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Not that it's likely to mean much of anything but the Red Sox have lost six of their last seven.

The Jays have won just 6 of 15 meetings with this tiresome Boston outfit, despite outscoring them 87-67. Boston has won by such scores as 8-7, 6-5, 2-1, 5-4. The Jays have won by such scores as 8-0, 18-4, 13-1. Well, if you have to beat them senseless... might as well beat them senseless. That's what I always say.


Two of the the four pitchers Boston will be running out against the Jays in this series have faced Toronto just once this season.  Tonight's starters, Nathan Eovaldi and Alek Manoah, hooked up in a dandy matchup, back in June. You probably recall Boston scored just one run against Manoah, but they took that 1-0 lead into ninth. Vladimir Guerrero tied the game with a homer off Matt Barnes in the top of the inning, but Rafael Dolis gave up three singles and the game in the bottom half. Tanner Houck looked very impressive, albeit in a short stint, in his one appearance against the Jays last month. But this will be Nick Pivetta's fifth start against the Blue Jays in 2021, and none of them were particularly impressive. He's gone 1-1, 7.59 and the Jays have scored at least four runs against him every time. And this will be Garrett Richards' sixth start against Toronto in 2021 (he's 2-2, 6.15). His best effort came back in May, when he pitched into the seventh allowing just two runs.

Like Manoah, Jose Berrios has only faced Boston once this season. It came back in April when he was still a Twin - he pitched into the fifth, allowed four runs, and took the L. Robbie Ray has made three starts against the Red Sox (2-1, 4.24) - two of them were Quality, and he came away with the W. In between those two outings, he lost to them when he had some trouble keeping the ball in the yard at Sahlen Field. Hyun Jin Ryu has also made three starts against the Red Sox - they beat him 4-2 back in April, but he's shut them out in both of his subsequent starts against them, once in May and once in July.

Who's been hitting against Boston? Pretty much everybody - Guerrero (.421/.507/.842 with 6 HRs) and Bichette (.377/.441/.672 with 4 HRs) have been leading the way, but Teoscar Hernandez, Randal Grichuk, and Marcus Semien have all roughed up the Red Sox as well - each has 3 HRs and has hit better than .300 against Boston. And George Springer has gone kind of medieval on them in the six games he's played. Even Reese McGuire's in on the fun, hitting .370 with his one homer of the season.

Rafael Devers has been the most dangerous Boston hitter against Toronto (.348/.388/.674) which sort of figures, although Hernandez, Martinez,and  Verdugo, have hit about as well as you'd expect them to - in other words, pretty good.  What doesn't figure is Bobby Dalbec. The Jays have been keeping this stiff in the league (.286/.362/.667 with 3 HRs.) Not for long, though.The Red Sox are preparing to hand first base over to newly acquired Kyle Schwarber, despite the fact that Schwarber's major league experience at the position consists of standing there and watching exactly three pitches at the end of a game in April 2017. There was one out with the bases loaded in the bottom of the eleventh of a tie game. Schwarber, in left field, swapped positions with first baseman Anthony Rizzo. I presume this was because Rizzo has the better arm in the event there was a fly ball hit to left field. Mike Montgomery threw two strikes - and then uncorked a wild pitch to end the game. However Schwarber did play some first base in the minors - it was two games in the Cape Cod Summer League back in 2013 to be  precise.

Well, they're the Boston Red Sox. They must know what they're doing.

American League hitters have hit .290 on their Balls in Play in 2021. Not the Red Sox, who have hit .307, and not the Blue Jays who have hit .301. Here's how individual Jays hitters have fared on their Balls In Play in 2021 (figure in parentheses is their career BABiP)

Hernandez .358 (.321)
McGuire .353 (.310)
Espinal .350 (.352)
Bichette .334 (.346)
Guerrero .324 (.308)
Springer .315 (.307)
Semien .309 (.295)
Dickerson .308 (.326)
Gurriel .299 (.320)
Biggio .279 (.300)
Grichuk .276 (.293)
Kirk .267 (.313)
Jansen .200 (.224)
Teoscar is clearly living right, or he's made the appropriate sacrifices to Jobu and all the Fear has been removed from his bats.  He should tell Danny Jansen his secret.

Matchups....

Fri Aug 6 -Eovaldi (9-6, 3.71)  vs Manoah (3-1, 2.47)
Sat Aug 7 (1) - Pivetta (8-5, 4.57) vs Ray (9-5, 3.04)
Sat Aug 7 (2) - Houck (0-2, 2.45) vs Berrios (8-5, 3.31)
Sun Aug 8 - Richards (6-7, 5.21) vs Ryu (11-5, 3.22)
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Magpie - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 05:47 PM EDT (#404387) #
As I observed in the Cleveland series thread, the Jays have now gone 28-15 when Reese McGuire starts behind the plate. Which is really good and I wondered if they've ever had more success with their starting catcher.

There's only one way to find out, isn't there. I think I have a trivia question. Best winning percentage in a season with a starting catcher... oh, 30 game minimum. And best career winning percentage... oh, 100 game minimum.
hypobole - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 05:47 PM EDT (#404388) #
A's playoff chances just took a gutshot. Ramon Laureano suspended 80 games for PED's.
Leaside Cowboy - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 05:48 PM EDT (#404390) #
During the current Homecoming Homestand, the average length of game time is 2 hours and 49 minutes.
uglyone - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 06:49 PM EDT (#404393) #
Beat. These. Frauds.
Mike Green - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 06:56 PM EDT (#404394) #
I'd guess Ernie Whitt for the career mark. 
Magpie - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 07:12 PM EDT (#404395) #
Ernie's got the best single season for the number one catcher - 75-38, .664 in 1987, which just edges McGuire this year. The two best single seasons ever were by backups.

And Whitt's career winning log - 530-447, .542 - is fourth best in the 100 games and up category.
Paul D - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 07:22 PM EDT (#404396) #
Greg Myers for the out of left field career mark?
Magpie - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#404397) #
Myers is right after Whitt, which seems appropriate.
Spifficus - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#404398) #
My brain immediately began to wonder if Guzman had a personal catcher when he came up. Those first few years would really pad someone's winning percentage.
uglyone - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#404399) #
Always love how our broadcast duo roots for Boston all series.
Magpie - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 07:40 PM EDT (#404400) #
if Guzman had a personal catcher when he came up

His rookie season was split pretty evenly between Borders and Myers. But Myers was traded the next season and Borders caught 80% of the team's games over the next three years.
Magpie - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 07:47 PM EDT (#404401) #
I figure I'll reveal everything between inings, get it off my plate, and watch the game, OK?
Spifficus - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 07:50 PM EDT (#404402) #
Well, I'll stick with Borders given my Guzman theory, but it feels a little too obvious.
mathesond - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 07:56 PM EDT (#404403) #
How 'bout Russell Martin, for his work in the middle of the last decade?
Magpie - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 07:56 PM EDT (#404404) #
All righty then. Career mark: it would be Jose Molina (55-40, .579) but I set the bar at 100 games. So it's Dioner Navarro (80-61, .567). A surprise to me as well, but Dioner didn't play for any of the bad Jays teams. Clever fellow. That's how he edges out Russell Martin (210-171, .551) who played for two really good teams and two pretty bad ones. Martin's performance seems more impressive to me. Then come Borders and Whitt.

Single season - as said, Whitt had the best for a number one catcher. Second best was Randy Knorr (23-11, .676) in 1994? Weird. Knorr gave it all back and more the very next year (14-27). But the best single season mark ever was Kevin Cash, who came up in August 2003 and basically took over. The team went 24-7, .774 with Cash catching.

Before he hurt his arm, Cash was just a wonderful defensive player. He was big, he had a rifle for an arm, he had good hands, he was quiet behind the plate. Just perfect. Unfortunately, he hit worse than most pitchers.
greenfrog - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 07:58 PM EDT (#404405) #
In the top of the second inning, Manoah threw around 25-30 pitches.

In the bottom half of the inning, after Teoscar quickly struck out, I wasnít crazy about Gurriel Jr. hacking at the first pitch (resulting in a fly out). It would have been nice to see him show some patience and give his SP a bit of a breather. (The next batter, Kirk, eventually drew a walk.)
greenfrog - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#404406) #
Bichette not being able to throw out Gonzalez this inning was costly.

The Jays were outplayed in the first half of the game. Thanks to Manoahís competitiveness, the team is only down 2-0.

greenfrog - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 08:53 PM EDT (#404407) #
Goddamn bunt calls.
uglyone - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 09:03 PM EDT (#404408) #
Bo salvaging that at bat is pretty special.
greenfrog - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 09:03 PM EDT (#404409) #
Bo Bichette oh my. Torrid hitting.
mathesond - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#404410) #
Yeah, but does it make up for not being able to throw out Gonzalez?
uglyone - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 09:05 PM EDT (#404411) #
Yeah that Bo at bat might be the biggest of the season. Wow.
BlueJayWay - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#404412) #
Well that was a fun inning.
Nigel - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#404413) #
That was fun. Kirk sure can hit.

Boís had some throwing issues this year but Iím not sure that play is one of them to be too critical of. Sure, he might of made that play, but it was a tough play.
Nigel - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#404414) #
Robles is going to fit in perfectly with this Sox team. He came with the Sox attitude starter kit.
greenfrog - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#404415) #
Yeah I might have been overly critical of that missed play (guess I got caught up in the tension of a key series). It wasnít a simple play ó and Bo did make a nice play earlier in the game.
uglyone - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#404416) #
Just when it looked like another painful day against the ******** red Sox, they go and do that. Just beautiful.
greenfrog - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#404417) #
Is Vlad healthy? He doesnít seem like his usual self at the plate.
uglyone - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#404418) #
Imo it would behoove us to keep Alejandro Kirk in the lineup.
Kasi - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#404419) #
Maybe Borucki should be sent down I donít feel at all comfortable with him out there. From potential starter* to out of the lineup. Shame he didnít come back from that early season injury right.
Eephus - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 10:19 PM EDT (#404420) #
A good 1-2-3 8th inning here would be quite Handy.
Eephus - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 10:39 PM EDT (#404421) #
A "pitcher" hitting 36mph on the radar gun? Perhaps there's hope for me yet!
Kasi - Friday, August 06 2021 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#404422) #
Well that was the best pitcher we had to face this weekend so nice to get to him and start this off well.
ISLAND BOY - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 05:42 AM EDT (#404423) #
The best part of the Jaye being back at the Roger's Centre is that the fans are all cheering Toronto. I hated those "home" games in Buffalo where it seemed half of the crowd were wearing Red Sox jerseys and applauding the Sox's every move.
scottt - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 06:47 AM EDT (#404425) #
Buffalo is Yankees country. It's in New York State.  The locals there hate the Red Sox.
Those were mostly folks who traveled to Buffalo and it wasn't as bad as in Dunedin.
The Yankees games in Buffalo truly sucked though. 

The Dunedin experience was horrible.
The sun gave a huge advantage to the visiting team.
They must be used to playing games there later at night.
I can't imagine playing in the middle of the day in the Florida heat.

Still, both places will benefit from better facilities.
This could even help signing some free agents if the word goes around.
I would be nice if the Bisons could make the playoffs for these folks.

scottt - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 08:18 AM EDT (#404427) #
Dolis is not a multi-inning guy.
Nice rebound from Hand and Saucedo.
Borucki is giving me Chatwood vibes.

scottt - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 08:36 AM EDT (#404428) #
Is a team notified when a player test positive and go through the appeal process?
I would imagine that the A's knew and that is why they traded a controllable asset for 2 months of a centerfielder.
Their biggest hole seems to be at shortstop.

The Yankees keep winning as well.
Yesterday was a bullpen game in which no Yankees pitcher got more than 5 outs over 11 innings.
So, yeah. They used 9 pitchers. Sustainable?
If they knock the Mariners out of it before the Jays travel to Seattle next week, it wouldn't be such a bad thing.
Castillo blew the save in the 8th. They sure could have used another reliever in extra. Oops.
Toro is playing well for them. Can't argue with that.

Magpie - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 09:13 AM EDT (#404430) #
I suspect Borucki got messed up by the 30 minute inning before he came into the game. He was up and getting loose at the start of it all because he was coming in and then he waited... and waited... and waited. Either that, or he kept throwing in the pen to stay loose and used it all up down there.
scottt - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 09:38 AM EDT (#404431) #
Yeah, but he got the first hitter quickly and then couldn't find the plate.

Leaside Cowboy - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 10:06 AM EDT (#404432) #
Alex Verdugo should be plunked, but not until tomorrow.

The Olympics basketball got me thinking about the recently retired Marv Albert. Eventually, I concluded that Dan Shulman would look great with a toupťe.
Parker - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 10:41 AM EDT (#404433) #
I wonder how he'd look in white panties and a garter belt?

I did a double-take at "recently retired" because I thought NBC had fired Albert in disgrace over 20 years ago. Turns out they hired him right back a couple years later. Ah, the 90's.
Glevin - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 12:00 PM EDT (#404436) #
Vlad really isn't looking himself the last week. Lots of bad swings and poorly hit balls. Hope it's a small slump only.
92-93 - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 12:07 PM EDT (#404437) #
The best retribution would be winning the series or, if we're being greedy, a sweep.

And while Verdugo does kinda seem annoying, why him and not Devers who kills the Jays? Trying to stay on Grichuk's level?
tercet - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 12:41 PM EDT (#404439) #
Borucki was terrible vs RHB last year, terrible vs RHB earlier this year, and still terrible vs RHB right now.
Just let him face LHB and the crappiest of RHB and he should be ok!
scottt - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 12:45 PM EDT (#404440) #
Springer and Bichette are hot.
It will be interesting to see Vlad facing ohtani next week.

hypobole - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#404442) #
Rewatched the 5th on Jays in 30. The pitch to Kirk was not a good one to a very good hitter. But the Grichuk, Valera and Bichette hits all looked like really tough pitches. Valera and Bichette really should not have swung at them.

The pitch to Teoscar was his 27th of the inning and looked like he just wanted to get ahead. And then he threw his last pitch right in Gurriel's down and in wheelhouse.
ISLAND BOY - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 01:03 PM EDT (#404443) #
I wish I had the technical knowledge to link it but there is a hilarious short video on Reddit r/baseball from last night of Rubles trying to give a death glare toward the Blue Jays dugout. Vlad sees it and points him out to Gurriel who is standing beside Vlad, and they both laugh at him. In the comments section even the Red Sox fans are laughing at this.
92-93 - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 01:17 PM EDT (#404444) #
Both managers made curious choices last night in that 5th inning. Montoyo continues to put his players into bad spots by forcing them to bunt when the situation doesn't call for it at all (a tie game in the 5th against the frickin Red Sox?!). Cora's IBB was terrible too; his advanced scouts should have told him he'd rather face Vlad than Semien right now. The decision looked good because Semien had an atrocious AB, but it was nice to see Bo/Teo ultimately make Cora pay for giving the Jays a free baserunner in a tie game.
greenfrog - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 01:30 PM EDT (#404445) #
JD Martinez has been placed on the Covid IL (heís awaiting test results). I hope the Jays players and coaches are all fully vaxxed.
Nigel - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 01:34 PM EDT (#404446) #
I agree 92-93. I couldnít really understand either choice, although Montoyoís choice was particularly poor. I did think he managed his pitchers well last night.
greenfrog - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 01:39 PM EDT (#404447) #
Look at the bright side. At least Montoyo didnít call for a two-strike bunt attempt by Valera, the way he did with Espinal against TB.
92-93 - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 02:00 PM EDT (#404448) #
Last time JD Martinez spent like a day on the covid IL, so he could just be a dude who gets allergies and answers the daily health questions honestly.

Either way he's been pretty bad since the All-Star break so it could be a loss in name only for the Red Sox the rest of this series.
greenfrog - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 02:12 PM EDT (#404449) #
Duran is also on the Covid IL.
scottt - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#404450) #
It's the 9th hitter. He's hitting there because he's the worse hitter on the team.
This was Boston's best pitcher and Montoyo figured the Jays wouldn't be scoring a lot of runs.
This is no different then bringing the infield in which results in a hit most of the time but nobody complains about that.
The really bad play here is Eovaldi not giving the 9th hitter a pitch to bunt on and the AB ending with a lucky double instead of a sac bunt. I don't understant pitchers who can't throw a strike when the hitter squares to bunt. He's giving you an out, just take it.

Props to Gurriel on the home run there.
Also, he was smart enough to wear the homerun jacket for the interview and avoid being drenched in cool-aid.

SK in NJ - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 02:18 PM EDT (#404451) #
I was also expecting Valera to bunt with 2 strikes, and was relieved that he didn't (obviously the end result helped). The bunt attempt to begin with was bad enough, but had he tried it with 2 strikes, I probably would have stopped watching immediately.
hypobole - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#404452) #
Except Montoyo didn't call for Espinal's 2 strike bunt. It was Espinal's decision. Everyone assumed it was Montoyo's call except one reporter who actually bothered to ask him.

That said, leaving it up to the player is poor strategy. Players almost always think they can do something, whether they can or not. It's the managers job to rein them in.
scottt - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 02:21 PM EDT (#404453) #
This is bad because they are in Toronto.
Hopefully the anti-vaxxers are locked into the hotel.
Not the time to get into a brawl because of a hit batter.
Covid rules mandate suspensions if that happen.

greenfrog - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 02:31 PM EDT (#404454) #
Thanks for that clarification, hypobole.
greenfrog - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#404455) #
The Mís are beating Andrew Heaney and the Yankees 4-1. The Yankees are going to have to rely on their bullpen after using nine (I think) pitchers last night. And Aroldis Chapman has been placed on the IL.

The Jays have a great opportunity to surge ahead in the WC race in the coming weeks (and stay there).
Magpie - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#404456) #
I've said this before - but if you don't put on the bunt in a close game with your ninth hitter (and it's not even a regular, it's a bench guy filling in), then the other team knows that you will never, ever, ever put on a bunt. And they will position themselves accordingly. The only way to show them that you will bunt from time to time (and bring those corner infielders in closer) is, alas, by actually bunting from time to time.
Magpie - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 02:41 PM EDT (#404457) #
Players almost always think they can do something, whether they can or not. It's the managers job to rein them in.

This is true, but when you put on a sign saying you want something done - taking that sign off is universally held in most quarters to indicate that you no longer want that something done. And I have no doubt that a conversation with the player along the lines of "what the hell were you doing there?" would have followed. After all, everybody on the bench would have seen and understood what had just happened. Even worse than defying the manager is defying the manager in full view of everyone.
Paul D - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 02:44 PM EDT (#404458) #
Mayza to the DL, Borucki to the minors, Snead and Thornton up
Magpie - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 02:49 PM EDT (#404459) #
Murphy's up as well. Thornton is today's 27th man.
greenfrog - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 03:03 PM EDT (#404460) #
It's fine to show the bunt from time to time throughout the season, but do you want to do so at the cost of losing the most important game of the year?
hypobole - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#404461) #
taking that sign off is universally held in most quarters to indicate that you no longer want that something done.

What Montoyo said in response to the reporters question was that he left it up to the player to decide whether to bunt or not with 2 strikes.
Magpie - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 03:29 PM EDT (#404462) #
he left it up to the player to decide whether to bunt or not with 2 strikes.

That's perfectly fine, if everyone knows that's what's going on.

Only three teams in the majors have bunted less often than the Blue Jays. It's not a big part of their approach.
dalimon5 - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#404463) #
Here we go, another debate about bunting.
Leaside Cowboy - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#404464) #
No ifs, ands, or bunts.
scottt - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 04:06 PM EDT (#404465) #
Pat with the bunt again.
Mike Green - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 04:52 PM EDT (#404466) #
I would have left Ray in.
scottt - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#404467) #
Yankees won again. Seattle might be folding.
scottt - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#404468) #
Timely pitching change there.
I was just thinking the Jays don't have great options to pitch in extra innings.

bpoz - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#404469) #
Semien Hr. We won.
Spifficus - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#404470) #
(Obligatory joking clutch comment)
hypobole - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 05:06 PM EDT (#404471) #
Was wondering how soon the word clutch would show up. Anyway, that was awesome
Chuck - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 05:08 PM EDT (#404472) #
Why was either SP pulled?
Spifficus - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 05:08 PM EDT (#404473) #
I know, I couldn't help myself in my moment of glee.
mathesond - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 05:10 PM EDT (#404474) #
Hey, the Jays won a 1-run game against Boston!
SK in NJ - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 05:11 PM EDT (#404475) #
I wasn't sure why either starter was pulled either, especially Pivetta who was carving the Jays up, but the end result was great.
Polite Nate - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 05:13 PM EDT (#404476) #
Honestly, Ray looked like he was running out of gas to me, but I don't know that I'd have had the nerve to go to Romano.
92-93 - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#404477) #
The SPs were pulled because managers love managing. With Devers coming up, a night game still to be played, and Ray at 86 pitches leaving him in there was the obvious choice.

Such a big win. One game back of BOS in the loss column now with a third of the season to go, 54 games. Lots of time to put themselves into position to at least host the WC.
BlueJayWay - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#404478) #
One back of Boston in the loss column.
hypobole - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 05:31 PM EDT (#404479) #
The SPs were pulled because managers love managing.

I'm guessing it's this, but not in the way it was meant. Analytics departments have recommendations. Follow them, and win or lose, it won't affect your job security. Go with your gut, you better be right.
electric carrot - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 05:49 PM EDT (#404480) #
Why was either SP pulled?
Boston announcers said Pivetti at a .905 OPS against third time through the order.
scottt - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 06:05 PM EDT (#404481) #
Ray times facing opponent in games this year
1st .182 .265 .300
2nd .181 .233 .373
3rd .320 .339 .648

Ray basically throws batting practice the 3rd times through.
It's weird because he doesn't lose any velocity and throws the same 2 pitches.
It's so easy to leave him there and lose the game. Easiest thing in the world.
Nobody will blame you for losing the game that way.
They'll criticize the bunting or the team not being clutch or whatever.
Almost lost again today, in the sixth.
It's lot easier to pull him after six than after five.
The thing is, the third time around, the bottom of the lineup is as dangerous against Ray as the top.
So, credit for the win goes to the manager and props to Ray for an amazing outing.
The W goes to Romano. Such is life.

92-93 - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 06:10 PM EDT (#404482) #
Jays batters were also hitting .326/.382/.609 off Pivetta in 102 PA this season heading into today's game...managing off a stat sheet is silly.
Magpie - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 06:12 PM EDT (#404483) #
So I'm over on bb-ref looking at the league totals and something struck me. I rubbed the wound, and now I can tell you about it.

As everyone knows, the Jays have the second best offense in the AL, scoring 5.23 runs per game. Only Houston is better. But the Jays don't leave many runners on base - only three teams have fewer men LOB than the Jays - Seattle, Texas, and Cleveland. And that's a little weird. Normally it's the teams that score the most runs that also leave the most people on base. Like Houston, which leads the league in Runs Scored and men Left On Base. Is it possible that Toronto has an unusually efficient offense?

Well, they've had approximately 1315 people reach base (Hits+Walks+HBP) and they've cashed in 560 of them. That's 42.6% of their baserunners, and it is the highest figure in the AL.

My first thought is it reflects the traditional Jays idea - Runners in Scoring Positionj? Bah! We have Batters in Scoring Position.
Magpie - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 06:17 PM EDT (#404484) #
I no longer know how to post pictures in a comment - it's like everything, if you don't use it you lose it - but newly signed Raptors centre Khem Birch threw out the first pitch before the game and posed for pictures afterwards. It was Tayler Saucedo who did the honours of catching it - and an NBA centre was just slightly taller than the relief pitcher.
scottt - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 06:19 PM EDT (#404485) #
Rays has pitched in the 7th innings  6 times this year, but has only managed 26 outs, to go with 9 hits and 7 Ks.
Hitters facing Ray in the 7th: .409 .409 864.
That's an OPS of 1.273.

This game followed the pattern to a T.
One walk and one hit in the 6th.
OPS vs RAY by inning:
1 .611
2 .593
3 .556
4 .415
5 .845
6 .958
7 1.273

That playoffs game in which he came in relief of Showmaker but the Jays couldn't score and everyone wanted Shoemaker to stay until he gets into a jam and there's no reliever ready to come in? That was a well managed game.


scottt - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 06:21 PM EDT (#404486) #
Yeah, a lot of these pitchers are built so you don't think about charging the mound.
hypobole - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 06:21 PM EDT (#404487) #
You make some good points, scottt.

I did get a chuckle out of this line though:

"Nobody will blame you for losing the game that way."

Very true, except for the FO. And they are the only people who decide how long you remain employed.
Magpie - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 06:28 PM EDT (#404488) #
It's weird because he doesn't lose any velocity and throws the same 2 pitches.

I think it's precisely that. It's because he's usually just a two pitch guy. There are days when he has a working curveball, but most of the time it's fastball, fastball, fastball and the occasional slider. He pitches like a closer all the time.
hypobole - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 06:34 PM EDT (#404489) #
From ESPN:

The Blue Jays have hit at least one home run in 20 consecutive games, the third-longest such streak in team history. Toronto had 22- and 21-game streaks in 2000.

Kasi - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 07:18 PM EDT (#404490) #
Scott is right here in that pulling Ray was the right decision. Rays stats third time through are not good unless you want to face a full team of Bonds/Vlads. And also very nice of Semien to come up in this situation as heís had a rough time of it so far this year in this area. If we can pull off the doubleheader sweep than Ryu vs Richards tomorrow leaves us in very good shape to take 4.
AWeb - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 07:21 PM EDT (#404491) #
Honestly would have guessed they'd have a longer stretch at some point. Teams hit hrs at a similar rate to the best hit-accumulators get individual hits, and hitting streaks that long aren't too rare. Though off the top if my head, I have no idea who holds that team record, or even what it is. Magpie?
Nigel - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 07:37 PM EDT (#404492) #
Berrios may be the Jays most athletic starter since Stieb. The speed with which he got over to cover first on that chopper was unbelievable.
Magpie - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 07:38 PM EDT (#404493) #
Though off the top if my head, I have no idea who holds that team record, or even what it is.

No idea either. Google to the rescue....

The 2019 Yankees homered in 31 straight games. The record had been 27, set by the Taxas Rangers in 2002.
AWeb - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 07:51 PM EDT (#404494) #
Had to look up the jays hit streak record too. Made sense when I saw it, and I have some recollection of it, but it didn't stick in my head at all. Guesses?
hypobole - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 07:53 PM EDT (#404495) #
The bottom 4 hitters in the second swung at fewer out of zone pitches combined than at least 3 of the top 5 hitters individually.
uglyone - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 08:12 PM EDT (#404496) #
Picked the right game to bring my nephew to. Think I witnessed the birth of a new jays fan this afternoon.
uglyone - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 08:23 PM EDT (#404497) #
"Yankees won again. Seattle might be folding."

One of the key reasons why we had to go for it this year is that SEA, OAK, and BOS just aren't good teams....at least, just not nearly as good as ours.

The yanks, on the other hand, are a problem.
AWeb - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 08:25 PM EDT (#404498) #
Corey Dickerson, intentionally walked? Grichuk isn't amazing, but that's a bit of a slap in the face.
AWeb - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#404499) #
As was that strike 3 call.
Nigel - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 08:36 PM EDT (#404500) #
I understand why Montoyo didnít, but I think Iíd have rolled the dice and pinch hit Kirk for McGuire there.
hypobole - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#404501) #
Valera with a clutch hit yesterday and today.
uglyone - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#404502) #
Tip o' the hat, Reese.
Chuck - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#404503) #
That was some pretty dumb baseball. Wow.
Polite Nate - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#404504) #
I'll admit I've been a bit doubtful of McGuire's defensive rep, but that there was a pretty great inning for him to add to his portfolio.
lexomatic - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#404505) #
The strike 3 was bad, and likely affected the outcome of this game.
Kasi - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#404506) #
That would be the reason to not take out Reese for Kirk. However itís sad to see this good pitching performance go to waste with pretty bad hitting today. Hopefully something good can happen in bottom of the inning.
Kasi - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 10:09 PM EDT (#404507) #
That hurts. I guess should be happy we got a split scoring two runs in 15 innings. Offence still befuddles me at times. Anyway got to win tomorrow to get 3 out of 4.
Nigel - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 10:18 PM EDT (#404508) #
The defence and Kirk not having caught Berrios were, of course, good reasons not to PH Kirk. I still would have done it though, but that was more of a gamblerís hunch than anything. They were having trouble scoring and they had a decent scoring chance there. It didnít feel like a game where one run was going to be enough.
christaylor - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 10:37 PM EDT (#404509) #
All baseball stats ought to be head scratchers when one looks beyond means/medians... variance, skew, kurtosis... these are all the things that we'd need a longer season to see whether they're anything but luck. That said we still get the feel of "higher-order moments" with walk off home runs.
SK in NJ - Saturday, August 07 2021 @ 11:15 PM EDT (#404510) #
It sucks to lose a game like that, but if you told me this morning that the Jays were going to score one run in each game, I would have been relieved with a split. Tomorrow's game is critical, though. A split of the 4 game series would be a huge disappointment after the first two games.
Kasi - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 12:26 AM EDT (#404511) #
I still donít think theyíre getting enough out of this lineup. Number one in OPS but second to last in OPS late and close. The talent to me is there but the approach just isnít. This is something that coaching should be able to help with and I think itís the biggest issue I have with the coaching staff. Sure variance and mean and all that but that is such a huge delta. Itís basically straight from first to last and I think better coaching could improve this aspect both from calling plays (calling specific type of plays, using pinch hitters, etc) to just coaching general approach for the team.

Most of the bullpen complaints about Montoyo and such to me were mostly contrived because most of the time the Jays only had like one reliable bullpen arm (who kept switching too from Chatwood to Romano to Mayza to Cimber) and no they just couldnít keep putting the one good guy and two okay guys in every game and bench everyone else.
StephenT - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 01:22 AM EDT (#404512) #
Attendance of the 2nd game Saturday was just 12,659, the first non-sellout it seems.  (1st game was 14,768.)
scottt - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 06:39 AM EDT (#404513) #
Pinch hitting for the catcher is more risky than DHing the second catcher.
Who's the emergency catcher on this team? Used to be Panik.

Houck/Whithlock/Barnes is some pretty tough pitching.
Houck is almost unhittable from the right side, which is why they would walk Dickerson.
I am not sure that Houck can be a starter.
Looking at his splits he's actually been better against the lefties.
He's totally killed the Yankees, .322 OPS, the Odor effect I suppose.
Only 3 AB against Tampa, 2 Ks and a double.
He was fine against the Orioles but the White Sox really hit him, 7 hits, 1 double, 1 homer.

Reverse situation for the Jays. No great options to pitch the 8th.
Cimber gives off too much contact to prevent the runner on second from scoring.
Romano for a second go around? Sorry, Buck. Bad idea.
I guess the idea was to get to the 9th with a better chance of stranding that runner against the bottom of the lineup.
Or hoping the top of the order hits another bomb off Barnes.
Guerrero came close.

Just need one more for 60 wins.

Parker - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 09:58 AM EDT (#404516) #
Pythagoras thought the Jays should've won both those games. They were 65-42 yesterday morning, now they're 67-42.
Parker - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 10:18 AM EDT (#404517) #
(I know that's not how it works. It's mathematically impossible for a team to play two games, score two runs and allow two runs, and win both games, obviously.)

The Jays' disappointing record in close games this year compared to their overall RS/RA is bound to produce some really strange small-sample results at this point in the season. Based on B-Ref's SRS, the Jays are the third-best team in baseball and the best in their division. In reality, they're not even the third-best team in their division and they're three games out of a chance at a playoff spot. That's a HUGE disparity. There are still enough games left to be played that it's not unreasonable to expect some regression, and by that I don't mean the Jays are going to have a bunch of blowout losses down the stretch. There's reason for optimism, is what I mean.
hypobole - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 10:34 AM EDT (#404518) #
Flogging a dead horse, but:

High Leverage
BB% - 8.8% -25th,
K% - 26.4% - 26th
BABIP - .341 - 3rd

All Situations
BB% - 7.9% - 23rd
K% - 21.3% - 2nd
BABIP - .303 - 5th
scottt - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 10:49 AM EDT (#404519) #
It's normal to crush bad pitching and be so-so against good pitching.
Good teams just have more good pitching.
On paper, those 7 inning games help the Jays since the starter can pitch almost the entire game, but Cora is smart enough to make one of them a bullpen game.

B-Ref give the Jays 54.9% chance to make the playoffs, fangraphs 41.1%.
Mets are down to 9.0% and 29%.
Mariners, 1.9% and 0.9%. 

Mike Green - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 12:07 PM EDT (#404520) #
The Giants-Brewers game was something.  It had 2 plays with .40+ WPA- one in the ninth and one in the tenth, but the game was decided in the 11th.  On the edge of the seats for about an hour...
hypobole - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 12:23 PM EDT (#404521) #
Don't know the WPA, but the Nats catcher, who had a .091 BA at the time, hit a 2 out 2 run HR in the ninth off Atlanta's closer for a 3-2 lead.
scottt - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 12:35 PM EDT (#404522) #
Duran and Martinez activated. I guess they tested negative after all?
Connor Wong optioned. Verdugo to the paternity list.

Yankees have put Rizzo on the Covid-IL and recalled Voit.
In the middle of their outbreak, they are playing their best baseball of the year.

ISLAND BOY - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 12:41 PM EDT (#404523) #
Bo is day-to-day with shin contusions. I know one happened yesterday and I think another the day before fouling off balls. It may have affected his last at-bat where he had a chance to tie the game. With his propensity for swinging at balls anywhere inside or outside the strike zone, maybe he should consider wearing a shin guard.
scottt - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#404524) #
Not a bad idea to give him 2 days of rest.
Basically going all defense for Ryu.

Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 01:31 PM EDT (#404525) #
It must be purely coincidental that Houck is also the name of my psychiatrist.
Nigel - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 01:35 PM EDT (#404526) #
Gurriel was born to be a DH.
Kasi - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#404527) #
Sigh weíre going to split this series arenít we. Was looking so good yesterday til bats disappeared.
scottt - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#404528) #
I still don't believe shifting and working the outside corner work together.
Certainly not with 2 strikes and choking on the bat.

Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 02:09 PM EDT (#404529) #
Attendance of the 2nd game Saturday was just 12,659...

All week long, Buck frequently mentioned that tickets were available for the late game. Steep prices for 7 innings?

So far, Ryu is not fooling the Red Sox, but not getting hammered either.

Chuck - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#404530) #
Aaron Sanchez was just DFA'd. His age-23 season filled everyone with optimism about the career that lay ahead. I assume he'll get more chances.
Eephus - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#404531) #
Don't think Ryu will be treating Patrick Murphy to BBQ anytime soon...
Kasi - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#404532) #
Probably should have brought someone in a bit better than Murphy. Had to think there is a better option for the bullpen here even after yesterday. Most of the time I donít disagree with the bullpen decisions but I think there were better options here.
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#404533) #
I agree with Kasi. It was only the 4th inning, but a big moment for a higher leverage reliever. Then, ride it out until the late innings.
Kasi - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 03:53 PM EDT (#404534) #
Iíd see if you could have brought in Cimber for just one batter there.
Chuck - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#404535) #
What was that all about? For one brief inning, the ghost of Whitey Herzog took control of this team. An exorcism would seem to be in order.
Magpie - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#404536) #
I assume [Sanchez will] get more chances.

He pitched well for the Giants, they just ran into a 40 man roster crunch.
Mike Green - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#404537) #
Is there a good reason to not pinch-hit for McGuire?  I can't think of any.
Magpie - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 04:55 PM EDT (#404538) #
Hell of an at bat. I don't understand it either, but a hell of an at bat.
Mike Green - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 04:59 PM EDT (#404539) #
I guess there was.
Kasi - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 05:01 PM EDT (#404540) #
Yay Springer. Go go Romano I guess. Geez that makes me nervous.
Magpie - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 05:01 PM EDT (#404541) #
Back in April, Montoyo started Kirk as the DH twice, and used him as a pinch-hitter twice (once for the DH, once for Jansen.) He also came off the bench to finish a couple of games behind the plate without batting, just to give Jansen a breather I presume.

Since he came back from the injury, all he's done is start games behind the plate, and he's been relieved three times. No Dhing, no pinch hitting. Might it have something to do with the absence of an emergency catcher on the roster?
Magpie - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#404542) #
Come on Kasi. Say it!

"That was a clutch hit."
christaylor - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#404543) #
Magpie - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 05:13 PM EDT (#404544) #
Had 'em all the way.
BlueJayWay - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 05:14 PM EDT (#404545) #
One run win, babe.
Mike Green - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#404546) #
And the Yankees lost.  It was a good day.
bpoz - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 05:17 PM EDT (#404547) #
Very sweet win. Romano was great. We are creeping up in the standings.
christaylor - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#404548) #
Yeesh. Preview looked fine and that mess came out.

At any rate. I for one enjoyed the ride th this weekend and we all deserve to have our fun in our own ways via baseball.

My fun will consist of repeating the phrase "they're a fun team to watch" to folks here in the Boston area... it would have anyway but saying it going 3/4 will be more fun than saying it after a split.
Kasi - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 05:41 PM EDT (#404549) #
That was the game Iíve been waiting for for months. Sweet to see them chip and grind away, even if the winning run did come from the HR Reeseís at bat was so important to get the Jays there.
SK in NJ - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 06:03 PM EDT (#404550) #
Great win and homestand. That was looking like a potentially demoralizing loss after Ryu was pulled and Murphy let the inherited runners in, plus the awful called strike 3 on Semien that changed that entire inning, but the offense chipped away and got the job done. Springer has a great post season resume so if there's any hitter you want up with the game on the line, he's the one on this team. I also wanted Kirk to bat for McGuire, but props to Reese for drawing that walk and extending the inning.
greenfrog - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 06:39 PM EDT (#404551) #
Springer is now .286/.370/.627 on the season. Absolute powerhouse this season. His OPS is a mere 50 points behind that of Vlad (and he plays a competent center field to boot).
Glevin - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 06:57 PM EDT (#404552) #
This was a win to remember. Just so much fun to watch. Going to be a great finish to the season.
greenfrog - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#404553) #
Off-day tomorrow. Great time for the team to revel in this win, recharge, get a bit healthier, and prepare for the next series.
electric carrot - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 08:15 PM EDT (#404555) #
I'm pretty convinced that without Springer the Jays lose 3 of 4 rather than win 3.
Kasi - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 08:41 PM EDT (#404556) #
Yeah Springer is amazing and not having him in the first half likely cost us 3-4 games just from all the ways he can affect a game. So many games where we just needed one more hit and Springer more than most could deliver it. I read somewhere that since the all star break he has a 234 WRC.
scottt - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#404557) #
Sanchez had a decent ERA but with low strike outs and high walks.
Yeah, that sounds familiar but he looks more Milone than the Sanchez that was getting Cy Young votes in Toronto.

His fastball velocity has gone down every year from 97mph when he debuted to 90mph with the Giants.
The curve is down from 82mph to 75mph, the change is down from 92mph to 84mph.
Fastball usage was once around 80%. This year it was less than 48% with curveball 30% and change 22%.
He still gets the blisters. That hasn't changed.

In other news, Alford is back with the Pirates and he's 4 for 8 since recalled with a couple of doubles.

greenfrog - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 08:54 PM EDT (#404558) #
Also, much respect to Reese McGuire for what heís done this season.
scottt - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 09:01 PM EDT (#404559) #
If they keep playing like this at home, they could play .500 ball on the road and still make the playoffs.

Boston is going home to host the Rays.

Kasi - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#404560) #
In other not so surprising news. https://www.torontomike.com/2021/08/buck-martinez-vaccination-controversy/ (go to about 37 minute mark here)

I donít have cable but it sounds like people have been experiencing about a second or so delay in Bucks calls for the games. Interesting enough Buck is in Florida still and Pat is in Ohio. Pat had to actually go back from Toronto to Ohio because it doesnít make sense to dual broadcast a game with one announcer in the stadium and the other not. Anyway the reason for this is because Buck has not got vaccinated and has no plans of getting
vaccinated so he canít get into Canada. I wonder how long this situation will be allowed to persist before Rogers gives some ultimatum. If itís making the broadcast worse I donít expect them to sit with this past this season.
Kasi - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#404561) #
Note that that Buck himself has not come out and said it himself and we donít know what Hebscherís source is. Hopefully we just get more Dan games since heís more fun to listen to.
uglyone - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#404562) #
#SummerOfGeorge
dalimon5 - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 10:39 PM EDT (#404563) #
Is it safe to say that Springerís diving catch in CF was the turning point for this season last week? I know I felt urgency rushing to the fore after that catch and his reaction.
tercet - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 10:39 PM EDT (#404564) #
Why can Kirby Snead enter Canada being an anti vaxxer with a criminal record while Buck cant come?
Players can get exceptions but broadcasters cant?
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 10:51 PM EDT (#404565) #
On Monday, August 23rd, the White Sox arrive in Toronto to play the Blue Jays. Tony La Russa must obtain a Criminal Rehabilitation in order to enter Canada. He has a pending DWI charge in Arizona. He has a prior DWI conviction in Florida that remains on his record for 75 years.
uglyone - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 10:57 PM EDT (#404566) #
"Is it safe to say that Springerís diving catch in CF was the turning point for this season last week? "

It's officially when Springer became one of the team leaders, at least.
greenfrog - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 10:59 PM EDT (#404567) #
The Berrios trade. The move back to Toronto. The Bo AB off Eovaldi in game 1. To name just a few ó there are a lot of moments to choose from.

For me, the Berrios trade was a big deal. It sent the message that the FO was unequivocally making a run at the postseason, here and now, arguably against the odds (and good sense). Taking a risk. ďLetís do this.Ē
hypobole - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 11:06 PM EDT (#404568) #
I believe the government gave an exemption for players and staff. Not fully vaccinated can't go out in public. Buck is not a player or staff.
uglyone - Sunday, August 08 2021 @ 11:15 PM EDT (#404569) #
"For me, the Berrios trade was a big deal"

We've seen a few examples of this now.

2014 - no trade, good team tanks.

2015 - big trade, good team surges.

2021 - big trade, good team surges.

It's real.
vw_fan17 - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 12:38 AM EDT (#404570) #
So, what is up with MLB staff writers? Seems they're just as biased against the Jays as the umps were in that series..

Jays go 8-2 in the last 10, and they DROP 3 spots in the "power rankings" from 11 to 14? 14? With the 4th best run differential in the entire league? I want some of what that guy is smoking.
StephenT - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 03:18 AM EDT (#404571) #
I have trouble believing that Buck wouldn't do his part to keep the pressure off the hospital workers, etc.
bpoz - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 06:57 AM EDT (#404573) #
Definitely intend to enjoy the rest of this season.

The record shows that Springer got back Jun 22. He has been V good July and Aug. Definitely a big help.

The Berrios trade strengthened the team. All 6 rotation members are pitching at their best "all year" level currently. Trading 2 good prospects for a #2/3 that will definitely consider an extension can still be a steep price depending on how the prospects develop.

Our weakness is that the pen has not established that they are a good to great pen. We know the effect of a bad pen.
scottt - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 07:06 AM EDT (#404574) #
They could have Buck do only the road games.
dalimon5 - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 08:02 AM EDT (#404575) #
I canít believe how this site never stops to prove that despite how good the baseball team is playing, there are always debates to be had based on complaints or grudges. McGuireís credibility to start back an out of shape catcher, Buckís personal decisions regarding vaccines, etc. If Toronto wins the World Series I get the sense that the very next day this site will shift the discussion to why the Skydome needs to be rebuilt or upgraded. Of course discussions and debates will appear and veer, but lately itís just been non stop and only non baseball by some posters.
hypobole - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 08:32 AM EDT (#404576) #
Jays have had issues in extra innings. But they've got company. How about the team with the 3rd best record in baseball?

"The Dodgers are now an incredible 1-12 in extra-inning games, including 11 straight losses. They're one loss away from tying the 1969 Expos for the most such losses in a row in a season -- and the Expos were an expansion team that lost 110 games."
Mike Green - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 10:49 AM EDT (#404577) #
I have no idea what Buck Martinez thinks about vaccines or whether he is in fact vaccinated, but vaccination has a significant impact on the baseball season.  The reason the Jays are playing in the RC rather than in Buffalo or Dunedin is that vaccination rates make it somewhat plausible that games can be played and watched without causing significant community spread in Canada.  For the players and managers, vaccination is not only about protecting themselves but about helping the team win.  The Yankees have had Rizzo, Sanchez, Montgomery and Cole on the Covid IL in the last month or so.  It might end up making the difference whether they make the playoffs or not.  This is not a "personal choice" issue, much as some of our politicians make it out to be. 

As of today, I imagine that a broadcaster would be able to come to Canada to call a game if vaccinated.  It would be awfully nice to hear Dan Shulman calling a game from the broadcast booth at the RC rather than Buck Martinez calling it remotely. 


92-93 - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 11:23 AM EDT (#404580) #
Thankfully with Wagner back calling the game on the radio you can choose that audio stream on MLB.TV. It's typically only a second or two ahead of the video feed.
Dewey - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 12:04 PM EDT (#404585) #
One of the lesser delights of the recent Red Sox series is reading the comments in Boston newspapers. John Henry is hopeless; so is Chaim Bloom; and Cora simply cannot manage a bullpen. Bostonians know how to kvetch.
Mike Green - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#404586) #
Thanks, 92-93.  I wasn't sure about the synchronization.  I'll have to try it. 
bpoz - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 12:15 PM EDT (#404587) #
Thanks Dewey. Hope there is more to come.
ISLAND BOY - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 12:24 PM EDT (#404588) #
You should see the Red Sox blogs online, Dewey. I was reading one, Over The Monster, yesterday just to enjoy their bitching and complaining after the series with the Jays.
electric carrot - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 12:31 PM EDT (#404589) #
One of the lesser delights

I lived in Boston before 2003 and I really could not believe what I heard on Boston sports radio after a Red Sox loss. I'd never heard such whining -- even when I was in kindergarten. Only this was 40 year old men.

Fenway still the best park tho to see a game.
92-93 - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 12:54 PM EDT (#404591) #
Fenway has great nostalgia, no doubt, but give me Wrigleyville's vibe any day over Yawkey Way.
electric carrot - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 01:06 PM EDT (#404592) #
Wrigleyville's vibe

I'll take your word for it 92-93. Never saw a game there so I'll assume that you're right and try to get to one.
Dr. Zarco - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 05:08 PM EDT (#404603) #
I lived in Chicago for 4 years, including the Cubs Ď04 playoff run (Bartman!). Wrigleyville is pretty neat, but Wrigley itself is a dump. My least favorite stadium. No desire to go back. I guess you should see it once, the ivy is neat. I enjoyed the White Sox park (US Cellular at the time), though.
hypobole - Monday, August 09 2021 @ 06:19 PM EDT (#404607) #
I've only been to one stadium outside Toronto and it was Wrigley on a company trip. We had seats behind home plate. Around the 7th inning I told the group I was leaving for a while to take a trip to the bleachers above the ivy. I don't know why, but it was something I wanted to do for a long time. Spent about an inning there. My universe was complete.
John Northey - Tuesday, August 10 2021 @ 12:53 AM EDT (#404616) #
Visiting stadiums is fun.  Been to old Tiger's Stadium (sadly gone now) when I lived in Windsor for a year - they had a city bus that took you there before the game and one to pick you up when it was over.  You did NOT miss that bus if you valued your life.  Scary area, but tons of fun in that park and buying junk from vendors after the game (still have my "Save Tiger Stadium" t-shift).  Also got to Fenway for a game when my bowling team went to Boston.  Me and a teammate went to the game, only standing room seats available but that was perfect as we sat in deep CF for a few innings, then wandered to the first base roof (yes, seats are on the roof) we had to stand on the shingles but it was great fun.  After the game we wandered through the luxury suite area (being a white male in my 20's made it possible I figure) then wandered behind home plate and took a few photos before quickly leaving as the security finally noticed we weren't supposed to be there.  Olympic Stadium in Montreal once for an Expos game in 1994 (ended with a walk off inside the park home run by Marquis Grissom) - very dead area that stadium is in, at least it was back then.  Most recent was Target Field in Minneapolis (2017 I think) - saw the Jays win with a big crowd of Jay fans there.  Great setup there with a city train taking you there from where we were staying, nice safe feeling setup around the park and a beautiful park to watch a game at.

Exhibition Stadium I visited many times, sat in nearly every section I figure.  SkyDome similar (luxury box and the club seats too - once each, but not the hotel).  Sadly didn't get to the All-Star game in 1991 (had a shot at tickets for the home run derby but had a conflict) or to the playoffs (way too expensive).

I strongly recommend going to a game outside of Toronto if you can.
Michael - Tuesday, August 10 2021 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#404641) #
Beyond Toronto, I've done Boston, Cleveland (old stadium), Detroit, Seattle, Oakland, and SF. It was/is relatively cheap to get good seats in Detroit (we were right behind home plate about a dozen rows up for an interleague game with Atlanta) and at Oakland. But I think SF is probably the nicest of those stadium. All were worth seeing IMO.
JohnL - Tuesday, August 10 2021 @ 02:59 PM EDT (#404644) #
Outside of SkyDome & Exhibition Stadium, Iíve been to Jays games at Tiger Stadium, old Yankee Stadium, Fenway, Camden Yards, and a memorable game in Oakland (Alomarís HR off Eckersley.)

Have only been to 2 minor league stadiums: Maple Leaf Stadium, and Pawtucket. Saw the Red Sox against Syracuse (with Delgado). Interestingly- I didnít know it at the time - the Paw Sox were the old Toronto Maple Leaf franchise.
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