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#BlueJays affiliates won five out of six Monday. Buffalo and New Hampshire had the night off. #LetsGoBlueJays


Dunedin 2 Clearwater 0

Simeon Woods-Richardson
sat down 12 in a row and gave up just one hit and one walk over five frames. He struck out five and was equally democratic and fascist by splitting his eight outs in play on the ground and in the air. Connor Law has 47 Ks in 38-1/3 innings after a scoreless, one-strikeout frame. Emerson Jimenez struck out three to overcome a hit and two walks for his first save with the D-Jays.

Alejandro Kirk had two hits and a walk to extend his hitting streak to six games as he is three points away from batting .300. Reggie Pruitt is 3-for-18 so far with Dunedin but added a double in this game. He also has a triple and stolen so far since his call up from Lansing.


Lansing 4 Dayton 3

Gabriel Moreno mashed a two-run homer and added a single to reach .300 and .880 in the batting average and OPS categories. Yorman Rodriguez and Rafael Lantigua also collected two hits apiece with Rodriguez hitting .526 so far in his short Midwest League tenure.

Sean Wymer won his seventh game against 11 losses with just a solo dinger among four hits allowed over 5-1/3 innings. He walked one, whiffed three and got seven groundouts. Andy McGuire stranded two runners and pitched a shutout inning. Marcus Reyes brought his ERA down to 2.14 by stranding a runner and allowing just one hit over 1-2/3 scoreless frames that included two punchouts. Cre Finfrock gave up two in the ninth but got his 14th save.


Vancouver 3 Eugene 2

Ronny Brito had a double among his three hits and drove in a run. He's hitting .306 over his last 10 games, lifting his average by 27 points to .217.

Juan Diaz gave up two runs (one earned) over 6-1/3 innings. He produced 10 outs on the ground. Nicolas Medina got the next five outs and Grayson Huffman got the save.


Bristol 6 Bluefield 4

Spencer Horwitz had three hits and a walk and has four multi-hit games in his past 10 contest and is hitting .333 on the season. P.K. Morris belted a two-run homer as a part of his two-hit night. Miguel Hiraldo and Justin Ammons also put a two in the H column.

Jimmy Robbins took the loss but all four runs he gave up over three innings were unearned.


GCL Blue Jays 12 GCL Tigers West 8

Jose Rivas
boosted his batting average by 77 points over his last four games. After a four-hit game four days ago, he went 5-for-5 with a walk. Yhon Perez had four hits and Alberto Rodriguez had three, including a home run. Dasan Brown, Orelvis Martinez and Hugo Cardona finished up with two-hit games with Brown drawing a walk. Every G-Jay had a hit.

Jose Espada pitched a scoreless frame and Brody Rodning racked up five outs without being scored upon. It's Rodning's second appearance back off the injured list after Lansing placed him there in early May.


DSL Blue Jays 7 DSL White Sox 5


Leonel Callez had two doubles and is hitting .289 on the year. Other two-hit efforts were turned in by Amell Brazoban, Juan Pizarro and Gary David. Pizzaro stole his 23rd base in 31 tries.

Fernando Chacon threw five innings of one-run ball for the win which he nearly didn't get. Andres Garcia got the save by getting the final out but not before hitting two batters and walking another to load the bases in a nervous ninth.




*** 3 Stars!!! ***

3. Gabriel Moreno, Lansing

2. Jose Rivas, GCL

1. Simeon Woods-Richardson, Dunedin
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Jevant - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 08:17 AM EDT (#379747) #
So...have we all decided we are okay with the Stroman deal now??

/ducks
Mike Green - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 09:07 AM EDT (#379752) #
Moreno's OPS is .880, #2JB.  Thanks always for these reports.
SK in NJ - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 09:14 AM EDT (#379756) #
"So...have we all decided we are okay with the Stroman deal now??"

It seems like the only way to make good trades nowadays is to trade for a younger prospect before they breakout and/or target an undervalued player that another team has given up on and see if that player can be fixed. The Jays effectively did both this trade deadline with SWR and Fisher, respectively.

I still think the Jays should have gotten more for Stroman (Kay + SWR + something else), and I think they dealt for Fisher a little too early (in the off-season he may have been cheaper to acquire considering he would be out of options and the Astros don't need/want him), but Atkins went all in on what he felt was the best player(s) available to him. So far SWR is proving him to be prudent, but the usual risk with pitchers (especially pitchers that young) is still there.
Jevant - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 10:29 AM EDT (#379763) #
I agree with all of that. My comment was more a little tongue in cheek.

I also think generally there's wisdom in waiting for snap judgments. I'm excited that my initial "ugh, that's it?" on the Stroman deal may have been a little hasty, and my own plan is to be a little more patient myself in landing on a hot take opinion.
uglyone - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 10:42 AM EDT (#379764) #
Can't believe you negative nellies didn't like the stroman trade.
PeterG - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 10:55 AM EDT (#379765) #
I liked the Stroman trade from the getgo. Marcus was not as highly valued throughout the industry as he was here. In addition, it seems no other team was prepared to give up prospects anywhere near as good as those surrendered by the Mets. Anthony Kay is going to be a surprise on the upside as well imo.

It seems, on another front, that the takes on the much maligned Happ trade, may have been a tad premature. bwar on Happ this season so far is 0.1 while for Drury it is 0.8. This is one to watch as it may be judged totally differently a year from now than it has been for the past 12 months.
Gerry - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#379766) #
Shi Davidi says Pardinho has gone on the IL in Lansing just to skip a start to give him some rest. The Jays are being careful with Pardinho after he had elbow soreness in the spring.
pubster - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 11:26 AM EDT (#379767) #
It's nice to see Mckinney and Tellez perform so well in AAA. The MLB experience has clearly made them better players. Hopefully they can stick next time they get called up.

Some sites have Drury and McKinney out-WARing Happ this season. The Jays have Drury for another 3 years, and Mckinney for another 5. I don't think Happ will provide the same value.

Solid Trade.



pubster - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 11:30 AM EDT (#379768) #
Fangraphs has Happ at 0.6 WAR and Drury at 0.3 WAR.

But some sites have Drury with more WAR.
greenfrog - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 11:50 AM EDT (#379770) #
Drury *should* have more WAR than Happ this year, as he is squarely in his prime (age 26), while Happ is almost 37 years old. Also, McKinney has been a negative WAR player this year, which offsets Drury's modest WAR total.

It is encouraging to see Drury doing better, though of course it has been only just over a month since his 14 wrc+ July and his 53 wrc+ June.
greenfrog - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 11:51 AM EDT (#379771) #
14 wrc+ June and 53 wrc+ May, that is.
hypobole - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 11:53 AM EDT (#379772) #
Something I've been thinking about with WAR, is that it's failed to fairly assess utility players or players forced to play out of position (Pearce/ Rhys-Hoskins in LF), especially if they are a plus defender at a position they rarely play.

I'm guessing things will change somewhat with expanded rosters and new pitching rules next year, but I can still see utility guys having more value to a team's FO than WAR can pick up.
Shoeless Joe - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#379773) #
I agree that as teams shift players around some players are unfairly hampered by DRS and UZR. Positions in baseball are becoming less meaningful and the metrics still put players into silos.

To say the Happ trade was good because Drury has a 0.3 fWAR and 0.8 bWAR which are higher than Happ's WAR is very optimistic. The team just dumped an infielder in Galvis who had a 1.4 fWAR and 1.6 bWAR for literally nothing. Until Drury shows a little bit more he's not really that valuable, and doesn't even really look like a starting calibre player.
hypobole - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 12:12 PM EDT (#379774) #
Until Drury shows a little bit more he's not really that valuable

See, that's kinda my point. Galvis as a DH would not have been anywhere close to the value he had as a SS.
greenfrog - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#379777) #
Also, comparing Happ this year to Drury this year isnít really the right comparison. The question is, was Drury (and McKinney) a good return for what Happ was at the trade deadline last year, that is, a starting pitcher who was having a good season and who was the best SP available on the market, albeit one who was coming off four poor starts.

The fact that Happ has regressed this year, after signing a new contract with New York for his age-36 and 37 seasons, isnít really relevant in evaluating the trade.
pooks137 - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 12:29 PM EDT (#379778) #
Fangraphs has Happ at 0.6 WAR and Drury at 0.3 WAR

By definition, none of Happ's 2019 WAR should be counted in the trade analysis as he was a true rental. The Yankees let Happ go to true free agency and re-signed him Dec 17th. The Jays only traded two months of Happ, not his FA contract for 2019 and 2020

I was surprised Happ was worth 2.1 bWAR in 11 starts after the trade in 2018. I don't remember him being so valuable

The hard part of evaluating winners and losers in these trades is that WAR is not created equally. Happ's 2.1 bWAR was much more valuable to the Yankees than the same 11 starts on the Jays, but WAR doesn't capture the difference

pooks137 - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 12:31 PM EDT (#379779) #
Coke to greenfrog
greenfrog - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#379781) #
Itís also arguable that, apart from their individual merits, Drury and McKinney were the wrong *category* of player for the rebuilding Jays to acquire. Arguably, it would have been better to target a young sub-top 100 prospect like SWR who would be cheap and entering his prime (or pre-prime) years when the team enters its next phase of contention.

I acknowledge that there is a possibility that Drury will have some value to the Jays (or to another team) over the next few years. But a breakout seems unlikely to me.
John Northey - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 12:48 PM EDT (#379782) #
Looking at Happ last year for the Yankees. They finished with 100 wins and the top wildcard slot by 3 games over Oakland (still 8 back of the Sox, and 10 ahead of Tampa who was the best non-WC team). The Yankees won the Wild Card game without Happ being used. In the ALDS Happ only lasted 2 innings giving up 5 runs to Boston.

So the Yankees without Happ make it to the wildcard game regardless, maybe they lose home field advantage but no lock on that. Happ was worthless in the ALDS. That 2.1 bWAR seems high to me for 11 starts but regardless, it didn't change much of anything.

Meanwhile here we have Brandon Drury and Billy McKinney - Drury is really appearing to be something now but lots of * beside it due to his horrid start - games 1-100 for the Jays he hit 220/265/386. Since 281/313/547 which is OK for a 1B and very good for a backup 1B/3B/LF/RF but still not _that_ valuable.

McKinney since July 15th has hit 222/263/611 so power is there, before he hit 215/272/369 but limited to 1B/LF/RF so not as useful as Drury nor hitting as well. I'd give both as much time as possible until years end then keep whichever is doing best, while the other gets more AAA time or let go.

The deal won't end up being a difference maker for either team in the end imo. Unless Drury or McKinney really up it to another level.
pubster - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 12:55 PM EDT (#379783) #
"The question is, was Drury (and McKinney) a good return for what Happ was at the trade deadline last year, that is, a starting pitcher who was having a good season and who was the best SP available on the market, albeit one who was coming off four poor starts."

Right now Drury and Mckinney look like a solid return to me. Any prospect you get is just a lottery ticket. I'm looking at Drury as a lottery ticket who is showing signs that he might pay off.
hypobole - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 01:35 PM EDT (#379787) #
Drury had his swing changed. Yankees have fixed more than a few hitters, Urshela this year being a prime example. Unfortunately for Drury, he couldn't stay healthy last year for the changes to take effect, and he was still trying to find his comfort level early on. Maybe his hitting TTL is his career numbers, his past year numbers or he's still evolving and we don't really know what it is.
James W - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#379791) #
Urshela this year being a prime example.

Not refuting anything you're saying, hypobole - just amazing that Urshela isn't even 20% of the list: Luke Voit, Urshela, Mike Tauchman, Aaron Hicks, Cameron Maybin, D.J. LeMahieu. Yankee Magic is disgustingly real. (Or it's just actual good coaching.)
ISLAND BOY - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 02:43 PM EDT (#379793) #
That's not to mention the pitching where Domingo German, who wan't even sure to make the rotation until Severino's injury, has lowered his WHIP to 1.12 from last year's 1.35 and has an ERA of 4.05, while league average is 4.52.
jerjapan - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#379795) #
Lots of intriguing lower level prospects right now.  17 year old OF Juan Pizarro has an OPS of .733, 23 SBs and has rotated through the three OF spots.  2nd star 2B Jose Rivas is at .818 as an 18 year old in the GCL,and injury-prone Jose Espada, a 5th rounder in 2015 is back in action in what has become a seriously injury-riddled career - he is still just shy of 200 pro innings.  Spencer Horwitz, a 1B picked in the 24th round this year, has to impress with the bat to have a future, and while his .124 ISO doesn't, his 10.2 K% sure does. 
hypobole - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#379797) #
I know both Urshela and Drury had swing changes. Some of the others, Voit and Tauchman in particular, may have just been guys their scouting dep't liked that weren't given an opportunity until they were acquired.
uglyone - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#379799) #
I say they're cheating.
Kelekin - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#379815) #
Steinbrenneroids.
Gerry - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#379816) #
Conor Fisk had ten K's in his last start, unusual for him. He followed that up tonight with seven K's in six innings. Maybe he has found something different.
uglyone - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 09:48 PM EDT (#379817) #
Man in White
hypobole - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#379818) #
Man in White Pinstripes.
Gerry - Tuesday, August 13 2019 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#379820) #
Jordan Romano back pitching for Buffalo tonight.
dan gordon - Wednesday, August 14 2019 @ 01:16 AM EDT (#379828) #
Great to see Romano back. Hopefully, after a few appearances, he's back in Toronto. I was extremely impressed with him in the 2 games I saw him pitch.

This year's 34th round pick, Luis Quinones, has had quite the first pro season. He began in Bluefield, and in 2 games, 6 1/3 innings, he allowed only 1 hit and struck out 10, earning a quick move up to Vancouver, where he has yielded just 6 hits in 21 innings, with 31 strikeouts. His Vancouver ERA is 0.86, WHIP 0.76, and opponents are hitting .090 against him. Just turned 22 last month, so he's a bit old for this level, but still, that kind of total dominance is very encouraging to see.

Buchholz pitched 3 innings for the Gulf Coast team, and allowed only 1 hit, a HR, no walks and had 4 K's.

Pretty nice game for Thomas Hatch, his 2nd in a row for NH. In those 2 games, he has 2 walks and 11 strikeouts in 11 /3 innings. Kyle Johnston, on the other hand, has struggled badly since being acquired, walking 7 on Monday, to give him 13 in 12 1/3 innings with Dunedin. His control had been good with Potomac this season, so maybe not a big deal.
Glevin - Wednesday, August 14 2019 @ 03:27 AM EDT (#379831) #
"Itís also arguable that, apart from their individual merits, Drury and McKinney were the wrong *category* of player for the rebuilding Jays to acquire. Arguably, it would have been better to target a young sub-top 100 prospect like SWR who would be cheap and entering his prime (or pre-prime) years when the team enters its next phase of contention."

There is no way in hell, teams were giving up someone like SWR for Happ. I didn't like the return at the time and still don't, but people are vastly overrating what his value was. His FIP in July was 5.16. Basically, he was amazing in April, decent in May, OK in June and terrible in July. His last 4 starts with the Jays, he pitched 17 innings, giving up 23 hits, 8 BB, 14 ER (and 5 unearned runs), and 24 Ks. You can look at Lance Lynn as a similar value traded and he fetched back Tyler Austin and an A ball pitcher with a 40 FV. Would the Jays have been better off going for that kind of value? Maybe, but there wasn't some stud prospect available for Happ anywhere.
uglyone - Wednesday, August 14 2019 @ 09:56 AM EDT (#379838) #
not as good as SWR, sure, but they certainly could have targetted a 19yr old with more upside than drury/mckinney.
pubster - Wednesday, August 14 2019 @ 10:25 AM EDT (#379841) #
What is Mckinney/Drury's upside?

Best case scenario I think either can OPS .900+.

Not saying its going to happen but they have that potential.
Marc Hulet - Wednesday, August 14 2019 @ 11:05 AM EDT (#379851) #
Drury is highly unlikely to ever OPS .900 given his poor on-base percentage. He'd have to hit for a ton of power.
85bluejay - Wednesday, August 14 2019 @ 11:12 AM EDT (#379854) #
To be fair, If Drury played a season against only the Orioles, Tigers & Royals pitching staff, he might do it.
pubster - Wednesday, August 14 2019 @ 11:13 AM EDT (#379855) #
I agree its unlikely.

But after seeing Urshela and guys like Bautista I'm a little more careful when talking what the ceiling on a player is.
Nigel - Wednesday, August 14 2019 @ 10:20 PM EDT (#379883) #
The odds of a 27 year old with 1500 MLB PAs with a career 88 wRC+ suddenly putting up .900 OPS seasons (without the aid of PEDs) are incredibly small. They arenít zero, so I have no issue if they want to continue to give him ABs as the 24th or 25th roster member. However, they have prospects who can use ABs more usefully. I think 100 or 200 AB sample sizes sometimes confuse the issue.
scottt - Thursday, August 15 2019 @ 06:22 AM EDT (#379893) #
To be fair, it's not just an OPS bet. They think Drury provides adequate defense, although it's clear that he's there to compete with Vladdy for the third base job. My conclusion is that he does not hit enough to be a regular thirdbaseman, but he's a cheap, controllable back up option there until something better pops up through the ranks.
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