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TSN reports that the Jays have claimed former top pitching prospect Seung Song off waivers from the Expos.

Originally signed by the Red Sox in February of 1999, the now 24-year-old righthander was traded to Montreal along with Sun Woo Kim in exchange for Cliff Floyd, July 2002. Song breezed through the low minors before slowing down slightly when he hit Double-A in 2002. He mastered that level in 2003 and earned a promotion, but again struggled with a new level. This past year at AAA Edmonton, Song posted a 4.26 ERA in 63 innings. In May, he broke his right arm (radius bone) while sliding into second base and missed two months. Currently pitching in the Arizona Fall League, Song has a 5.91 ERA in 21 innings.

Seung Song, RHP, Born June 29, 1980, 6’1”, 190 lbs
AAA 137 139 13 62 99 4.00
AA 186 166 16 61 165 3.47
A 208 161 7 59 238 2.42
R 54 47 2 20 61 2.30

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_Jabonoso - Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 06:58 PM EST (#17795) #
In which role has he pitched?
What are his pitches and velocity?

Looks fine, he is young...
_Jonny German - Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 07:04 PM EST (#17796) #
Song has been used exclusively as a starter. I don't know what his pitches are, but Rotoworld (COMN) indicates that his velocity is down from what it once was. Rotoworld feels it's a bad move by the Expos, and that Song still has the potential to be a 4th or 5th starter.
_Ryan C - Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 07:17 PM EST (#17797) #
Here's a short scouting report I found from not sure when it was written. COMN to see the full page with stats breakdown.

"Scouting Report: Song is a power pitcher with excellent command. His fastball reaches the mid 90s. He has taught himself a curveball that gives him a second above-average pitch. He is strong and speaks English well. Song tends to rely on his fastball and will need to throw his curve more often at higher levels. Currently his weakest pitch, his changeup needs more work as well."
_Wildrose - Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 07:28 PM EST (#17798) #
Well he's still pretty young, only 24, so he may still have some up-side. Baseball prospectus notes the Expo's wanted him to improve his leg lift and speed up his tempo but that he is "strong willed" and slow to embrace instruction. Pretty mediocre S/O rates lately, has he been srtuggling with injury?

The team must have saw something they liked in Arizona to give him a roster spot.
_Rob - Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 08:13 PM EST (#17799) #
I thought I recognized his name from somewhere...but why would I know Expos prospects? Then I saw he was traded for Cliff Floyd in July of 2002. Bells went off. I opened up Moneyball to my favourite chapter ("The Trading Desk") and lo and behold, on page 207:

"So who is this other guy?" says Billy. "This Korean pitcher. How do you say his name? Song Song?"
Mike Green - Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 08:39 PM EST (#17800) #
Interesting acquisition. Triple A Edmonton is, of course, in the PCL, so an ERA of 4, and less than 1 HR/9IP are quite good numbers. Teams are scoring six runs per game in the AFL, so there's nothing surprising about that number either. Loss of velocity is another matter altogether.
_Marc - Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 09:08 PM EST (#17801) #
BA says that Song now throws about 89-90 mph with a plus curveball and useable changeup. He has problems locating the change though.

My personal opinion is that he sounds like a middle reliever, especially in the American League.
_Jonny German - Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 09:25 PM EST (#17802) #
I've just deleted a comment by poster "Jordan". The comment, though inane, would not normally be delete-able, but I'll eat my shirt if it was posted by our esteemed Jordan Furlong. A quick IP check reassures me I won't have to be finding out what cotton does to a digestive system.

Whoever you are, please be advised that the handle "Jordan" is very much taken. Please choose something else if you wish to post.
_Mike Forbes - Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 09:42 PM EST (#17803) #
By all accounts, if you take his age into consideration he should be able to regain some of his throwing strength.. Maybe he won't return to the mid-90's but I wouldn't be surpised if he could get it back around 91-93mph.
_Mylegacy - Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 10:33 PM EST (#17804) #
Slightly off stream but I'm just back from Vegas (my annual give money to the poor casino owners in Nevada trip) and while I was down there I noticed that DJ Hanson and Raul Tablado have both been activated. Good to see DJ back in the living. AND real good to see whatever transgression Raul committed is finally forgiven!
Dave Till - Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 10:58 PM EST (#17805) #
First thought: You can never have too much pitching.
Second thought: He can't be that good, if the Expos are willing to let him be waived.
Third thought: With pitching, you never know. And a waiver claim is not a huge risk.
_Chuck Van Den C - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 08:59 AM EST (#17806) #
Fourth thought: It's a slow news day when this transaction gets its own thread.
_greenfrog - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 11:41 AM EST (#17807) #
Good to hear that Tablado is back. Anyone know why he was suspended in the first place?

Seung seems like a low-risk signing with some potential upside, especially if he can recover some or all of his velocity. His numbers in A and AA ball were very good. Looks like JP is doing more patching while we wait for the farm system to develop...
_Whomever - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 12:07 PM EST (#17808) #
"I've just deleted a comment by poster "Jordan". The comment, though inane, would not normally be delete-able, but I'll eat my shirt if it was posted by our esteemed Jordan Furlong. A quick IP check reassures me I won't have to be finding out what cotton does to a digestive system."

I've you're gonna do some childish dibs on names thing, then create a friggin' registration system. Until then, I don't see why anyone's comment should get deleted because it was posted with a name that happened to be the same as a regular poster. Names, you know, aren't unique.
_Wildrose - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 01:08 PM EST (#17809) #
Names are not unique, but handles are. "Jordan whomever" don't get so frosted, adapt your handle. We have a million Ryan's on this board and they've each adapted their own unique signature. Frankly its just common courtesy to prevent confusion.
_Johan Deutscher - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 01:40 PM EST (#17810) #
Yeah, and it would have been common courtesy just to tell the guy to modify his handle, rather than heavy handedly deleting the post. That smacks of powerdickery to me.
_Wildrose - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 01:45 PM EST (#17811) #
_Pete Warren - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 01:58 PM EST (#17812) #
This ws probably just signed for depth at AAA
Named For Hank - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 02:54 PM EST (#17813) #
In case you were not aware of it, Jordan is the handle of one of the roster members who posts rather frequently, not just a regular poster. Certainly the same thing would happen if you had appropriated any of the other names of the people running the site, on purpose or not.

As for a registration system, the spam assault of late will probably lead to exactly that. Of course, it's not easy to migrate a site like this overnight, unless you want to lose all the posts of years past.
Named For Hank - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 02:58 PM EST (#17814) #
Also, I don't think that making sure people are not confused about what posts come from people running the site and what posts don't come from people running the site is "childish". And I can't quite understand how it could be seen that way.

When I first came here, I figured I'd post just using my name: Aaron. But when I checked out the roster, turns out there was already an Aaron. So in the interests of keeping identities straight, I became NFH.
_Johan Deutscher - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 03:34 PM EST (#17815) #
I am aware of the original Jordan. I'm not taking issue with trying to make sure unique handles are used. I'm taking issue with the heavy handed way it was handled. Would it have been so hard to a post saying something along the lines of "To the guy who posted as Jordan above. There's already a Jordan who posts frequently. Would you mind using another handle to keep things from getting confused." Not only did Jonny delete it, but had to throw in the petty bit about it being inane. As I said, powerdickish.

And just for the record, I'm not the guy who posted under the name Jordan above.
Craig B - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 04:23 PM EST (#17816) #
This ws probably just signed for depth at AAA

I doubt it. Song can actually pitch; there's no reason at this point in the off-season (before the Rule 5) to make (and pay for) a waiver claim just for depth at AAA.

Song's only 24 and won't be 25 until June, and he's posted good numbers. The only time he has ever had low K numbers was in 2003, and even then he put up real good numbers. I suspect that Bowden wants to sign a raft of his own favorites, so in trying to slip some assets through waivers he got one stolen - it happens.
_Ryan Lind - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 05:58 PM EST (#17817) #
In fairness though, Johan, it was an inane comment. By both definitions.

I predict Song will be the Frasor/Aquilino of 2005.
_Geoff - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 06:26 PM EST (#17818) #
Is there anyone in the Jays organization, other than Dustin McGowan, who is currently injured and not expected to be ready for April 2004?
_Willy - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 07:01 PM EST (#17819) #
Also, I don't think that making sure people are not confused about what posts come from people running the site and what posts don't come from people running the site is "childish"

Interesting comment. Since I've been on this list I've come to some conclusions about who is worth paying attention to and who isn't. Oddly, it often doesn't matter whether the poster is a "roster member" or not: some of them I don't pay much attention to either. NFH's comment could arguably be seen as suggesting that "roster members"' posts are inherently superior to those made by others on the list--an impression fostered by the tone of some roster members' posts. It ain't necessarily so. (This is not to dispute that it is confusing if two posters share the same 'handle'.)
_mathesond - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 07:31 PM EST (#17820) #
Even more surprising is the lack of attention given to the Giants signing Vizquel
_Rob - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 07:39 PM EST (#17821) #
I think everyone who has been here for some time can look at the name of the poster and tell right away if they are worth paying attention to. It's not about being self-righteous or recording every single one of a certain poster's comments at all.

I've been checking out this site daily for almost a year now and as I start seeing the same names, I can't help but notice:
- the person who always seems to have a hate-on for a specific player (Hinske, Batista, Berg in my case)
- the person who usually has a good idea to debate or trade rumour to discuss
- the person who spells everything wrong
or many others.

Simply because I read the comments or contribute to discussions at Da Box, I've learned that Mike Moffatt is a videogame-hating pinko commie, Jobu thinks Reed Johnson is an overrated hack who shouldn't be in the majors, and Named For Hank absolutely hates the Blue Jays and wishes baseball would go away.

If you recognize the facetiousness in the above paragraph, you know what I mean when I say you learn stuff about people, even if it is minimal.
_Willy - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 08:15 PM EST (#17822) #
If you recognize the facetiousness in the above paragraph...

High fives for Rob correctly spelling "facetious"! (I remember an earlier post by someone whose name I can't recall making it *something* like 'factitious'--which, of course, made no sense at all. But eventually I worked out that he meant "facetious".)

[Rob learns that Willy agonizes over members of Da Box mangling the English language.]
_Johan Deutscher - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 08:24 PM EST (#17823) #
When I was in school, one of the first honors I got was to be a member of the Arista, which is a group of kids who got good grades - eh? - and everybody wanted to be a member of the Arista, and when I got into the Arista I discovered that what they did in their meetings wsa to sit around and discuss who else was worthy to join this wonderful group that we are - okay? So we sat around trying to decide who it was who would get to be allowed into this Arista.

-Richard Feynman
Craig B - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 09:23 PM EST (#17824) #
Surely you're joking, Johan.
_Ryan Lind - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 09:24 PM EST (#17825) #
Johan, if that were true, you'd have been kicked out three posts ago. :-D

Seriously though, I don't think the roster members have ever banned posters other than blatant spammers. Am I wrong?
Craig B - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 09:35 PM EST (#17826) #
Let's not get into it.
_Jobu - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 09:43 PM EST (#17827) #
Welcome to another edition of Jobu's corner. Today's guest, Hans Blix.

Item 1) Rob is right. If that bald headed waste of cleats comes panhandling for a job around here again taking space from Chad Hermansen, he's gonna get a knuckle sandwhich!

Item 2) Don't hold out on us Johan! How do I apply to this "El Artista" club??

Item 3) That's alot of money for Omar Visquel. I'd rather just buy a really nice hat for that money. Well... maybe 12.25 very nice hats.

Item 4) COMN. See the most "recent" correction? I'm the one who wrote that correction, and they finally listened to me! In your face whoever wrote the "error".

That's it for Jobu's Corner tonight. I'd like to thank my special guest Hans Blix (are for kids). See ya next time.
Named For Hank - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 09:44 PM EST (#17828) #
NFH's comment could arguably be seen as suggesting that "roster members"' posts are inherently superior to those made by others on the list--an impression fostered by the tone of some roster members' posts. It ain't necessarily so.

Come on -- that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that if we get a post from someone posting as, say, Coach, and they say something related to the site, or something about another poster, then that will be taken as the "position" of Batter's Box (even if that is not the way it works). I realize that is not what happened here, but it's something that needs to be nipped in the bud, not tolerated at all, otherwise we'll have someone down the road that complains that we're discriminating against them because we didn't remove the post from so-and-so six months ago. That is a problem that we've had. Unfortunately, some people like to play "rules lawyer", so we basically have to be zero tolerance and heavy handed with everything.

Yes, it sucks. And yes, registration would get rid of it. But there are also lots of folks who'd prefer that we not go to registration.
_Willy - Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 10:55 PM EST (#17829) #
What I'm saying is that if we get a post from someone posting as, say, Coach, and they say something related to the site, or something about another poster, then that will be taken as the "position" of Batter's Box (even if that is not the way it works). I realize that is not what happened here, but it's something that needs to be nipped in the bud, not tolerated at all,...

Well, no. It's *not* what happened here (the "if" is huge). Not at all. So the 'banning' threat was designed to 'nip in the bud' something that hasn't even occurred yet? That seems pretty Orwellian,don't you think?

Aside from the illogic of your response, then, I have no quarrel with you if you're not implying anything about the nature and quality of Roster members' posts as opposed to those made by others. I don't care for registration either; and it must be tricky running a blog. If posters are treated with respect, however, my experience is that they in turn will treat the list with respect.
_Johan Deutscher - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 12:45 AM EST (#17830) #
That's "Mr. Deutscher" to you, Craig.

And the Feynman thing was a bit over the top, but from a long time lurker and very infrequent poster there is a bit of an insiders club feel that some (and by no means all) of the roster and even some non-roster posters seem to exude. Still a very enjoyable site, but could just be made that little more enjoyable if it didn't exist.
_S. Bialo - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 01:08 AM EST (#17831) #
Honestly? You people need to get a grip.

I posted here for over a year under the handle 'S.K.', not every day but a few times a week. When the site got more popular, other posters arrived who began to post under similar names (there was an SK, someone who was '___ from SK', that kind of thing). It just wasn't worth the trouble, so I started using my current handle. (and posting far less frequently, though that's an unrelated phenomenon).

My point? 'Jordan' wasn't contributing to the discussion. It wasn't a post anyone will miss. And since 'Jordan' hasn't come forth since to talk about it, it wasn't a poster we'll miss either. Why the complaining? I for one am very glad that when i read a post by someone named 'Jordan' I will know for sure who it is, since the members of the BB roster have earned their spots.
Named For Hank - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 07:21 AM EST (#17832) #
Willy, you didn't address the very important point of mine about zero tolerance and why, based on past experience, it's neccesary. That is the whole what and why of this problem.
_Johan Deutscher - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 08:33 AM EST (#17833) #
And, you, Hank didn't address the very trivial point of mine about the fact that there was a much nicer, more tolerant, less powerdickesque, less takingourselvessoseriously way of dealing with the situation.

This is a freaking internet blog. To apply words like 'zero tolerance' to it shows, among other things, a distict lack of perspective. The guy posted a stupid comment under a roster members name. In the big scheme of things it's not a big deal and certainly no reason to go all stormtroopery on him and feed into the notion that there are some who control this site who's sphincters are a little tight.
_Geoff - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 08:34 AM EST (#17834) #
I second S. Bialo - In fact, I'd be fine if the people who run this site deleted all posts related to the running of this site. Its just noise, and annoys me. I come here to read about baseball and the Blue Jays. I respect the fact that a lot of people put a lot of hard work into running this site and to me they have never been haevy-handed or whatever. But, that's just my opinion, I respect that others have the right to criticize whatever they like. I just think e-mail is a more appropriate forum for this kind of discussion.

Lets get back to talking about baseball!
_Ryan C - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 09:08 AM EST (#17835) #
Here, here Geoff.

I pay nothing for this site. As far as Im concerned the people who actually pay for and operate the site can do what they want because it belongs to them. Im just happy that they share it with me for free. If the atmosphere is one that I dislike then I'll leave and go somewhere else, it's not like there's a shortage of blogs or baseball sites on the web. Of course I've never found the atmosphere here to be a problem and so I continue to come back.
Named For Hank - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 09:43 AM EST (#17836) #
And, you, Hank didn't address the very trivial point of mine about the fact that there was a much nicer, more tolerant, less powerdickesque, less takingourselvessoseriously way of dealing with the situation.

Was the message a little rude? Yes. And so was the initial post. Personally, I don't put up with anyone who'd term another human being a piece of crap. And as such, I have no problem with it. Seung is a person, and regardless of his level of skill (which I know nothing about), he is a human being and not a piece of crap. I will not defend the other Jordan's right to call him such.
Named For Hank - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 09:45 AM EST (#17837) #
Sorry, for clairity: I have no problem with Jonny's response, because the post he removed was offensive, imo. Another reason for it not to be confused with one by our own Jordan.
_Matthew E - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 09:53 AM EST (#17838) #
On the internet, any chatroom, bulletin board, message board, forum or blog-with-comments worth paying attention to at all eventually develops a community that seems like an insiders-only club to those who are new to the conversation. It's the nature of the beast.

Fortunately, we have a tool to cope with this phenomenon. It's called 'civility', and many people are adept at its use. It's the ones who aren't that cause the problems.
_DeMarco - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 10:33 AM EST (#17839) #
Whithout knowing was was said in his comment, I think deleting the Jordan post was a little extreme.

I think the best way to handle this situation would have been to add an X after then new Jordan's name(kind of like the musical group Bush X), then made a post stating that there is already a regular poster using the name Jordan and that they should pick another handle.
_mr predictor - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 10:46 AM EST (#17840) #
Anyone have any thoughts on letting former first rounder Billy Traber slip by on waivers (he was claimed by the BoSox) but picking up Song instead?

Traber's a 25 year old LHP with better AA and AAA numbers than Song had, who is rehabbing from TJ surgery. You may remember him from the Alomar-Mets trade. Traber has one year of MLB service time.

I think Theo got the better arm.
_Caino - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 02:50 PM EST (#17841) #
Johan, DeMarco;

As you well know, in recent weeks, this Blog have been under attack from "Evil Spammers". In order to combat the ever present danger of an impending attack, we must accept limitations to posting rights. It is in this regard, that the current administration must enlist the support and confidence of all Batters Box Posters. This is a very difficult time for us all. But we must work together to fight the "Evil Spammers".
_DeMarco - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 03:58 PM EST (#17842) #

I understand that point of view, however, if JordanX was part of the evil spammers, I think that the way his post was deleted would only fuel his fire to take down this site.

It's just my opinion so take it for what it is.
robertdudek - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 04:05 PM EST (#17843) #

Brilliant Dick Cheney impression!
_The Original Ry - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 04:15 PM EST (#17844) #
In order to combat the ever present danger of an impending attack, we must accept limitations to posting rights.

The Batriot Act?
_Grand Funk Rail - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 04:56 PM EST (#17845) #
This is a freaking internet blog. To apply words like 'zero tolerance' to it shows, among other things, a distinct lack of perspective.

This is one of the major reasons I progressed (regressed?) from a daily visitor who posted comments on a regular basis, to a casual visitor who rarely posted, to my current status of someone who drops by once every couple of weeks, and doesn't post at all.

This site takes itself FAR too seriously. At first it was the endless minutiae of stats that turned me off...too many useless stats spewed right and left by the 'regulars' to make themselves sound more knowledgeable about the game of baseball than they really are.

Now it's the blatant 'police state' this site is being run under.

Ease up guys.
It's a baseball site.

Grand Funk out.
_Caino - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 06:00 PM EST (#17846) #
"The Batriot Act?"

_Ryan Lind - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 09:30 PM EST (#17847) #
You just can't please everybody. If you try to keep a website civil, you get told that you need to "ease up" and that you take yourself "too seriously." If you ease up on the rules, and let people do what they want, you get a crapfest like ... well, like 90% of message boards on the 'net.

Take your pick. There are plenty of sites out there that host Jays discussion, and I think this one is run the best.
_Jobu - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 10:29 PM EST (#17848) #
Hello and welcome to another edition of Jobu's Corner. My guest tonight is Hans Gruber.

Item 1) Police State? Common.. that's a little harsh. I don't think a blog run like a police state would let an entire thread be consumed by posters attacking the way the site is run. Unless you were just using a little of the ol' hyperbole, in which case carry on.

Item 2) Seems like this whole mess could have been avoided if the original poster read the FAQ. Speaking of which, I think it's about time we update the "Nicknames" section of it, we've come up with some doozies since then.

Item 3) Since everyone else is tossing their $0.02 into the talks, I will too. Without criticizing anyone else’s beliefs, I of my own accord happen to enjoy the way this site is supervised very much, it is what drew me to it. Stats-heads like the roster are what keep this blog the source for info instead of letting it deteriorate into an ESPN flamefest a long time ago with people screaming "RAISE THE BUDGET TO 70 MILLION AND SIGN KEN GRIFFEY, KEN GRIFFEY JR AND SERGIO MOMESSO”. Furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation and calling people gay when they feel cornered.

Item 4) Some final thoughts on Jordan-Gate. Son, we live in an internet that has blogs, and those blogs have to be guarded by men with access to thread moderations. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Johan Deutscher? They have more responsibility here than you could possibly fathom. You weep for JordanX, and you curse the roster. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what they know. That JordanX's deletion, while tragic, probably saved this blog from later invasions. And that the rosters existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves blog space. I know deep down in places you don't talk about at online, you don't want the roster on the blog, you NEED the roster on that blog. They use words like honour, syntax-code, loyalty. They use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. They have neither the time nor the inclination to explain themselves to a man who rises and sleeps and posts under the blanket of the very freedom they provide, then questions the manner in which they provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a keyboard, and start a blog server. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. You want the post? You want THAT post!? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THAT POST!!

This has been Jobu’s Corner. My thanks to Hans Gruber.
_Tom L - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 10:30 PM EST (#17849) #
What is going on is unreal! This is a baseball site, but it has recently turned into a battlegroud. Hopefully it is just the result of the slowly progressing offseason. Anyways the events which are going on is not right. This site is run like a dictatorship! Why should users be banned, or their posts erased for a simple unintentional mistake. It is very evident, not only to myself but to other users, that many of those who oraganize this site are on a power trip. A simple notification of Jason's mistake would have been sufficient. Enough of the childish games that are going on. Lets get back to baseball, and get ready for an exciting offseason.
_Wunderbat - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 11:18 PM EST (#17850) #
The phrase dictatorship seems awfully harsh. Especially since there is no single leader. Its more of an aristocracy if anything. I kid, I kid. I find the site to be very well run, providing a wonderful source of knowledge and an outlet for opinion. If anything, the amount of public outcry, though completely unneccessary in my opinion, is a testament to how many people enjoy this site and its setu[.

Actually, one can still get enjoyment out of this thread if they look past the negativity at the comic messages inserted within as satirizing the whole ordeal. For example, Tom L., I hope you just missed Jobu's clever post, and did not miss his intention, or otherwise I would suggest you watch more movies. And Caino's remark would have made Jon Stewart proud.

The sad thing, is the big loser in all of this, is the forgotten soul Seung Song who's acquisition has been overlooked amidst the above fury. I wish I had something to say about him, but I know little to nothing, except wonder what his signing indicates about the futures of Josh Towers and Justin Miller with the Blue Jays.
Craig B - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 11:23 PM EST (#17851) #


Craig B - Monday, November 15 2004 @ 11:30 PM EST (#17852) #
Incidentally, if someone has a complaint about the way the site is run, they should feel free to e-mail me.

I will listen to anything you have to say. Please don't flood the threads with all this stuff.
_SF - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 12:01 AM EST (#17853) #
This thread is making me sad.
_Jobu - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 12:58 AM EST (#17854) #
You're an emotional guy SF. Refreshing to see that nowadays.
_Jeff Geauvreau - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 04:03 AM EST (#17855) #
Rant On

Hey Guys cut the crap! If you want to disagree about something email a Roster member. This is not an f*****g message board.

This has to stop ! You are bumming people out by crying about Roster member decisions. Are you paying for this the access to this site, do you pay the bills, no and no.

All beefs with Management should be directed at the Management. The readership of this board for the most part does not want to hear this sh**.

If you don't have the common decency to email your complaint then I put forward the motion as a regular poster that your post should be deleted.

This blog is not a democracy for average posters. Look at poor SF, you are bumming the guy right out of winter holidays ( LMAO ). (post # 260859 ).

I want my baseball blog back, thank you very much.

Rant Off
_Tyler - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 05:08 AM EST (#17856) #

I'm saying this with all due respect, but if there are complaints about the way that the blog is run arising from a specific incident, it's not surprising if they end up getting dicussed in the public forum. There were less inflammatory ways of dealing with what happened, although to be honest, as a regular poster, I wasn't too outraged. It did seem typical of some of the stuff here, but hey, that's life.

There is more than just paying the bills to running a blog. I'm not sure who is paying the bills for this place, but I know some of the Roster members have had a great deal of access to the Blue Jays come from this, so there are benefits that have accrued from running the joint in addition to liabilities. I've discussed this in the past in that I think it leads to people pulling punches, but that's a different issue for a different time. Posters here who aren't roster members may not be paying bills, but I'd suggest that the fact the site is a must read for any hardcore Jays fan is what gives the site the credibility it has with the Jays organization. The people who've submitted to interviews and conversations have limited time/energy for such endeavours, and if the roster was a private cabal of sorts, just 10-20 buddies, they wouldn't be getting far with the organization. There are people above who say they've stopped coming here because of the way that the attitude has changed here.

I can certainly sympathize with the members of the Roster who feel that they were developing something different than what has evolved. Unfortunately, that's the price you pay to have a wide readership of something like this. Would people come here if there was just reading and no coversation? I'd be a lot less inclined myself. Unfortunately, the price of access is dealing with the rabble.

As such, the concerns of posters, particularly those who are longtime posters are valid. To a certain extent, this place is a democracy, because like a democracy, it derives it's legitimacy from the widespread support it enjoys. If everyone migrates to BJ's Place or Doc's Office, and all that's left is the Roster, I suspect that the Roster would see their access dry up. It'd be nothing personal, just the truth that with limited resources (time to discuss issues), you need to offer them a readership beyond just the privileged few who are members of the Roster.
Craig B - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 07:54 AM EST (#17857) #
I really do appreciate the comments coming from everyone. I am glad that people care about the site.

Believe me, our audience is very important to us, which is why we are careful to review the website's content. It is very, very difficult to be fair to everyone. You can't always please everyone - we just hope to have as few hurt feelings and damaged reputations as possible, which is our main reason for deleting comments (other than killing spam) on the rare occasion we do so.

As I said above, please do direct your comments to a roster member - I will be happy to hear them and take action.

Now let's please stop making Spencer sad, so he can write more AFL pieces, and get back to Seung Song.

Is Song the first-ever Korean player in the Jays organization? If so, how many countries does that make?
_Jabonoso - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 12:43 PM EST (#17858) #
Americans, Venezuelans, Dominicans, Porto Ricans, Canadians, Mexicans, Cubans, Chinese ( Taipei ) and now Korea. Have been others?
Mike Green - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 01:29 PM EST (#17859) #
There probably has been an Australian in the organization, but I can't think of him now. Caribbean nations other than DR, Puerto Rico and Cuba? I don't think so.
_Fozzy - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 01:33 PM EST (#17860) #
There probably has been an Australian in the organization

Luke Prokopec? or are you just counting minor leagues?
_Jabonoso - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 01:39 PM EST (#17861) #
Yes, at least two Aussies: Glenn Williams and Prokopec.
_Jabonoso - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 01:44 PM EST (#17862) #
There may be an European too...
_The Original Ry - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 01:45 PM EST (#17863) #
Graeme Lloyd is another one and Mike Nakamura should also qualify as an Australian.

With the Blue Jays sponsoring a team in Australia for a number of years, there have probably been several others.
_The Original Ry - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 01:46 PM EST (#17864) #
There may be an European too...

Danny Cox was born in England.
_Jabonoso - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 02:13 PM EST (#17865) #
Marvin Benard was born in Nicaragua! That makes 11 countries so far.
I suspect that there should be a Panamenian too...
Are you aware of that Evair?
_The Original Ry - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 02:17 PM EST (#17866) #
Jose Pett (who was sent to the Pirates in the Merced, et al. trade) was from Brazil.
_Ryan01 - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 02:25 PM EST (#17867) #
Diegomar Markwell is from Curacao of the Netherlands Antilles.
_Ryan01 - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 02:26 PM EST (#17868) #
... and Bruce Chen is from Panama
_Jabonoso - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 02:30 PM EST (#17869) #
14 countries. I guess we are the only team to have a Brazilean in the org.
And no Japanese yet... ( is that right? )
_Ryan01 - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 02:33 PM EST (#17870) #
Nakamura was born in Japan... so technically you could count him as Japanese instead of Australian.
_jab - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 02:38 PM EST (#17871) #
i meant " to have had a Braz "
apologies for my language limitations...
Mike Green - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 02:40 PM EST (#17872) #
That's very good, Ryan01. I knew Chen was from Panama, but had no idea that Markwell was from Curacao. It's funny because I did think of Andruw Jones when I posted about other Caribbean countries.
_Jonny German - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 02:42 PM EST (#17873) #
Fellas... you're missing both a prominent player from the glory days and a current prospect:

Devon White, Jamaica.

John Hattig, Guam.
_Ryan01 - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 02:49 PM EST (#17874) #
Thanks Mike. For those of you who don't know, Markwell is also the cousin of Andruw Jones.

While I'm not sure if the Guam bomb counts (it's technically a US territory, no?), how could we forget Devo?

One more, Brian Lesher is from Belgium.
_Jabonoso - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 02:57 PM EST (#17875) #
17 countries!
Yes forgetting about Devo was a big blackout...
Mike Green - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 03:08 PM EST (#17876) #
That Glenn Williams' name did not immediately come to my mind as an Australian Blue Jay minor leaguer is a disgrace, after doing minor league updates all season. Folks, don't put me on any Trivial Pursuit or Reach for the Top teams!
_Jabonoso - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 03:14 PM EST (#17877) #
He first was signed by the Braves as wonder boy from Australia. After six years in the low minors, they soured on him and the jays signed him ( i think it was an Ash signing ) he have been like 3 years in AA and AAA. Plays 3rd and some 2nd and has power ( leader in homers ) but little else...
_The Original Ry - Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 03:25 PM EST (#17878) #
Nom Siriveaw was born in Thailand, although he grew up in British Columbia.
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