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Paul D - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 09:53 PM EDT (#122727) #
Wednesday's with JP.

He says that there's no scenario in which they'd trade for someone who's going to be a free agent after this year. Doesn't rule out the possibility of resigning someone if they trade for them, but says he'd have to check on the rules abour resigning someone after a trade.
Paul D - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#122728) #
Koskie should be back in around two weeks.
They don't want to bring him back until he can play in the field.
Lefty - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#122729) #
Check the rules???
Paul D - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 10:41 PM EDT (#122731) #
Check the rules about the resigning window after a trade is what I got out of it. Sorry for not being clear.
Flex - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#122732) #
Yeah, I had to laugh at that too. Way to obfuscate, JP.

But folks'll be happy to know "somebody'll have to sit" when Koskie comes back, and it won't be Aaron Hill.
Tom L - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#122735) #
Just a little question. Does anyone know what numbers Kearns has put up since being sent down to AAA?
VBF - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 11:06 PM EDT (#122736) #
Due to a rained out baseball game, a last minute decision, and public transportation all the way from Oakville to Union station, I arrived at this game during the grand old seventh inning :(

I can't say this in any other better way other than I am really pleased with Ted Lilly. And check the archives because I never once doubted him.

However it was frustrating to be shut out by the Devilrays, and Casey Fossum. That's okay, that's baseball.

Thomas - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 11:08 PM EDT (#122737) #
Jays recalled Gaudin and DFA'd Justin Miller. Gaudin will pitch in relief.
Jonny German - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 11:13 PM EDT (#122738) #
Kearns is at .378 / .440 / .689 in 90 AB as a Louisville Bat.
Jonny German - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 11:15 PM EDT (#122740) #
Most everyone likes Justin Miller more than me, but that doesn't make any sense... why risk losing him like on waivers for the sake of having him around for a couple days?
Jacko - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 11:18 PM EDT (#122741) #
Kearns is at .378 / .440 / .689 in 90 AB as a Louisville Bat.

No offense to Burnett, but I'd rather have Kearns or Dunn.


Jonny German - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 11:19 PM EDT (#122742) #
But folks'll be happy to know "somebody'll have to sit" when Koskie comes back, and it won't be Aaron Hill.

Yes, the good was that he didn't take any of the opportunities he had to give Hinske a vote of confidence. The bad was that he said he hasn't had talks with the Marlins.

Curiously, he talked positively about Gross, including a pretty solid statement about Gabe being a part of the team's future. If Gross is seen as a valuable asset, why is he being yanked around?

Jdog - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 11:22 PM EDT (#122744) #
Burnett got rocked by the Phillies today!

I know he is a good proven pitcher...But we need a Bat wayyy more than pitching. As we saw today you cant win without scoring runs
Jonny German - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 11:23 PM EDT (#122745) #
Is there anybody that would rather have Burnett than Dunn? I doubt it. But you gotta consider the price... I like Burnett for a package centered on Chacin better than Dunn for a package centered on Hill & Rios.
Thomas - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 11:23 PM EDT (#122746) #
JG, my thoughts exactly.

I don't understand what's to be gained by this move. Did they really need a bullpen arm that badly in Texas? If so, why make it Miller as opposed to Gaudin, unless you are ready to cut bait on Miller entirely? Especially if you plan to bring up Gaudin so soon afterwards, as well.

I'm very puzzled.
Lefty - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 11:41 PM EDT (#122750) #
On a few occasions this year when Ricciardi has been asked about mulit-year deals for this player or that player he has responded by saying, and I paraphrase : "I can't very well sign a player to an extension that exceeds my contract with the team."

I wonder if this is just a way of dodging the question or if this is a core belief for him? Nobody thought it was coincedence when he did the Hinske, Wells and Halladay deals. He stated that as a factor in his choice of years alotted to each of those.

Now I wonder if this would be any kind of hang-up for him in trying to work a contract extension for a Dunn or Burnett or anybody else for that matter.

However, it is starting to sound rather unlikely that help is coming anytime soon.
Lefty - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 11:51 PM EDT (#122752) #
To Devil Rays

Two Jays Pitching prospects
One Marlin prospect

To Marlins


To Blue Jays

Wildrose - Thursday, July 14 2005 @ 11:54 PM EDT (#122753) #
I gotta say it , Rocket Rich Harden perfect game through seven against Texas!
Lefty - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 12:00 AM EDT (#122754) #
Why did you have to say it?

Is he on your closest competitors fantasy roster?

I know he's not on yours, nor mine; alas.
Mick Doherty - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 12:03 AM EDT (#122756) #
Thanks Wildrose -- I just ran to my TV in time to see Soriano break it up after 22 in a row.

Now let's see the Rangers get the touchdown they need!
Named For Hank - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 12:14 AM EDT (#122757) #
I know he's not on yours, nor mine; alas.

No, he's on mine. Bah! Damn you for breaking it up!

Wildrose - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 12:17 AM EDT (#122758) #
I said it because I want fellow bauxites to share in his brilliance....and yes I don't believe in silly myths.
Lefty - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 12:19 AM EDT (#122759) #
Oh sure.
Named For Hank - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 12:21 AM EDT (#122760) #
Not believing in something that you yourself just demonstrated is foolishness; as Philip K. Dick once said,
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away.
Wildrose - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 12:22 AM EDT (#122761) #
He's pretty good, sure hope he'll pitch for Canada come March, not sure whats in that Victoria water. Its a shame he's not a Jay. He and Perkins are former teamates and best friends apparently. I'd love to here the story how he got away.
Wildrose - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 12:28 AM EDT (#122762) #
Hmm... come to think of it I may have phoned a friend to turn on the T.V. to watch some of Dave Steib's late inning no hit bids...I must have unrealized powers.
Wildrose - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 12:39 AM EDT (#122763) #
The most amazing part of this perfect game bid was the sixth inning , with the Rangers at bat, Harden had to sit for 30 minutes as the Rangers had 2 rather lame injuries to a pitcher and then an outfielder. It was obvious Showalter was trying to upset Harden's rythym...and it didn't work as he needed only 11 pitches to get through the seventh.

I would not have bet it would have been Soriano to break it up, first time in his career I've ever seen him shorten his swing and take the ball the other way.
Waveburner - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 12:43 AM EDT (#122764) #
I seriously do not understand much of anything the Jays have done recently. DFA Miller after 1 freaking outing? What the hell was the point of that? Gaudin was ready for the bullpen months ago, I thought the whole point of AAA was for him to learn a 3rd pitch so he could be a starter? League has proven beyond any doubt at all that he is not ready for Major League baseball. So they keep him around? He's only 22! If they treat Rosario, McGowan, etc etc like this we are screwed. Plus the treatment of Gross.
VBF - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 01:07 AM EDT (#122767) #
Maybe there's reason to his madness.

Chacin pitches tomorrow.
Odd to announce roster moves in the dark of the night.
Gaudin can start is needed.
Something is building.
JayWay - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 01:16 AM EDT (#122769) #
Damn you VBF, now I'm never going to get to sleep.
Mick Doherty - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 02:12 AM EDT (#122771) #
Chacin pitches tomorrow.
Odd to announce roster moves in the dark of the night.
Gaudin can start is needed.
Something is building.

Hmmm ... ALMOST a haiku/senryu. Try this:

Chacin tomorrow
Roster moves in darkness? Odd.
Something is building.

There we go. Don't worry, I have a poetic license.
The_Game - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 02:19 AM EDT (#122773) #
I never thought of the Gaudin move like that, mmm....

But nah, big trades involving good players never happen to Toronto unless it involves the Leafs trading all of their prospects for a few months of Owen Nolan/Brian Leech.

Chacin will be starting tomorrow, and into the future as well.
Magpie - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 03:29 AM EDT (#122776) #
Trade talks heat up according to the Miami Herald (registration required:

The Blue Jays might be the most intriguing option because Burnett (5-5, 3.33) has made no secret of his desire to be reunited with former Marlins pitching coach Brad Arnsberg, now with Toronto. The Blue Jays are willing to deal closer Miguel Batista, a former Marlin, but he's owed more than $6 million on a contract that runs through 2006. Burnett will make about $1.8 million the rest of this season.

If Ricciardi hasn't talked to the Marlins, where did they get the idea that Toronto is willing to deal Batista?

Well, of course Ricciardi has talked to the Marlins. He might not have talked to them today...

NDG - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 07:55 AM EDT (#122779) #
You got to love a site where people get upset with the treatment of Justin Miller (I don't mean that sarcastically, I mean that in terms of we have great fans here.)

But stepping back a bit. Miller hasn't really proven anything at the MLB level, and he's getting old for prospect status. I'm sure JP is aware of the 40 man roster crunch coming (even if he's not a Bauxite), and there's no way Miller would have made it. I also don't think Miller has any trade value other than for a C level prospect, something they definately don't need any more of. So all in all, a 'meh' move.
Jim - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 08:12 AM EDT (#122782) #
"League has proven beyond any doubt at all that he is not ready for Major League baseball."

Justin Miller has more then proven the same thing. Outright him now or later, he's got zero chance of being on the 40 man roster this winter. It's no loss.
huckamaniac - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 08:28 AM EDT (#122783) #
I don't know if anyone caught 3 up, 3 down last night with Steve Phillips on Sportscentre but he made it sound like the Jays would be much better going after Adam Dunn than AJ Burnett. In his opinion AJ Burnett has number 1 starter stuff but pitches like a back of the rotation starter. To Phillips, Chacin is a good starter with a good era and winning record, and is also very cost effective. He said that with Dunn eligible for arbitration Cincinnatti is going to be unable to afford both Dunn and Griffey and Toronto has extra money spend. He also mentioned that Corey Koskie is now expendable with the emergence of Aaron Hill and could be used as possible trade bait.
Ryan Day - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 09:35 AM EDT (#122790) #
The Justin Miller move is just bizarre. He was brought up after Halladay was injured; why not just bring up Gaudin in the first place? Or keep Miller up and demote League - I'm not sure there's a huge difference between them right now (though League obviously has more long-term potential).

Miller's not going to be a superstar, but he looks like he could be a perfectly good reliever. Why throw him away?
Jordan - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#122825) #
I wonder if Miller sealed his fate with that terrible outing in Texas? It could simply be that JP watched him pitch, didn't see anything different from his previous efforts that made him believe Miller could retire major-league hitters, and dropped him.

I tend to agree with the sentiment that Miller has had his chances. The Jays aren't in a position to hold tryouts in the big leagues anymore. If he's claimed, then there goes one of the two players acquired for Billy Koch. How much longer will the other last?

Regarding JP's statements about "not signing players beyond my contact" -- I think that probably is principle. He suffered through years of Carlos Delgado's contract and spent much of his first several months on the job clearing the other bad deals off the deck. He may fundamentally believe it's not right to burden an organization with obligations that will last beyond your tenure. Too bad he doesn't work for the Treasury Department.

Gaudin probably impressed JP by reacting so well to his demotion -- he didn't skip a beat upon his return to Syracuse. Hopefully, this second visit will work out better than the first.

I trust Gaudin's going to relieve, becaue if he goes into the rotation, my question is: where's David Bush?
Thomas - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#122829) #
Well, if JP truly won't sign people beyond 2007 then we'll never land Burnett.
Gwyn - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#122847) #
The club has an option on Koskie for 2008 doesn't it? I think thats the only thing JP has done past 2007, he's going to have to change this policy soon, or 2008 isn't going to be much fun.
Mike Green - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#122860) #
There is a huge difference between a contract that extends 3 years into a new GM's mandate and one that goes a year into a new GM's mandate. The former is a potential burden; the latter a necessary anchor during a period of possible change. JP should feel no reluctance at all about having a player or two under contract for 2008.
Smaj - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#122864) #
Miller struggled in the BIGS despite some AAA success..there is no room for him in the organization.

There is a tremendous lobby effort for the promotion of David Bush, and I suggest that it may be premature. I do not profess to be an expert of analysis, thus I will defer to anyone as to what is so worthy in these numbers from AAA that warrant promotion?

D Bush 2 1 4.13 8 8 0 0 0 0 202 48.0 54 22 22 4 8 36 .283

The line is good but I would not consider it dominating. I expected dominance upon his demotion. Perhaps I am too critical here, given the alternatives. My understanding was that Bush's demotion to Syracuse was to get "straightened out & build up his confidence"...does this look like mission accomplished? Perhaps he is where he needs to be for his long term development.
Joe - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 05:18 PM EDT (#122872) #
My understanding was that Bush's demotion to Syracuse was to get "straightened out & build up his confidence"
J.P. has said on several occasions that Bush is looking better in his last few starts. Looking at cumulative numbers can't tell you what's happened recently - just look at Doc's 2000 line!) I expect he'll get a couple more starts in AAA, then get called up when the Jays need a fifth starter again.
uglyone - Friday, July 15 2005 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#122877) #
Correct me if I'm wrong....but hadn't Gaudin just started a day or two before those callups, and thus wouldn't have been able to pitch during that Texas series anyways?
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