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Believe it or not, the answer is "yes, sort of." Many times we have heard from new members (and even occasionally from someone affiliated with the Blue Jays) wondering what the official "code of conduct" is or was or will be or (insert "to be" tense of your choice here).

And Batter's Box not only has an official "code of conduct" ("What are the ground rules?") published as part of the site's FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page, there's also a Privacy Policy on the good ol' Legal page. And yet, believe it or not, Da Box has never made a big deal out of pointing to these pages because 99.64 percent of the time, there is no reason to.

So why bring this up now? Precisely because ..

... there's no specific reason to! Nobody's been "bad" or tried to turn the site into a drug cartel recently; nobody's even said anything (well, much) that was the Internet equivalent of "fingernails on a blackboard." (That's Rollie Fingers, Lenny "Nails" Dykstra, Buddy Black and Whitey "The Chairman of the Board" Ford, for you Hall of Names fans out there!)

Seriously, this is as good a time as any -- and better than some -- to remind an active and passionate online community that there are, in fact, rules. That membership has its privileges -- AND its responsibilities. Insert your own cliche here. Thank you for your continuing support of Baseball From a Canadian Perspective through Batter's Box Interactive Magazine and if you have any questions, comments or complaints, keep 'em clean, but post 'em here.

Mick Doherty
Manager, Media Relations
Batter's Box Interactive Magazine

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Pistol - Sunday, February 12 2006 @ 10:36 PM EST (#141033) #

I'd recommend re-reading the Code of Conduct in the FAQ section linked above, particularly if you've joined the site in the last few months.

A few points I think deserve emphasis:

* Before posting ask yourself: 'Is this post contributing to the thread?' If the answer is 'No' or 'I'm not sure', do not post your comment. At Batter's Box we value quality over quantity.

* If you feel strongly about a point make it, even make it again. But don't return to the same point time after time.

* Keep threads on topic. There are appropriate threads to put everything in.

We try to strive to have Batter's Box be a place where the discussion level is high. In order for that to occur it takes everyone posting to be strong posters. You're only as strong as your weakest link.

greenfrog - Sunday, February 12 2006 @ 11:50 PM EST (#141038) #
Rules are useful and good, but tolerance and a little frivolity also go a long way towards making a site interesting. I think it's good to keep the code police at bay unless things get really out of hand (IMO the BB community is pretty self-regulating).

Just my 2c.
Ron - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 12:18 AM EST (#141041) #
Here are a few things off the top of my head:

- With an increased interest in the Jays this season, I'm sure there will be new Jay fans joining the site. Fans that might not know about the "hardcore stats". I'm hoping no posters jump all over a person if they don't know what VORP means.

- Will JP be stepping into Da Box before the season starts? I remember reading last season he doesn't visit the site as much because a lot of posters/members were too negative.

- What happened to Wilner?

- Is there a minumum word count for pinch hits?

- Any changes in store for the new season? Last season chats replaced game threads and daily links (from newspapers) were removed from "game recaps".
King Ryan - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 01:15 AM EST (#141042) #
Since Ron mentioned it, I would like to show my endorsement of the changes that were made last year.

I was opposed to it at first, but what we ended up doing towards the end was perfect. Use the IRC chat during the game and then start an "Instant Replay" thread to, ahem, maturely discuss the game afterwards.

Really worked out well in my opinion, although I would have liked to see more "regulars" in the IRC chat.

So anyways, if there are any changes in store for the new season, I hope that this isn't one of them. Thumbs up and all that.

One other thing I would like to point out, even though I have not been knighted: The preview post function is mandatory for a reason, lads. Please make sure your spelling, grammar and punctuation is in check or Willy will come after you.
Skills - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 08:04 AM EST (#141043) #
One feature I'd like to see reinstated is the song of the day trivia that used to accompany the game reports. I didn't see it last season, but in 2004 I always looked forward to watching/participating in the race to identify the lyrics. This is not very important of course, but I just found it to be a good bit of fun.
Pistol - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 08:18 AM EST (#141044) #
- Is there a minumum word count for pinch hits?

Nope.

- Any changes in store for the new season? Last season chats replaced game threads and daily links (from newspapers) were removed for "game recaps".

Things are still being discussed internally but I don't anticipate any significant changes.

MatO - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 10:14 AM EST (#141047) #
The song of the day was provided by songaholic Mike Moffat but I think Mike has a life now, thus the source of much of the late and lamented frivolity is no longer being posted.
VBF - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 10:55 AM EST (#141050) #
There's been a serious lack of cuttlefish prizes recently.
Willy - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 11:01 AM EST (#141051) #
One other thing I would like to point out...: The preview post function is mandatory for a reason, lads. Please make sure your spelling, grammar and punctuation is in check or Willy will come after you.

Way to go, King Ryan. You're paying attention (and not mangling the language so much). This is not a site for 12 year-olds--despite some evidence to the contarry. So if you don't like being thought of as a 12-year-old, don't write/act like one. And have a nice time, too.
DeMarco - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 11:15 AM EST (#141053) #
Willy, you spelled 'contrary' wrong.
CaramonLS - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 11:38 AM EST (#141056) #
I wasn't completely sure how the IRC game chats would work out, but I thought they went great.

Plenty of healthy debate to go around afterwards and a nice game discussion.
Willy - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 12:10 PM EST (#141057) #
<i>Willy, you spelled 'contrary' wrong.</i><br><br>

Just checking. :) Way to go, DeMarco. If I had a cuttlefish, you'd get it. See, guys, you *gotta* use the Preview button.
Oleg - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 03:37 PM EST (#141066) #
"This is not a site for 12 year-olds--despite some evidence to the contarry. So if you don't like being thought of as a 12-year-old, don't write/act like one. And have a nice time, too."

I really don't mean this to be an ass, but just more of a my $.02 type of thing. Two or three years ago or so I used to visit battersbox on a regular basis. After the demise of rec.sport.baseball and alt.sport.baseball.toronto-bluejays (or whatever it was) this was a place to come and find intelligent conversation about the Jays. Yeah, there were trolls, but such is the nature of internet discussion boards and they were taken care of quite easily.

Then there was this wholesale change and in truth the place felt like it became this little club full of pedantic, territorial members. I mean look at the quote above. This is an internet board for discussing the Jays. Can you get more pedantic than complaining that poor spelling makes you seem like a 12 year old? I would have hoped that people here would disregard form and focus on content. Really what's the point? It's not like the battersbox.ca archives are going to be referred to a centuries later and used to judge our culture.

who cares if I post all lower case, full of spellign mistkaes, with a bunch of elipsis if I'm getting an intelligent point across?... does this really bring the tone of the conv down... hardly.

All these rules have really squashed any fun or personality this site and it's members had.

I know, I know, if I don't like it I don't have to come here (and I rarely do anymore). But I thought this was as good a place as any to register my complaint (unless of course there's the specific "Registering Complaints about the Site during the First Two Weeks of February" thread.)
Craig B - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 04:44 PM EST (#141071) #
All these rules have really squashed any fun or personality this site and it's members had.

Please don't confuse Willy's opinion for that of a member of the management. However, I will point out that it is simple politeness to write in a fashion that visitors to the site can read. Unreadable comments add to nothing but everyone's annoyance level.

Someone who is not a native speaker of English, for example, is welcome to come here and post all the spelling and grammar mistakes that they want. But we can all tell the difference between that and sloppy cellphone-inspired gibberish written by someone too lazy to make their point clearly.

Writing something like "who cares if I post all lower case, full of spellign mistkaes, with a bunch of elipsis if I'm getting an intelligent point across?... does this really bring the tone of the conv down... hardly" means that all of the work in achieving communication has to be made by the reader, and none by the writer. Asking someone to put in the effort to read what you have to say, when you put no effort at all into writing it, is plain rudeness, and deserves to be smacked down with all deliberate speed.

VBF - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 05:10 PM EST (#141073) #
Another 2 cents, and maybe there was a good reason or something. It's too late now, but it would've been nice to have that "Gone But Not Forgotten Thread" for O-Dog and Batista.
Rob - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 05:15 PM EST (#141074) #
Why is it too late now? Does that mean that you can only have fond memories of a player in the first two months after he left?
Mick Doherty - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 05:26 PM EST (#141075) #
The GBNF for Batista is planned to coincide with his starting the All-Star game for the NL, while we'll wait on the O-Dog GBNF until the day after he is unanimously named the 2006 NL MVP.
VBF - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 05:33 PM EST (#141076) #
Thanks.
Mike Green - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 05:33 PM EST (#141077) #
VBF, there will be an Orlando Hudson GBNF thread soon. Better late than never.:)
Ryan C - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 05:50 PM EST (#141078) #
who cares if I post all lower case, full of spellign mistkaes, with a bunch of elipsis if I'm getting an intelligent point across?... does this really bring the tone of the conv down... hardly.

By putting no effort into making your post readable you show that you dont care if anyone understands your point. You're putting all the onus for making communication possible on the reader. If you really cared if people got your point then you would take the time to make it easily readable. So if you dont care if anyone reads your post, then why am I reading it? Answer: Im not. Why should I have to take the effort to decipher your post that you dont even care if anyone reads anyway.

I dont care if people's grammar and spelling are perfect, mine certainly aren't. I care more about the content of your message than I do the syntax, which is why it bothers me when the syntax gets in the way. If there's too much noise, I can't hear what you're saying.

Hartley - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 08:09 PM EST (#141079) #
This is an entirely different topic.

Does anyone know what day in February the Ford Frick Award is to be announced. I am hoping Tom Cheek wins the award.
Oleg - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 08:25 PM EST (#141080) #
Look, if it's really unintelligible gibberish I understand. But, really, it's being awefully prescriptivist to demand that we write full sentences, punctuated correctly. And, I might add, disingenous to say that such things are difficult to read. Communication via the internet takes place mostly via typing - email, IMming, post on message boards, etc. These things aren't formal letters and shouldn't be thought of as such. Rather, in many cases they're more akin to little snippets of conversation and it's only natural that we're finding more economical ways to express ourselves in this (kinda) new medium. Hence, not bothering with the caps key, or throwing down elipses to mirror a kind of thinking out load, or using appreviations like IMHO and such. Again, to get all strict about how we post on such a board, in truth, is reactionary and forcing a style of communication which is inappropriate to the type of communication.
CaramonLS - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 08:35 PM EST (#141081) #
Don't throw Oleg under the bus yet guys.

He has a point, who really cares if someone misspells a word in their post. If you point out a single word, or even a few, you really need to get a life.

If someone's post is littered with trash, no paragraphs, punctuation or capital letters, then you might have a point. However, picking out single words and going grammar police on someone is uncalled for and pointless.
Leigh - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 09:01 PM EST (#141083) #
This is an internet board for discussing the Jays.

This is not a "board". Every time that you call it one, you insult the people who work hard to put this Interactive Magazine, this pena, together.

MondesiRules - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 09:08 PM EST (#141084) #
Gimme a break. Interactive Magazine? Sure...
eeleye - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 09:20 PM EST (#141085) #
No - it's definitely more than just a board. I think it deserves interactive magazine. It's a great site and I love going to it.... Good quality. But no need to be uptight (for anything), but that's not an issue really.
Named For Hank - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 09:30 PM EST (#141087) #
If someone's post is littered with trash, no paragraphs, punctuation or capital letters, then you might have a point. However, picking out single words and going grammar police on someone is uncalled for and pointless.

Oleg would have a point if we had a policy that said that all writing must be perfectly spelled and punctuated, with magnificent grammar.

What we actually ask is that you try.

And, as always, the people who get involved in these arguments are not the people that we are talking about anyways: the problem people are those who do not try and do not care. In the old days we never had to ask because there were rarely people who didn't try.
Mike D - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 09:34 PM EST (#141088) #
I don't know offhand of any "internet boards" that can boast of exclusive interviews of John Sickels and Tony LaCava, to use just the examples of the past week.

If you're new to the site, just wait until the season starts and the Advance Scouts, Game Reports, Minor League Updates and Photos of the Week get going...to say nothing of the BBFL, Hall of Names features and the best 2006 Draft coverage you'll find anywhere. What internet boards do you know that can match Magpie's article on the 1920 season? Or Mike Green's Hall Watch?

The "magazine" content is admittedly a little lighter during the offseason. But we don't like conducting ourselves like a garden variety internet board because we are *manifestly* not one.
Named For Hank - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 09:35 PM EST (#141089) #
Mondesi, boards are places where you go to chatter. Batter's Box is a place where there's a lot of strong original content plus discussion.

If you really think the content is worthless (and you wouldn't be the first -- my favourite time was when I was told how useless Photo of the Day was and how it obviously required no effort, right there in a Photo of the Day thread), well, I can't say we appreciate the feedback.
Named For Hank - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 09:55 PM EST (#141090) #
If someone's post is littered with trash, no paragraphs, punctuation or capital letters, then you might have a point. However, picking out single words and going grammar police on someone is uncalled for and pointless.

And just to make my point clearer, can we think of a time when someone who actually spoke for the site has done what you describe? Our primary method for dealing with this stuff is private e-mails, and we're frankly too lazy to e-mail people about one word.
Oleg - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 09:58 PM EST (#141091) #
Okay, it's not a board. Point taken. However, the comments section to the articles should not be held to the same standards as the articles themselves. Of course, I'd be building a strawman if I were to say that the comments are in fact being held to the same standard as the articles. I do, however, think that there isn't as much seperation as there should be. I understand how the 'owners', since they put all the effort and such into the articles, want to maintain a certain stardard throughout the site, but it seems there's overkill. They really have to let go a little and realize that once you open this up to the public creating a lot of your content (i.e. the comments), well you have to loosen up and relinquish some control. Of course, they have, but I think not enough. I just think there's too much - I dunno - whining, for lack of a more political term - when someone posts in the wrong thread or shows a little too much spirit in their post. Anyway, the horse I'm beating has just about expired, so it's time to give the poor nag a break.
Named For Hank - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 10:08 PM EST (#141092) #
I just think there's too much - I dunno - whining, for lack of a more political term - when someone posts in the wrong thread or shows a little too much spirit in their post.

Are you talking about people who speak for Batter's Box, or are you just talking about other posters? Because if you're talking about other posters, aren't you asking us to do more intervening rather than less?

Like I said, we like to take care of this stuff behind the scenes with e-mails. It's only when we show up after the fight is too big to be contained that we participate at all in these dustups.
MondesiRules - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 10:21 PM EST (#141093) #
I'm sorry, but where exactly did I say the content is worthless? I guess there's two sides to every coin, just like some would consider a prison a great place for food, fellowship and frivolity!
TamRa - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 10:22 PM EST (#141094) #
I'd just like to say, regarding the IRC chats, that I was quite interested in participating last year - at least as a lurker since I can't actually WATCH the Jays where I live (and on my income) - but I could never make the links work.

I have a mIRC applet on my desktop that I use for chats connected with a BBS where I'm on staff all the time. But I'm too tech illiterate to reconcile what I have with what goes on here.

Perhaps a pre-season "chat for dummies" thread is in order?
Willy - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 10:29 PM EST (#141097) #
Again, to get all strict about how we post on such a board, in truth, is reactionary and forcing a style of communication which is inappropriate to the type of communication.

The implication of this is that people discussing baseball shouldn't be required to take as much care with what they're saying as people discussing other things have to. Why the hell not? Because sports fans are, well, dumb, inarticulate bozos of whom we shouldn't demand too much--like writing clearly and cogently?

The repeated laments about spelling and grammar (or 'grammar police') are simply red herrings: very few objections have been made to either as the real matter under discussion. But if its simply too much of a burden for someone to try to write ccarefully, maybe he shouldn't write anything?

People complaining because they're asked to write carefully--do you realize what you're complaining about, and how that makes you look?
CaramonLS - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 10:54 PM EST (#141101) #
http://www.battersbox.ca/staticpages/index.php?page=chat

Here is the Link to the Java client. No need to connect with the actual mIRC client.

See if that works for ya.
King Ryan - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 10:57 PM EST (#141102) #
I am terribly sorry, friends. I did not mean to start up this conversation again.

As NFH has pointed out, nobody is going to ban you from the site of you misspell "Schoeneweis." The point is that you should look over your post and try to make it clear. Just keep in mind that if you don't take your comment seriously, neither will many of its readers.

I like to think that this website is more mature than most websites on the Internet, so if the overlords ask the commentators to simply try their best grammar-wise, I don't really see the problem. but if u dissagre ten tahs ur perogitave.

Named For Hank - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 11:13 PM EST (#141105) #
Perhaps a pre-season "chat for dummies" thread is in order?

That's actually a really good idea, especially since there are so many technical bugaboos out there. Maybe we should do one to coincide with a spring training game? I'll check what Joe's schedule is like, since he's the smart guy who'd be able to answer questions about the chat and why it's not working. Other smart volunteers to troubleshoot for people for a few hours one day while chatting about baseball would also be appreciated -- e-mail me if you have the requisite skill set. Click on my name to find the handy e-mail form that prevents me from getting more spam than I already get.

Oh, and VBF asked about Gone But Not Forgotten threads for our two departed Arizonans -- we actually delayed them because we were all busy and we didn't want the remembrance threads to be plagued with analysis of the trade. Mostly we've got that stuff out of our systems now.
Magpie - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 11:28 PM EST (#141106) #
I am terribly sorry, friends. I did not mean to start up this conversation again.

Oh, don't worry about it!

I think it's quite likely that there's a group of people with all kinds of prior experience discussing matters on the internet who have, in the natural course of time, become accustomed to what we might call "internet conventions." It's natural for them to write in such a manner when they're ... on the internet, and natural for them to take for granted that they will be understood.

But here... not so much. The Box was started, and continues to be maintained, by a band of folks who generally come from a different type of background. I myself had never visited, let alone posted, to one of these places. I'm doubtless not the only one. When someone types "IIRC" I honestly do not know what it means. Which defeats the whole purpose.

It's not so much a warning as a heads-up. There's a somewhat different group of people here. If you want to be understood by them, you must proceed accordingly.

Named For Hank - Monday, February 13 2006 @ 11:38 PM EST (#141107) #
When someone types "IIRC" I honestly do not know what it means.

He also thinks that Trans is the best Neil Young album.

Just sayin'.
Rob - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 12:15 AM EST (#141110) #
I think it's quite likely that there's a group of people with all kinds of old age discussing music who have, in the natural course of time, become accustomed to what we might call "music conventions." It's natural for them to write in such a manner when they're ... talking about music, and natural for them to take for granted that they will be understood.

But here... not so much. The Box has attracted, and continues to be frequented, by a band of folks who generally come from a different generation. When someone makes a "Trans" joke I honestly do not know what it means. Which defeats the whole purpose.
Geoff - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 12:43 AM EST (#141112) #
So I don't need an English degree just to write comments on this site?

I went and got one for nothing. That stinks. If I knew I needn't write cogently I never would've tried to raise myself above my fellow sports bozos.

But Willy, it's "it's" with an apostrophe when you are making a contraction of it and is, but "its" when you are expressing the possessive pronoun. Be careful!

I have a heart attack every time I see that mistake. And "you're/your" mistakes are more painful. Willy's right though. We need a Grammar Gestapo to go around and correct posts -- and train those heathen bozos. :) Or did he suggest the opposite? I'm confused...the improper use of "its" is throwing me off kilter.
Oleg - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 03:10 AM EST (#141115) #
"The implication of this is that people discussing baseball shouldn't be required to take as much care with what they're saying as people discussing other things have to. Why the hell not? Because sports fans are, well, dumb, inarticulate bozos of whom we shouldn't demand too much--like writing clearly and cogently?"

Um, how in gods name did you get that from what I wrote? I was making a point about writing on the internet and how it's a significantly different activity than the kinds of writing we were doing before the internet came along. It has its own rules and conventions which have arisen naturally out of its aims, constraints, etc. Be as prescriptivist as you like, but you're going to lose in the end. Humans are very efficient when it comes to language and it adapts both quickly and well.

"But here... not so much. The Box was started, and continues to be maintained, by a band of folks who generally come from a different type of background. I myself had never visited, let alone posted, to one of these places. I'm doubtless not the only one."

This reminds me of the attitude a grizzled scout might have against sabermetrics. The internet is here to stay. I would say catch up and opposed to expecting people to reign back to your way of doing things.
Oleg - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 03:13 AM EST (#141116) #
> People complaining because they're asked to write
> carefully--do you realize what you're complaining about,

Yes, about being asked to write carefully.

> and how that makes you look?

Yes, tolerant, non-reactionary, and not pedantic.
Jobu - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 03:39 AM EST (#141117) #
Guys, guys, guys...

I don't mean to be nitpicky, but this thread topic is officialy over and we must now move on ;)

We need a Grammar Gestapo

As for new topic ideas, I suggest one to annoy Rob:

Re-ac-tor vs Trans.... discuss.

Jim - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 08:19 AM EST (#141121) #
'The internet is here to stay. I would say catch up and opposed to expecting people to reign back to your way of doing things.'

I'd rather Battersbox go the way of Sons of Sam Horn and exclude me from posting then have the level of discourse drop to the average internet site.

Named For Hank - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 08:24 AM EST (#141122) #
Oleg, people write in quick strokes on the internet in order to communicate quickly. On Batter's Box, we discourage knee-jerk reactions of all kind. We're trying to foster intelligent, thought-out discourse. You can't have intelligent, thought-out discourse at high speed.

Paint us as backwards all you like; it's our site, we'll do what we want. I'm sorry that we're not so forward-thinking as to enjoy the level of conversation in the forums on bluejays.com, but it exists and you can have all the misspelled, abbreviated, unpunctuated fun you want over there.

You seem to think we're trying to change the internet, but as Magpie points out a number of us don't care to go to those other parts of the internet. And I'm sure that those other parts don't care to come to us. Why should they?

This reminds me of the attitude a grizzled scout might have against sabermetrics.

Well, that would make sense if Batter's Box were trying to win the internet. Instead, we're trying to be a place where we enjoy talking about baseball -- to that end, we're not going to tolerate what we don't like. Why would we put the effort into the site just to get what we would get everywhere else?
Named For Hank - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 08:29 AM EST (#141123) #
As for new topic ideas, I suggest one to annoy Rob:
Re-ac-tor vs Trans.... discuss.


Perhaps I can paint this in terms Rob will understand:

One time, some friends and I had a movie night where we ran a James Bond double bill -- Moonraker and Never Say Never Again. We called it Moore vs. Connery: who's crap stank worse?

Said one of my friends, afterwards: "Why did we do that? I hate James Bond now."
Craig B - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 09:18 AM EST (#141130) #
You seem to think we're trying to change the internet

Batter's Box : changing the internet, one Borg-like assimilation at a time.

Snappy, eh? You should put that in the banner instead of the O-Dog.

Magpie - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 11:40 AM EST (#141142) #
Hang on! I might have said Trans was the best Neil Young album of the 1980s, but that's a different thing altogether. Like being the best player on the 1990 Yankees.

How about this - this is a baseball place that happens to be situated on the internet. Rather than an internet place that happens to be about baseball?

Or - in this domain, it's more important to know what LOOGY stands for, or TINSTAAPP, rather IMHO.

In my never-been-called-humble-in-my-life opinion.

Willy - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 12:17 PM EST (#141147) #
> People complaining because they're asked to write carefully--do you realize what you're complaining about,... Yes, about being asked to write carefully. > and how that makes you look? Yes, tolerant, non-reactionary, and not pedantic.

Firstly, Geoff, nicely done. I'm mortified about "its"/"it's"--one of my own grimace-inducers. I'm thinking about turning in my badge.

As for old Oleg, complaining about being asked to write carefully seems to me like a teenie whining about his Mom asking him to wash occasionally, maybe buy some deodorant, try to be, well, 'decent' for a change. It's called civilization, sometimes. Funny how we are willing to observe all sorts of arcane and very rigorously specific computer-related rules, just to post something on here; but to ask that we observe some of the more obvious rules of our language is just too onerous for words. We could all go back to grunting, I suppose. Lots easier.
Craig B - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 12:38 PM EST (#141148) #
<i>this is a baseball place that happens to be situated on the internet. Rather than an internet place that happens to be about baseball?</i><p>

That can't work, though, or all the pixels would be blue with cussing.<p>

<i>Like being the best player on the 1990 Yankees. </i><p>

Jesse Barfield demands your respect. If you're unwilling to give it, I suggest you find some other "baseball place that happens to be on the internet" to besmirch with your tomfoolery!
Craig B - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 12:40 PM EST (#141149) #
Remember, folks, that preview tag is there for your protection! Don't look like a fool in the grammar nazi thread!
Mick Doherty - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 12:59 PM EST (#141150) #
I was going to protest your choice of Barfield as being too Blue Jay-centric, but just revisited the roster and boy, that was a bad ballclub! Other than Jesse, the only other players you could even make a reasonable case for are Dave Righetti and, if you value speed and the 42 SB, Roberto "Bobby" Kelly. Mattingly and Sax were both steep on the downslope by then.

Ugh-ly. Ewww. Derek Jeter, get out of junior high fast and come save the franchise!
Named For Hank - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 01:34 PM EST (#141151) #
Hang on! I might have said Trans was the best Neil Young album of the 1980s, but that's a different thing altogether. Like being the best player on the 1990 Yankees.

Right, the old "tastiest brand of kitty litter" comparison.

Still, you like Trans.
VGeras - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 02:18 PM EST (#141159) #
What is this thread all about? Me confused
actionjackson - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 03:13 PM EST (#141164) #
The best player on the 1990 Yankees was without a doubt Kevin Maas, who probably would've had more playing time if Don Mattingly didn't have God-like status and Steve "Bye-Bye" Balboni wasn't blocking him at DH. God, who managed that team? Oh yeah, Bucky Dent and Stump Merrill.

Ok, before someone on Da Box jumps on me about small sample size, 300 plate appearances might not be enough to judge how he would've done given a full season but .252/.367/.535. That's a .902 OPS with a .283 ISOP, and a homerun every 14.3 PLATE APPEARANCES. Shouldn't he have been taking AB away from someone? Oh, wait just looked it up on Retrosheet and he wasn't called up until June 29, 1990. What a half season.

As I recall, in 1991 he was heavily salivated over by fantasy baseball players and never came close to those numbers again. 1148 plate appearances later after a brief stint with the Twins in 1995 he was done. What a Joe Charbonneau/Bob Hamelin story. But I digress.

In response to the general theme of the thread, I say the Roster is entitled to set the rules of conduct for their site and if you don't like them you are entitled to take your comments about baseball to the many other sites out there that talk about baseball. Or you can even start your own baseball website. That's the beauty of the web.
Geoff - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 03:23 PM EST (#141167) #
I think we're trying to find good kitty litter recipes, and I recommend this one.
Some call me Tim - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 06:13 PM EST (#141185) #
I must say that it is quite ironic to see Oleg articulately arguing for the right to be inarticulate.

As has been pointed out, perhaps it is not those who are actually guilty of butchering the language that are participating in this discussion. Yet, we seem to be spending an awful lot of time discussing it.

My two cents? As an English teacher, I definitely prefer to see the language used correctly. However, I've seen enough mutilation of the language by students that nothing I have ever seen on this site has been bad enough to raise my ire.

Let's keep encouraging people to be as accurate as possible when they write, but not nitpick about mistakes, because everyone is going to be guilty of mistakes eventually. Very few people use the English language perfectly, because it is admittedly very hard to do so.
Chuck - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 07:55 PM EST (#141189) #
1148 plate appearances later after a brief stint with the Twins in 1995 he was done. What a Joe Charbonneau/Bob Hamelin story.

One should always be cautious about old rookies (Maas was 25 1/2, Charbonneau 25, Hamelin 26 1/2). The Edgar Martinezes of the world -- a fulltimer at age 27 -- are a rare breed.

Four Seamer - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 09:29 PM EST (#141193) #
It's strange the way certain things have a way of making you feel old. The idea that Kevin Maas must now be 40 years old makes me come down with the shakes.
Mick Doherty - Tuesday, February 14 2006 @ 10:56 PM EST (#141206) #
Four Seamer, shake away ... according to BBRef, Maas is 41.
Jim - Wednesday, February 15 2006 @ 10:18 AM EST (#141225) #
I can't get to the page at work but there is a Kevin Maas pyramid scheme you can find on the net if you poke around a bit. How the Baby Bomber has fallen.
zeppelinkm - Wednesday, February 15 2006 @ 06:54 PM EST (#141252) #
Not that I'm a steward of the english language by anymeans, I'd like to throw in my perspective.

And I'll throw this out there to be clear, I disagree with Oleg - but this is why. Yes, this is the internet. Yes, shortcuts are taken often when chatting via MSN or IRC or through email. However, this site, as has been stated, isn't just your regular message board. By asking people to at least review their posts, it will increase the quality and it will help prevent knee jerk reactions and stimulate conversation.

For me, the reason I think it's important to at least try your best as much as possible because it's important for maintaining the integrity of the english language. I know that might sound a bit ludicrous but think about it. If we continue to let things slide; "well, its only email, can jus type as few lttr's as posible to get points acros" then eventually those things will start to show up more and more often where they shouldn't - in written letters, in the workplace, in written questions in school. If people keep slacking or letting things slide "just because it's the internet, and this is the new form of communication" eventually that WILL translate over into places it shouldn't.

And finally, arguing over a simple request that you try your best to make your comment comprehensible, boiled down, is just silly.


My .02 cents!
VBF - Thursday, February 16 2006 @ 02:52 AM EST (#141267) #
This place might not be perfect, but I'm so glad it exists. I sunk to a new low today by posting on the Official Board and got into some unwarranted heated discussion about how Russ Adams is, well I can't say it.

I [heart] Batter's Box.
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