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The Jays affiliates had a tough night, all of them lost, other than Bluefield who had to go to extra innings to win and Dunedin who were rained out. In addition to the game reports, I looked at the progress of the high school hitters the Jays have drafted in the last ten years.

There was some discussion in these parts recently about how the Jays are very conservative when it comes to promoting some of their young position prospects. Samad Taylor is a 19 year old in Lansing but most of the other position players are at least 20 years old. Players like McGregory Contreras, Luis De Los Santos and Otto Lopez did not get assigned to Lansing as some thought they might have. That discussion brought to mind young hitters of the past and how they were handled by the organization. So I decided to do some research.


I looked at the draft record of the Blue Jays from 2007 through 2014 and specifically hitters drafted from high schools in the first five rounds of the draft. This represented my sample, young players coming into the system, and all of them should have a reasonable expectation of success. In total I looked at 17 hitters and the track record for the Jays is poor.


2007 started a new approach for the Jays, they drafted Kevin Ahrens, Justin Jackson, John Tolisano and eric Eiland in the first two rounds (including bonus picks). The first three of these players spent a half year in the GCL and then were sent to Lansing at age 19. None of them played particularly well in Lansing, they had OPS's in the 660 to 700 range but all were sent to Dunedin for their age 20 season where they flopped. Eiland was more of a prospect so he was held back but he never really hit. If there was a lesson to be learned from this progression it didn't happen.

In 2008 the Jays drafted Kenny Wilson in the second round and Tyler Pastornicky in the fifth. Wilson too went to Lansing at age 19 where he didn't hit. He went back the next season and didn't do much better. To be fair to Wilson he started to hit better at age 22 and eventually made it to AAA. He is still in baseball moving between AA and AAA in the Tigers system. Pastornicky was perhaps better prepared as I recall his father was a baseball coach. He also went to lansing at age 19 where he was more successful, hitting .270 there. He moved up to Dunedin where he was hitting .250 and then was traded. Pastornicky hit better in his age 21 season and earned a major league promotion in 2012 when he was 22. To this point he is the most succesful draftee, until the next year.

Jake Marisnick was a third round pick on the Jays in 2009. He hit well in the GCL and was promoted to Lansing where he hit .220 in 127 at-bats. Marisnick was older when he was drafted and was 19 in that season. He returned to lansing for his age 20 season where he hit .320. From there he progressed through the Blue Jays, Miami and Houston systems to get to the major leagues. To spoil the rest of the story, Marisnick is the most succesful high school hitter drafted by the jays between 2007 and 2014.

The Jays selected three high school hitters in 2010, Kellen Sweeney in the second round, Chris Hawkins in the third and Dickie Jo Thon in the fifth. By this time Bluefield was an affiliate and all three went there for their first full season. Sweeney was injured a lot and never hit. Hawkins started well but faded quickly. Thon didn't hit in Bluefield but played better in vancouver at age 21 and in Lansing as age 22 but his performances declined thereafter.

Jake Anderson and Dwight Smith Jr. came in 2011. Anderson, like Sweeney, was injured and never hit. Smith has moved up well, like Pastornicky he comes from a baseball background. Smith went to Bluefield and Vancouver at age 19, played well in Lansing at age 20 and Dunedin at age 21 before taking a few years to get his leasure of New Hampshire.

In 2012 the Jays added DJ Davis, Mitch Nay and Anthony Alford. Alford is a special case, he was drafted as a 17 year old, and he didn't get meaningful at-bats until he was 20. Alford hit well as a 20 year old, not so good at age 21, before picking it up again at age 22. Davis was also drafted at 17 but he too never really hit. Nay was drafted but didn't play until the next year when he hit well in Bluefield and OK the next year in Lansing before a series of injuries took their toll.

The Jays went all pitchers in the early rounds of the 2013 draft before picking Matt Morgan in the fourth round and Lane Thomas in the fifth round of 2014. Morgan never hit ans was just released. Thomas went to Vancouver as a 19 year old but didn't hit, went to Lansing as a 20 year old and didn't hit but was better than the previous year, went to Dunedin at age 21 and improved a little and is now in AA with the Cardinals and having one of his best seasons. In 2015 the Jays did not draft a high school hitter until the sixth round, it was JC Cardenas.


Are there any conclusions to be drawn from all of this? First the sample size here is small so any conclusions are more anecdotal than proven. Also it is hard to know how much is bad drafting versus poor development. The first conclusion is that for whatever reason the Blue Jays have done a terrible job in drafting and/or developing high school hitters. Only three of 27 players drafted have reached the major leagues and only Jake Marisnick has received significant at-bats. The second thing I noted is that most of these players, particularly the unsuccessful ones, never really hit. They were busts from the start. However there are some players who started hitting at age 21 or 22 so young hitters should not be written-off until they have played a few yars. I would also suggest that it was tough love to send 19 year olds, not with superstar potential, to Lansing at age 19. It should be noted here that players with a baseball pedigree, Dwight Smith, Tyler Pastornicky, Vlad Jr. and Bo Bichette, appear to be able to handle promotion earlier than others. Of course it could be because they are better hitters.


The Jays new go-slow policy for younger hitters might be a re-evaluation of the previous strategy. Move the players under 21 up slowly, allow them to have success, let them become better hitters before letting the better pitchers get to them. If the player develops more self-belief, they might be able to work through a setback. If they haven't had success that self-belief might not be there. Sons of major league players and coaches have seen this first hand and understand it better than those with no such experience. Maybe this new method will be a better approach. It can't be worse than what preceded it.




Buffalo

The Bisons lost 4-2. They had to face a rehabbing Masahiro Tanaka who went five innings. The Bisons scored the two runs right away, Roemon Fields led off with a single and then Richard Urena went deep to make it a 2-0 game. The Bisons only had three hits the rest of the way. Danny Jansen was 0-4 and has been in a slump since he had to take a break with a bruised hand.

Matt Tracey made his first non-rehab start of the year and pitched well. He only had one single hit off of him in five innings. Jose Fernandez followed Tracey and was hit around for four runs on six hits.


New Hampshire

New Hampshire, like Buffalo, scored early and were up 3-0 in the first inning. Jon Berti was hit by a pitch, Connor Panas tripled to drive him in and after a walk the other two runs scored on a double error by Reading. That was about it for the offense, after the triple the Cats could only add four singles in the other eight innings. Bo Bichette was 0-4 and his average is down to .270.

Like Buffalo, New Hampshire had good starting pitching but the bullpen took the loss. Justin Dillon went six innings and left with a 3-2 lead. Zach Jackson allowed two runs turning a 3-2 lead into a 4-3 deficit. He was followed by Dusty Isaacs who made it a 5-3 game. If you missed it Jon Harris is back in New Hampshire.


Dunedin

Dunedin were rained out on the 4th of July. It's Florida so they will have many other nice days.


Lansing

Lansing lost 7-3. The Lugnuts had seven hits, Chavez Young had three of them, going 3-4. Young was a home run short of the cycle. His average is back up to .293. Jesus Navarro, who has never hit so far in his minor league career, had a hit and is hitting .320 in a very small sample in Lansing.

Maverik Buffo has been inconsistent this season. He did get through six innings but he gave up five runs on eleven hits.


Vancouver

The C's lost 4-3. Tanner Kirwer led the offense. He singled in the third inning and although he was erased on a force out, the runner on the back end scored when Vinny Capra singled. Kirwer added a two run home run later, his first of the season. Kirwer also doubled and finished 3-4, a triple shy of the cycle. Jake Brodt was 2-4, the other hitter with a multi hit game. Griffin Conine struck out three times.

Jose Espada pitched well through five innings with just one run allowed. But a lead off walk in the sixth was followed by a single and a double and he was pulled. All those runners came around to score leaving his final line as 5 6 4 4 2 6. Dane Johnson's son Cobi Johnson came on in relief. A wild pitch and a single let Espada's runners score but then he did not allow a hit the rest of the way. He pitched three good innings.


Bluefield

Bluefield had a very non-Bluefield game. The game was zero, zero after nine innings and the Jays had only three hits. In the tenth, with a runner on second, Cal Stevenson walked. Luis De Los Santos came up with the big hit to drive in the first run. Alejandro Kirk added a sac fly to make it 2-0, the final score. De Los Santos had two of the four hits and is hitting .308.

Claudio Galva pitched five shutout innings, three hits, seven K's. Grant Townsend, Mike Pascoe and Sean Rackoski pitched the last five shutout innings.


GCL Jays

The GCL Jays lost 4-2. The first three hitters of the game singled, scoring a run, and from there they had just two more hits. Jordan Groshans singled in the first run and drove in the second run with a ground out. Groshans is hitting .389. The other two .300 hitters in the lineup Leonardo Jimenez, .303, and Gabe Moreno, .364, also picked up a hit each.

Graham Spraker was the rehab starter and took the loss. Relievers, Luis Alvarez, 18 years old, and Juan Diaz, 20 years old, pitched better than Spraker.


DSL Jays

The DSL Jays lost 8-7. The DSL lineup is one of opposites. Three hitters are hitting over .300, one close to .300 and five are hitting under .210. The top four are Miguel Hiraldo who was 1-5. Jhon Solarte was 0-5 and now is hitting .318. Erickvi Celedonio went 1-4. We haven't previously highlighted the 17 year old Mexican Jose Zepeda. Zepeda was 1-3 and is hitting .313. He missed three weeks in June so has fewer at-bats than the others. The Jays used five pitchers, Brayan Mejia was the best with 2.1 shutout innings.


3 Stars

3rd star: Claudia Galva

2nd star: Tanner Kirwer

1st star: Luis De Los Santos


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Mike Green - Thursday, July 05 2018 @ 10:00 AM EDT (#361275) #
Interesting insights, Gerry.  We'll see how the club handles Bichette, who is encountering his first difficulties (struggles would be too strong).  They have Gurriel Jr. and Diaz, so there isn't a rush. 

Bluefield is 13-2.  No other club in the Appalachian League is better than 8-6.  It's kind of funny that Pardinho is 1-2, despite being easily the best pitcher in the league so far. 
hypobole - Thursday, July 05 2018 @ 10:59 AM EDT (#361278) #
Thanks for the post, Gerry. I would also add kids drafted in the lower rounds who got 2nd/3rd/4th round bonuses - of those Rowdy and maybe Christian Lopes have been the most successful, though both may stall out at AAA. Matt Dean is playing Indy ball.

A lot of those kids were athletic and toolsy, with the hit tool the most lacking. One nitpik - it was Jake, not Tyler Anderson in 2011.
Gerry - Thursday, July 05 2018 @ 11:21 AM EDT (#361279) #
Fixed, thanks
Gerry - Thursday, July 05 2018 @ 11:30 AM EDT (#361280) #
Due to the pitching injuries the Bisons have signed former Blue Jay Zach Stewart and also Brandon Cumpton. This goes with the recent news that Al Alburqurque was released and Jon Harris sent back to AA.
jerjapan - Thursday, July 05 2018 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#361281) #
Fun read Gerry, and a pretty clear articulation of how difficult it is to evaluate something like player development and drafting.  I have argued on and off that the team was more unlucky that poor at developing players, but if Jake Marisnick is the best of the bunch, I might need to re-appraise...

I do love guys like Kenny Wilson - who has 3618 milb ABs without a taste of the bigs, and was just released, and Zach Stewart, 11 years into a pro career and without a callup since 2012.  He is coming off a nice little run of starts with the New Britain Bees, including a CG 3 hitter... although I really don't have a good sense of the level of competition represented in indie ball ...  the Bees are in the Atlantic league, which is seemingly the strongest indie league, with plenty of recognizable names on the rosters .... between AA and AAA?

Regardless, the perseverance is inspiring.  Rhiner Cruz, I hope you stick with the big league club for a bit - auspicious outing for his first in the bigs since 2013.  Cumpton looks like another resilient type - looks like he spent over 2 years rehabbing between spring training 2015 and last season with a torn UCL and a tommy John to recover from. 
John Northey - Thursday, July 05 2018 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#361282) #
For fun lets check Cleveland (since our president/GM are from there) for the same period (very quick check)

2007: None until round 6 (didn't reach), then round 15.
2008: No high school hitters drafted round 1-23 - first was in round 25
2009: first pick was round 41 (Max Muncy who didn't sign)
2010: Tony Wolters picked round 3 - lost on waivers to Colorado 0.4 WAR lifetime.
2011: Francisco Lindor  8th overall pick, then no more until round 7.
2012: Round 4 - D'vone McClure (minors only, now out of pro-ball)
2013: 5th overall - Clint Frazier -0.2 WAR so far, no more high school hitters until 12th round.
2014: 3rd round: Bobby Bradley (minors) repeating AA this year, was a top 100 prospect pre2016 and 2017.
2015: none until the 16th round

So outside of Lindor not much to see there either.  However, they didn't pick many out of high school either.  But that one that worked...wow.
Nigel - Thursday, July 05 2018 @ 12:48 PM EDT (#361284) #
Interesting list - thanks for putting this together. I know that many prospect evaluators will tell you to disregard or place little weight on a player's first (draft) year. This thought makes sense due to small sample size and the difficulty of adjustmenting to the pros. However, what struck me about the above list was that the red flags of problems were generally waived in the first year and generally didn't change much over time.
hypobole - Thursday, July 05 2018 @ 12:55 PM EDT (#361285) #
Other than Lindor, the big wins for the Indians player development were Corey Kluber, who was a Sickels C prospect in 2012 and Jose Ramirez who never even made the C group in 2012 or 2013. 14 fWAR between the 2 last year.
uglyone - Thursday, July 05 2018 @ 01:03 PM EDT (#361286) #
seems silly to demote Harris when he's pitching well, in favor of some non roster vet stiff. and they could easily promote zeuch or pannone too, if they need another arm.

bpoz - Thursday, July 05 2018 @ 01:05 PM EDT (#361287) #
Agreed UO. Harris needed more time. SRF was not good his 1st outing either. He got the chance to improve.
Shoeless Joe - Thursday, July 05 2018 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#361309) #
Harris needed more burn in Buffalo, and Patrick Murphy really needs some time in New Hampshire to see what those two really were.
uglyone - Thursday, July 05 2018 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#361310) #
Hagen Danner started off the year ice cold again.....but I look now and he has a legit solid hitting line all of a sudden.
John Northey - Thursday, July 05 2018 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#361311) #
For fun I checked B-R for Jays first rounders.

High School
Hitters: 25 drafted, 12 reached majors, best: Shawn Green (34.7 WAR), 4 others in the 20's for WAR (Moseby, Rios, Wells, Stewart) then a big drop to 7.5 for Felipe Lopez (made an ASG), Travis Snider in the 4's, plus 4 in the negatives and Dwight Smith Jr.  barely over 0.  Not bad.

Pitchers: 14 drafted, 8 made it, best by a mile Roy Halladay (64.3 WAR), Chris Carpenter in the 30's, Steve Karsay and Noah Syndergaard in the 10's, Aaron Sanchez with 9, and 3 more under 2 (Dustin McGowan, Joe Musgrove, and unsigned Tyler Beede).

Junior College:
Hitters: None
Pitchers: 2 drafted, 1 made it (Mark Lukasiewicz) with Nate Pearson the other.

4 Year Colleges:
Hitters: 12 drafted, 8 made it - Aaron Hill by far the best, the only one over 6 WAR with 23.7.  Logan Warmoth and Max Pentecost still trying to make it.

Pitchers: 19 drafted, 16 made it - two over 10 WAR - James Paxton  (dang), and Marcus StromanRicky Romero  finished with 9.9.  A few are still in the system.

Interesting eh?
jerjapan - Thursday, July 05 2018 @ 11:36 PM EDT (#361312) #
Where is this sudden love for Harris coming from?
John Northey - Thursday, July 05 2018 @ 11:39 PM EDT (#361313) #
Of note: the highest picks ever were 3 2nd overall picks  between 78 and 82 - Lloyd Moseby , Garry Harris (never reached), and the infamous Augie Schmidt (drafted just a few picks before Dwight Gooden).

In 2012 the Jays drafted the lowest in round 1 - 60th overall and took Tyler Gonzales who played only 2 years in the minors (2012/13) with an ERA over 9 thanks to 16 BB vs 16K's in 25 IP.
mathesond - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 01:51 AM EDT (#361315) #
Good to know Logan Warmoth is still trying to make it. I had been wondering what happened to him :)
Shoeless Joe - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 08:20 AM EDT (#361322) #
I am not overly high on Harris as a prospect, but I think it was time to put him to the test in AAA while he was pitching well. He is a 40 man candidate in the offseason and he needs to prove himself.
hypobole - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 08:52 AM EDT (#361323) #
How many here have watched Harris pitch even 1 game this year? Members of the Jays org have watched every game he's pitched.

They have enough info to make a decision.
mendocino - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 09:07 AM EDT (#361324) #
With New Hampshire fighting for first, Lansing in the playoffs and Bluefield dominating might explain the lack of promotions and how much the Jays value the experience of a playoff run.
Mike Green - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 10:39 AM EDT (#361329) #
Dunedin is 8-6 (and 2 games out) in the second half, and have been playing a lot better since Kevin Smith (and now Santiago Espinal) have arrived.  There are plenty of opportunities to give prospects opportunities at a playoff run at various levels. 
uglyone - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 11:00 AM EDT (#361330) #
I am the furthest thing from a Harris fan, but he did in fact make a delivery adjustment a little over a month ago, which may or may not deserve the credit for his recent string of success:

"I made a little, not necessarily a delivery change, but I kind of moved my hands around a little bit to where I tried to get a little more deception in my delivery," Harris said. "I've been talking with our pitching coach, Vince Horsman, and he basically told me that he talks to a lot of the other [Eastern League] pitching coaches like, 'What do you see?' Their whole thing is, 'We see the ball way too much.' My last bullpen session, I was working on my hand placement to where I can hide the ball a little bit more to get some more deception, and tonight was one of those nights where it worked very well."



Since May 25th:

AA: 6gs, 6.0ip/gs, 22.5k%, 2.1b%, .282bip, 2.25era, 2.97fip
AAA: 2gs, 6.0ip/gs, 18.8k%, 2.1b%, .351bip, 3.00era, 3.16fip


Now this is probably just a fluke hot streak, but if he's able to sustain it all, this would be a massive departure from everything else he's ever done in the minors, and while age 24 is clearly too old for AA, it's not quite as big a deal in AAA.
Nigel - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 11:23 AM EDT (#361331) #
This is about the 3rd or 4th delivery change that Harris has gone through if I remember correctly. The consistent theme throughout his career is that his FB is too straight and none of his secondaries are that interesting. What he does have is better than average velocity and decent command and control. I hope that the recent change helps him but I really think his future, if he has any, is in the pen. I really don't understand the angst about whether he's in AA or AAA. With his years of poor performance, Harris is closer to organization filler than legitimate prospect. If this delivery change helps its found money.
uglyone - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 11:53 AM EDT (#361335) #
angst is a strong word.

hypobole - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 12:09 PM EDT (#361336) #
Like me, Nigel is informal

Angst: informal
a feeling of persistent worry about something trivial.
uglyone - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 12:12 PM EDT (#361338) #
"a feeling of persistent worry about something trivial."

aka being a sports fan
Nigel - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 12:22 PM EDT (#361339) #
Choice of angst was just fast typing, not a slight at anyone:)
hypobole - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 12:52 PM EDT (#361341) #
Except you were right Nigel. You're one of the very few here who have actually watched our minor leaguers play. For most here, they're basically a bunch of numbers.
jerjapan - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#361344) #
Oofff.  Hypobole, I was gonna post the last time you said this, thought, come on, that would be provcative, and deleted my post.  but if you want to double down on this idea, my response is simple.
None of us really know any of the things we say on this site.  The claim 'the org knows better' - clearly they do.  they have information we can't access.   they spend hundreds of hours more per month on the subject.  they have the expertise demonstrated by being hired by major league baseball teams.  you can argue that seeing the players in person is essential to evaluating them.  does that eliminate anyone but the scouts from having an opinion?  Of course not. 

I'll be the first to admit it ... I'm kind of dumb.  I don't want to pretend to some level of expertise, and I'm sure I have presented that way, and I apologize.  It is, indeed, all relative.  I am now on summer vacation, so I'm spending way to much time thinking about semantics and such.  sorry.
but if we don't get to opine about stuff we know very little about, we might as well pack up shop at the Box. 
hypobole - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#361346) #
Hey, we're all entitled to opinions, I certainly have too many. And as for my numbers comment, I posted a bunch of Reese McGuire's today. Numbers do mean something.

I just trust opinions on ballplayers more when they come from people who've actually watched them play. But that's just my opinion.

Wasn't it you who watched our DSL team last year?
uglyone - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 03:02 PM EDT (#361348) #
Ya know, I know plenty of people who watch a whole lotta baseball, whose scouting opinions I couldn't care less about.

but to each their own.
hypobole - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 03:24 PM EDT (#361350) #
So is there anyone who watches a whole lotta baseball whose scouting opinions you do care about?
uglyone - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#361351) #
why yes, plenty.

and there's plenty of opinions I respect that are based mostly on understanding the numbers, too.
hypobole - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#361353) #
Speaking of opinions, how about this one on pitchers/position players from Jeff Sullivan?

Andujar for Nick Pivetta. Who says no?

9:27
Jeff Sullivan: Yankees wouldn’t and shouldn’t do it

9:28
Jeff Sullivan: You take the young position player over the young starting pitcher almost every single time
scottt - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 05:14 PM EDT (#361359) #
I don't know about the position player vs starting pitcher. It depends whom really.

I wouldn't trade Guerrero or Bichette for a young starting pitcher.


Shoeless Joe - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 08:21 PM EDT (#361369) #
I'm not watching the Buffalo game like Jays management, so my opinion might really mean that much hey...however I'm pretty sure Sean-Reid Foley is dealing again tonight.
jerjapan - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#361371) #
I think it was ChinaFan who vacationed and caught a bunch of DSL games?  sounds like a sweet vacation
Mike Green - Friday, July 06 2018 @ 10:23 PM EDT (#361372) #
Jansen went 2-3 with a walk and a homer tonight.  The homer was a blast to left-center on a pitch at shoulder level (the kind of thing we have seen Solarte do 2 or 3 times this year).  I haven't seen Jansen do that before. 
Mike Green - Saturday, July 07 2018 @ 06:57 AM EDT (#361377) #
Conine hit 2 homers and a double last night in a 9-0 thrashing of Everett. He turns 21 next week. The club will probably let him stay to celebrate in Vancouver and then ship him to a full season club within a couple of weeks. There are reinforcements waiting in Bluefield.
Spifficus - Saturday, July 07 2018 @ 08:43 AM EDT (#361381) #
Are you trying to give him a case of permanent jet lag, or have him in AAA by September? It's his first year; if both teams get in the playoffs, there probably isn't any need to move up the homer-happy hitter with the 3-16 bb-kk ratio.
bpoz - Saturday, July 07 2018 @ 09:01 AM EDT (#361382) #
A lot of our minor league players have done well this year. That is just based on numbers. The SS is still SSS.

I am starting to evaluate many of the good performances. They are moving up the list of prospects.


I decided that I would not worry about the rule 5 draft this year. However Travis Bergen is putting up incredible numbers. Dunedin and NH. He will be eligible for rule 5. He is a lefty reliever. That is all I know. How would he compare to T Mayza? 2 different looking lefties out of the pen could be good. He may be close to ML ready soon.
uglyone - Saturday, July 07 2018 @ 09:30 AM EDT (#361385) #
I'm with Mike - because the initial first year league prospect placement is a bit of a crapshoot - i'd move them up quickly if they're smashing the level to try and find their "true" level. Conine is age appropriate for Lansing and may well belong there already - there's no actual reason for him to be in Vancouver other than that it's a logical first step for a college draftee. They liked his talent enough to pick him fairly high so this wouldn't be rushing him in any way.

same goes for Groshans.
bpoz - Saturday, July 07 2018 @ 09:38 AM EDT (#361386) #
We will get the test for troop placements next year. The FO's pattern is established. Most likely Conine to Dunedin and Groshans to Lansing. Leo Jiminez ???
hypobole - Saturday, July 07 2018 @ 10:13 AM EDT (#361388) #
I agree with uo on Groshans, but Spifficus does have a point with that BB/K ratio. If he gets that under control by months end, I wouldn't argue against promotion, but setting a guy up for a fairly high probability of failure may not be the best idea, just so we can see what he can do.
Mike Green - Saturday, July 07 2018 @ 10:43 AM EDT (#361389) #
I didn't say that the club should promote Conine, but rather that they would likely do so in a few weeks.  I'd love to see him when I visit Vancouver next month but I don't think it is going to happen.  It isn't however like a Noda situation where a promotion ought to happen now.

Conine had a rough start at Duke this year- which is why he fell to the 2nd round.  But by the end of the year, he was succeeding at the highest level of college ball in the CWS.  That's a lot tougher competition than short-season A ball. He went to Vancouver, and he struggled mightily for 4 games.  Since then, he's been the best hitter in the league for the last 9 games.  If he keeps hitting slugging .700 for another couple of weeks, I am pretty sure that they'll move him. But if he struggles, they will probably keep him there (and that's fine).

It's true that the Shapiro regime did not move Warmoth up last year, but he didn't dominate the way Conine is doing. 


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