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The Cincinnati Reds have fired General Manager Jim Bowden and Manager Bob Boone. The Reds, dead last in pitching and with one of the worst defences in baseball, for some reason also fired their hitting coach Tom Robson and third-base coach Tim Foli. Triple-A Louisville manager Dave Miley will take over the team on at least an interim basis.


Few doubt that Boone is one of the smartest people in the game and that Bowden was the most creative GM in baseball. But in the end, too many factors did them in: the Ken Griffey injuries (and, some might argue, the Griffey trade itself), the regression of Adam Dunn, the refusal to send Barry Larkin packing years ago, the failure to get the most out of a talented roster, the overreliance on pitching coach Don Gullett to turn broken-down warhorses into thoroughbreds, the obsession with five-tool, zero-skill outfielders, and the inability to meet championship expectations in a tough baseball town fostered by Griffey's arrival and the opening of Bud Selig's panacea, a new ballpark. The only surprise, perhaps, is that Carl Lindner, author of most of his own misfortune, didn't wait till the end of the year. Maybe when Griffey's season ended, so did Bowden and Boone's.

Will Boone and Bowden get a second chance? Almost certainly, it says here: Boone will join the ex-catcher managerial merry-go-round, and some smart team will hire Bowden to be the Resident Genius in a back room of the front office, where he can spin his crazy ideas while being kept from implementing most of them. And what next for the Reds? Will they recycle the Ray Knights and Kevin Malones of the baseball world? Or will they join the growing ranks of sabrmetric devotees, wooing Paul DePodesta or someone similar to Beaneify the team? Lindner is renowned as a cheapskate, and he may decide he likes what Beane and Ricciardi are doing with smaller payrolls. Keep an eye on developments in Cincy.
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Pepper Moffatt - Monday, July 28 2003 @ 01:12 PM EDT (#96208) #
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When Keith Law becomes GM of the Reds, I think he should consider hiring John Neary as an assistant, even if none of his findings are significant. :)
_dp - Monday, July 28 2003 @ 01:16 PM EDT (#96209) #
Man, I hope the Mets are taking a look at Bowden for GM. Every year the guy turns up almost-star OF for free, and that's what the Mets need now.
Coach - Monday, July 28 2003 @ 01:21 PM EDT (#96210) #
Beaneification requires patience, which is in short supply among Cincinnati fans, so I think Lindner will select a "name" GM, who will have input in appointing the next skipper.

I'm sure that an owner will eventually hire DePodesta to run a team, but he might be more valuable as a top assistant and advisor. Moneyball suggests the bickering between scouts and analysts is considerable, so the optimum solution may be to have someone in charge who played, scouted or coached, but is open to innovative ideas. DePodesta (or any "outsider") might find it more difficult to navigate those waters as the boss than as the #2 man; he could face even greater resentment from the "traditional wisdom" crowd, compared to someone like Billy or J.P., who rose from their ranks.
_Shane - Monday, July 28 2003 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#96211) #
Wow. A Bob Boone fan, other than Bob himself.
_Pod - Monday, July 28 2003 @ 04:41 PM EDT (#96212) #
Jim Bowden, like Gord Ash, had a love for Number 5 starters. It is for this reason that he has been dusted.
Let us pray that JP's Jays do not suffer the same fate.
Craig B - Monday, July 28 2003 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#96213) #
I tend to agree with Gideon... Bowden got canned because he acquired a belief (shared by all too many people in the online baseball community until this year) that The Magical Don Gullett could turn sh*t into Shinola. This year, he finally went too far, and essentially gave Gullett such a godawful manure pile that his magic powers were totally helpless.

As for Boone, I see Buck Martinez in a red hat. Feh. Just as Buck might make a good manager one day, the same could happen to Boone.
_Mick - Monday, July 28 2003 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#96214) #
If Bob Boone and Joe Torre had traded careers starting in 1996, everyone would be talking about how Boone's long All-Star career plus his four World Series rings as a manager made him a cinch for the Hall of Fame.
Craig B - Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 12:24 AM EDT (#96215) #
God, Mick, you're right. What a horrid thought. Of course, you don't hear an *awful* lot about Torre's Hall of Fame candidacy, and Torre was three times the player that Bob Boone was (though Boone was a fine player).
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