Manager.
Thomas - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 06:29 PM EDT (#367040) #
Espada has never managed in the minor leagues. He's managed in winter ball. Baldelli's never managed, either.

Hyde has four years experience managing in the minor leagues. Bell managed for four years in the minors, as well (and has also served as a major league bench coach).

All four candidates have both coaching experience (even if it's not managerial experience) and experience in a front office role.

We just need to figure out which of the other rumoured names has experience in the front office and coaching to deduce who the likely other finalist is.
Thomas - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 06:35 PM EDT (#367041) #
Hyde also has experience as a major league coach and a bench coach. I just specified Bell had served in that role as it's not his current position.

Baldelli's the only one of the four without any managerial experience.

However, continuing from my other post, it seems Atkins and Shapiro have prioritized someone who has 1) major league coaching experience and 2) experience in a front office role.

Three of the four candidates have some form of managerial experience.

Three of the four candidates come from an organization that incorporates analytics heavily: Espada (Yankees/Astros), Baldelli (Rays) and Hyde (Cubs). Bell's most recent experience is with the Giants and Cardinals, but I imagine he is well-versed in analytics or else he may not have made it this far.
dalimon5 - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 07:23 PM EDT (#367042) #
Baldelli had one of the best reputations in the game when it came down to character and work ethic and being a teammate. They also called him Mr. Glass.

He also apparently had/has off the charts IQ and baseball acumen.

My sources are TV telecasts from his playing days.

My ideal choice would be a player that's smart and recently retired who had to show character to get playing time or possessed elite skills. IMHO JMac and Baldelli both fit that mold which is the exact same mold as Kevin Cash the best manager in pro sports IMHO. Elite here obviously refers to an element of their game that's league best. JMac and Cash were defence, for example.
Gerry - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 07:38 PM EDT (#367043) #
Thanks Thomas.
greenfrog - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 07:43 PM EDT (#367044) #
Boston has received outstanding value in the Pearce-Espinal trade.

Following the trade, Pearce hit .279/.394/.507 (143 wRC+ and 1.2 fWAR) in 165 regular-season PA. In the postseason, he has hit .318/.400/.500 and his stretch helped close out the series against the Yankees.

Whether it's attributable to bad luck or poor management, I think it's safe to say that in the aggregate the Jays did not receive good value for its prime rebuilding trade pieces (Osuna, Donaldson, Happ, Pearce, Granderson, Oh). And, of course, they did not obtain anything for Estrada, Tepera, or Pillar when those players had more value than they do now.
Richard S.S. - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 08:41 PM EDT (#367045) #
...I think it's safe to say that in the aggregate the Jays did not receive good value for its prime rebuilding trade pieces (Osuna, Donaldson, Happ, Pearce, Granderson, Oh)...

1) Roberto Osuna was never returning to the Jays after his "issue". Without that stupidity occurring he was more of a candidate for an extension than he was for a trade. You keep Pitchers who regularly throw in the upper 90s.
2) Contrary to some people's desires the Jays weren't going for a rebuild in 2018, they were trying for a win, right or wrong. Nobody was getting traded without a quality asset(s) coming back in return.
scottt - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 08:57 PM EDT (#367046) #
It just goes to show that Pearce was a great signing. It's the Bautista, Donaldson, Sanchez, etc that have disappointed.

It's worth mentioning that Pearce grew up a Red Sox fan/Yankees hater.

Never thought I'd enjoy an Osuna blow up so much.

I think they got great value for Osuna. Giles looks better and they got the 2 hard throwers.
Donaldson wasn't worth much.
They should have gotten more for Happ, but the guy is undervalued. That's how he ended up in Toronto.
I'm amazed they got anything for Granderson.
I do agree they did not get enough for Oh.
Tepera was never a trade target. I'm not aware of any team asking for Pillar.
Estrada was just  not good.
It's Garcia they should have moved to the pen earlier and traded as a reliever.

hypobole - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#367047) #
Vlad 3 for 4 today, including his 5th double. Also had a BB and a SF. Also stole a base. Also made his 1st AFL error.

Rough outing for Zach Jackson, 3 ER in 0.2 IP.
Richard S.S. - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#367048) #
What did the Jays get at the Trade Deadlines?
On the Team:
1. Ken Giles (28), Closer, Throws high 90s. 2nd Arb.
2. Billy McKinney (24), LF/RF, Bats Left, Pre-arb.
3. Brandon Drury (26), 2B/OF/3B, Bats Right, 1st Arb.
4. David Paulino (24), RHP, Reliever/Spot Starter, Pre-arb.
2019 Callup:
5. Corey Copping (24), RHP, Reliever, Pre-arb.
6. Jacob Waguespack, (24), RHP, Starter, Pre-arb.
7. Julian Merryweather, (27), RHP, Starter, Pre-arb.
Talented:
8. Santiago Espinal, SS, (23), Bats Right, AA.
9. Chad Spandenberg, 1B/RF, (22), Bats Left, A+.
10. Forrest Wall, 2B, (22), Bats Left, AA.
11. Bryan Baker, RHP, (23), Reliever, A+.
12. Hector Perez, RHP, (22), Starter/Reliever, AA.
13. Demi Orimoloye, OF, (21) Bats Right, A+.
greenfrog - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#367049) #
I would love to see a list of prospects/players the team could have acquired had they began executing moves last year or last off-season. We know that the Jays turned down Flaherty plus a prospect for Donaldson. We donít know much else, including what they might have been able to obtain for Osuna and Happ and others.

I donít see that Giles has a lot of value to the Jays in 2019-2020, except as a potential trade chip. The team needs more 19-year-olds and fewer players in their late 20s with limited years of control like Giles.

Iím not saying the team did a poor job of executing a salvage operation with what they had at the 2018 trade deadline. Itís just unfortunate that it was a salvage operation in the first place, instead of dealing from a position of strength.
John Northey - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#367050) #
The trades of this season will be rehashed for awhile. Bottom line was they were all guys who were going to be gone after 2018 so might as well dump them for anything you can get. If any of them become solid regulars in the majors (ie: get over 10 WAR as a Jay) I'll be extremely happy.
John Northey - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#367051) #
For Oh I think the Jays did great - here is a guy who is a middle man, not a closer, who the Jays got for $1 mil less than he made the year before. 3 prospects for that is damn good imo. Chad Spanberger has power and is just in his 2nd pro year. Forrest Wall is an OF who has hit fairly well so far in the minors (over 800 OPS in 3 of his 5 seasons).
Bryan Baker is a live arm with wildness issues this year but not his first 2 years (lifetime 3.6 BB/9 vs 9.7 K/9).

Any of those 3 would've been acceptable, but all 3 works out nicely imo.
SK in NJ - Tuesday, October 16 2018 @ 11:01 PM EDT (#367052) #
The Red Sox are using Pearce properly (at 1B) and he's healthy. He has always been a good player. He is just injury prone, and the Jays were shooting themselves in the foot by playing him in the outfield.

Either way, I don't think the Jays could have gotten much more than Espinal for Pearce even if they waited a bit longer. First basemen are not valued in this market. Pearce fit a need for the Red Sox and the Jays covered enough money to get a better prospect than they would have without it.
krose - Wednesday, October 17 2018 @ 12:58 AM EDT (#367053) #
Hypo: Good to see Vlad running up the stats. Jackson was bad but did you notice Connor Greenís line? 2/3 inning, 5 hits, 6 er, 3 w, 0 so, 1 hr.
Glevin - Wednesday, October 17 2018 @ 01:35 AM EDT (#367054) #
Jays got something for Pearce. Bourn and Adams got nothing. First basemen just arenít going to bring much in a trade (Rays might even non tender Cron who was best hitting 1bman in the AL).. The only two players the Jays would have got better returns for a few months earlier were Donaldson and Osuna. Osuna, nobody could have predicted. Donaldson looked like he would have been selling low because he looked like vintage Donaldson when he came back from months off. They should have pulled the trigger but itís not like it didnít make some sense to wait. Thatís it. The issue the Jays have had is that their better players simply donít have great value. When the White Sox started to rebuild, they had Sale, Eaton, and Quintana who were all good to great, youngish, and with great contracts. So the White Sox could tear down and get value. Which veteran player on the Jays right now, has good trade value? Nobody, but even a year ago, they only had three players with trade value.
dalimon5 - Wednesday, October 17 2018 @ 02:11 AM EDT (#367055) #
Agreed Glevin. Greenfrog - I'm more disappointed in the performance of the players than I am the returns for them. A lot of people are talking about the next core and window but the plan could have been to contend again this year and have Vlad come up after the deadline. That would have been ideal and then to try to compete again in 2019 with kids arriving everywhere.

Here's my summary of what actually happened:

The Bad
-Donaldson got hurt
-Sanchez hurt
-Osuna charged
-Stroman hurt
-Pearce hurt
-Estrada hurt
-Tulo hurt (was supposed to be back June)
-backups played as starters (Gaviglio, Solarte)
-Martin/Smoak performance suffered with weak line up
-AL performed better (2015/16 Jays wouldn't have been good enough to qualify for playoffs)
- none of the above was a surprise/shock to the front office except Donaldson/Osuna
-Pompey and Alford look toast/finished...two can't miss athletes from AA

The Good
- backups played as starters (Diaz)
- prospects got regular playing time a year (or two) early - Gurriel, Hernandez, Borucki
- prospects made their debuts to get a head start on 2019 - Reid Foley
- Sanchez finally corrected blister issue albeit at season's end
- Tulo situation will resolve itself (either he's back and productive or on bench/gone
- new manager on horizon (nothing against Gibby) but this signals the next chapter
- front office stocked the farm/roster with interesting players like McKinney
- Nate Pearson returned at end of season, Vlad, Biggio, Bichette, Groshans, Smith all had outstanding years

Overall a disappointing year but IMHO we have saved what would have been 2 years of transition into what will likely now be one year...fully expect a contending team in '20 with Smith/Groshans on the bus for call up
Richard S.S. - Wednesday, October 17 2018 @ 02:23 AM EDT (#367056) #
Every time the Jays' Starters were stretched beyond the 5 inning or 6 inning limit, it became an adventure. Some times it was a success, some times the Bullpen was good enough, more often the Jays lost the game. All the Teams in the Postseason have multiple Relievers that throw in the upper 90s. The Jays have one (97.3 avg) and short-sighted people wonder what he brings back in trade. I would give him a 3-4 year contract. Acquiring Pitchers, Starters or Relievers who can throw in the upper 90s should be a priority.
Magpie - Wednesday, October 17 2018 @ 04:09 AM EDT (#367057) #
What managerial experience do any of them have?

In theory, I'd like someone who has managed in the majors before, but that's never been the Blue Jay way. So then I think - well, someone who has at least managed in the minors (so he's actually done some managing) and has either played or coached in the majors (so he knows what major leaguers are like. )

But they never listen to me.
ISLAND BOY - Wednesday, October 17 2018 @ 06:56 AM EDT (#367058) #
I would add Tellez, Jansen and McGuire to the list of prospects who got a head start on 2019, dalimon. They all performed well and while only Jansen may start next year with the big club, it bodes well for the future.
scottt - Wednesday, October 17 2018 @ 07:36 AM EDT (#367059) #
Gurriel is not really a prospect and being on an MLB contract, was going to get playing time no matter what.
Think about it, Gurriel is making more money than the pre-arb players and his years of control are counting down regardless of where he plays.

hypobole - Wednesday, October 17 2018 @ 09:29 AM EDT (#367060) #
Ben N-S at Sportsnet with his offseason wish-list.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-off-season-roadmap-acquire-cut-loose/

Don't agree 100%, and a number of his moves are very hopeful, but it is a decent plan.
pubster - Wednesday, October 17 2018 @ 10:58 AM EDT (#367061) #
Lourdes Gurriel is under contract until he is 29 years old. In the last year of his contract he will make about $5.8 million.

His total contract is 7 years $22 million.

Given where is he right now in terms of development, I think that's a very team friendly contract.
dalimon5 - Wednesday, October 17 2018 @ 11:02 AM EDT (#367062) #
Scott and Island Boy - agree with you both I missed those key prospects and Gurriel isn't a prospect and likely would have seen a ton of time regardless maybe over all of the diamond instead of SS.
bpoz - Wednesday, October 17 2018 @ 11:38 AM EDT (#367063) #
Gurriel went through a lot to get to North America. His hardships continued by having an injury plagued 2017. All while adjusting to a new culture and country.
After 2017 and before the 2018 season, some spoke of him being ranked higher than Urena. I did not see anything to convince me of that.

I have changed my mind about Gurriel due to his very good ML 2018 results. For 2019 he has confidence and proof that he is a capable ML player. He may be even better, I think he will be better.


I still like Urena.
rpriske - Wednesday, October 17 2018 @ 02:23 PM EDT (#367064) #
All of what Ben N-S put would be great... if they could find takers for Martin and Morales, which I doubt.

He wants the Jays to corner the market on pitcher names Gray!

Richard S.S. - Wednesday, October 17 2018 @ 04:20 PM EDT (#367065) #
1) Sonny Gray pitched much better "Away" than he did "At Home", almost twice as good. At best he's a good #4 Starter.
2) If trading a Roster Player for a Starter, I'd like to see a better caliber of Starter returning.
3) Still, make the deals you can make.
Richard S.S. - Wednesday, October 17 2018 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#367066) #
Dodgers have a 3-2 lead in their Series and return to Milwaukee, not an easy task.
Glevin - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 03:09 AM EDT (#367067) #
Some of BNS ideas make sense, some don't. Trading Diaz for Gray makes zero sense. The issue with trading Diaz is that what happens when Tulo gets hurt again or can't play SS? Your SS depth is Gurriel and Urena? One might not be a SS defensively and one can't hit at all and also isn't a good fielder. If you trade him for interesting prospects, fine, it's worth short-term pain, but for a one year pitcher you are hoping to flip? DFA Pompey is insignificant as a move with zero impact on the major league team. Trading Martin makes sense to me but as I said earlier, I think the Jays can do it for someone like Teheran who can help the team, not be a long-term liability, and not be a straight buyout.

I'm fine with getting rid of Morales but I don't see the rush right now. If Tellez starts in AAA which he should and is mashing after a month or two, you need to bring him up and that means letting go of Morales. In the meantime, the OF/DH is Morales, McKinney, Hernandez, Pillar, and Grichuk. There is enough playing time to go around even with Morales. The crunch with two many players is in the IF. I didn't realize that Travis still had options remaining which is good. It gives the Jays a chance to play him in the minors and see if he can get back to something useful. I'm skeptical but I'd rather give a longer leash in the minors than cut someone outright.
scottt - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 06:35 AM EDT (#367068) #
There's no point in having Travis in the minors unless it's off the 40 roster.

scottt - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 07:32 AM EDT (#367069) #
The league has adjusted to Travis and it doesn't look like he can adjust back.
He has great coverage of outside fastballs which he can turn into opposite field line drives.
He's able to turn on inside breaking balls and that's where he has the most power.
They're attacking him hard in and soft away and he can't do much unless they miss with a pitch.

scottt - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 07:36 AM EDT (#367070) #
Maybe Gray can bounce back, but even if he does, nobody will believe he is this unshakable playoff pitcher on demand at the deadline. The return would still be modest. Diaz should be worth more than that now.
Mike Green - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 08:46 AM EDT (#367071) #
John Lott has a fine article over at the Athletic on the club's strategy for developing defensive capability (for infielders, with one illuminating Pentecost note).  Check it out.
dalimon5 - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 09:46 AM EDT (#367072) #
Is there anyone besides Mike that pays to read The Athletic? Every time he posts about it I think that maybe they removed the pay wall. Nope.
ramone - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 09:53 AM EDT (#367073) #
"Is there anyone besides Mike that pays to read The Athletic? Every time he posts about it I think that maybe they removed the pay wall. Nope."

I do, it's great, some Jays stuff you're not going to read anywhere else. Lott in particular has been given freedom to cover whatever he wants with the Jays it seems.
mathesond - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 10:20 AM EDT (#367074) #
Yeah, I too am a big fan of the Athletic. Great for specific team coverage (in my case, Blue Jays & Eagles), as well as some strong national writers (Rosenthal, Stark, Sarris). Of course, they also have Jim Bowden...
Glevin - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 11:05 AM EDT (#367075) #
I also subscribe to The Athletic. Just a lot of good stuff.
JohnL - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 12:02 PM EDT (#367076) #
I've subscribed to The Athletic for a couple of years now, and I only did it for the baseball (and even that, primarly Jays) coverage. Always impressed with the quality of coverage and writing.

It would be an even better deal for anyone interested in other sports. For me, John Lott alone almost makes it worth paying for.
Mike Green - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 12:46 PM EDT (#367077) #
It would be an even better deal for anyone interested in other sports. For me, John Lott alone almost makes it worth paying for.

Almost!

Lott's upcoming article on developing baserunning skill should also be worth reading.  And no, I don't receive a commission from The Athletic-I do appreciate though that it exists.  With newspapers shrinking, it's nice to have a place for good coverage of baseball, and I am happy to pay for it. 
ramone - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 12:54 PM EDT (#367078) #
I tweeted this link out as well, but another take on the Jays top 30 from Prospects Live:

https://www.prospectslive.com/lists/2018/10/13/toronto-blue-jays-top-30-prospects


hypobole - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 01:18 PM EDT (#367079) #
Some seemingly odd additions/omissions.

No Chavez/Kloff/Yennsy/Reese.

Espinal(20?), McLelland and Lundquist make it.
hypobole - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 01:26 PM EDT (#367080) #
And Patrick Murphy - why exactly is he missing on so many prospect lists?
ramone - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 01:27 PM EDT (#367081) #
Agreed hypobole, I think Espinal was an out there inclusion, I'm really curious to see BA's when the release their handbook.
Gerry - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 02:23 PM EDT (#367082) #
And don't forget Da Box's top 30, coming in November. I can pretty much guarantee that Patrick Murphy will be in the top 30.
krose - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#367083) #
No Guerrero in lineup today. Pearson pitching and Biggio at first.
PeterG - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#367084) #
I too read the Athletic. It is worth the subscription.
johnny was - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 04:16 PM EDT (#367085) #
A question for anyone on admin here:

The museum I run is doing a baseball night on the 24th as part of our sports exhibit and the featured guest is one of our uni alums, Mark Riggins, the pitching coach for the Dunedin Blue Jays. We're going to live stream the event on Facebook (I'll post the link day of) and I'll happily take good questions for him from Bauxites. In this part of western KY it's 90% Cards fans, 9.9% Cubs fans, and then me as the lone Jays guy, so I can't go too deep into the weeds on our players, but I will slip a few questions about people Mark has worked with (Borucki, Zeuch, and Pearson especially). Would it be cheeky to ask for a separate thread for this?

Thanks!
Thomas - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#367086) #
I subscribe to the Athletic. Absolutely worth my money.
John Northey - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 07:33 PM EDT (#367087) #
Johnny was - just submit any details and we can set up another thread. It is the dead season with no Jays in the playoffs and too early for prospect lists and trades so anything to get a thread going.
krose - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#367088) #
Hey John N, hereís some prospect news. Nate Pearson went 1+ inning today while getting smashed. He gave up 5hits, 4 walks and 8 runs. Command was very poor. Biggio made 1 error while playing first. He whiffed on an easy ground ball to his left. He also swung and missed quite a bit today. On the bright side teammate and Canadian Charles LeBlanc broke up a no hitter in the 7th with a single. The Saguaros lost 18-2.
Richard S.S. - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#367089) #
Isn't this more like Spring Training for Nate Pearson? He's hardly pitched very much so control will not be 100%.
Richard S.S. - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#367090) #
Ed Sprague interviewed for the Jays' Manager position. Two World Series rings with the Jays. Hit the 1992 W.S. Game Two winning HR in the 9th off the Bench. Sportsnet Site has more details:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/report-ed-sprague-interviewed-blue-jays-manager-position/
lexomatic - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 11:05 PM EDT (#367091) #
If Sprague were the kind if manager that is equivalent to the kind of player he was I would run far far away.
krose - Thursday, October 18 2018 @ 11:06 PM EDT (#367092) #
Richard: Last outing Pearson was very good. Maybe today was an example of the inconsistency we come to expect from young pitchers.
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