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The affiliates went 3-for-3 on the day but there were not many standout performances, aside from Marcus Walden pitching a one-hitter for five innings for Lansing.


Tucson 9 Las Vegas 8 (13 innings)

The Padres' triple-A squad's bullpen outlasted the 51s' squad despite some strong results from Danny Farquhar and Winston Abreu, who eventually took the loss. Kyle Drabek started the game and allowed four runs - but just one was earned - in 6.0 innings. He walked three batters and struck out six. Brett Lawrie was 2-for-4 with a triple, two walks, two RBI and two runs scored. He also made an error in the field. David Cooper went 2-for-6 with a double, a run scored and an RBI. Danny Perales and Manny Mayorson also had two hits a piece. Jayson Nix took the O-fer in six at-bats. He struck out twice.

Portland 11 New Hampshire 1

The offense appears to be in a bit of a late-July swoon as the club lost the four-game series with Boston's affiliate and came away with just one win. On Sunday, the offense managed just two hits - one by Moises Sierra and one by Mark Sobolewski, a solo home run. Michael McDade and Travis d'Arnaud were both 0-for-4. On the mound, Chad Jenkins wasn't overly sharp. He gave up four runs (three earned) in 5.0 innings. He walked three and struck out three. Matt Daly was tagged for five runs in one inning of work. Rey Gonzalez allowed two unearned runs in two innings.

Dunedin 6 Charlotte 5

The Baby Jays managed to come out on top of the battle of the bullpens in Florida. Aaron Loup took the win with 2.1 solid innings. Scott Gracey, normally a reliever, received the start and allowed three runs in as many innings. Recent roster filling pick-up, Harold Mozingo, also worked three innings and allowed two runs. Jon Talley led the offense with two hits, including a home run. Hits also came from Brian Van Kirk (of the pinch-hit variety), Kevin Nolan (who's been seeing time in the outfield lately, adding to his versatility), Brad Glenn, Kevin Ahrens, Ryan Goins, and Brad McElroy.

Lansing 6 Beloit 4

Marcus Walden had a solid outing by allowing just one hit over five innings. The right-hander walked two and struck out three batters. He induced seven ground-ball outs and just one managed to make it into the outfield. Shawn Griffith is going through a rough patch and he allowed four runs (three earned) in two-thirds of an inning. Dayton Marze worked 2.1 scoreless innings. Danny Barnes finished off the game with his ninth save. Oliver Dominiguez banged out three hits, while Gari Pena and Carlos Perez each had two. Perez slammed a three-run homer. Michael Crouse went 1-for-4 with a double and a walk. Markus Brisker, recently back from the DL, went 0-for-4, and both Marcus Knecht and K.C. Hobson were also held hitless.

Princeton 9 Bluefield 4

The Rays' affiliate educated starter Deivy Estrada, as he allowed three runs on five hits and two walks over four innings. Myles Duvall also got roughed up by allowing five runs on seven hits and a walk. Thomas Berryhill (recently picked up after getting released by the Braves organization) and Jon Lucas emerged from the game unscathed. On offense, Art Charles finally stepped into a pitch for his ninth homer after a long drought. He drove in three batters but also struck out twice. Matt Johnson, Chris Hawkins, Andy Fermin, and Gustavo Pierre each had a hit. Cody Bartlett had a rough day with an 0-for-4 line and three Ks.

Vancouver 5 Salem-Keizer 2

David Rollins gave up two runs in five innings. Philip Brua picked up the win with three scoreless innings of relief. Drew Permison recorded his eighth save. Jonathan Jones had two hits. Shane Opitz hit a double in four at-bats. Balbino Fuenmayor went 1-for-3 and drove in a run. Chris Schaeffer went 1-for-4 with a RBI. Jon Berti and Jones each stole a base.

GCL Jays - Off Day

DSL Jays - Off Day

Three Stars:
3. Philip Brua, three scoreless innings and a win
2. Carlos Perez, four RBI and a homer
1. Marcus Walden, one hit in 5.0 innings
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bpoz - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 10:34 AM EDT (#239184) #
Garis Pena is on a hot hitting streak. I am not sure how good a prospect he is. I hope he is a smart player, you know do things the right way. Jim Fanning was talking after R Alomar's speech about how Latins play 2B very acrobatically.
sam - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 11:02 AM EDT (#239186) #
There has been some talk about the infield situation at Lansing next year. There seems to me at least six "prospects" who will be vying for significant playing time. They are Joe Thon, Vega-Rosado, Gari Pena, Pierre, Optiz, and Sweeney.

For me what they do is give the vast majority of playing time at SS to Thon with Pena playing second base. They likely move Pierre to the outfield and have Optiz work in to SS and play third. Vega Rosado works in at Second and SS. Sweeney, due to injuries this year probably ends up with Vancouver.
bpoz - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 11:24 AM EDT (#239187) #
That sounds good Sam. ABs for everyone is a big consideration.
G Pena got his big opportunity when Pierre got demoted and is taking advantage, the Jays are getting a great evaluation opportunity with his full time playing.

Still the height ceiling of the players have to be considered. Pierre has potential super star status and so will most likely be handled in some kind of special way. He need a lot of work on both his hitting & fielding, and only success will build his confidence.
Lastly I don't see a lot higher up blocking your list of players.
Maldoff - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 11:54 AM EDT (#239188) #
Pena has piqued my interest as well. LugnutFan, or Marc, could you provide some color on Pena?
Gerry - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#239190) #

Pena is only 19 years old and he is an excellent defender.  Here are some pictures of Pena that I posted earlier this season.

Pena's bat has been better in July but he hits like a Dominican, one walk, 16 K's in July, and he has little power.  

Because Pena is only 19 he is doing well to be in the Midwest League.  If he can continue to hit, and develop some plate discipline, he could turn into a prospect.

sam - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 12:23 PM EDT (#239194) #
Has there been an official release from the club announcing that they've signed Osuna. Has Badler even reported that we've signed Osuna?
ayjackson - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 12:25 PM EDT (#239195) #
Musgrove, McGowan, Sanchez, Nolin, Alvarez and Litsch all hitting the hill today in the Minors.
DaveB - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 12:32 PM EDT (#239197) #
There has been some talk about the infield situation at Lansing next year. There seems to me at least six "prospects" who will be vying for significant playing time. They are Joe Thon, Vega-Rosado, Gari Pena, Pierre, Optiz, and Sweeney.

Add Jon Berti to that group as perhaps the most likely to start at 2B. I'd like to see Pierre play CF somewhere this winter.
Lylemcr - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 12:37 PM EDT (#239198) #

I have a couple questions:

1. Any reports on how the signing of draftees are going?

2. How many blown saves have there been this year?  If we would have saved 80% of those, what would our record be?

 

BTW, nice start by Cecil.  If rounds into shape with Morrow, and Romero, they could get interesting.  If we had a closer, we would have taken 2/3 from the red hot rangers.  We also could have took 3/4 from the Yankees.  But we don't....

 

dan gordon - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#239199) #

They were talking about blown saves on the broadcast a couple of days ago.  At that point (before Saturday's blown save), the Blue Jays had 16 blown saves in 14 games (twice they had 2 blown saves in 1 game).  In those 14 games, their record was 5 wins and 9 losses.  Add in Saturday's and they have 17 blown saves in 15 games, with a record of 5-10 in those 15 games.  Not sure how that compares with other teams, although I'd think it would be below average.  Of course, you have to consider the number of successful saves, as well.  You shouldn't just look at the blown ones and say, well we should have won a cetain percentage of those, without considering the successful saves, too.  If you redid things, maybe they wouldn't have succeeded on some of those.  The relevant stats would look at save percentages compared to other teams.  What is their record when leading after 7 innings or 8 innings compared to other teams, etc.   Again, I would think the Jays wold be below average in those departments.  A closer is a big need for this team.

 

AWeb - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 02:30 PM EDT (#239200) #

The Jays have had a few problems in the pen, but the annoying part is lately they have been wating until the end of the game to blow it. Blow it in the 7th and it's a blown save, but no one notices.  On the year, the Jays pen has been pretty average, with the main issue being that it has been used a lot due to the starters not being very good. fangraphs has a Shutdowns (SD) vs. Meltdowns (MD) stat they made, showing large changes in win probability for the pen. The Jays are at 84:40, which seems to be pretty middle of the road.  The issue remains that the bullpen is too often being asked to get 3-4 innings, and if one of the 3-4 guys fails, that's a blown save. But 3-4 innings of bullpen work should be expected to give up a run or two...

Mike Green - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 03:20 PM EDT (#239201) #
WPA is not a bad tool for measuring group bullpen performance. By this measure, the Jays' bullpen stands fourth in the league behind the Red Sox, Yankees and Indians, despite the absence of an ace. 

Watching Thames hit is a great pleasure.  The confidence as he enters the batters box.  The way he drives the outside pitch smartly to left-center, and turns on a hanger.  He's 24, and he is almost a finished hitter.   He sure makes a difference in the way the batting order works.
Lylemcr - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 04:51 PM EDT (#239203) #

Thames rocks. 

 

Alex Obal - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#239204) #
Interesting that the team that pitches in the easiest park has the worst bullpen WPA, and the team that pitches in the toughest park has the best...
92-93 - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 05:25 PM EDT (#239205) #
Luis Perez had a 21:0 K:BB ratio vs. LHB. I guess I didn't notice his LOOGYness because of the HRs served up to Utley & Hafner.
Ron - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 05:37 PM EDT (#239206) #
On the BS Report podcast, Keith Law said the Jays have the 2nd best farm system in baseball.  He said the system is full of number 2/3 starters and threw out the names Alvarez, Sanchez, Molina, Hutchison, and Nicolino.  He said if he was going to rank Drabek, he would drop him 20/30/40 spots due to his performance this season. He still thinks he has number 1 potential though. The Drabek talk was in the first 10 minutes and the Jays farm system was briefly discussed around the 51 minute mark.
TamRa - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#239207) #
On Pierre - it's been said for a while that he had or would grow out of SS and might move to 3B...seems like if that's the projection, and with this year's defensive struggles, why not go ahead and do one or the other next year?



TamRa - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 06:29 PM EDT (#239208) #
he would drop him 20/30/40 spots

I assume this means on his overall top 100 - not on the list of jays prospects...
Ron - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 08:31 PM EDT (#239212) #
I assume this means on his overall top 100 - not on the list of jays prospects...

Yes, Law was talking about a Top 100 and not a Jays only list.
Gerry - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 09:12 PM EDT (#239214) #
Dustin McGowan is making limited progress. He did start tonight and pitched three innings, his longest start of the year.

When McGowan went out on rehab I thought he was going to move his way up the system to AA and AAA and possibly be ready for August 1st when he needs to be activated.

My concerns are that:

1. McGowan is still in Dunedin

2. McGowan is only at 3 innings, his starts have not really been lengthened. His innings pitched over his last 5 starts are: 2; 2; 2.2; 2.1; and 3.

3. His time between starts has increased. McGowan has pitched on July 2; 6; 10; 15; 20; and 25. He has gone from a 4 day span to a 5 day span.

Obviously I hope Dustin does well but the signs are that this is going to take more time, rather than less.
Gerry - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#239215) #
Chad Beck has been moved up to Las Vegas as a complementary move to McGuire's move to AA.

I believe the Jays have to decide what to do with Beck this off-season. Beck was originally drafted by the Diamondbacks in 2006. This is his sixth season which I think means that the Jays have to add him to the 40 man roster or Beck will be a free agent.

Beck is 26 years old.
rtcaino - Monday, July 25 2011 @ 11:38 PM EDT (#239218) #

2. McGowan is only at 3 innings, his starts have not really been lengthened. His innings pitched over his last 5 starts are: 2; 2; 2.2; 2.1; and 3.

3. His time between starts has increased. McGowan has pitched on July 2; 6; 10; 15; 20; and 25. He has gone from a 4 day span to a 5 day span.


I'd be very happy if they kept McGowan at 4 innings or less for the rest of the year. Him and Villanueva could make a decent tandem starter combo. 
The_Game - Tuesday, July 26 2011 @ 12:41 AM EDT (#239221) #
Luis Perez had a 21:0 K:BB ratio vs. LHB. I guess I didn't notice his LOOGYness because of the HRs served up to Utley & Hafner.
And a 80.9 GB% against LHB. As far as LOOGYs go, he's been great. The Jays may have found their own version of Randy Choate.
TamRa - Tuesday, July 26 2011 @ 12:58 AM EDT (#239222) #
When McGowan went out on rehab I thought he was going to move his way up the system to AA and AAA and possibly be ready for August 1st when he needs to be activated.

My concerns are that:


1. McGowan is still in Dunedin


2. McGowan is only at 3 innings, his starts have not really been lengthened. His innings pitched over his last 5 starts are: 2; 2; 2.2; 2.1; and 3.


3. His time between starts has increased. McGowan has pitched on July 2; 6; 10; 15; 20; and 25. He has gone from a 4 day span to a 5 day span.


Obviously I hope Dustin does well but the signs are that this is going to take more time, rather than less.


The problem with us evaluating his progress is that there is no source (that I'm aware of) for pitch counts. it seems likely to me that the inning thing is shorthand and the true measure is they are monitoring his pitch count (and possibly even factoring in WHICH pitches are thrown how often.

Still, Farrell said they would do two starts at each incriment - which would be, in the last five: 2,2,3,3,4 - I'm comfortable with guessing the 2.1 and 2.2 were not 3 because of pitch count.

why tonight was 3 instead of 4 I'm not sure - but he's not desperately behind. i do had harbored a secret fantasy about him coming fairly quickly and being ready at the end of 30 days to at least go five but that was always a really long shot even in my dreams.

Reportedly, a 7 day DL stint gets him another 30 days. If (when) they do that, then you get a projected track of:

7/30 - 3 (technically there hasn't been a second "3") but a 2.2 is close enough one hopes and this one would be 4))
8/7 - 4
8/12 - 4
8/17 - 5
8/22 - 5 (needs to be at AA, Dunedin is off this day anyway)
8/27 - 6
9/1 - 6
9/6 - in Toronto surely, though who knows how he'd fit into a starting spot.

I myself would love to have seen him pitch in August as it might have been more reveling but i guess in his case caution is paramount. Still, you NEED to have a look this year so you know what to do about next year.

BalzacChieftain - Tuesday, July 26 2011 @ 09:43 AM EDT (#239238) #

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/sort/savePct/type/expanded/order/true

These are the SV% numbers for MLB. You can see Toronto at 54% in second last place. If the Jays had an 80% SV%, they'd have 9 or 10 additional wins...if they were league average (68%, seems low, no?), the Jays would have 5 extra wins.

Lylemcr - Tuesday, July 26 2011 @ 10:08 AM EDT (#239242) #

5 more wins would mean 56 wins, 7 GB (this doesn't count the fact that those wins could be against BostonNY)

9 more wins would mean 60 wins tied with Yankees.

I was thinking about this last night.  The fact that the Jays have used thier bullpen more than anyone else, tells me that the starters have not been good enough.  After Cecil's start, and Morrow starting to come on, I would conclude that the starting staff is starting to shore up.  If that happens, I think the bullpen might not be a stretched out and might have higher quality outings.  That is just a theory, but I am encouraged.

dan gordon - Tuesday, July 26 2011 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#239277) #

They wouldn't have 9 or 10 more wins with an 80% save %.  Blown saves aren't necessarily losses.  The analysis has to be a lot more complex than that.  As I indicated previously, they have 17 blown saves, but in 15 games, not 17 games.  Two games each had 2 blown saves.  Then you have to look at the team's record in the games they have a blown save.  The Jays record in those 15 games is 5-10, not 0-15.  If they successfully saved 80% of those 15 games, that would be 12 wins and 3 blown saves.  Say they also win 1 of the 3 games they blow the save and they would have 13 wins, or 8 more than the 5 they actually won.  But then you have to look at the games where they had a save opportunity and didn't blow the save.  Their W/L percentage in those games must be 100%.  If you make their save % in those games 80% as well (which you have to do if you are looking at an overall save % of 80%), you'd lose a few of those games that you won.  Looks like they are something like 19-0 in games where they don't blow a save, so if they blew 4 saves (roughly 80%) in those, and lost, say 3 of those 4,  that would be 3 more losses, meaning the net impact if they had an 80% save % would be roughly 8-3 = 5 more wins.

Still, it's an area where a major improvement can be made to the team's record.  It would be difficult to get into the post season with the status quo at the back end of the bullpen, and I suspect a disaster waiting to happen in the post season if they managed to get there.

dan gordon - Tuesday, July 26 2011 @ 02:40 PM EDT (#239278) #
Of course, I meant to say roughly 80% SUCCESS when mentioning the 4 blown saves in 19 games.
Matthew E - Tuesday, July 26 2011 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#239281) #
But you also have to think about this: if the Jays had a real closer, then the starters and hitters would have more confidence that the game could be put away safely, and the starters could go longer and the hitters would produce more runs. So you have to add another few wins because of that.

...Nah, I'm kidding.

bpoz - Wednesday, July 27 2011 @ 10:38 AM EDT (#239337) #
The bullpen theory of AA as I have heard him say is 7 good options. No M Rivera so far. FF, Rauch, Fraser, Dotel, Camp & maybe Janssen have the good records & reputations prior to 2011. So on paper that is a good & deep staff built by AA. Counting Zep as #7 is Ok, your # 7 guy should not harm the pen.

For me I lost confidence in FF & Rauch, to be blunt I expected them to blow the save. I admit that is my gut speaking and will accept that I am wrong in that evaluation.
Farrell said he spoke to the pen to outline each ones roles. So if Camp,Janssen,Carlos V & Zep are #5-8, then the other 4 are the closer/setup guys. I believe there are flaws in that slotting of roles, for example 1st year Jays FF, Rauch & Dotel are not AL East warriors. They earned their reputations in an easier environment.

There are other considerations as well... home park & team defense. The one I don't like and I strongly feel could be a long term problem is the crucial situations being given to 1 inning setup/closer veterans. If failing they may complain if given a lesser role and would still be limited to 1IP.
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