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The Jays make a rare visit to Hollywood and hope to steal a win against the rampaging Dodgers. Tinseltown's finest are 82-44 and are on pace for a 105 win season. They lead the division by 18 games. It's a tough assignment for the baby faced Jays but they haven't been intimidated much recently. Much will depend on Vladdy's availability and now would be a good time for all the pretenders, like Teoscar, Fisher, Drury and McKinney to go an a long tear to end the season on a high note.


Tuesday, 10:10, Sean Reid-Foley vs. Clayton Kershaw

Wednesday, 10:10, Jacob Waguespack vs. Walker Buehler

Thursday, 10:10, Trent Thornton vs. Kenta Maeda

One look at those pitching match-ups and you cringe. If the Jays were to get a win in this series, which match-up would you think has the best chance? Maeda is the weakest of LA's three starters but Thornton has been hit and miss this season. The match-up depends on which of the three Blue Jay pitchers you believe can deliver. Waguespack has been the best recently, but he has to face Buehler. Buehler!

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Magpie - Tuesday, August 20 2019 @ 04:59 PM EDT (#380109) #
This is just the third time that the Jays have played in Dodger Stadium, which is now the third oldest park in the majors. Their last game there was twelve years ago, on 10 June 2007. Troy Glaus hit two homers and Roy Halladay was the winner as the Jays beat the Dodgers 11-5 to take two of the three games. The Dodgers took two of three from the Jays the first time the teams met in Chavez Ravine, way back in 2002.

Walker Buehler has never faced the Jays but Kent Maeda and Clayton Kershaw each have one career appearance against Toronto, a start at the Dome back in May 2016. Maeda faced Marcus Stroman. A two-run homer by Jose Bautista put the Jays ahead in the sixth, but the Dodgers tied it up the very next inning. The Jays won when Kevin Pillar tagged a three run homer off Joe Blanton in the eighth. The next day a passed ball and a Barney error staked Kershaw to a 4-1 lead and he'd strike out 10 Jays before his night was over and he had a 6-2 win over R.A. Dickey. The Dodgers took the rubber match when Drew Storen and Roberto Osuna couldn't hold a 2-1 lead in the eighth inning. And now we meet again.
Mike Green - Tuesday, August 20 2019 @ 05:13 PM EDT (#380110) #
If you believe BaseRuns, the Dodgers are the best team in baseball, 4 games better than the Astros.  who are in turn 4 games better than the Rays.  The Dodgers' fair record is 86-40, which translates to a 111 win pace. 

The Dodger pitchers all give up home runs.  Let them be 3 run jobs for a few games. 
Magpie - Tuesday, August 20 2019 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#380111) #
Maeda is the weakest of LA's three starters

Maeda also doesn't go nearly as deep into games as Buehler. And Buehler doesn't go as deep into games as Kershaw. The least impressive part of this very impressive team is the bullpen.

We should see our old chum Russell Martin, who is Toronto's highest paid baseball player this season (now that Troy Tulowitzki is an ex-baseball player.) Martin has generally been starting one game behind the plate on the weekend and another in the middle of the week. The Dodgers got fed up with regular catcher Austin Barnes a few weeks back. They optioned him to AAA and called up Will Smith - the jokes, they write themselves - to do the catching. How did that work out for them? Well, Smith is hitting .352/.422/.870 with 7 HRs in the 17 games he's played since. It's like they added another guy who hits just like Cody Bellinger, your National League MVP. That just doesn't seem fair.

But there is a weak spot in the order! Kershaw's having an off year with the bat. He hit .239 with a .622 OPS a year ago, but it's been a real struggle for him this year (.108/.108/.135).
scottt - Tuesday, August 20 2019 @ 06:28 PM EDT (#380114) #
I heard Guerrero will hit third and play third base tonight.
scottt - Tuesday, August 20 2019 @ 06:34 PM EDT (#380115) #
The A's have released Estrada.

If that's "it", I'd offer him a coaching job.
There're just so many prospects working on their changeup...

ayjackson - Tuesday, August 20 2019 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#380116) #
Urena up; Pannone down, per Mitchell.
Chuck - Tuesday, August 20 2019 @ 07:41 PM EDT (#380117) #
We should see our old chum Russell Martin

... who has pitched three scoreless innings this season.

Magpie - Tuesday, August 20 2019 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#380121) #
The A's have released Estrada.

Barry Davis reports he's going to retire.
Magpie - Tuesday, August 20 2019 @ 09:08 PM EDT (#380122) #
Rob Manfred is getting serious about robot umps.
SK in NJ - Tuesday, August 20 2019 @ 09:27 PM EDT (#380123) #
Sanchez with another bad start for the Astros (2.1 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, 1 HR). If they can't fix him, he's unfixable.
christaylor - Tuesday, August 20 2019 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#380124) #
Two not great relievers for a former top prospect seems like a decent trade to me for the Jays.
Magpie - Tuesday, August 20 2019 @ 10:12 PM EDT (#380125) #
Clayton who?
Magpie - Tuesday, August 20 2019 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#380126) #
[Martin] has pitched three scoreless innings this season.

And very tidy innings they were. He's faced exactly nine batters. Three up and three down twice. Even struck out a guy. Last time he gave up a leadoff single but then got a GDP.
Magpie - Tuesday, August 20 2019 @ 11:07 PM EDT (#380127) #
A tale of two left-handers

Year	W    L	W-L%  ERA    G    GS   CG  SHO  SV   IP      H     R    ER   HR	 BB     SO	BF  ERA+  FIP    WHIP   H9  HR9	  BB9  SO9  SO/W
12 Yrs	165  71	.699  2.41  339  337   25   15   0  2233.1  1679  652  597  160	 564   2416   8790  159   2.68   1.004  6.8  0.6  2.3  9.7   4.28
12 Yrs	165  87	.655  2.76  397  314  137   40   9  2324.1  1754  806  713  204	 817   2396   9497  131   2.69   1.106  6.8  0.8  3.2  9.3   2.93
One of them's Kershaw, one of them's Koufax. I forget which is which.
uglyone - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 12:09 AM EDT (#380128) #
Oh baby Bo that was sweet.
Magpie - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 12:17 AM EDT (#380129) #
Sanchez with another bad start for the Astros

And Hinch says he's probably heading to the IL with a sore pectoral. Sanchez says it's been bothering him for "6-7 starts."
John Northey - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 01:23 AM EDT (#380131) #
Sanchez has 2 good and 2 bad starts for the Astros.

6 IP 0 H 0 R 2 BB 6 SO 0 HR
5 IP 3 H 1 R 3 BB 6 SO 0 HR
5 1/3 IP 7 H 6 R 2 BB 3 SO 4 HR
2 1/3 IP 4 H 3 R 2 BB 1 SO 1 HR
18 2/3 IP 14 H 10 R 9 BB 16 SO 5 HR

So, a fast start then after showing the promise he once showed here, he went back to the frustrating pitcher he has always been. The long ball killing him, but even at his best (the no-hitter) he walks guys. A pitcher who will aggravate coaches and fans to no end for his entire career I suspect. Clearly has the talent to be an ace but for whatever reason never gets there.

Interesting note: when looking up Sanchez's stats I looked at the Jays staff and of the 10 guys with the most innings before tonight only 4 are on the active roster right now (Thornton, Gaviglio, Mayza, Law) with 2 more still on the 40 man (Pannone & Richard). Up to 23 guys with 10+ IP this year with 3 guys on the active roster who haven't reached 10 yet so expect that 23 to grow. 35 pitchers total. For comparison, 1982 when the first big youth movement got going for real (just one pitcher 30+) only 13 pitchers were used in total. 36 hitters plus pitchers total that year. The 8 guys with the most plate appearances were all 28 or less that year - not happening this year as Smoak is #3 with 420 PA at age 32 and Glavis is #2 with 473 at age 29. Vlad, despite the late start, is #4. 13 hitters, and soon 14 (Bichette is at 98 now) have 100+ PA. Fisher and McGuire are highest on the active roster with under 50 PA each so far.

So what does this mean? Sanchez is a nightmare who I'm glad isn't here anymore even if he did help in a no-hitter. The team is very young, but not as crazy young as that 1982 one. Montoyo loves to use everyone he has, and the GM loves to give him tons of players to use. Maybe too many. Still, this was to be a learning year and the Jays have some idea of how over 30 pitchers handle the majors now and a pretty good idea of all the kids who were close to the majors on offense. It'll be interesting to see what happens in September and in 2020.
Michael - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 04:16 AM EDT (#380133) #
Bichette is having such an incredibly good debut run. He's had 7 hr in 21 games and has a MLB OPS of 1.091 which is just crazy numbers.

Mike Trout on the full season has a 1.104.

Think about how great Bichette has been, and then consider that Trout has been playing at that level all this year, and that his career level is not that far behind this.

Here's hoping comparisons between Bichette and Trout can continue for a long, long time. :)
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 07:14 AM EDT (#380134) #
I knew that the Jays were in trouble when Bichette led off the game with a a solo homer instead of a three run shot.
scottt - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 07:26 AM EDT (#380135) #
I watched the first half inning and went to bed.
Bo is great.

Chuck - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 07:57 AM EDT (#380136) #
I knew that the Jays were in trouble when Bichette led off the game with a a solo homer instead of a three run shot.

Clearly not a clutch hitter. Good that the organization discover this early.

greenfrog - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 08:01 AM EDT (#380137) #
Trout would have singled, stolen a base, walked, then hit a three-run HR to lead off the game. Bichette still has a lot to learn, clearly.
bpoz - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 08:07 AM EDT (#380138) #
The humor is very refreshing.
ISLAND BOY - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 08:33 AM EDT (#380139) #
The Dodgers have a guy at AAA Oklahoma City named Gavin Lux who in 171 at-bats has a .415 average, .500 OBP, and a OPS of 1.272, and he's a shortstop! Maybe their version of Bo Bichette? I know it's the Pacific Coast League but still...
hypobole - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 08:36 AM EDT (#380140) #
Astro Sanchez -0.2 fWAR and injured
Blue Jay Fisher -0.1 FWAR and below the Mendoza line
Woodpecker Stevenson 82 wRC+ and below the Mendoza line
Astro Biagini +0.1 fWAR

So in the future, this will be called "The Biagini trade"
uglyone - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 08:47 AM EDT (#380142) #
Bo still seems to be following the Lawrie track, but that is a compliment, because Lawrie without the crazy woulda been great.

hypobole - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 08:58 AM EDT (#380143) #
Damn, the Dodgers aced the 2016 draft:
20th pick Gavin Lux
32nd pick Will Smith
101st pick Dustin May
281st pick Tony Gonsolin

Those are 4 of their top 6 prospects, with the 1st 3 among the best in baseball.
Shoeless Joe - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 09:04 AM EDT (#380145) #
Where is everyone with Sean Reid-Foley? How many more chances does he get as a starter until they give TJ Zeuch or Anthony Kay a shot? Pannone was given an opener and a few shots at the bulk pitcher before he was shipped back to AAA, and I think SRF might only get a few more chances t start showing at least some control of his fastball.
Nigel - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 09:28 AM EDT (#380146) #
SRF is still relatively young so there’s always hope. However, his command is worse than his control and, given his control problem, that’s a major issue. He’ll keep getting chances but he Isn’t someone the team should be basing any plans on for 2020.
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 09:40 AM EDT (#380147) #
Lux has developed, but it's hard to tell how much because of the ridiculous lines in the PCL.  However, OKC is a relatively neutral park.  In his home games, Lux is hitting .391/.488/.667 with 6 doubles, 2 triples and 3 homers in 82 PAs, but also 13 walks and 10 strikeouts. 

When Lux was 19, he was in the Midwest League.  He hit .244/.331/.362.  Just a reminder that Gabriel Moreno is a few months younger.
John Northey - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 09:45 AM EDT (#380148) #
Given the late stage of the season I suspect SRF stays in the rotation mix until seasons end while Zeuch and Kay are left in AAA to "develop" until around May 1st next year ala Vlad. That first month in AAA is a big help don't ya know. Pearson also. The 3 of them should get shots by July next year.
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 09:48 AM EDT (#380149) #
On cue, John Lott has a profile on Gabriel Moreno over at the Athletic.  In addition to the pop, his swinging strike rate this year is a microscopic 6%.

Lott's article is, as always, a must read. 
PeterG - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 09:48 AM EDT (#380150) #
SRF seems to have lost velocity. I can remember him striking out batters with a high fastball that now appears to be absent. So, I would say he will still pitch in 2019 due to the absence of available arms but he is probably taking himself out of the conversation to be in the rotation at the beginning of next season.

That said, he will still get opportunities if he earns them as he has 2 option years remaining and may develop further in AAA. If he can rediscover his velocity and improve his command, he still has a chance although belief is obviously wavering.
SK in NJ - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 09:55 AM EDT (#380151) #
SRF is a reliever long-term. I think that is the issue with the rotation now. Aside from being young/inexperienced, it is filled with pitchers who likely profile better as relievers (SRF, Thornton, Pannone, etc). I think Waguespack has a chance to stick as a back-end SP, but the others are long shots. Then there is Perez and Diaz on the 40 man roster who also look like relievers. It is going to be difficult to piece together a rotation from now until the end of the season. I hope the team seriously considers adding at least two SP arms from outside the org either in free agency or trades this winter.
uglyone - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 10:11 AM EDT (#380152) #
The only thing I'll add with SRF is that not only is he the youngest pitcher on the jays, but he was also the youngest pitcher on the bisons other than reliever Ty Tice....and as of yesterday Nate Pearson.
92-93 - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 10:19 AM EDT (#380153) #
"A tale of two left-handers" paints an interesting picture, especially the ERA+ difference.

Here's a look at their 5 year peaks, because Koufax's stretch is known as (one of?) the greatest ever.

88-33 .727 2.11era 172era+ 0.933whip 159gs 20cg 11sho 1128ip 810h 295r 265er 66hr 242bb 1249k

111-34 .766 1.95era 167era+ 0.926whip 176gs 100cg 33sho 1377ip 959h 342r 298er 89hr 316bb 1444k

It's surprising that Kershaw's ERA+ is still better, and that he actually yielded HRs at a lesser rate.
PeterG - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 10:36 AM EDT (#380154) #
You also need to consider that Pearson, Kay and Zeuch may all be in the rotation by mid 2020.
John Northey - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 10:56 AM EDT (#380155) #
I suspect the Jays will sign a few retreads this winter to eat early innings (April/May) and will sell them on the Jays by saying "you get 2 months to get it going, then if the kids are ready we'll clear out any who have failed, but if you succeed you will get traded to a contender mid-season if we aren't in the race". Should help them get the best of the batch of retreads - the clearing out at the trade deadline and beyond this year will be a good selling point in getting those guys. Guys who are nearing the end will have massive confidence that if they just got a shot again they'd be great. Shoemaker fit that perfectly, as did Buchholz. Quality pitchers who were down on their luck and needing a boost. Sadly both got hurt, but the point still stands. There is quality for under $10 mil on a 1 year deal out there. The Jays just need to find them.

Right now for 2020 at the start I'd expect Thornton, Waguespack, SRF, Shoemaker (assuming he is healthy by then), and Borucki to be the rotation. It would take very little to knock any of them out though and Pearson, Kay, and Zeuch should all be in there by mid-season. Yennsy Díaz is in the picture somewhere too as are many others (Hector Perez if he finds the strike zone. Not a fan of Paulino or Pannone but both have shots as well.

It will be a dog fight for the rotation. But will anyone of quality be there at the start? Who will survive the call-ups mid-season? Right now I don't see anyone as a lock to be there for 30 starts in 2020 (if healthy) so if I was a guy trying to get re-established the Jays would be very high on my list of who to sign with.
bpoz - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 10:57 AM EDT (#380156) #
Atkins is patient. I think he will let his players earn whatever they get.

1)Shoemaker and Borucki did well in a SSS. They need to stay healthy.
2) Thornton, Waguespack have not done well enough to date to lock down a rotation spot for the future.
3) The pitching prospects will compete for all available spots on the team.

I see those as some of the factors to be considered.

Fortunately we have a large supply of arms for this competition.
uglyone - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 10:58 AM EDT (#380157) #
SRF is actually the youngest pitcher on the jays by 2 years.
PeterG - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 11:05 AM EDT (#380158) #
I don't see the need to sign a mid ticket FA starter. It seems that about 80% of FA signings do not work out. I do expect a trade or 2 with either major league pitchers or prospects being the target. The main trading chips would be Giles, especially if his numbers remain good at season end, and one of the catching prospects. With a duo of 24 year old catchers here and a surplus in the system, this would seem to be a good match in seeking more pitching.
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#380159) #
Koufax' peak is better because of the greater number of innings pitched- which resulted in a 40.7 WAR to Kershaw's 36.3.  Plus Koufax was better than his runs allowed rate.  And then there was Koufax' superb post-season performances and Kershaw's homely ones. 

Kershaw will, of course, likely end up with a far better career.  
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 11:50 AM EDT (#380160) #
I missed this from Mike Podhorzer on Cavan Biggio.  The takeaway: don't look at the current slash line, the markers are almost all positive. 
Shoeless Joe - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 12:35 PM EDT (#380162) #
I always felt to build a contender you want to accumulate as many top ten talents at their respective position as possible. Cavan Biggio right now has the 11th best xwOBA among all second baseman with at least 50 PA, so he's almost there.

Jays players xWOBA position ranks (Min 50 PA):

SS: #2 - Bichette - 0.383
1B: #6 - Smoak - 0.379 / #33 Tellez - 0.327
2B: #11 - Biggio - 0.342
LF: #15 - Gurriel - 0.340
3B: #16 - Vladdy - 0.347
C: #24 - Jansen - 0.320
CF: #26 - Hernandez - 0.308
RF: #36 - Grichuk - 0.296

In all honesty the biggest improvement we need is natural progression from Vladdy.
PeterG - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 12:46 PM EDT (#380164) #
Astros have placed Aaron Sanchez on the IL.
SK in NJ - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 01:31 PM EDT (#380166) #
I'm curious to see whether the Astros non-tender Sanchez after this season. He's clearly not a SP, has lost some velocity, and is looking at about $4M in arb next season.
Magpie - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 01:53 PM EDT (#380167) #
Koufax' peak is better because of the greater number of innings pitched

Which is mostly a condition of the era he pitched in, of course. Kershaw's peak reaches very similar heights and though he never pitched anywhere near the number of innings in a single season, he's had roughly twice as many of those seasons. He's had 11 seasons in the rotation, his worst ERA+ was 133 (164 for the 11 years), and he worked more than 2100 innings. In Koufax's five year reign of terror (worst ERA+ was 143, 167 for the five years) he worked almost 1400 innings.

Of course, if Koufax had been active today he would have started just 30 times a season, he'd never have thrown 150 pitches in a game, and the doctors would probably have been able to keep his elbow in order.

The ballparks complicate things as well. Koufax pitching in the original Dodger Stadium was simply the greatest pitcher who ever lived. He was a good pitcher before that, and by 1961 maybe even a great pitcher - but the LA Coliseum was about the worst place on earth for him to try to succeed. Kershaw never had to pitch there, but he also never pitched in Dodger Stadium before they lowered the mound and moved home plate.
pubster - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 03:35 PM EDT (#380169) #
Danny Jansen Splits

March	0.167	0.167	0.167	0.334	16.67%	0.00%
April	0.185	0.286	0.259	0.545	30.65%	11.29%
May	0.143	0.217	0.238	0.455	23.19%	8.70%
June	0.246	0.328	0.404	0.732	14.06%	10.94%
July	0.24	0.296	0.48	0.776	19.75%	3.70%
August	0.275	0.326	0.6	0.926	18.60%	6.98%
pubster - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#380171) #

Brandon Drury Splits

March	0.235	0.235	0.412	0.647	35.29%	0.00%
April	0.217	0.27	0.446	0.716	34.83%	5.62%
May	0.24	0.263	0.333	0.596	23.08%	3.85%
June	0.135	0.224	0.192	0.416	27.59%	10.34%
July	0.262	0.3	0.538	0.838	18.84%	5.80%
August	0.288	0.302	0.519	0.821	16.98%	1.89%
pubster - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#380172) #
Randall Grichuk Splits

March	0	0.2	0	0.2	33.33%	13.33%
April	0.276	0.317	0.469	0.786	27.88%	5.77%
May	0.214	0.281	0.398	0.679	29.20%	8.85%
June	0.22	0.278	0.44	0.718	28.70%	6.48%
July	0.237	0.282	0.375	0.657	22.35%	3.53%
August	0.292	0.333	0.662	0.995	21.74%	5.80%
dan gordon - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 05:00 PM EDT (#380185) #
Koufax was untouchable at Dodgers Stadium, which opened for the 1962 season. The narrative you always hear about Koufax's career is that he had great stuff, but was wild until he found his command in 1962, and took a huge leap forward, becoming the best pitcher in baseball for the next 5 years, until he was forced to retire due to injury at age 30. While there is some degree of truth to that, the change in ballparks was the bigger part of his sudden "improvement". In 1964, for instance, Koufax had a 0.85 ERA at home, and 2.93 on the road. His home K:BB ratio was 124:18, while he was 99:35 on the road. In 1965, he allowed only 89 hits at home in 170 innings, 127 on the road in 5 fewer innings. At the old stadium, in 1961, his road ERA was comparable to what it was in his "peak" years, 2.77, while he was 4.22 at home. In 1960, he was 3.00 on the road, 5.27 at home. In one of his Abstracts, Bill James pointed out that there were outfield stands directly in the batters' line of sight at Dodger Stadium in those days, and most of the crowd was wearing white shirts due to the heat and sun, so the batters had a terrible time seeing the ball coming out of the pitches' hand.
John Northey - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 05:41 PM EDT (#380190) #
Koufax's 5 year peak in Dodger Stadium (1962-1966) was crazy. His average per 162 games in that stretch was 22-7 1.95 in 35 games 34 starts, 20 CG, 7 Shutouts, 263 IP, 61 BB vs 276 SO with a 167 ERA+. Damn fine. No wonder he won 3 Cy Youngs during that stretch. Lifetime in the World Series (which was all the playoff there was then) 4-3 0.95 ERA only once allowing more than 1 earned run, 3 times 2 runs allowed (2 losses were those games, the other was a 1-0 loss) - the only game he didn't get a decision in he threw 2 mop up innings in an 11-0 loss (5th & 6th inning). All but 2 of the games were in the 62-66 years.

Koufax was dominate during that stretch. I think of him as being overrated overall as crazy good 5 year stretches in perfect parks for a player happen. Not often, but they do. Larry Walker's first 5 years in Colorado produced a 153 OPS+ (he had 3 other years later with a 150+ OPS+ and his previous year in Montreal he had a 151). Scary that his last year was a 130 in 100 games for St Louis - a shame he didn't go to the AL to DH after that for a few years to boost his career numbers, one more year might have got him over 400 HR which could've helped speed his entry to the HOF (he damn well better get in next year, if Harold Baines is in then there is zero case for Walker or about 1000 other players to not be in too).

I checked Galarraga and Dante Bichette (two who are famous for being helped by Mile High Stadium) but neither reached numbers that are that impressive outside of average or HR or RBI. Galarraga 5 years = 316/367/577, Bichette in Colorado (7 years) 316/352/540 but just 4.8 WAR total over those 7 years. Talk about crazy park effects.
scottt - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 05:53 PM EDT (#380193) #
Fisher has 7 hits. 3 singles and 4 homeruns.
Spifficus - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#380195) #

Well, Bichette was a bad outfielder in a park with the biggest OF around with batted balls being faster do to less air resistance... Statcast would probably have a hell of a time with those numbers, let alone the far more primitive defensive metrics of the mid-90's. That'd be enough to kill his WAR. Heck, his 1999 was hilariously bad defensively on both fangraphs and baseball-reference. He must have actually been running away from the ball that year.

Magpie - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 06:47 PM EDT (#380197) #
The La Coliseum, home of the USC Trojans! But shaped all wrong for baseball.

It was 251 feet down the left field line. You can see why that might have been a problem for a LH pitcher. Koufax allowed 54 HR in 344.2 career IP there. At Dodger Stadium, he allowed just 34 HR in 715.1 IP.
hypobole - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#380201) #
Stroman finished the 4th inning but was replaced to start the 5th. Hamstring tightness.
Magpie - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 09:48 PM EDT (#380202) #
Bichette in Colorado (7 years) 316/352/540 but just 4.8 WAR total over those 7 years. Talk about crazy park effects.

During those seven seasons, Bichette hit .360/.397/.642 in Colorado and .268/.303/.431 on the road.

In the seven seasons when he played his home games somewhere else, he hit .267/.307/.444 at home and .271/.310/.412 on the road.

It looks like he had an unusual ability to take advantage of that one particular home park. Like Wade Boggs, or Sandy Koufax.
Gerry - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 10:09 PM EDT (#380203) #
SRF is no longer the youngest pitcher on the Jays, he is back to being a Bison. Jason Adam has been recalled to stock up the bullpen.
Magpie - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 10:12 PM EDT (#380205) #
The Jays make a rare visit to Hollywood

Not really Hollywood, by the way. If you did happen to be in Hollywood - say, the In-N-Out Burger on Sunset Blvd, which is certainly where I'd want to be - it's about a half hour drive on Sunset Blvd through East Hollywood and Echo Park. Until you get to Vin Scully Ave.
JB21 - Wednesday, August 21 2019 @ 11:44 PM EDT (#380208) #
An interesting note is that Bichette did continue to hit after he left the Rookies and Mile High/Coors.
Magpie - Thursday, August 22 2019 @ 01:26 AM EDT (#380213) #
Well, that was more like a Dodger Stadium game.

The Dodgers are now 50-16 (.758) at home this season. Their best Dodger Stadium record was 57-24 (.704) just two years ago. They should surpass that easily and have a shot at their best ever franchise record at home (60-17, .779) in Brooklyn in 1953.
Chuck - Thursday, August 22 2019 @ 07:17 AM EDT (#380216) #
Bill James may not have pioneered statistical analysis in baseball (Branch Rickey and Earnshaw Cook preceded him), but he was the first to make serious inroads to penetrate mainstream thinking. That was the early 1980s.

James was joined by Pete Palmer who shed yet more light on player evaluations, albeit with a method I am not enamored by (using means as a baseline rather than replacement level). The Elias Sports Bureau, big shots at the time, looked to cash in by aping the format of Bill James' yearly Abstracts but added precious little to the conversation, flexing their muscles (due to computerized access to privately owned data) to offer little more than semi-interesting trivia. Insight was not their forte, but they spoke with self-imposed authority, dismissive of anyone else in the field.

Come the 1990s, the quant "uprising" was under way, but far far from where it is today. Dante Bichette was especially emblematic of the disparity in thinking between the two worlds. Those who had drunk from the fountain of enlightenment, saw Bichette as an imposter propped up by Coors and cursed with a wretched glove. The mainstream, especially the BBWAA, saw fit to rank him 2nd in MVP voting off what we see now to be a 1.2 WAR season.

Modern day front offices would all valuate Bichette appropriately. Were he a modern day player, it is unlikely he would earn 40M (or the modern day equivalent) on a career worth less than 10 WAR.

To me, he will forever stand as one of the poster boys of ignorant times.

Sidenote: Bo's career bWAR is at 1.4. He trails dad by just 4.3.

scottt - Thursday, August 22 2019 @ 08:06 AM EDT (#380218) #
That one is easier to stomach, basically a tie.
scottt - Thursday, August 22 2019 @ 08:11 AM EDT (#380219) #
Doesn't look like anything serious for Stroman.

The Mets should be satisfied with that trade. They are largely winning the games that he's starting.
It's a bittersweet situation for Stroman himself, the team is in a race, but his numbers don't look that great.
He's going to have quite a chip on his shoulder next spring. That's when he's best anyway.

Cracka - Thursday, August 22 2019 @ 09:11 AM EDT (#380221) #
The Mets should be ecstatic with the past month or so. On July 13th, they were 11 games below .500 with a 4% chance of making the playoffs. Today - 35 games later - they are 6 games above .500 and within 1.5 games of the wildcard with a 48% chance of making playoffs). They've had an 8 game winning streak; a 7 game winning streak; two separate 4 game streaks... They've improved their playoff chances by 1200%!!!

It reminds me of our trade for David Price when we were 1 game over .500 on July 31st and then 17 games over .500 on August 31st.
bpoz - Thursday, August 22 2019 @ 10:13 AM EDT (#380227) #
Right on Cracka. Just like the 2015 Jays.

The crowds must be showing up.
Jevant - Thursday, August 22 2019 @ 10:26 AM EDT (#380230) #
Someone (Boras or someone else Aaron respects) need to sit down with him and tell him that his best route at this point is to find a role as a RP or opener and focus entirely on that.
Mike Green - Thursday, August 22 2019 @ 06:33 PM EDT (#380249) #
Playing to win behind Waguespack tonight:
Bichette 6, Biggio 4 VGJ 5, Tellez 3, Grichuk 8, McKinney 9, Jansen 2, Fisher 7, Wags 1
bpoz - Thursday, August 22 2019 @ 07:28 PM EDT (#380250) #
We got em!!
Gerry - Thursday, August 22 2019 @ 08:34 PM EDT (#380251) #
Giles is on paternity leave. Jordan Romano is up. Giles expected back on Sunday.
rtcaino - Thursday, August 22 2019 @ 08:35 PM EDT (#380252) #
The award for most bad ace Blue Jays' Players' Weekend nickname goes to Thomas Pannone who has chosen the monicker LIL’ G. While there is a wholesome backstory, it definitely sounds like a Rap name.

A quick google search suggests that - surprisingly - there isn't an established rapper using that name yet. There is a King Lil G from South LA. Thankfully, those names seem far enough apart that Thomas is unlikely to become embroiled in a 'beef'.
hypobole - Thursday, August 22 2019 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#380253) #
If this website had a Posters Weekend, my nickname would be my real name.
dan gordon - Friday, August 23 2019 @ 12:14 AM EDT (#380260) #
I don't know who this guy is wearing Jacob Waguespack's uniform, but he's really good.
Magpie - Friday, August 23 2019 @ 12:19 AM EDT (#380261) #
I've got a lovely cuttlefish for anyone who saw "Jacob Waguespack, Staff Ace" coming.
hypobole - Friday, August 23 2019 @ 12:46 AM EDT (#380262) #
I've got a lovely cuttlefish for anyone who saw "Jacob Waguespack, Staff Ace" coming.

Send cuttlefish to:

Ross Atkins c/o Toronto Blue Jays Baseball Club
dan gordon - Friday, August 23 2019 @ 12:52 AM EDT (#380263) #
Waguespack's last 5 games, including tonight: 28 IP, 16 H, 8 BB, 18 K, 6 ER, ERA 1.93, WHIP 0.857.
dan gordon - Friday, August 23 2019 @ 12:59 AM EDT (#380264) #
That's the kind of game that kills you when you're in playoff contention, and is exactly why I'd like to see the team sign Giles to an extension.
uglyone - Friday, August 23 2019 @ 02:20 AM EDT (#380265) #
I did say wagu was a better prospect than murphy, at least.

his peripherals were always amongst the most promising of our acquisitions' imo.
Jonny German - Friday, August 23 2019 @ 04:50 AM EDT (#380266) #
I felt like Waguespack was a reasonable return for Aaron Loup - as in, not much at all. And I definitely laughed whenever I saw him mentioned among Blue Jay pitching prospects. So, good on him and good on Atkins. I'll get my hopes up for Thomas Hatch and Kyle Johnston.
scottt - Friday, August 23 2019 @ 06:13 AM EDT (#380267) #
Blue Jays interleague record this year. 2-13

James W - Friday, August 23 2019 @ 08:57 AM EDT (#380272) #
It's 2-14 now.
bpoz - Friday, August 23 2019 @ 11:11 AM EDT (#380276) #
We definitely need a strong closer. I don't know if they extend Giles.
rtcaino - Friday, August 23 2019 @ 11:19 AM EDT (#380277) #
If Giles can be resigned at a team-friendly rate, then why not.

Ideally, someone comes through the ranks that can hold down the closer/relief ace role. (Or multiple such guys.) The Jays will have quite a few starters pushed to the pen. Hopefully, a few guys emerge who's stuff plays up in shorter stints.
rtcaino - Friday, August 23 2019 @ 11:23 AM EDT (#380278) #
I didn’t know that Giles wife is a former softball pitcher. They gave birth to their first son, Brody, in August 2016.

If Shapiro and Atkins are still around in 15 years, Brody may be squarely on their draft radar.
ISLAND BOY - Friday, August 23 2019 @ 11:25 AM EDT (#380279) #
The Dodgers are an astounding 52-16 at home this year. It must be fun to be a Dodger fan as nearly every home game is Guaranteed Win Night !
bpoz - Friday, August 23 2019 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#380280) #
Good point ISLAND BOY. They are a good organization and seem to own the NL.

I would not be surprised if the fans are very upset that they have not won a WS for a long while.

They probably have their version of Batter's Box.
grjas - Friday, August 23 2019 @ 01:26 PM EDT (#380287) #
Lost in the excitement of Bichette’s meteoric start to his career is how good Guerrero has been over the last month. His OPS is north of 1100 in that period- higher than Bichette’s- and his number for the year is 833.

Quite the tandem.
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