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The Minnesota Twins have selected shortstop Royce Lewis from JSerra Catholic High School in San Juan Capistrano, California with the first overall pick. The Toronto Blue Jays select 22nd and 28th in the first round and 61st in the second round. You can follow the draft at MLB.com or click right here.


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1st round, 22nd overall. Logan Warmoth, SS, North Carolina. Bats Right, Throws Right. 5-foot-11, 165 pounds. Born September 6, 1995. (Slot value - $2.8 million)

MLB.com Scouting Report

Warmoth took over North Carolina's shortstop job a month into his freshman season and hasn't relinquished it. After a solid summer offensively and defensively in the Cape Cod League last summer, he has stepped up his game this spring and should be the first college middle infielder drafted. He has a good chance to go in the first round, which would make him the sixth Lake Brantley High (Altamonte Springs, Fla.) product to do so, following big leaguers Jason Varitek, Felipe Lopez, Rickie Weeks, Jemile Weeks and Nick Franklin. While Warmoth doesn't have a standout tool, he also doesn't have any obvious shortcomings. He's a gifted hitter who controls the strike zone, handles good velocity and uses the entire field. He started to show some power toward the end of his sophomore season, and has enough to hit 12-15 homers per season in the big leagues. Warmoth has solid speed and the savvy to use it on the basepaths. His instincts and quick hands help him make plays at shortstop, and he'll get the chance to play there as a pro. With average range and arm strength, he's probably better suited for second base. Video

Baseball America has this story on Warmoth.

Compared to Zach Cozart, J.J. Hardy and Brian Dozier by MLB Network Analysts.

Twitter Reaction

@JeffLongBP He has a killer swing, and I think he'll be solid defensively. Think Hardy but with a better hit tool maybe a touch less power. @BProToronto

@KeeganMatheson It's possible Warmoth stays at SS. Not flashy, but solid. A little Devon Travis, a little Cavan Biggio (from #BlueJays 2016 Draft) in there.

@Sportsnet Logan Warmoth is the first #BlueJays pick from UNC taken in the 1st round of the MLB Draft since Russ Adams in 2002.

Danny Graves @dgravy32 Congrats to my man @loganwarmoth drafted 22nd overall! Great player and great family! This kid will be in @MLB for years to come! @BlueJays



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1st round, 28th overall. Nate Pearson, RHP, College of Central Florida. 6-foot-6, 240 pounds. Born August 20, 1996. (Slot Value - $2.3 million)

MLB.com Scouting Report

It's a good year for hard-throwing pitchers in the Florida junior college ranks, with a few who have the chance to go in the top three rounds. Pearson put up video-game type numbers at Central Florida this spring, raising his Draft profile in the process, then created a huge amount of buzz by hitting triple digits consistently in a bullpen session in late May. There is no question about the quality of Pearson's fastball coming from his 6-foot-6 frame. He was consistently up to 97 mph all spring and has shown an ability to throw strikes with it as well. His secondary stuff, however, has been inconsistent. He throws both a slider and a curve, though the latter is his fourth pitch, and on some days he has two distinct, effective breaking balls. At other times, they run together, and it might serve him well to focus on just one at the next level. His changeup has improved, but it also comes and goes. There is an injury history with Pearson -- he had a screw put in his right elbow in high school -- but he's been nothing but healthy and durable in junior college. There's some debate over whether his future lies in the rotation or out of the bullpen, where his stuff would play up, but there's bound to be a team that believes he can start that will take him in the early rounds. Video.


Baseball America had this story on Pearson in April.


Twitter Reaction

Scott Mitchell @ScottyMitchTSN Baseball America had Warmoth ranked 19th overall and Pearson at 13th overall on their top 500 coming into the night. #BlueJays

@KeeganMatheson Pearson as SP would be big for #BlueJays, but given market rate of RPs, teams are open to fast-tracking RP arms. Interested to see #BlueJays

@ShiDavidi Nate Pearson is 6-6, 245, Baseball America says he pitched at 93-94 and touched 97 in most of his starts. #BlueJays

Josh Norris @jnorris427 The #BlueJays selected Nate Pearson, who recently threw 102 mph in a bullpen session. Video.



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2nd round, 61st overall. Hagen Danner, RHP/C, Huntington Beach High School. Bats Right, Throws Right. 6-foot-2, 195 pounds. Born September 30, 1998.

Known since starring in the 2011 Little League World Series, Danner is one of the better legitimate two-way players in this Draft class. The scouting industry is still split down the middle on whether he'd be better suited on the mound or behind the plate at the next level. Danner has spent more time, especially in showcases, showing what he can do as a pitcher. He has a live fastball that can touch 94-95 mph and complements it with a solid curveball and a changeup that flashes above-average. He can fill the strike zone with all three, coming from a high slot. The UCLA commit also has the chance to a special catcher. He has good hands and a plus arm defensively and while he's a below-average runner, his athleticism helps him move well behind the dish. He swings the bat well from a crouch set up, with quiet pop that could end up being average power in the future. The one thing scouts agree on is that Danner's grades will improve once he starts to focus on one craft. But even as the spring unfolded, there was division among scouts whether he should stay on the mound or behind the plate at the next level. Video


Twitter Reaction

Eric Longenhagen‏ @longenhagen Hagen Danner has plus raw, needs reps to be viable backstop but I think he has a chance. I had him in as a C.

@NathanRode On the bump, Hagen Danner has plus fastball, plus curveball. #BlueJays

@NathanRode Not a bad idea giving Hagen Danner a shot with the bat. He's got power and could be C or 3B. Fallback to mound if it doesn't work. #BlueJays

JJ Cooper‏ @jjcoop36 Blue Jays take Hagen Danner at 61 as a C. Was a true 2-way guy who could have gone either way. Ranked 61 on #BA500.

Kyle Glaser‏ @KyleAGlaser Hagen Danner goes as a catcher. One of the mysteries of the draft was if he'd go as a pitcher or catcher. #BlueJays make the call.

Brian Sakowski‏ @B_Sakowski_PG #Jays going with Hagen Danner, prefer him on the mound, advanced curveball.
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hypobole - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 07:20 PM EDT (#343343) #
Going on record as being a Warmoth fan.
PeterG - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#343344) #
BA has Warmoth going to Mets at 20. BA has 1st 4 right.

We will not be able to judge Jays picks in isolation. We need to see the entire draft and signings so it will really be mid July before the complete story (for 2017) will be told. It is still interesting to discuss however.
PeterG - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 07:41 PM EDT (#343345) #
and BA misses on #5. There is no way to accurately predict who Jays will pick. Is info that gets out real or is it a smokescreen?
jerjapan - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 07:48 PM EDT (#343346) #
Great read on the Moneyball draft at Vice Sports for anyone looking to fill the time before / between Jay's picks:

https://sports.vice.com/en_ca/article/an-experiment-that-changed-baseball-the-moneyball-draft-15-years-later

CeeBee - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 07:56 PM EDT (#343347) #
Takes a long time to get to #22, doesn't it.
PeterG - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 08:18 PM EDT (#343355) #
Burger at 11. BA had him at 24.
James W - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 08:19 PM EDT (#343357) #
Each team gets 4 minutes to pick. It's taken about 74 minutes for 11 picks. You do the math.
PeterG - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 08:57 PM EDT (#343362) #
Good to see White off the board. Would anyone take Peterson if he is still there at 22?
Shoeless Joe - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#343364) #
Peterson seems to lack upside to me with an ok fastball and no third pitch.

Through my informal analysis I likes Tanner Hock and Hiura. Honestly even Nick Allen for the 2nd 1st round pick would build some middle infield depth.
bpoz - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#343365) #
This is exciting. I have a beer. Cheers!!!

Someone mentioned that the draft is a crap shoot. I have dice. I am ready to roll. #22 and # 28. Also 2nd round.
Shoeless Joe - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 09:19 PM EDT (#343366) #
If Sam Carlson is available still after the O's pick I'd like him as well.
PeterG - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#343367) #
I too like Carlson. Jays can have him, Pearson or Warmoth.....will it be one of them or ?

O'Dowd didn't like Peterson either.
Mike Green - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#343368) #
In answer to the question, I would have taken Peterson if he were available.  But he's not.
PeterG - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#343369) #
Warmoth was not my first choice but among those I like. Make up is important to Jays and apparently he scores high in that respect. Maybe we can get Pearson or Carlson at 28.
scottt - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#343370) #
 There is no way to accurately predict who Jays will pick.

Warmoth.
PeterG - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#343371) #
Nice to know others are watching. I don't imagine there will be any discount for Warmoth. They may go for that at 28 but if so, I hope it is not Sheets but rather Pearson or Tristan Beck.
Shoeless Joe - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#343372) #
Its been 14 years since we took a solid all around college middle infielder in the first round. Hopefully Warmouth turns out as well as Aaron Hill and not more like Russ Adams. At the very least the minor league system needed middle infield depth.
bpoz - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#343373) #
I hope Warmoth is the next Bo Bichette. That would be be great.
uglyone - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#343374) #
do not love the warmoth pick unless he's a legit plus glove at SS.
PeterG - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#343375) #
I think Warmoth will go to Vancouver although they may play him a few days in Gulf Coast while papers being processed.
Shoeless Joe - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#343376) #
I am encouraged by Warmouth's strong showing in the cape code league last summer. I put a lot of stock in his performance with a wooden bat, where he showed good contact ability and surprising power.
sam - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 09:58 PM EDT (#343377) #
I tend to agree with uglyone. I don't quite get drafting average tools. We play in a division defined by plus-plus tools and an ability to takeover a game on their own. I think we've sort of seen that these past couple post seasons where those plus-plus pitches/tools are what work in the playoffs.

The wooden bat thing is less of concern--these guys will have been playing with wood since they were 14.
uglyone - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#343378) #
love the pearson pick. beauty.
Shoeless Joe - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#343379) #
They just drafted a plus plus tool in Pearson's fastball
PeterG - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#343380) #
Talking heads on MLB Network think Pearson should go straight to pen where he can have an impact quickly. They see it as less injury risk as well being that he throws so hard.
sam - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 10:04 PM EDT (#343381) #
I like the Pearson pick. I mean, I don't know if you draft a guy like him if you only had one first round pick.

I haven't looked at the guys in the draft that closely, but the organization has a bit of velocity void in my opinion and getting more 95 in the system was a good idea.
PeterG - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#343382) #
Combining a safe pick with a riskier one is an accepted strategy when you have two picks. I am happy with the combination and look forward to what is in store next.
uglyone - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#343383) #
i think you have to give him a chance to develop his secondary stuff. it's apparently shown enough promise.
ayjackson - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#343384) #
Not sure the first round could have gone much better, given some of the uninspiring talent linked to us in the run up.
Mike Green - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 10:09 PM EDT (#343385) #
I'm OK with these picks.  Not wildly enthusiastic as with Stroman, nor unhappy as with Deck McGuire. 
uglyone - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#343386) #
I dunno i don't see a 20yr old physical beast with great command of a 100mph heater all that risky tbh.
PeterG - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 10:19 PM EDT (#343387) #
Part of the risk may be due to the fact that he has a screw in his elbow. If he was a safer pick, he would have been gone before 28 but that said, I like the pick.
uglyone - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 10:23 PM EDT (#343388) #
eh. draft order isn't everything. for me his profile should have had him picked much higher.
hypobole - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 10:40 PM EDT (#343389) #
"a 20yr old physical beast with great command of a 100mph heater"


Huh? His heater is 97. Yeah he threw 100 in a bullpen.

And "ability to throw strikes" becomes great command.

And I like the pick.




PeterG - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#343390) #
I see a college catcher as one of picks 2-5. It would not surprise me if it is in 2nd round.
uglyone - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 10:44 PM EDT (#343391) #
actually he hit 103 in that bullpen. and yes he doesn't walk anyone, either.
Nigel - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 10:45 PM EDT (#343392) #
Warmouth's scouting report is almost identical to that of Russ Adams before his draft, right down to questions about his ability to play SS.
PeterG - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 11:20 PM EDT (#343393) #
Except that Adams was lazy while Warmoth is not and apparently buys into the Jays high performance program.

Well I had the catcher part right.....a bit surprised it was a HS one.

I look for a barrage of college pitchers tomorrow.
bpoz - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 11:38 PM EDT (#343395) #
H Danner also has a shot at being a pitcher.
uglyone - Monday, June 12 2017 @ 11:47 PM EDT (#343396) #
jays scouting director says:

1) very confident warmoth sticks at SS.
2) pearson gets to start
3) danner is a C
stevieboy22 - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 12:08 AM EDT (#343397) #
"Except that Adams was lazy while Warmoth is not and apparently buys into the Jays high performance program."

I have never read/heard that Adams was lazy before.
ayjackson - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 12:11 AM EDT (#343398) #
He looked lazy. Would hit lazy home runs. And had a lazy gait.
ayjackson - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 12:19 AM EDT (#343399) #
aghh. meant lazy fly balls. blah. take away my baseball.
jerjapan - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 12:20 AM EDT (#343400) #
I'm interested thus far in our picks, no immediate problems, no immediate HRs.  I can't offer the insight some of you guys have in these specific players, but I do have a few thoughts.  Warmoth does seem like a JPR pick, but two riskier picks to follow feels AA.  I agree with PeterG that the mix of safety and upside is a good one.  I also agree that fastracking Pearson as a reliever could be a good approach, despite what the scouting director said.  I like the immediate impact that Osuna had, as an example.  Zach Jackson comes to mind. 

The Danner pick is most interesting to me, with the debate around his position. 

Some great insight and predictions in this thread, thanks to the crew dropping the draft knowledge. 


hypobole - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 01:06 AM EDT (#343401) #
Frankie Piliere: #BlueJays take Logan Warmoth. He's going to get to the bigs quickly, easy shortstop actions and big time bat speed. Really like this pick

Christopher Crawford: Warmoth is an excellent pick for the Blue Jays. Should move quickly through the system

Keith Law: Warmoth had one of my favorite swings in the draft class, and I like his chances to stay at shortstop in the majors. It's a simple, direct swing from the right side that produces surprising power and he runs well enough to add value on the bases. I ranked him in the top ten in the class

scottt - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 04:51 AM EDT (#343403) #
So, a shortstop who could move to 2b, a starter who could move to the pen and a catcher who could move to the mount.
Interesting draft so far.

lexomatic - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 06:09 AM EDT (#343405) #
If Warmoth isn't good enough defensively why compare him to 2 good ones in Hardy and Cozart.
If it's an offensive comparison why throw in Dozier who has twice the power and 5 times the base stealing ability of the others.
Just lazy and confusing.

scottt - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 07:36 AM EDT (#343406) #
Power is often something that comes later.  Average range and arm speed,  but with good instincts and quick hand.
Eh, it's a crapshoot.

John Northey - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 07:58 AM EDT (#343407) #
Really at this point all we know is what the evaluators tell us as I doubt anyone here has watched more than a handful of college games or high school games, let alone enough to tell who is better than who.

Warmoth: ranked #25 by BA, drafted #22 by the Jays - so about where he should be, mild overdraft

Nate Pearson: ranked #30, drafted #28 by the Jays - against a mild overdraft but reasonable.

Hagen Danner: ranked #45, drafted #61 by the Jays - nice getting someone who was ranked 16 slots higher than the Jays draft position.

So by draft rank vs where the Jays got them the Jays are -3-2+16 = +11 slots thus a solid draft thanks to Danner and also the other 2 being close to the 'right' position based on BA rankings. Russ Adams makes us all nervous about Warmoth but Pearson sounds like a guy who could be a #1 with that size and power (or a guy who blows his arm out later this year). Danner is the wild card as he can catch or pitch.
Thomas - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 08:25 AM EDT (#343408) #
Most analysts I read seemed to suggest Warmoth has a good chance to stay at SS. I must admit, I don't really see the Hardy comparable, if Warmoth is not certain to stick or at least isn't going to be the plus defender Hardy was.

There was a short video floating around last night of Pearson's family and friends reacting to hearing his name called. One of the guys in the background had a Jays jersey on. Clearly he had read the reports linking Toronto to Pearson.

It's going to be interesting watching how Tampa handles Brendan McKay, as they appear willing to let him pitch and play the field, at least initially.
hypobole - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 08:51 AM EDT (#343409) #
Keith Law in his "My favourite Picks:
Warmoth had my favorite swing in the draft, and I believe he stays at shortstop in the long term, so the big question on him is whether his pretty swing will produce enough hard contact to make him a good regular or even a star. He's quite athletic, an above-average runner with good actions on both sides of the ball, and I think he can still get a little stronger going forward. So there's a high floor of him being a good utility infielder, with a very good chance that he ends up a regular or more. That's great value at pick No. 22. They backed it up with Nate Pearson, a 6-foot-6 junior college right-hander who hit 101 mph in a workout for scouts on Memorial Day, but who has pitched more in the mid-90s and is still in search of an average secondary pitch; he could move quickly as a reliever, or they could treat him like a high school arm and slow-track him as a starter.


Mike Green - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 09:02 AM EDT (#343410) #
Casual observation: Warmoth has a stronger arm than Russ Moore Adams ("arm assures doom" per Alex Obal in our anagram contest) and a weaker arm than J.J. Hardy.  An average strength arm, release, quick first step, good athleticism and hands can add up to a plus defensive shortstop if not a Hardy clone. 

Adams was a much more impressive hitter at UNC- I believed that he had a much better chance at a good major league career as a LF/leadoff hitter type and that his struggles defensively impeded the full development of his offensive potential.
Magpie - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 09:04 AM EDT (#343411) #
Russ Adams makes us all nervous about Warmoth

One obvious difference is that Adams wasn't a shortstop when he was drafted. He played mostly 2b (and 3b) at UNC. It was the Blue Jays brain trust (I use the term loosely) that decided to make him into a shortstop, abruptly pulled the plug on that idea two months into his sophomore season, and jerked him around from that day forward. I don't expect a repeat of that nonsense, although you never know.
AWeb - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 09:17 AM EDT (#343412) #
I think the lack of two-way players is almost entirely industry inertia, and less related to player ability. For pitchers, there is an extremely limited amount of peak throwing they can do, and while working on new grips and mechanics is important, itís not exactly a full-time (i.e., 8-10 hours a day) job every day of the week. Especially for pitchers who rely on catchers/managers to call the games for them.

The same goes for hitting Ė yes, there is a lot to be gained for some hitters by intense video study and practice, but not for all. And physically, few hitters spend multiple hours every day swinging at full game speed. Hitting skill seems to flush out pretty quickly for most players too Ė not many guys start out with multiple bad hitting years in the minors and ever put it together to be above average in the majors. So not a ton of developmental time for full-time pitching would be lost (young guys donít get to throw tons of innings anyway).

Multiple position players convert to pitching every year (majors and minors, hi 2017 Anthony Gose!), so itís not like the physical skills developed while playing a position make pitching impossible. If you have the arm for it, high level pitching experience seems to be basically optional for at least bullpen guys. A few teams are already trying to figure out how to get another reliever and position player at the end of the bench/bullpen out of one roster spot. Why not actually try to develop one from the start?

It would take a special talent, but I think itís is quite plausible that a player could be a full-time pitcher and position player, and be above average at both (which would make this imaginary player all-star-level by WAR measures). Injury risk is comically high for pitchers already, so it would be a bit higher since position players get hurt too. I would think wearing proper hand protection while batting and base-running would be the main controllable concern.
pubster - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 10:16 AM EDT (#343414) #
I feel like Warmoth has a much better face than Russ Adams.

Anybody have any insight to his face?
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 10:40 AM EDT (#343416) #
Oh yes, the good face!  It always seemed to be a kind of, um, white thing.  Anyways, Warmoth was born in Orlando and majored in sports administration at UNC.  I am sure that he is dedicated to his craft, as were/are  Russ Adams, Aaron Hill, Deck McGuire, Chad Jenkins and Marcus Stroman. 

It would be cool if he ended up playing shortstop behind Stroman one day, what with the Duke/UNC rivalry.

SK in NJ - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 10:52 AM EDT (#343419) #
I don't see an issue with the Warmoth pick. Based on what I've read on him, he seems like a player with a high floor + some upside sprinkled in, especially if he can stick at short. If he can't stick at short, then it hurts him a bit, but by many accounts it looks like he should be able to.
85bluejay - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 10:58 AM EDT (#343421) #
I have a beef with the Jays website - most teams have that easy to use Draft results list that you can quickly review previous drafts and click on prospect name to get stats - makes it easy to review and compare years - the jays Draft result now switches to mlb draft site which is not friendly to reviewing previous years and performances - I guess it's a money saving move but I find it very fan unfriendly - does anyone have a better option, I'd appreciate it.
85bluejay - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 11:12 AM EDT (#343423) #
I will be optimistic and could see the following infield in about 4 years:

C- Jansen
1b - vlad
2b - warmoth
ss- 1 of Urena/Gudino/Vicuna (I'm lowest on Urena)
3b - Bichette

of course, these projections never workout but it's fun.
bpoz - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 11:20 AM EDT (#343424) #
The solution for 85bluejay is to click roster and then transactions. On the right side of the screen are some choices. Click draft results. That works.
Richard S.S. - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 11:37 AM EDT (#343426) #
At some time in the future possibly 2020, or even sooner, the Jays will need their next Shortstop. Drafting one of the best Shortstops in the Draft with the Jay's 1st pick says a lot about who's in the system. People who earn a living at it say Logan Warmoth is a very good SS, who will stick his position, and move fast. What's not to like?

Drafting a big power arm, who could come fast is always an asset. Not everyone can pitch effectively in the upper 90s, so everyone who can is in big demand. Nate Pearson will be a Starter in the Jays' System until he's needed more in the Bullpen. It's really that simple.

Catcher are voodoo. Getting the right one is never very easy. Hagen Danner might be a better pitcher than a Catcher. The Jays' Brain Trust thinks differently. He has a strong arm and an ability to catch. This just might be the combination to succeed. If so, he could come fast.
85bluejay - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 11:51 AM EDT (#343428) #
Thank you bpoz - much appreciated
PeterG - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 11:57 AM EDT (#343429) #
Hudson Belinsky of Baseball America discussed the Jays draft so far on Fan590. He said their night was outstanding and that they must be thrilled with the results.
hypobole - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 12:12 PM EDT (#343430) #
"Hagen Danner might be a better pitcher than a Catcher. The Jays' Brain Trust thinks differently."

Not necessarily. This has been mentioned earlier, but failed position players have transitioned to pitching much more effectively than vice versa. Unless the pitching upside/probability of success is far greater, it makes sense to to start as a catcher.
pubster - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#343443) #
"I will be optimistic and could see the following infield in about 4 years:

C- Jansen
1b - vlad
2b - warmoth
ss- 1 of Urena/Gudino/Vicuna (I'm lowest on Urena)
3b - Bichette"

If that's the infield in 4 years I think the Jays are going to be in trouble!
soupman - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#343463) #
Count me in the camp that doesn't understand how a first rounder with questionable contact ability can in anyway be called a "safe" pick. I like how quiet his swing is, but if he can't see the ball I'm curious what makes them think they can teach that all of a sudden since neither this team, not Cleveland has been particularly good at that the last two decades.
hypobole - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 06:12 PM EDT (#343470) #
Baseball cube Rates Warmoth's contact as 88. Is that really questionable?

Agree he's not a safe pick. At 22 in a mediocre draft, no pick would be safe. In fact, since Biggio was picked 22 back in 1988, there have been only 6 players with even 10 career WAR, though Stroman and possibly Wong should get there.
soupman - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 06:34 PM EDT (#343471) #
you're right that it basically is meaningless to think about at this point - it's a late round pick. i guess i just prefer elite tools over jack of all trades kids. also re: contact - i'd rather trust the judgement of people that do this professionally than #s from a spreadsheet.
vw_fan17 - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 07:33 PM EDT (#343482) #
Unless the pitching upside/probability of success is far greater, it makes sense to to start as a catcher.

Good point. OTOH, the possibilities are endless if he can keep the hit tool going but become a decent starter: 4 days out of 5 pinch-hitter/pinch-runner without taking up a spot on the bench.. Especially if you need to hit for the catcher..
hypobole - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 07:40 PM EDT (#343485) #
Who are these professionals questioning his contact?

soupman - Tuesday, June 13 2017 @ 09:25 PM EDT (#343492) #
pretty sure that was the chatter on the mlb.com coverage (questionable contact). whether you want to take their (and BA's) word for it or not...beats me. could have just been harold riffing.
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