The Blue Jays have a lot of players who could have made the back end of the top 30 list. It was hard to pick who should be in the 27 to 30 range and who just missed. I mentioned at the start that eleven players were dropped from the top 30. They are Adam Kloffenstein, Manuel Beltre, Miguel Hiraldo, Rikelbin De Castro, Victor Mesia, Chad Dallas, Joey Murray, Eric Pardinho, Chavez Young, Luis Quinones and Trent Palmer. Some of the pitchers dropped off due to injuries, they have a chance to rebound. There are a number of international signees on this list who didn't progress in 2022 but many of them are still young and will be hoping for a rebound in 2023.

On to the top 10.

The middle 10 of our top 30 prospects have a lot of players who have been in the system for a few years and whose prospect status is now on the bubble. Six of them have reached AA and four have reached Vancouver so their time to put up or show up is now.

Welcome to the Blue Jays top 30 list for another year. There has been a lot of turnover from last year to this year's list. There are just 12 players who are repeating on the list. Seven players were traded, Gabriel Moreno, Gunnar Hoglund, Kevin Smith, Zach Logue, Jordan Groshans, Samad Taylor and Josh Palacios. That means eleven players were dropped. That is a lot of poor performances. Hope remains for many of those who have been dropped, they just need to find something in their game, just like Davis Schneider did this year. Speaking of Davis Schneider.....

It's time for a new thread, and I have some trivia! I saw it on Twitter! It's got to be true!

More than 200 comments? It's definitely time.

Finally has happened - via Jeff Passan of ESPN.

Well, the last one is getting long and time to focus on what else the Jays need as we head into Christmas.

The winter meetings thread is getting long so lets start a new one with the news that the Jays are adding Kevin Kiermaier. The terms are not yet available.

The winter meetings are underway in San Diego. The off-season has been relatively quiet so far. It is uncertain whether there will be deals at the winter meetings or just a lot of discussion.

We just saw Gaylord Perry pass away, one of many guys who thrived in the era of no pitch limits. When guys could throw 300 IP in 5 of 6 years (Perry did it ages 30-36 with 'just' 280 one year) and had 6 more 200 IP seasons left in his arm after that (!!). I could go antidotal on it but I prefer raw data.

There was much more to him than the spitball.

Over the years the Jays have had a few GM's and each did drafts and signed undrafted free agents. So how did each do?

My favourite birthday team belongs to those born on November 26.  There were no slam-dunk Hall of Famers born today, just a large number of very good players.  I have commented on this team before, maybe 5-10 years ago, but there have been some recent significant additions to round out the club.  First, here's the pool of players to choose from.  You can sort them by WAR to get a general flavour of what we are talking about. 

And here's the new Hall of Fame ballot...